Transcripts For RT The Alex Salmond Show 20240712

Floyd that western european civilization is not a meritorious one debra from durban said no maybe it was a method to us but it is what it is every event in history was progress in the previous event every generation has its own tilt to tell and progress step to take at the same time looking back at history and remembering and making if for the leap of progress every person who has and ever will live on this planet has a purpose in life for good or bad tire from helsinki says i dont need the statues of racist to get educated history is what we need to learn getting from namibia says i dont see any point in taking down slave master statues i think the best option is to keep history and let the current generation change their hearts nancy says this is all part of history destroying them wont change anything it would be a great History Lesson to others never to let these things happen again. Stewart says its nothing short of vandalism for what ever the reason and finally brenda says i think the statue should stay the out of mind to of what has been what will be next burning then these patches and street names educate people and either ignored by people or they can in like book lets not brush a history under the rug bettering your faith and not i think when rush generation describes a group of people largely from the caribbean who came to the the u. K. Between the late fortys and the early 1970 s. As part of the large immigration that took place for people to take up jobs often in the National Health service or other industries which were suffering from a postwar label shortage in britain the name wondrous comes from the the ship the chante empire when rush which brought the the 1st group of people from the caribbean countries to the u. K. In 1948 as many of the caribbean countries with that same part of the commonwealth and the people who came across were automatically british subjects of entitled therefore the 11 to work pamela lee in the u. K. If they saw the worst among those coming across the 1948 was geoff palmers mother and 7 years later at 14 years 11 months old Godfrey Parma arrived in the u. K. To join his mum and ill take up that story worth professor of suggests power who joins me from his home in panic. Welcome to the salmon show thank you very much for inviting me to starve us to giving your mother came to london fortis as part of was no no this the Windrush Generation was your mom actually on the empire when rush or did she come and another boat from jamaica you know she wasnt on the where she she was on the mauritania and all the canard line ship. At that time that was transporting people ended in i so i came on the us gania and that was some years later youre 14 when you arrived to join your mother yes i came well i arrived at liverpool in 1955 and when i got to london i was 14 years and 11 months and one month has been very significant to my life because when i arrived. And my mother tried to take me to work the next morning after travelling 5000 miles no idea that i was coming to join or to work and she was taking me to work and a man the door stopped us and said to my mom where are you going and she said were going to work and the man said you can go to work but your son come because hes only 14 years and 11 months and he has to go to school because you leave school in england at 16 in those days so my mum begged and pleaded. That she needed me to work to get her money to help her and she spent 86 pounds to bring me here and the man said i dont make the rules hes got to go to school who are mugged and thus she had to take me to school. So that was our lucky intervention from your point of view given what happened later of my mom took me to the local comprehensive school in london north london and they rejected me they gave me a little note saying i was as a then that means i was still later educationally subnormal so she had to take me to the secondary modern school i played cricket the games master saw me took me to a trial and the next day told me i was playing for london schoolboys cricket team. And i played for london and the local Grammar School headmaster hybrid county mr king saw the report that are secondary modern schoolboy was playing for london and my mother under school whether they would transfer me to hybrid country so right so i got into Grammar School because of my cricket and you were having your your own educational struggles at the time and and finding him quite difficult to establish yourself through school and and university tell us about the obstacles you encounter the process i arrived at Less University in 1961 to do an honest agree. And 964 i got an honest agree importantly i went back to london i i went to the Labor Exchange they gave me 2 jobs one in a betting shop and the other one to people take those so i thought peeling potatoes was close enough to botany so i took that. And i peeled potatoes from q 11964 until my famous interview. In december 1964 tell us about that interview jeff and 964 tell us exactly what happened there. Spilling potato is as i say that i was promoted to fish cook so they the company had great hopes of me staying but i saw an ad for a Research Degree in most of the grease. And i applied for and i went to the interview it was a Reading University and there was a panel. And not seen a panel like that because i recognized the man sitting just today i think to the right and. As soon as i walked in and sat down this started and he just said to me young man why dont you go back to a you come from a Group Anonymous and i was taken aback by this and the professor. To his right to is hitting the interview look and said Something Like you know come come and i just responded by saying its difficult to grow bananas in hiring a. And of course i didnt get the joke. But i saw another ad for. And on and that advert was for a ph d. In. The harriet what university i did my research in bali we changed the concept of how the grain groom how the grain digested itself and that laid the research or Scientific Foundation for my Research Later on in the industry. The gentleman suggested going bananas. Was a famous politician of the day was not yet it was it was a case joseph and the fact is that ive been saying this since 1964 when it happened newspapers have carried it why that interview was so important to me and the statement it wasnt because i was concerned about it being racial no i was not what i was concerned about was that somebody was threatening my sense of belonging i had developed a sense of belonging. When i arrived in liverpool i took it to paddington to be my mom i realise the sense of belonging was important in terms of me dealing with racism and therefore my sense of belonging was being challenged. And thats why i responded in that way and since that time ive taught students like given Many Community lectures and i and i stress to young people that your sense of belonging is critical because thats what the races go for the develop the barley abrasion process chemistry. I know its important but im not very self to what exactly is when i went to work at the Brain Research foundation. For the brewing industry and the money was provided is primarily by the growing interest. And i said you know if the branded and any child can see the brand covers the whole grain. Of the brand is digesting the grain we should stimulate the brand as quickly as possible and thats exactly what we did. Of course that breakthrough and the other parts of your your research probably not more pennies of more papers than any transfer of the stack of in history and the stock to the new giving them the station of the yes p. C. Of war the Nobel Laureates of the of the brewing industry what these create the stench ans in life. How did that how did that rule wait for europe in terms of your conversations were we people when the the realize the eminence of the professor of america. And had it War University i just feel that my mom when she came up to scotland to for me to get my doctor a science degree which is a Research Degree you have to submit all your publications and she came up and when she went back to london and friends we said you know mr ivy how is your son doing in scotland and she said well east illit school and she said it is not really doing anything its just gods vehicle so again. I see myself a star but im so grateful to the americans gave me this is b. C. Award. And when i got it i was only the 4th person and i was the only european who took tribe it at that time so it was a quite an accolade and i appreciated it very much. Joined the soft of the blade where we continue our discussion look professor of so jeff will be told not i and to cover controversies and get jeffs opinion on what should be done join us then. We go to work so you straight home. The one guy appear he was a may found him literally dead like this standing up to a guy over here his girlfriend they were found in their apartment that they just got. Cut all up and they were dead for like 3 days holding each other this wall so people who have lost their lives early to addition yeah this is from akron. That crown is better known as the meth capital in ohio its a city where the number of drug addicts keeps growing every year. I came across 14 in my whole family were drug addicts. Throughout much of the 1990 s. And beyond and the doctors were incursion in some cases incentivized to overprescribe. I mean that enough to sedate a small country when i you shall soon hear about people by all that said good stuff man we gotta go get dad dad got crazy did you might you know what are you doing. In there succumbing you know one after the next. Just. Welcome back ive been called to say slip fassel subject professor emeritus. Tell it what university and human rights activists jeff on the current controversies of black lives matter i mean you in your years of campaigning will have seen the a number of waves of protests sets in for equality in your estimation is this latest subs following the death in america of george floyd is this Something Different about this latest wave of protest. But yes i think it is something very different. The fact is that i call the death of george floyd i call it a crucifixion and the policeman thats the lord showed the world there was something very very wrong. And to me it is not murder because nobody has been tried but i see it as a crucifixion of a race which started with that definition which said that black peter are inferior to white people and we cant get on from generation to generation and we cannot pass it on to another generation to pass it on again something must be done one of the consequences of the assumptions of the black lives Matter Movement has been the toppling of staff to so for People Associated with racism all over the planet but you yourself as our long term campaigner on these issues have a slightly different attitude than many in terms of what should be done about such statues why yes i i dont long term view that if he was d a stud shoes like cars the stately homes which were built from slave money like the gallery or the well thats a slave Masters House you know the necropolis is was built by a slave owner. You know in a timber we have street names you know like the 4th street and rodney street all associated with slavery. You know half the new town some of the buildings are from slavery and therefore i feel ive always felt that we should be putting up tracks we should have narrative all narratives narratives all these blacks to say. You know this person is building and this street was named after x. Y. And said and they had this role in slavery and it must be accurate we dont i dont want them down out of sight out of mind. Remove the evidence remove the deed they must state with narratives on them where we can use them as part of our education in schools and in the community in general and thats why i feel weve taken down 2 statues the 3rd statue should be racism and we should not move beyond the 3rd statute should be racism because it has damaged and killed enough people. Its less a huge opportunity for the Education System both to reintroduce the areas of of scottish political thought that have been the elected light of the radical tradition to confront scotlands own history as part of the imperial project and the beneficiaries of the vast wealth often built on slave or servitude well yes i think the whole thing should be taught you know servitude of of miners and soldiers you know where they were treated so badly that they could change their jobs without permission and i think that should be taught and for example why i believe that this teach gene is so important i was in penny cook a few years ago this is where i lived ive lived here since 97. And i was walking in the middle and 2 little boys saw me and one of them looked at me and pointed and he said theres an n word man and his brother slapped him on the hit and said its rude to point and therefore that little boy was taught that you shouldnt point at an adult you know an oldish adult but he was not taught to say i should not be called that name and therefore weve got to teach children. What that name is about what it relates to. And they will have a better understanding that im not just an inward man so your campaign for a new inscription im done does start she has met with success you are encouraged by the the momentum others grown in the movement around the world you also involve them vising blast the university about how to confront and make reparations for the fact that so many of. Its benefactors had a role in the the slave trade were you satisfied Glasgow University responded to the advice they were given of salute late. You know i was just a sort of an advisor but the university did its own research and again they should be a model for all other institutions to follow in fact what they did was they looked at the history look at their records and published a report. To say yes we received about 200000000 in legacies from slavery university i remember that university has been around before columbus went to the new world and therefore d we have a university putting his hand up and said yes we were involved and they produced a plan which i had the great honor unveiling and on the track it says the university benefited from the suffering of enslaved people i feel that glasgow. Is like a 1st light and i think that other institutions some of them a lot following our school but to me that shows what honesty can do it produces respect. And your professorship for when it came in maine 989. 00 i think and youre still given the aca leaders as scotlands fast black professor but even those who only less than one percent of professorship around the universities of the United Kingdom. Would identify themselves as blind as an extraordinary comments on the air which obviously emphasizes your own breakthrough but extraordinary comment on the distance still to travel in the equality of opportunity we dont have enough representation and peoples attitudes are also based on representation i tell to that quick story it was one i was in edinburgh last year to give a lecture and all the attendant at the door said what do you want to i said a couple lectures he said or what. And i said or 2 oclock and he just looked at me and say you cant be given a lecture or 2 oclock because that lecture is being given by professor suggest comma and the other one was when i went to another institution i went to another institution and the chap said do you know anybody in there because i wanted some help with my phone to charge it and eat i think yeah i used to know the previous boss and. He said the previous boss were you chauffeur so we still have that those perceptions of people. Recognition and the honors flowed you became a a knight of the realm of an o. B. E. And a freeman of middle o. There and im anxious to know this is freeman ship of mad lovin. Entitle you to anything in addition to a free bus pass to get into the buildings for nothing of any great advantage in this financial and are you in good company yes i i was still i was in good company because the previous. Frame it was was Nelson Mandela so you know its a great act to follow. If we look back at our history middles it was the seat of had returned. The politician who gradually abolished the slave trade the benefits of the slave so they could replace their slaves with a slave died at a young age. And this is the seat and he must be turning in his grave to realize one of the people who may have transported you know who he may have transported is now the freeman of melodia which he was m. P. And finally suggest farmer people have good reason to toast your Health Drinking a pint of beer because of your achievements in brewing when you serve a life of campaigning what else would you like people to remember when toasting your health. Again or perhaps some other more local more scottish concoction. Well again you know you know the greatest. Sort of reward for me and i so i dont really need. It any more than this cause this is so wonderful when ever i go into a supermarket. And i walk alone. The shelves and i see all the brands of beer and whiskey and i dont know which one of my children 1. Is involved with every brand that i see there because i. And therefore thats reward enough because i walk along those shelves and i smile. Because i feel ive made some contribution not only to their lives but also to an industry that has been very good to me i will be important for scotland to understand the small achievement of scotlands 1st professor well yes in a sense yeah the fact is that you know when im walking about i dont see myself as a scholar professor but that is the truth and you know i for example. When i came to scotland the university was threatened with the closure of the Brewing Department you know in the eightys and i i panicked because i just i wouldnt get i wouldnt i didnt think id get another job and i went to the distilling industry and a wonderful man there mr on him are to listen to my story what lunch to and i said ronnie that i think theyre going to close the drawing and he said what this is scotland we need a growing school its always been there and he said leave it to me and it because a long story short he came back to me a few weeks after that and he said geoffrey i got you a 1000000 pounds from the distilling industry and the brewers came in with 400000 diet built the International Center for growing and distil stelling the International Center for brewing and distilling at the eric what university it is there now and its got students from all over the world being taught growing and distilling as a science and thats why our students are so good at what they do because they know what theyre doing professor jeff palmer thank you so much for joining me on the ill examine show thank you thank you alex but jeff palmer became a professor in 1809 he was scotlands 1st of a black professor though even today less than one percent of all the professors in all the universities of the u. K. Identify as black jeff promise career is a mind of just how much the United Kingdom all is to the contribution of the wind russ generation and how shabbily they were treated in return jeff promised views were once a gobby this challenging controversial is still remind us of the leap of the imagination that we required to make to achieve genuine racial equality. But the stood the test of time off caught the mood of the moment and so from this regard myself and all of the shoulders good bye for now stay safe and well see you again next week. Secret prisons are not usually what comes to mind when thinking about europe however even the most prosperous can be deceived within this 0 song there were 2 view houses were our prison was located and the only people have access to the story for investigators sure hell they uncovered the darkest dealings of the secret services but i mean. You grated nor. A sword for. Crying for justice. Thousands of american men and women choose to serve in a countrys military a decision that has shattered lives every function to. Be instructive here you know all the shot are what they kill me and i see how it destroyed my life any screamed at me and he made me come in my arms and he write me this berthing if you take into account that women dont report because of the extreme retaliation its probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the us military is a very very traumatizing have happened but ive never seen trauma like. Women who are veterans who. Military sexual trauma reporting rape is more likely to get the victim punished to be a friend and almost 10 year career which i was very invested in and i gave that up to report a sex offender who was not even put to justice or put on the registry this is simply an issue of our in violence male sexual predators for the large part of target whoever is there to prey upon whether thats men or women. Welcoming our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is r. T. U. K. The World Health Organization warns the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come well hear from a w. H. O. Spokesperson. Scottish 1st minister Nicola Sturgeon and u. K. Prime minister Boris Johnson are at war over the possibility that scotland couldnt force quarantine rules on those entering from the rest of the u. K. And of course 5 nation independence intensify in the u. K. With support for scottish welsh and even english movements on the rise but one former 1st minister of scotland believes the appetite simply isnt there and ill be talking to him. Germany reveals its helping the u. K. Develop its much maligned coronavirus Contact Tracing out after months of trials and tribulations the privacy concerns remain we hear from a former and i 5 officer. Of the World Health Organization has warned that the worst of the 19 pandemic could be yet to come head to the w. H. O. Claims the crisis was actually intensifying and criticised the u. K. s a response well the organization has praised Germany China and several other countries east asia for developing the blueprint on how to cope outbreak successfully this includes robust Contact Tracing by local Health Officials and delegating long down powers to regional leaders however the u. K. Has been criticized for its top down approach to the pandemic and lifting its lock down too soon but the w. H. O. Director general said its never too late for countries to use all available tools flare ups are to be expected as country start to lift restrictions. But countries that have the systems in place to are a comprehensive approach should be able to contain this flare ups locally and void introducing widespread restrictions however we are concerned that some countries have not used all the tools at their disposal and have taken a fragmented approach these countries face a long hard road ahead. But one of the lessons of the punditry give that normal to want situation a country is in it can be turned around. Well im now joined by World Health Organization spokesperson dr Margaret Harris dr harris thank you for talking to us again i mean this is dire isnt it on a global scale were still not through the worst our way. Could actually kate is that thats the point my director general was making with intense outbreaks going on in most continents of the world in the United States in latin america weve got a number of countries facing enormous outbreaks but weve was a very large outbreaks in india in pakistan and also in africa or in south africa so all around the world every continent is faced with a large amount of virus and a very large threat for everything the w. H. O. Recommends like robust tested trace regional delegation the u. K. Seems to be doing the exact opposite. Each country is doing the extent for me and i dont think i would put it is generally as that what is important and what we are seeing is really getting the testing in place really sorting out how to trace people how to find older people whove been in contact with somebody whos confirmed to have the case how to ensure you can care for those who get most sick and thats more than simply all therapy is thats a community as well and thats making sure that the community really understands this is a gnat hands its in everyones hands well england is opening pubs and restaurants this weekend dub Super Saturday is that really wise. So all countries are trying to open but this is the moment when people its understandable people want to go out and spend some time away from their homes but spend save time so if youre going to go out and spend some time with other people still keep a measurable more distant but also in show you make sure your hands are clean do not put your hands and youll mouth nose or eyes and really really keep the distance from other people because if you look closer than a meter there is a good chance that even somebody who looks healthy even somebody who feels healthy who does not know that theyve contracted the virus may be in the early stages so no is the time to really take it you dont want to go backwards all the scientists on the u. K. Governments are an Advisory Committee reportedly wanted a sector by sector approach is that the right way. Every country does do it differently and thats exactly why you have this important by a string groups to work out what people will do sensibly and ensure that people understand what they need to do to be safe we do seem to have countries the u. K. And also the u. S. Theyre racing to open up what could be argued at all costs. So i think theres sometimes people are thinking. That the health of the economy the 2 go hand in hand you know if youre not healthy if youre sick you cant own you cant work so youve lost your financial means on the on that if you dont have a job you may become ill through lack of activity or lack of money so weve got to do the 2 together but the key word is be safe we know what stops this the social distancing the hand washing the ensuring nothing at your mouth nose our eyes these things work these things have worked in other countries and that message must be having a home everything we do with are we open close what we do we must ensure that those things happen all the time talking of other countries why do you think the u. K. Has struggled with testing and tracing when other countries have been much more successful. So this has been variable and certainly we did so very very early on im sure you remember my director general saying test test test but in countries that dont have a lot of experience of large Infectious Disease outbreaks quite often just to start the people the systems werent necessarily in place in countries that have got so advance medical care usually the health needs were in hospital so there was a lot of reposing a lot of rethinking to do with story in east asia countries move much more quickly they experienced and most they knew what a virus like this could do was the u. K. Complacent though many did dismiss the w. H. O. As test test test advice early on as for other countries not here. A lot of countries did not see it as the as the high priority at that time and that is why we kept on saying do it please do it because we do know that this works and we have seen countries where its worked where theyre going in aggressively and quite often the leaders of those countries were ridiculed for for being over overcautious and over reactive but they have shown that their populations can be protected in terms of regional lockdowns or in Central Government has been criticized for not sharing key data and yet it seems that delegation is key. So the only information delegation and making decisions based on best advice is the way to go and there has been tensions between the home nations as well about when to lift did westminster put politics before pragmatism. I couldnt really tell you that but thats really a question full the coldest political experts i met im a Health Expert what we do say is most important is that the community listens to and the everything we do is done and punish it with the Community Find it out to her to come to schools i mean weve got the government scrapping social distancing entirely and yet the w. H. O. Ones want me to is the minimum. Thats correct and im sure theyre not scrapping social distancing because Everybody Knows that that keeping separate keeping people separately but if you are in a circumstance where such as in public transport you cannot keep the major part you must take on the proportion of precautions and thats why the advice is to use face coverings or if and again you cannot be separate make sure its more than simply social distancing that you get the environment absolutely pristine you keep your hands of solidity clean and as i said before no touching of the mouth nose and innocent social distancing is if i start to moderate harris thank you very much indeed. Its a pleasure it was a pleasure to read. Now scotlands 1st minister and the u. K. Prime minister have clashed over the possibility of implementing quarantine in scotland for those from the rest of the u. K. Thats as a cluster of coronavirus cases have appeared along the border between england and scotland were on this r t u k shadi it just joins me shut do you think you see it theres a war of words between Boris Johnson and nicolas sturgeon brewing is the absolutely the Prime Minister Boris Johnson and scottish 1st minister Nicola Sturgeon are embroiled in yet another heated row all over a constitutional debate over a quarantine ing in scotland it comes after this route was ignited whereas there was talk that scotland may i ask visitors crossing the border into the country to self isolate for 14 days now when questioned this week nicholas sturgeon didnt flat out deny it nor did she rule it out but said any decision like that would be based on the science and medical advice well during Prime Ministers questions Boris Johnson hit back at nicholas sturgeon saying it was quite frankly absurd to have a policy on the border because in his opinion there is the border between england and scotland. Aside from the suggestion not think its going to. Be no such discussions. With the scottish ministration about it but i would point drunk to my own from what he knows very well there is no such thing as a border. So that our us johnson using some quite laughing language there in the house of commons but of course the policy is off the u. K. And the devolved nations stepha and many ways throughout the entirety of the lock down we know the devolved nations have long gone their own separate ways and handling and dealing with this pandemic nicholas statue and quite often being one step ahead of downing street particularly when it comes to thai to have a structure of the lockdown so today may not come as much of a surprise having said that nicholas sturgeon really believes the Prime Minister is trying to politicize a scientific question. The really very 2 Public Health challenges that were dealing with right now from the absurd and ridiculous political statements that i am you know understandably be nice to respond to a Prime Minister secretary of state in a government sense is dealing with the same issues i am right now to try to politicize these things is shameful and is unacceptable the governor of new york today and you can find this on twitter has put out information about the states in america from which people going into new york will be caught in 114 days no i dont think the governor of new york has been political or constitutional there hes just looking at a situation where transmission in new york has been driven in and other states its much higher so hes trying to protect the people he saves from being exposed to further spread of a vitus. Well nicholas stations opinions have split opinion across the country some people find it divisive because imagine if we were to see Police Patrolling the borders that potentially could cause a political earthquake and that certainly the thinking of jacob riis mark who has gone maybe a step too far in likening the 1st measure of scotland to donald trump and i bow to school. Shoes dont have a war she is more than her so what are the leading political figures between england and scotland because my rudra from the Prime Minister said there is no border between england and scotland and it was protocol for a border of the tribal kind to be erected stop people travelling freely between the constituent parts of the United Kingdom one little fool that weve lost a lot of model herself on american political figures and want to build a wall meanwhile a cluster of the corona virus cases have emerged on the border of scotland and northwest england theres been an outbreak in dumfries and gallery galloway 99. 00 cases around gretna and last time there were any positive cases was on june the 22nd and the cases are said to be connected so now across border Incident Management Team has been created to deal with this because the complexity of around all of this is that some testing will be happening in england and some testing will be happening happening in scotland so there the needs to be across the board Management Team really now of course all of this comes as Boris Johnson has said that the u. K. Is not quite of the words out of the woods just yet when it comes to the corona virus crisis even though england is preparing to reopen the doors to pubs and restaurants as of this weekend many though quite fearful that that could trigger a 2nd wave and certainly thats potentially why nicholas sturgeon is going out of the words but slightly more trepidation than her english counterpart how do you thank you very much indeed. Well this comes as there appears to be a growing appetite for independence on all sides of the political divide and among all the home nations one survey has revealed that support for english independence is increasing for those traditionally in favor of the union well a you gov poll on behalf of welsh independence campaigners found that nearly half of conservative Party Supporters in england are in favor of an independent england and the end of the United Kingdom among the general population of england 35 percent also support english independence well a survey also found that people over the age of 65. 00 were most likely to support an independent england but it comes after a Senior Member of the Scottish National party claimed scotland could withdraw from the u. K. Institutions like the Westminster Parliament if the Prime Minister continues to reject calls for a 2nd independence referendum the m. P. For perth heat wish not said such a will draw would allow scotland to hold an independence referendum without the u. K. s permission but johnson has consistently ruled out granting another vote after scotland voted 55 percent to 45 percent to remain in 2014 but while labor leader secure starmer has also oppose such a vote some labor grandees think thats a mistake. One of those is labors a former 1st minister of scotland Henry Mcleish and he joins me now henry good to talk to you the labor position is similar to the conservatives on a 2nd vote do you disagree. You know its not about of disagreeing kid s. S. Where there is a window of opportunity between now and the elections and 2021 for labor to rethink its corries policy it doesnt have to support independence and indeed there is no great enthusiasm in scotland for independence clearly the vote has risen but if you look over that the 45 percent result into 14 and if you look at the last 20 years the last 13 years of course theres been a move towards independence but a lot of scots are not inspired or indeed i warmed by the fact of leaving the union that say school labor partys got to stop being so negative you know if you want to oppose and direct to it thats fine i dont believe theres going to be a vote anyway in the next 4 or 5 years but to do so all the time looks negative its not a policy its not a vision its not a strategy is just negative my it was to try to get the party to reinvent itself not to get principles or values their sound but to accept that scotland is a very different place from what it was in 1997 and what we need instead is an alternative let scots have a real choice yes the labor party should fall into the trap of the s. N. P. Because they have hockey for us for cuba in direct to where they have Something Like the us i have to say as the s. N. P. Control scotland by in holyrood and westminster another referendum would surely go there why wouldnt it. We dont know because if you look at the opinion polls since 2014 nearly 120 of them i think only on one or 2 occasions have we got more than 50 percent who are independent now that doesnt mean to say that independence cant happen in the future and indeed the antics of Boris Johnson may help that on its way but it is a reality to save 50 to 55 percent of scots have not yet been convinced that independence is the way forward now this is the window of opportunity for the labor party to reinvent itself to move forward have more scottishness have more independence of thought but the important point kate is that cant happen in a vacuum if the union if westminster if the conservative government continue to play the games that theyre playing that will only help a lot of scots who are not fundamentalists to move towards independence so basically the union has to change its bill James Carville point about the economy stupid it is the union stupid unless the Union Changes over the next 2 or 3 years embrace isnt definitely true towards the 4 nations that make it up and quite frankly the union is imperiled gotten brown has said it so its the optics of the union that are important but for those 2014 and for sort of the 2021 labor has an opportunity sorry that when you break up a little bit that can i just come in with the powers that in the meantime theyve increased since you were in the top job so that we could be on the way to a more federal u. K. Anyway. Absolutely this to me is a solution because theres no reason why scots cant be closer to the Single Market to the Customs Union to the scandinavian countries have more internationalism more perilous over employment more votes or welfare my plan is that the Scottish Parliament should be the platform for positive change more on vision more assertiveness and it seems to me that by doing that you get the support of the scottish people that will be a different much of the johnson then to try and push this by because hes not interested in form. Politics hes a diehard you know this but i believe the platform of the parliament is the best way to go and it will see a modern scotland confident scotland father develop that i think was the aim of evolution in the 1st place and lets be honest about the time demick we can see in england with not just the mayors with gates said menace a lot of english people a lot of english regions a lot of english local authorities would like more decentralization evolution so id like to say that this will be the change that lies ahead and have a place like you very much indeed for joining us thank you. Still to come the sound. Germany has revealed its helping the u. K. Develop a coronavirus Contact Tracing out after months of delays for the British Technology we hear from the home of a lifetime officer. Ah no team no crowd. No shots. Actually just belts because. Well its true no 1st. Points your thirst for action. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation or community. Are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere. Direct. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or a made in the shallowness. Welcome back to we have some breaking news this hour british socialite Elaine Maxwell has been arrested by the f. B. I. In New Hampshire and will appear in court later on thursday the daughter of disgraced media mogul Robert Maxwell has been accused of procuring underage girls but convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein maxwell was arrested on a morning after being charged in a 6 count indictment including transporting a minor to engage in Sexual Activity at sea was arrested last year on sex trafficking charges but died in his jail cell while awaiting trial. Now germany has revealed its helping the u. K. Develop a coronavirus Contact Tracing out after months of delays you to and false starts germany is that fuses apple and Google Technology and has been downloaded over 14000000. 00 times since its launch in mid june its reportedly been successful while the u. K. s app is believed to be months away from being operational and just cost 11000000 pounds so far germanys ambassador to the u. K. Address mckayla said theyd be happy to share their technology we spent 20000000 more minutes it works and if this can help the u. K. Wed be very. Well that says the opposition lashed out at the u. K. Government for its failure to get the promised world beating track and trace out operational in time labor leader secure starmer said that without the app the system simply wasnt working as it should. Its nationwide lifting of prescriptions this week and without a map without clear data from local authorities or the world beating system we were promised last week i pointed out to the Prime Minister that 2 thirds of people with covert 19 are not big breeched and asked to provide their Contact Details the Prime Minister typically said it was always stunning success the updated figures now show that things have got worse be a test to track and trace the operation is actually reaching a huge numbers of people and causing them to so far isolate in ways i dont think he conceivably could have expected a month ago well in early may the government announced it was making its own centralised track and trace out that language privacy activists who back to d. C. Centralized model with data held on individual phones germany had to assemble a centralized plan a month earlier but the u. K. Still plowed ahead but it soon became clear the u. K. s own mid may deadline wouldnt be met the government finally trial the technology on the isle of wight just off the english south coast but the results are still inconclusive by may the 27th the track and trace system was launched but with no app in sight and in late june the Health Secretary announced a huge said to a d. Centralised apple and google version of the app even said that had that he even said that had always been part of the plan despite denials from the tech giants themselves well meanwhile Northern Ireland has announced plans to part of the republic of ireland which would put the devolved nation ahead of the rest of the u. K. Report crimes islands up could be ready within days and would involve the sharing of information on both sides of the border of foreign a listener job by former m i 5 Intelligence Officer an emotional and we thank you for joining us on the government needs to get this up up and running doesnt it to beat the virus. Well it said it wanted to but then governments never let a good crisis go to go to waste do they and this is a wonderful opportunity for the government to do a days grab to find out what were all doing who we are where we are who were talking to what we were thinking our contacts are just lists our employment even. And theres been a lot of evidence thats been juiced that in fact what theyre trying to do has no legal transparency even the 1st they try to bring out in the isle of wight was not put out with the usual tendering which is legally required to companies that met and made 11000000 pounds so for them to then say oh lets use another system thats been developed by a huge country is really just fundamentally wrong because of course you know were looking at direct it to where we are going to be out of the e. U. By a genuine next year where we will no longer necessarily be bound under the terms of the g. D. P. Our german Data Protection regulations and this also impacts on what is going on in ireland because if southern ireland is still bound by those terms and Northern Ireland as part of the u. K. Is no longer bound by those terms how is a jointly produced going to be effective how will that data be meaningfully protected and how also could they use this app to keep a watch on us how do they do it. Well we already know from various whistleblowers and not least Edward Snowden 6 years ago 7 years ago now that actually the corporate in the state. So the Big International media corporations like google that. Have at least dogs that the National State agencies the spies can use that they can get access to our data. And this is an increasing person i think this corporate state overlap where they are now helping out develop these tracking apps and there is a understandable reservation i think among british people to sign up to these apps if they can be tracked everywhere they go the 1st ones failed the 2nd one might not fail so much but the uptake of such a little slime machine in your pocket watching everywhere you go everyone you see how many points you might buy in a pub and its very anti british i would suggest people just not up no not responding to his concern with these they have in germany want to have his mother be any better in terms of privacy. And i doubt it because if theyre working with the big corporations like google or apple its going to be the same problem perhaps its like more compliant if there are slightly more compliant i dont know but certainly in the u. K. There is a strong sense that we need privacy we dont want id cards we dont retract everywhere we go and i think this is something that the government needs to address this breach of the trust between the the government in the government the police and the police for example is something substantially that brittany suggests right ass because its a road at huge expense and weve seen that as well the demonstrations are life matter and things like that over the last few weeks in the and in National Thank you very much indeed for joining us. I dont know about with more news up the top of the. Thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the countrys military and. Every thing came to a complete. The day that i was raped and. You know told a short while they kill me and i see how would destroy. Any screamed at me and he made me come in and he grabbed my arm and he write me. 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