Have learned these and hes an associate professor at the university of south user norway as well as author of russias geo Economic Strategy for a greater eurasia gentlemen crossed up close and back i mean as you can jump in anytime you want and i was surprised ok i was going to also let you know in preparing for this program i was and were inside eden has ideas of orientalism started popping into my mind because orientalism was a way for christian west to define itself against the other other civilizations and people but it seems like orientalism as understood by slaves taken a very bizarre twist because now it is about self racism self loathing and this is where we have gotten to because theres no theres no replacement for the history that theyre destroying its a void and that may be intentional or not but it certainly creates conditions for creating a new past without being. Anchored or restrain i did pass. This is true that identities are usually created in opposition to someone so you should with say they explore other west greatest identity opposition to for example east or as a contrast what do you not see with a lot of these people is they their identity they view the other or essentially their own culture dont finish and so as you correctly point out they want to free themselves from their own past which is by definition a revolutionary moment moment now this is very problematic because. History it legitimizes that a legal institutions of the present and it also lays the foundation for a common shared identity and this is exactly their purpose it is to denounce their own history because they did that the country was founded on this crimes this great crimes. Then they have to address this in order to to prove the presence there so batswana denouncing the past now this might seem reasonable because it will hold the civilization you know very dirty assed and one should deal with this and indeed thats all they want to see themselves so gorgeous. So once you recognize the wrongdoings of the past for us it will be a specialist slavery and genocide of the native americans it seems that reasonable to address this however what you now see with these people especially other in their own history the problem is that there is actually it will tearing down statues there nonsingle in history it like this this is a new and because any country to rule as you mention relies on history if we dont have it you reject. Legitimacy of your institutions that seems odd to me what they want to do cause they say so systemic racist they have to tear down everything and also these sharing this is how they bent the for the whole nation which you also argue these corrupted by the us are the problem when you do this is now you dont have any of it and institutions and more legitimized by. And furthermore d the u. S. Can then denigrate into mere geographical location where its just happen to be populated by random people so you cant really have a nation with this history which is why revolutionary movements. Nor you know who are a terrorist on the loss of their own history it is a very dangerous. You know underneath it one of the interesting things as i said as i said in my introduction me history in many ways at least how most people understand it how they perceive it is usually something that we revere a person and. A moment in time and sometimes its a warning about what can go wrong in our history and how we can learn from it but if we didnt take out the reverence and the warning at the same time youre left with the boy and how can you forgive you dont have a clear understanding of the past even if the process is very painful and lets face it most civil ization what i say every civilization as painful moments that it was in gestation very few what would become so i mean if you take reverence and a warning bell then when he history bore ahead on you know i have now i like another to finish on our history i didnt want to run our 8 hour formulated out in your program. History. If todays politics transparent into the process you know. Its very sad and what we are now witnessing and especially United States interest 2nd American Revolution some commentators are writing this way and describing whats going on. A lot of people are limited in slimmer it they know how big you know at least in their are right quote way to the white but they considered themselves and that they are still in a kind of slavery it day didnt already come. Appen today 150 years or 200 years ago and thats right they dont consider the history of this country in a way as many whites are considering for damn the figures that dont rich they are cheering down defacing this are not their heroes this are the people who you know a president who didnt consider them as a human being and didnt write for them these guys have no place in the history of it how do you read where do they live. Thats a prayer for me but dont we get into a situation where they knew did it by getting grating they had that drawing that how can i how can we think about slavery and oppression and if we dont historical record of the correct meaning of that because if the people want to take down the confederates that in their own communities thats their business ok that is perfectly fine like jim mandate the end of history or that history should not be remembered is a very dangerous thing and i want to talk about what the bolsheviks did to russian history and let eventually came into it in russia when one of you feel that. I think in this instance russia does provide some lessons in terms of revolution or in wish and if initially if you tear up the future you tear up the past because you dont want to corrupt to their presence they want to create a new present which looks contaminated by. Ah so its in russia obvious that the bolsheviks they saw everything in society yes i mean being corrupted by capitalism so the initial bolsheviks they really did what they could to tary thing up so everything from the family the church nationhood. As a everything was a reflection of this exploitation of capitalism so they pulled it all up and. Mainly because it was seen as being exploitation and also authoritarian however runs this income recognize so at once theres no legitimacy based on the past they became even more aligned on brutality to create a new society and a new this actually community thats wasnt defined by history anymore and again this focus on next taking out those who had exploited them to get the horrible things or simply got to call oxen this. They said the find themselves by revolution in this continuous parish and i think that. This is again something that russia is preoccupied with today because when the soviet union fell apart again to some extent this was another revolutionary moment moment and had to deal with how do we address 7 decades of our history and again in the west we kept saying youre just have to give a blank and condon condemnation just denounce him or think of this of course very very dangerous because then you dont have a shared identity you dont have any legitimacy for your institutions so this is something i think you think for the russians how do you deal with a problematic and personally i dont think they should denounce this soviet era they should have a new instance should look at the horse the crimes were committed and take those out as still recognize the good and i think thats what theyve been trying to do so for example you know they russia now condemns you know for example the crimes of stalin it was committed in cutting at the same time they keep goal is to salvage what they can from history what was done right so again you can look to our state you know the world war 2 history when to save europe from the ashes from you know scientific achievements as a lot. So the so it there are you know. For micro common identity in the legitimacy and i think thats very important and we havent really appreciated that in the west is challenged and i think thats what americans now are also after recognise that yes almost jefferson had slaves but if you dont also all together including the good ideas that lose something very important and he condemned the entire project under any go ahead jump then yeah i think that this. Comparison is not correct because you know what is the program. That in todays america when i 1st came to america. In 90 and 90. I found done this is the most non integrated society in the world because blacks were outside of society every ethnic and racial group was living in its own emilio and without having though formally they had you know their rights in workplace but they never socializing david or isolated and when melting pot shifts to work. America turned to big that isolated island and he understood me a better player just told the other peter that decision very important thing and until now blacks can see theyre dead they are out of society and this is exactly the case thats what i hearing down this white slave owners they are trying to reassess and to give their own interpretation of the history and you dont know theyve considered that they are not entirely part. Of this country against our dear friend who of another history it what does it mean to have another history their representation in statutes on the squares their representation in current columbus in history literature bullshit in different places when a 1st time i came to a bird call in one day 9 days i was there miss run one of the professors from russia he said listen its very strange things happening this. Black and endurance are telling to that composition of professors is a to percent white 20 percent black but composition of students 80 percent blacks then. And 20 percent white were in need to vote at just this year not structured oh ok so we need more social engineering thats what youre saying thats very dangerous we have a break before we go to the break underneath. That thread. And would like to point out underneath your here rep of liberal each other my friend id like to end the 1st part of the program with a reminder to you that a black man was elected president of the United States twice and it was white people that voted for him to assume office so i think we have to now go to the extremes right here our im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion. Chose seemed wrong. But old rules just dont call. Me the bold yet to shake out these days to come out ahead and engaged because betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. We go to work some straight home. No t. V. No crowd. No shots. Actually felt. No restore. Points your thirst for action. Welcome across up were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were talking about culture sun. Ok let me go back to the glen and also you know it seems to me that this is another attempt. By a very Privileged Group of people in south it was not the impression of the working class it really is coming from academia and its this this ideology that has been so hot for decades now i remember when i was at university in the early 1990 s. And now its into the political system here and this is an attempt. To create a new man or excuse me new person well the record of that is pretty poor i would say look at the french revolution the bolshevik revolution a little bit of pop. In cambodia i mean the record is quite or disastrous destructive but it seems to me because these people want to destroy history they dont want to learn from history go ahead plan well again as so there must at definition no memory of illusion again that economists wanted to create communist man liberated from his own past and thats a kind of what youre seeing now so well you see this attempt to create this new western man liberated from his own you know flow past with of course racism being a key part of it and however under nick argued i would disagree in terms of the roach because usually i would argue that this kind of revolutionary a it could seem reasonable when when there was a side the country reform itself and i agree i think identified this problem this yes a geisha to a large extent were still exist however if you look at the numbers it looks like americans i think there was a race is capable of reforming itself if you look at all a lot of from marriage between races steering inclusion. And its use and hold and this is all i would say seems to be pointing in the right direction so i think there is room for improvement now in terms of the approach again or again or recognizing a lot of the same issues are you when you came to the u. S. In the ninetys i didnt get to keep problem or the disagreement is how you see society improving and you have 2 different parts you know we call it the or you equity they call it essentially saying like blacks whites asians should all be treated the same and over time differences will start to change himself of course youll always have some cultural differences the problem with a quickie is you demand equal outcome right away and for movies with as example are you know 80 percent white perfessor so you have to take into account if your recent demographic changes as well and once you do this it would be your specialist saying well we need less rights for some more blacks and then you begin the social engine. Airing where everyone is judged based on the color of their skin its on their gender and then i guess you will have the opposite outcome because once you have you know a luckless matter especially you will get on the bright white majlis matter as well and then you can have this rightwing identity politics which youre now on the left so i think the dangerous route to go down so again and also its difficult because you have these racial groups we should just mention blacks and asians theyre very different in the us for example blacks will get higher scores to get well will be easier for them to get into universities asians actually perform better than whites and they actually get punished for being a chanst so you really need and this is a very big and for the interest of iran is judged based on their skin under gender Sexual Orientation etc saying we need to call to iran has the same opportunity the outcome might not be the same a supposed to do the social engineering where you try to have everything. The outcome being exactly the same were some race have to be pulled out of yourself because. It is a dangerous path theyre living underneath i mean the thing at this is all based on big tamala gee ok equity you know it in terms of what glenn was just saying there you know eat eat that the more youre a victim of the of the system of history the more that your elevated well and thats not a way to create a. Society that is functional i mean it may make you feel good it may make you you know birches signally and all that but it in any function youre functionality of that it is it simply. It creates tribalism a share and and people that feel that theyre not part of the process so i think that you know this ideology thats coming out of the universities is basically cultural marxism and really it really jumps aside the real issue thats going on in its class because there are millions and millions of poor people of color and white. People at the same time and this ideology is dividing them when they actually mean a whole lot more in common then and then the elites really want them to know what lives matter is very very convenient for the all of arcs that run the economy and the politicians that are in their. I think that because of Political Correctness in American Society there was never ever especially during this last several big 8 open discussion about Race Relations and the problem is that everybody is afraid of telling a spade a spade you know because nobody is telling blacks that and they had enormous success during additional specially 50 years when i was in new york in the 5th on under 25th when it was 50th anniversary of john underwrite Political Rights desegregation and all this kind of things but even at that time a lot of leaders of black community. People like l. Sharpton and many others they were considering that Nothing Happened no progress still there if big difference in economy still is a big difference in different areas tracy is mundo this kind of think but not when it was telling that black left matter is a radical racist organization because they dont consider that right or life matter and just what what is the danger in Current Situation in that one day which such a you know such a pleasure on stretching their feet who like to just their feet and their shoot this could create their reaction on behalf of all white people and they can create their own organisation white light matter and a lot of them are not happy to see how black the left metter organization is drank too humid. And destroy or do you care to ditch which morris created by White American tradition america dish to get depressed problem and give those divide 8 in American Society that that is the ideology and the message of it let me go to glenn right now i mean what that one of the most important outcomes of the Civil Rights Movement was the Voter Participation so go its go look at all of the cities that are almost all the cities that have been burning over the last few weeks run by democrats very often by africanamerican mayors. Police chiefs i mean they they got rightfully got the vote the promise of the constitution of equality in participation in public life and then you have all of these cities that are so badly run and now they want to turn around its all because of racism which is absolutely nonsense its bad governance and i would say bad government it was allowed to happen because thats politically correct and comfortable and again i will not repeat i will not move away from the issue of last week when you look at the issue of how the country is basically poor right now poverty doesnt it doesnt try to attract itself just to one race its all races and when we dont look at this these inequalities its people like black lives let me in the Democratic Party and the media and amazon and all the rest of it they love to play the race card because it lacks of late really its happening in the. Well there is that argument that its more attractive because they doesnt touch on the economics because. Well again thats a mystery for what one can argue that the race issue can be reformed within the current political system they cannot make question is a bit more difficult to see at the mechanisms for redistributing wealth theyre kind of gone and the wealth continues to concentrate more and more obvious that there is an issue of class in the United States with the middle class weakening very quickly i guess our policymakers it instead of dealing really are forming the system from within which is very difficult because they rely on the dollars and its very difficult to get anything done i guess instead of dealing tackling this hard issue easier to deflect saying or you know look at this policeman here he did this or lets separate bathrooms for the trannies or you know whatever theyre actually want to go it is identity politics i guess its cheap it doesnt cost anything so there has been there is it is that argument that you you call it Something Else it doesnt mean theres not race it raise issues in United States how many of them are clear and you know you have races our limbs memory country us morocco you know Germany China theyre everywhere so my my my point is simply that i dont think i think it can be reform the race its issues i just think the economics are the ones. Getting worse and worse and but i think its also natural expression of the polarization of society has gone through you began to show by talking about that would say then this other ring and i think what you see not just in the us and other western countries as well is that the other ng sublists become the political opposition has gone from being political opposition to essentially the enemy oh so this in britain as well with cameron calling you know the leader of the Opposition Party threats to National Security and now this is common language in the us as well i think this polarization once you see your own political opposition your own people as opponents you go down this very destructive us and thats what you see in the us now as a low. With for example blood clots matter taking down the statues are the founders of the country which then make make that it was actually the more conservative american seeing likewise matter as their enemy and when the cause i was for example want to keep the statues they see them as holding systemic racism and you know perpetual exploitation of them so theyre all star perceived other as the enemy and i guess the race is the most easy explanation and its the easiest one to play ok because it its so imbedded in the gulf underneath it seems to me they were going reverting it now were seeing actually a very perverse calls for a new segregation of dividing people and this is going backwards in time all right and again with the fundamental issue here is what is legitimate already and whats going on right now is making that very very blurry go ahead and many yeah i think that the most important thing which i would like to emphasize at this segment is barrack practically aim on this kind of radical moment. Its the created pearman and sense of guilt for whites before the blacks 1st and 2nd day are openly it organizing to the moment of the year no paying reparation of dish league games oh slavery sam or old treaty and i dont know how many dollars which means this scene is gone and so deeply unfortunately it this is the most dangerous thing ok gentlemen i have to jump in here with run out of time i want to thank our guests in moscow and in also and i want to thank you for your still watching us here r. T. See you next im remember. The world is. Shaped by. The dares thinks. We dare to ask. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Tyson nation community. Are you going the right way or are you being led. By. What is true. His faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Aura maybe in the shallows. 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