A goldilocks time for some. I think when you look at the overall picture and this is if you go back to the origination of the Federal Reserve i think this is kind of their plan all along this is part of the Worlds Largest legalized. They can do has allowed the rich to get richer as times get tougher you know for years theyve had access to this cash and capital to borrow its only recently that the average guy can actually brought some money to get in so they threw a fry and bad conditions and actually ive always built well under the toughest conditions because they have the access the capital and others dont they have the ways they get the money others dont so their businesses are allowed to thrive well everybody else is out of business you come by where i am in chicago and almost every Small Business is going to be out of business i had time to selling is over not just wipe out an entire class of people because you allowed the wealthy theyre going to thrive through these. Tough times getting access the cattle doing all the things that normal people dont get to do so the class divide will continue and its mostly because we dont really allow the true free markets work anymore we allow the the Upper Echelon they have a better chance and better access Going Forward and i think thats one of the big problems that i see here well so make me go to richard so many of the wealthy you know look at socialism as something of a point but i mean this is exactly what they have they have they have socialism for the very very rich and Concierge Service and you know the states not supposed to pick winners because thats against the markets and thats exactly what theyre doing theyre picking winners all of the time richard go ahead yeah i think i agree that we are in a. Zan state of capitalisms desperate effort to survive where perhaps i disagree a little bit is in looking at the government or the Federal Reserve or the treasury as somehow the place to start understanding whats going wrong i dont see it that way i see capitalism as a system that gets itself periodically into trouble lets remember the National Bureau of Economic Research and many other institutions have traced through the rise and fall of capitalisms instability its Business Cycles if you like every 47 years we have a downturn thats the average and typically if it takes longer than 47 years which it did since the last crash in 2009 you pay for the longer upswing by either a longer or a sharper downswing we are now in a longer deeper downswing we would have been in any case the pandemic only makes it worse blaming the pandemic is that desperate effort to local late chasing the instability that dream that capitalism has always brought with it and. Said that the Federal Reserve like this u. S. Central bank that preceded it was an attempt to manage the very same contradictions of capitalism its Business Cycles its inequality and so nobody should be surprised that an institution brought in top last sent the inequality and instability of capitalism hasnt done a really very good job of it because it has been captured like so many other government activity used by those supposedly a subject to regulation is called regulatory capture for a reason so yes i agree the Federal Reserve is making the problem worse and the recent bombing of corporate ons in the secondary market is an extraordinary crutch for private capitalism provided by the government that should make any traditional conservative about Free Enterprise you know really roll over and is are earnest sleep with you had to be of it so for me this is capitalism running out of ways to keep itself going. Ahead time thats the point of the program jump in i got my Biggest Issue here is that they dont allow the free markets to work the Federal Reserve again what are they doing in the markets you know the whole chains in theory in my opinion is its thanks but im innocent others are not 100 nestle hunters and better reading theres a better bland and i dont think you can always the fan against a recession i think you let them happen and they have they reverse up much faster as they are creating these a longer more ridiculous cycles that now put us and really all theyve really done is inflate capital to nothing so my dollars are worth so much less i mean you go back you know if i go back in 1905 my money i made probably 110th of what i make now but i love the heck of a lot better life i want to earn than that i earned today they keep telling me no inflation. You know thats why you have to keep the flame i dollars basically are his secondary that i carry in my pocket of cash and now what theyve done is they said ok were strong through enough now lets figure everybody go on the stock market because were not give you any other alternative that the investor model so its got to go in the stock market because you get the posit money theres nowhere to go some banks want to charge about your money and theyre theres no other investment. They dont because were not arent you looking at a very small segment of society mean in the 19 seventies and eighties middle class people did invest in the stock market in my memory doing ok on my might error no but you have but i dont think thats that and even richard i dont think thats really the norm today i mean people i mean look at how in 2000 nato bombing it had a chance to save people from losing their homes but of course he didnt do it because he had he had he was in the service of best this it interest you bailed out the banks but he wouldnt bail out Middle America and he had the same thing happening all over again you know if the thing isnt with the theres a stock market richard for me it seems that it is real moment i mean i mean how is it possible you have these record gains when how the country is staring into the abyss richer well i think i think what you can see here is an analogue to what we saw in the 1930 s. The last time we had a crash of this magnitude there were many many pictures in those days of farmers pouring milk into the ground while other people were complaining that they could not get milk to feed their children their babies and the country marvel at the eps certainty of an Economic System that could have those 2 things happening often a few miles from one another in a country like ours i think the and the algae today is we are watching 40 plus millions of People Struggle with unemployment. Another 40000000. 00 with the danger of unemployment coming plus the impact of their friends and relatives who are already on employed and then on the other hand a booming stock market lets remember 10 percent of americans own 85 percent of the stocks so were looking at another one of these milk in the ground versus desperate for milk families this is an impossible situation to sustain it teaches the mass of people in that kind of spark way that capitalism brings them these 2 plagues and im not talking about a virus the plague of inequality and the plague of instability of cyclical instability and you have to its owner and later confront the reality which i think is coming that you must ask the question no matter how much trouble is attached to it is this the system we have to live under 10 we do better than the capitalist system without getting into the debate would a pure or a free market capitalism work better weve never had in the abstract thats a as a huge token an image as thinking we would define socialism or communism its only if we had the pure form only. But i mean i think that hang on i mean i thought ok there are obviously differences there but i can just say answered richard being that they dont have to worry about that ok because congress has already been bought ok theyre never going to do anything like that thanks you know tom one of the thing one of the taboos that has been broken i think over the last few months is that there is the claim there isnt any money ok of course is plenty of money apparently this endless amounts of money ok i mean even bailing out defense contractors who have and bailing out consultants think consult congress ok but there. Isnt enough to help with. The rolls ok i mean then that is this really drives me up the wall ok and i come from this from im a conservative ok but i think sometimes that emergency the government when it has the tools it should extend them if youre going to bail out the super rich then you can bail out main street and you cant tell me there isnt any money bill heads on. The wall and in 2008 my opinion they should a lot of banks said can to make it go under absolutely i mean this is the problem that they continue to bail out and the problem when youre issuing new money because not only theres a fetish in the money but the banks also wished him money when they used to have a 10 to one on a reserve and we know that they never had enough in reserve the government time to one of their always because its free money out of that well now they take the reserve limits off theyre only making that capital available to the for the wealthy theyre not making it available so then why why because. Mr obama or what some other president will come to their aid and bail them out again why should they be bailed out when the average guy on the street is never bailed out you or i would be in jail or Bankruptcy Court under the same circumstances versus big taking extra big bonuses because of that and this is where the problem again goes back to the entire system our way of living and it goes back to the government who made all these rotten deals which is why everybody hates President Trump because hes trying to limit many of these bad deals which is part of the reason is that whats going on in china and would you sing going on with the nafta deal because those are bad deals that were made last time to not you know fairness in all fairness you know you know the republican held senate is going on vacation it will come back when theres an emergency when there are 40000000 emergencies going on right now i mean this is that this is just a. 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Shots seemed wrong. But all in all just dont call. Me. Yet to shape out of disdain to become educated and engagement equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when she still looks for common ground. Join me every thursday on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to get a little the politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back to crossed out where all things are considered im hearing about your mind were discussing what kind of recovery can we expect. When richard lets go to you ok out i would like to explain one of the reasons why you see the behavior of the Federal Reserve and up the government bailing out the banks. Let me preface it by explaining i have no interest in protecting or defending what the banks do but i want to point out that the problem is a bit more severe in some policy choice of the federal government about to go either way theyre under enormous pressures and we have to face that or else we will misunderstand the situation had we let andy a Federal Reserve let the big banks go under back in 2008 in those last 4 months of that year when literally that was on the table as an option they would have had the following consequence in a globalized economy which we are now and we were even more so that there is an immense Competition Among the worlds 25. 00 biggest banks japanese now the chinese are entering and so on how do you let the american banks collapse all out the lehmann brothers failure you would have not that that was your intent but you would have given them and warmest competitive advantage to not only youll s. Banks that are global and that were not at that time threatened with such an option in washington where the american big banks have a lot of influence you can be sure that argument was made over and over again in the that you know you said the moral hazard or thats moral hazard ok thats blackmail i know there are absolutely no limits im sorry leverage youre going to have an american who actually has a theyre going to grab salute lee it is blackmail youre absolutely right but that doesnt mean that it isnt correct you have to understand for me its a sign that capitalism not only disorganized is the world into a minority of rich and a mass of poor and all the other criticisms but that it creates this kind of guy. Competition among a handful of monster banks that then handcuffs every society every government into having to be the handmaid or else presided over the decline of their own economy in yet another way. And i have one good reason jim and i dont ever going to scar is about how do they decide to choose women brothers vs bears arent they both are in because of trouble but it does i got the flush why is that. The connections between lehman and the policymakers were different than the connections between the other banks and theyre the only policy maker of would do the right thing and kind of always the manipulative thing and continued to play what we wouldnt have these problems that we see now because youve got these guys that make decisions they make right elections they do things that put certain banks better than others they put some out of business and thats a destroyer all the squall Regional Community bankers have to ok but then im going to agree with both of you so let me see if i understand this all right and you know speak slowly so i can understand so we have an economy that exists to support these banks thats what this economy is about what about everybody else ok actually thats the problem we have an economy that is now so structured so pyramid dies with the with the power at the top the wealth concentrated at the top that those people understand as all rich minorities have always understood in history before and during capitalism the more you concentrate wealth in the hands of a relatively small number in a society that has universal suffrage that small number understands that the problem for them is that the majority when the vote can undo that way the effects of a capitalist economy that concentrate wealth at the top so they have to buy the political system otherwise they put their own achievements economically at risk and if that seems to you dysfunctional for the mass of people i agree thats why im a critic of capitalism you know tom i mean one of the beings that i really worry so much about are we entering the a new normal of a permanent underclass is it seems to me thats where its happening in in what some of the stuff that ive read in the last few weeks is really quite fascinating is that you have. At the very very rich during this pandemics last lockdown they did consume less but the percentage less had a major impact on the people that are serving the very very rich so that im just going to pull some numbers out of there and their consumption goes down 3 percent the impact is like 25 percent for people that are in that it in the mode of servicing to the very very rich here and in this is just going to be perpetuated because you know the rich will be fine again but theres going to be a competition for whos going to be in the Service Class now and the excess itself can even drive down wages so the question is in the is the new normal that we have a permanent an underclass of people that will never really get ahead in time. And they gave economy and this think about all the millennia as if they just graduated from High School Graduate from university and they have this this wasteland and go ahead i dont agree i think that we will be able to come out of this as we have come out of money i think in the past 3 i think one of the Biggest Issues that were looking at today versus other periods in history is that. Going to the Industrial Age where it was easy to train people and take people that had no education no way of knowing what their internets moving into the tech age is a much different thing and our kids now are being taught and are brought up in the tech world so their ability to work jobs they get into these industries will be much easier like you i grew from 40 to 65 im 63 you take my group of people ive had to go retrain to get a job i could get a job anywhere i made i could push carts in walmart but you get past the age and because were moving out of all the things that help the middle class back then survive which is Industrial Production factory like it would to a tight unit youre not saying and i dont want to get the platform to youre not saying learn code are you. Im not but ill never learn god but again im not from that era i think im like they can turn the computer rot ok if it were under 5 minutes they have my camera right so i mean i got louder i mean richard i mean i i was in academia for a long time in one of the reasons why i left is that most of the things taught at the university are junk and dont prepare people for the future ok i mean its a lot of you know its virtues signaling and you feel good about yourself and everybody wants so shell just listen and i guess some of those people are employed right now all across the country ok and i find it really of this whole culture war i think its so damaging i think we need to have a deeper meaningful conversation and i would probably agree with a lot of things but destroying thats not the way i find out of order to reach an underclass a permanent underclass because the reason im saying its not as a result of the pandemic lockdown its just coming in to a greater release ok richer yes my short answer to your important question is yes we are developing a manse underclass look 42000000 people unemployed is an invitation to every employer in america to approach his or her employees with the usual proposal youre going to have to take a pay cut a benefit cut you have to come in a half an hour earlier your lunch is now going to be 40 minutes instead of 16 and on and on and everyone knows why because they can because no employed person is going to take the risk of fighting back those demands when there are 40000000 fellow citizens out there desperate for the job even under the reduced conditions that are being offered so you have literally created now the opportunity for those at the top to take the next step and ratchet down the crime and the wage that the consumption levels Everything Else theyre fought. Thereby producing an underclass and let leak make this topical i think that africanamericans and others have been in that underclass for a long time theyre now being joined by a whole new population of white people being put in there and part of what you saw in the protests ever since george floyd was killed is the recognition by more and more white people that they are now part of what your question points you know its i think thats a fascinating point but then a time in a minute a little bit off topic from our our focus here but then it seems to mean that thats just dividing what were going to call the underclass here because. Calling everything you just like racism in meaning that is the state division of the underclass of which is easier to control by the way and i find when i find really a point is that there is energy and that and i think people have hope its been focused laser focus on the wrong things social justice yes more Economic Opportunity yes ok i think they waste too much time on statues and i think that and many ways that in advance is the agenda of the super rich because lets face it the status quo is working great for them. I could not agree more with that statement and this is one of the issues is is is the the underclass if you want to call them that now they need to get off their ass and go vote and you do things as a taking things the same old way you know want one the problem in this country is were lazy americans people dont go to the polls and now they vote out of it you know the time one of the things but one of the interesting things is you know if you look pretty clearly in the lot in the last 8 years here anyway and it will be very clear anyone that is a populist left is gets crushed ok and. And populous conservatives they are disregarded is well ok you get the libertarians that end up running the g. O. P. Is the disastrous economic policies or might be and then you have Chuck Schumer and and nancy pelosi anyone their greatest enemy for those democrats are coming progressive i mean they have their then them regressive stopping the republicans because the democrats give trump everything he won everything with a challenge from the left thats what they hate most richard go ahead below 30 seconds. The basic argument for me is this. In germany just to give you that you say in germany unemployment went from 5 percent to 6 percent in the United States one from florida half percent to 1718 whatever the number see what we were able to throw the mass of working people white and black out of work and your conservative leaders tend not to leave that because the political environment is organized in socialist parties labor unions just block it so its even once if a couple theyre left in america has organized so that it has comparable influence and tend not to like it by the likes of shoulder alosi trump or anybody else well i hope the pitchforks number them ok maybe out of all that now we have young men i want to thank my guests in new york and in the coghlan and make our viewers are watching us here are we see you next remember. Whats new to us the world the start of it already been it was a blessing thats l. A. 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Nuclear power plants have become a battleground in the us in vermont people are demanding the shutdown of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because its a very dangerous oh no care power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the power in this country wheres it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy as are power lie with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in very real ways our struggle on r. T. Welcoming our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is on to u. K. 2 people have reportedly been stabbed to death during a Major Incident in glasgow and the suspect is shot dead by police ill be talking to a glasgow based lawyer. A group of academics and doctors criticize u. K. Government plans for large scale coronavirus Antibody Testing claiming they provide false hope. The u. K. Government warns of a clampdown as thousands flood social distancing on englands beaches. And the u. K. Uses its locked down some businesses are getting ready to reopen but others are left in limbo we talked to owners forced to keep their door shut. This is r. T. U. K. A serious incident has taken place in Glasgow City Center 3 people are reported dead following a stabbing and 6 people are being treated in hospital the police have said the suspect was shot dead while on to u. K. Shot to ever stop to do and speak with the latest try to talk us through with the latest developments what we know so far is that a Major Incident has been declared in glasgow and is now being treated as a serious incident and the area really is now essentially in lockdown it comes as 2 people have been stabbed to death at a park in hotel on the west George Street in the city just to give you an idea thats just a stones throw away from the shopping district in the heart of the city of glasgow now several people have been injured we understand 6 people are being treated in hospital and the 3rd person dead was a suspect that was shot that at the scene by police and addition then the police do confirm that one of the offices have. Being quite badly injured is being treated in hospital we understand he is in a stable condition but in a Critical Condition as well weve also heard from the chair Scottish Police federation hes spoken out about one of his offices on the front line and what theyre having to go through Police Officer the beast with the stick the environment were beginning violence presented with when i was going to work with these and again i think this is just another example of you have to go into these things and youre not routinely are. Going to deal with these things and are you. Really. One of those members. Well Boris Johnson has also released a statement on line on his twitter account saying he is deeply saddened by the incident in glasgow and thanks the Emergency Services who are responding but as we know there is a Huge Police Presence at the scene through various photographs we can see that more than a dozen Police Vehicles are in attendance also a huge response from the Ambulance Services as well but we understand that please moved in very quickly to the scene and sealed off the west of George Street paramedics also in their house that suits were seen treating people on the pavement and eye witnesses said that they saw people being taken by stretches from the park and her talent partly people were attacked in the lobby of the hotel area suffering various stab wounds and we understand people in the hotel at the beginning of the incident were told to stay within their rooms but since then have been ushered in evacuated out of the hotel where we spoke to an eyewitness who told us that the Police Responded very quickly to the incident like an awful shock to a very close to them to the carpenter who will decide. To ward. That incident to police or. Not but i do look so much for the trauma that started to purchase and so. Very quickly i realised it wasnt just up to. Police incident because it was more the more peace said ivan the resemblance he said ivan and some of the Police Officers of the town and up will keep almost in through and Police Uniform with the guns and things of that so. I realize it is quite serious people that were in there but it is all confusion people being moved out of the area and the people us in the scene and in stabbing people and other people will say and there was a bank robber who was really unclear what was happening across but in many ways he came in and we seen people being a quick little being taken away and then we saluted many c. D. s of just have there that if people would in a past that wed be dead in the tent and bucket might my office know up just him but he insists i just want to be for that is to to buzz in is this this cause and things i dont buy to tell you its just oh say twitter believe the hotel was we didnt know before theres a bank close to that which is who came to meet since that we thought maybe that was a vital to going on. Now we understand that the park in her town is not right now being used as a hotel in its normal operation in capabilities but right now its being used as a temporary to behind this attack whether or not something triggered it or sparked it or whether it was just a random sporadic attack police wont of course come out to say anything until they have confirmation of what exactly has happened but the Scottish Police federation representing of course run for office has confirmed the area is in lockdown and has issued a list of streets to avoid as you can see on your screen weve also heard from nicholas sturgeon the scottish 1st minister shes tweeted out urging people to avoid the area shes thanks the Emergency Services for their bravery and also says her thoughts are with all of those who have been injured but also shes emphasized that the public should not share any on confirmed information or any disinflation that may hinder the understanding of exactly whats behind this very serious incident the home secretary then preety patel has also used the medium of twitter to say she believes its deeply alarming the reports coming from glasgow and her thoughts as well are with americans the services as they continue to respond to this incident again similar sentiments coming from the lay believed this star may he too has tweeted out about this extremely concerning incident and again says his thoughts are with all those involved what we do know is that the incident is contained at this stage and there is no further threat to the public that is the statement from the Scottish Police but of course the police do remain in their huge numbers at the scene as do the Ambulance Services because now a huge investigation and operation is underway to get to exactly what has happened this afternoon but the key messages today are that there is no further danger or threat to the public but the public needs to avoid the scene and thanks very much. And i are joined by applause kobes no i am anwar to discuss this. Whats your 1st reaction when Something Like this happened well its heartbreaking news this is in the hearts of our city which just people were starting to hope that there was some return to normality life was coming back its its you know a stones throw away from the shopping district to glasgow families are starting to come out again people walking the city center which will look like a ghost town for so long and then say here this news this afternoon. You know thoughts and prayers with the families of those loved ones who were murdered today but also with a Police Officer whos in Critical Condition along with 5 other people who received treatment ospital this time looking at the park in hotel were getting reports that the hotel was used to house Asylum Seekers during the cave in 1000 crisis. Yes thats correct theres been a great deal of criticism in recent weeks about the forcible removal and housing goal of Asylum Seekers and their families in hotels like the park and others. As your reporter said. We dont we dont know what the details are theres no room for speculation or i was simply says that the police do not appear to be looking for any other individuals with regards to this incident the places in lockdown. And the city is secure it does seem like this was contained very quickly by the police doesnt it absolutely the police did a tremendous job of responding almost instantaneously to to the reports in the course of the puts the Police Officer who presently is in Critical Condition is stable. Is in hospital for 3 days as you said there a Police Officer in a Critical Condition awful situation but it could have been far worse couldnt it. I mean. The street people have lost their lives as a Police Officer for the city guards came from the Peoples Court and i mean this accommodation of being and he was for them the fact that you know people have lost their lives today innocent people people going about their work you know awful couper in the hotel and the fact that how heartbreaking will be for families i mean these are fans the Asylum Seekers who are staying you know who tell us you know the police will be doing a difficult job. Of along with other members of the authorities to try and trace their families try and contact victims to try and tell that tims families that you know their loved ones are dead. As well as you know families will be worried wearing a great deal about that that they have family members who are in hospital as mum so for for the city life just stops right now an old city comes together in solidarity with the Police Officers family as well as those whove lost their lives today you know caught up in the barcelona terror attack when you i mean theres no suggestion this is a terror attack but what were saying is the iraqis is very similar isnt there the impact is very similar and of course there is no suggestion all that this is a terrorist attack i think from the way the police reacted and subsequent statements made by the police there i would simply say at this point there is obscene no room for speculation but yes after the barcelona attack. It runs through the whole city and for the Community Feels as though everybody has been a volved and in this horrific incident they feel the pain and glasgow is a community you know we do all come to Stay Together in times of trouble when we had the bin lorry crush you know the whole city seem to come to a standstill when there was the hell a Police Helicopter landed on the kuta waltz and people died the same thing happened and of course during corbett 1000 you know thousands of people have lost their lives in scotland hundreds with in glasgow so it has been a period of mourning. And its a very sad day. When i say that people for their lives are returning to some form of the mullet into how this happened right in the midst right in the heart of the city and in the nature of the attack though weve seen a rise in stabbings in particular i mean reading just last week that and that was labeled a terror attack. Yes well i mean i mean i think the police of often say that. They thought is a said that we are fortunate in this country that the murder rate is so such a low rate you know in terms of homicides in scotland we have been lucky that the homicide rate is one of the lowest levels ever in the history of this country so within scope that we were fortunate by however any loss of life is simply unacceptable. And today of course there is a Police Officer as well whos in Critical Condition you who went into the scene to assess people and in terms of the Police Response i mean police have been criticized for not being quick to act in recent weeks of protests rioting in london and so forth but in this case it looks like that got things right and i well i think that the police are expected to do a job and when they use force it has to be reasonable to be legitimate and as to be proportionate how are the Police Officers are always the 1st to have to attend a scene such as this to attend when there is a terrorist incident to attend when somebody is there with a gun nor with a knife and the fire and they put themselves in the line of fire and are and they are to be applauded when they carry out those actions when they do it on behalf of the Community Protecting the community and this case arc is you know reason why any would we would be able to criticize the police there will of course be a review of the incident apolo in this book the police appear to respond almost immediately who are on the scene and i dealt with a situation almost like barcelona i remember when i was there within the space of Something Like 2 minutes Police Officers were out in the street in the hundreds on the Emergency Services responded and im going says and Police Officers and yet again we saw exactly that within the city center of course were all in the state of pilot city centers all around the country due to terrorist attacks or state of pilots or pisco and does obvious procedures to respond to major instance such as appropriately response units and we have police and ambulance is always already allowed to do with such sadly to do with such issues nowadays and im well thank you very much and if you thought thank you. While home a metropolitan chief superintendent daubers says the public should resist the urge to share footage on social media until the family has the potential victims have been informed. Theres lots of speculation we understand that the hotel was used as a temporary accommodation so theres speculation about whether to do so unless people whether its through terrorism related really gang related i mean it could kind of quite frankly be all of those and none of those and thats the difficulty with these kind of situations because theres a thirst to 24 hours the news what we will have now which we didnt have in the in the partys images will be circulated and its really very important turn not to speculate around where it is because we just dont know there are so many different variations of what could happen i think the key thing is to listen to the official messages that are coming out and the police are basically saying the only incident is contained that now would suggest that they have and they are confident that theyve they have identified all the victims and the suspect but thats not clear this day and the other clear bit of advice its been given by a number of the Key Stakeholders is dont go to the area so i think you can help the Emergency Services by avoiding the area and also help the Better Services but in terms of information as well what kind of advice do the police say to the public when they say fix me people have been taking photos and videos here how does that help the police investigation. Well if they send the images to the police i think it may be helpful but i think whats very very worrying is that theres an element of selfishness here people take images and start circulating it and sometimes they identify people and so loved ones would have no idea about whats happened to the nearest and dearest and then they suddenly see a picture of somebody and what some of the noose induced been looking injured or look in distress or being a victim of crime so i would appeal to people who are thinking of circulating images that theyve taken to think very carefully to think about the well being of the victims that there may photograph but also their friends and families who would have no idea of whats actually happened and its a lot and its much better for people to be informed that somebody as i theres certainly been in and been a victim of a fatal act or has been injured if a Police Officer were trained individual goes along and actually shares im from asian as opposed to just seen on social media. While the glasgow attack has not been designated a terror attack it comes less than a week after 3 men were killed in reading that attack i believe to be a mission from libya had been previously known to Security Services but wasnt regarded as a threat however former head of the National Counterterrorism office Chris Phillips said it was too early to think about what this recent incident might mean for the threat level it said that the threat in the u. K. Is substantial well and that means i know takrit happen at any time and of course that that is whats happened the it is actually right relatively low on the attack threshold in as much as its been much more than that the threat levels have been much higher than that but thats generally when the police are aware that there are people out there of course if this person has come out of nowhere or maybe on the list of 40000 others that are also. Slightly terrorist employee and then of course that doesnt mean to say that the threat level needs to go up and if this persons been dealt with and theres no one else involved then the threat level wont go up tomorrow were looking at some of those details coming through chris has been confirmed by the police that a male suspect has been shot dead so its a situation as a place of site has been neutralized doesnt it yeah well you know from my perspective im very pleased about that because it means you cant harm anyone else the most important thing is a vote of course to try and keep people safe and what we see in the bay is. But this is this is also straight out of the isis handbook they pronounce to the world to all the followers to do this kind of think so this is this is directly from their home because of what to do whether its usual guns usual noise or usual calls to kill people in their own country so so to that extent this could well be a terrorist related incident well have to find out the police will talk about that later im sure when they got more information about the suspect who did it and what his motives were. More news after a short break. Ah no team no crowd. No shots. Action well to be. Struck no 1st. Points your thirst for action. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation full community. Are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere. Dialling. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or a maid in the shallows. Welcome back a group of academics and doctors have criticized the u. K. Government plans for a large scale Antibody Testing claiming theyre based on untrustworthy data Boris Johnson praised the testing as a potential gain changer back in may antibodies and left when patients we cover from the Virus Research just say theres no guarantee they provide immunity or stop people infecting others well earlier i was joined by one of the researchers professor of biostatistics and w. H. O. Advisor john deeks he told me that antibodies simply arent a good measure of immunity this 2 issues really what one is that we seem to be running a bit fast with thinking how well they work and so the piece of work that weve been completing with teams from across europe and canada has been looking at every single study we can find evaluating these tests and trying to actually understand how much we know about how well they work the 2nd issue is we have to know where they should be used and what it means when you actually have an Antibody Test and either get a positive or negative response in terms of how they should change our lives do they change the metol and from what were saying that question isnt really very clearly arts at because we at the moment we do not know whether these tests actually tell you whether youve got long term immunity and also its as you say its a new disease as well isnt it so cant in bodies provide immunity in some cases. Well this is something were going to take a little bit of a while to work out because its something we have to follow people over time to discover whether having antibodies leads you to be protected so for some diseases we see that it does for other diseases the antibodies will disappear quite quickly so what we were doing was looking at all of the studies so far up to the end of april we found 54. 00 studies of these tests and none of them told us how long the antibodies last beyond 5 weeks that they too isnt there were continuing to look at the Research Studies and next month will publish a lot more dates and hopefully well get some information but at the moment we have very limited knowledge so were fact that we will be guessing and hoping rather than actually basing decisions on evidence if we think this is telling us about long term immunity. The government has warned the public its could be forced to close the beaches after thousands flock to the coast thats his critics warn that unclear rules on the zing of the coronavirus knock down has left britains confused about whats allowed traffic jams overcrowding and antisocial behavior were seen as beachgoers travel 2 hours to reach the doors that coast on the safe south of england was a Christ Church and pool council declared a Major Incident and said services were completely overstretched it prompted the chief medical officer to plea for people to respect social distancing or risk undoing previous efforts while the Health Secretary want action could be taken if infections rose as a result. Go to respect rules you ought to respect the fact that social distancing is still important and we do have we do have those hours and if we see a spike in the number of cases then we will take action. Well the chief executive of u. K. Hospitality kate nichols told me that reopening the sector will actually help control the kind of scenes we saw on the beaches what we do know is that if we open our hospitality sector if we open our hotels or holiday park selfcatering accommodation we can help manage social distancing in those Public Places clearly at the moment crowds are keen to get out into the sun and with out all the facilities and support packages that has been sanity can provide they are left with nowhere to go so i think reopening most tallahassee will help to manage that move towards. Outdoor activities in a safe a more Sustainable Way and also we can make sure that were providing the hygiene the sanitation the cleaning facilities for all of those people to enjoy and keep them safe while theyre out enjoying the good weather all of us know if theres a big influx of tourism to a very small area that could be local outbreaks but that. What we have to make sure that we are doing everything we possibly can to keep our guests and our local Community Say and clearly. To residents to tell it to business as they are right at the heart of their community so they dont want to do anything which would make their communities unsafe they would be putting in place world beating protocols for cleaning hygiene sanitation to make sure that the risk of infection is controlled and minimized if not eliminated and we will be working hard to keep our teams safe and our customers say while they are staying with us its in all of our interests to make sure we do everything we can to have socially responsible holidays socially responsible hospitality and to encourage on ket guests and customers when they come down to the southwest or to the Lake District to be responsible to take care of their own hygiene and sanitation and to protect our economy. But as the u. K. Uses its coronavirus knock down some businesses are getting ready to reopen but others are being left in limbo and as r. T. U. Casey surrounding reports the reason appears to be far from clear. Imposing the coronavirus lockdown was simple and easy to understand for the public and for businesses essential work only only shop for food and medicine when it comes to the reopening its much more complex some businesses cant open and some cant and in many cases theres no obvious reason why im acutely conscious the people will ask legitimate questions about why certain activities are allowed and others are not and i must ask the house to understand that the virus has no interest in these debates its only interest its only a ambition is to exploit any opportunities to recapture ground that we might carelessly vacate there are some contradictions pubs restaurants cinemas and bingo halls are all set to open but indoor gyms pools and spas often more spacious well ventilated and with strict cleaning regimes already in place cant and if its about safety then Business Owners say that making those necessary changes to deserve the one metre possibly ice now in place in england wont be too difficult at all theyre not always packed so you often find space and people in the gym at the same time gyms to also take a lot of time and effort into cleaning and you know theres a lot of emphasis on wiping things down after use and sanitation and so on so. Its difficult to really say i mean they probably could have made provisions considering that people will be packed in pubs probably making body contact knowing the gyms. That im aware of the number of people they employ. Based compared to a bar or restaurant etc you know the gyms do employ less people so i would say that that probably has more pull in getting people back into work and and and you know even revenue and kind of the the revenue that these kind of establishments generate will be will be higher than most gyms comparative gym so there are even anomalies in social distancing has fallen for instance cant open with the right kids one of the beauty parlors and tartarus remain shut for businesses such as night clubs whats needed is confirmation that at some point they will be able to open and more Financial Support from the government neither of which appear to be forthcoming seriously because research d. Give us some target dates or understanding on how long this is going to stop financially work starts and start to let them understand when and how theyre going to reengage so lots of this is about so many people at the moment really on the brink and weve got to start taking a Human Element of peoples lives you know were playing with and we need to get to a point where we resolve that and i know theyre saying they cant save everybody but the fact of the matter is we need to try and move that forward and gets open and people can generate that revenue start coming back the government says its conducting sector by sector reviews to help those who cant open to do so i dont need to date but with warning the 2nd wave of the virus and the possibility of lockdowns to come business is unable to make any money during the current easing of restrictions fear that means they may never open the doors again. R. T. London. On the back with more news in half an hour. 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