Step forward looking forward to see what following steps will will be taken in order for our industry to thrive again and welcome or customers and that perhaps is a small price to pay to get back to this new normality if businesses like these that depend so much on social interaction want to survive now be hoping that everyone not just off the customers to get used to this new slightly more antisocial way of life. Precious time with him not international will be more holidays from todays victory day parade ill be back at the top of the hour. Hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered im peter all about it is fair to say many of the protesters on the streets of america want social justice nominally speaking thats a positive message the problem is how that message is translated into concrete political demands and what happens if you dont agree with those political demands. Discussing social justice and more im joined by my guest Michael Johns in philadelphia is a national cofounder and leader of the u. S. Tea Party Movement as well as a former white house speechwriter to president george h. W. Bush and in washington we have arlen nixon hes a retired Police Official as well as a a. C. L. U. National board member originally across the trees and then you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciate it ok michael lets go to you in philadelphia is there a crisis a crisis of authority in america right now or a crisis of responsibility or is it both go ahead yeah i think you have to say its both. A crisis once were applied to an ongoing issue and i think thats a question were hopeful you know you haitian on both where you have been as you were a Law Enforcement for predominantly Political Considerations not engaging in actually enforcing the rule of law. And you have protesters in turn him who want to be clear not all protesters under a certain faction of them associated with radical as groups engaged in a mentally by land. Activity thats clearly a crisis i think emerging on both fronts and its time for government and protesters i think to take a fresh look at the probes its been taken and have to have a we. You know damage to. Ringback property and to people thats not the way we do things in a country that is governed by rule of law you know girl and me i cant help but get the feeling that theres an element out there that this monster the worst the better they want to continue print going down this year and i find that very frightening because we have elements of the authorities and we have to remember authority is defined as the having the legitimate right right on the monopoly use of by police ok and there many of them are you know abdicating their responsibility for political reasons so this is like the worst well were sort of possible worlds because you have some people that have a complete disregard for the rule of law and then you have the law keepers that are hesitant to enforce go ahead well you know if you know man youre talking to a person who has for the last 4 or for every since the beginning of the lock down specifically predicted the violence that we were going to have i predicted it and what i saw was this we have a crisis of authority in that our ruling elite class totally ignored the needs of the American People when i saw the food lines when i saw it in the you know the richest country in the world people basically starving people who had no you know they had no future and they looked around and now they had no present what i saw was straw when i saw was dry straw waiting for a spark so i think that what were. Looking at year is an instance where economic pain is inextricably linked to social pain and that people are not seeing. The elite that everyones only talks about is from the perspective of social issues and im saying this now this is round what we in our predict out of it turn were looking at now is home this cataclysm avalanche of there will be a 2nd wave of violence that i think will be far worse then then this if we allow literally tens of millions of people to be so if we dont understand that there is a connection were going to pay a price and i dont think that most people in power are getting that in america you know michael in girl in praise of a really good point because it is im im more concerned with the income inequality social inequality then the claims of the rampant racism ive you know i spent years at the at the university and this Political Correctness book ism is just noise and in our our politics ok because i garland is right in garland we have to point out europe is a retired. Police official and you shouldnt be surprised by this but the media message is something very different its not talking about this kind of inequality its more ideologically driven and its an extreme ideology in my opinion go ahead for. The actually i think garlands correct that the Socio Economic conditions critically of urban communities around this country an issue for decades and when we talk about this ruling a wheat the only what you call reporter has decisions to operate in a Representative Democracy and to the extent that the individuals which and onus exclusively democrats for decades in these cities are not doing the sort of job their constituents want or are reasonable. We expect you have to begin to look at alternatives and ill say as. A conservative leaning republican that is someone who looks at that i dont i also think its unfair to simply point the finger and say well you got to keep putting these people back in power and thats when tom pointed at her we have an obligation to be engaged and present and hurricane Seasons Country presenting listen firstly listening i think listening to understand what really are the issues i dont doubt that these addiction fears the garland mentioned are really will generate issues and are actually fueling a sense of anxiety a sense of hopelessness and maybe a sense of like nothing left to lose you know thats a psychological condition it can exist and been a factor behind much of the violence that we would experience but also when we have a man and we have the power to do this that are covering officials who are addressing issues not means its entirely reasonable it will be expects in urban communities country that there are. Job opportunities that wages are hes keeping pace with inflation that schools are functional and if theyre not functioning that then parents have an opportunity to pursue alternatives your theory School School choice or other or bouchers that their communities be drug free and that gangs in other violent forces not be allowed to in danger or threaten those communities but to really be able to do that in a credible way not just like in a. You know a broader federal political way we need president s we need to be there we need to be talking to people they need to know 1st that we will generally do care about this and you know whats going on in these communities has crumbled republicans in trouble conservatives thats not enough were not doing enough we cant. We have to be engaged in saying how might we go about doing this differently and then see if we can present that as would you not political and policy alternatively you know thats a very good point and you know again i as a conservative myself i much more locally driven person because its the local communities that know their own problems and can come up with their own unique solutions you know and i agree with you on that you know that girl and i mean you have the mayor of minneapolis now asking for federal aid to help rebuild the city and the same mayor just let it burn down and evacuated the police i mean what kind of can you make any sense of that whatsoever i mean heres a local official watching the city burn and did nothing about it and now wants help from the outside when it could have been avoided can you explain that. Up a deal like this where people are learning is this and that is that it wasnt that he had a choice it wasnt that he let it burn if you look outside and theres 10000 protesters and youve got 150 or a couple 100 cops there not a lot of theres you know have a lot of options i think that people are mistakenly believing that the police that who are foresman can somehow can somehow hold back a dam of tens of thousands of people if they have that many people in the street their needs are not being our enemy and they have a banding that precinct that said send the message it sends a message to go do what you want to do and i think that you know its a very complicated and im not going to tend to know so much about it because you were in line for ill say this if i didnt then during your precinct set a precedent for the entire country thats my opinion so i would say this because you know i was a Police Official if i were in charge of that precinct and i saw 5075 cops in there and several 1000 people outside id say get out as when hes with us in the outward josey wales guy and you know immediately so i see you guys out. There and id rather have a building burned down then have a house burned down in a building inside of it the numbers were overwhelming but you have to ask yourself how do. You we claim and this is always important to me and this is the question this was a question when when you reply to us in this that you darned voters do what we want d you to do you blame the people at the bottom or you blame the people at the top who are making decisions i tend to look to the top when i see these kinds of things i dont think about im just evil and it will go all in it lets get together an attack on students and people i think were looking at a result of horrible neo liberal decisions both at a local level and a National Level dreams are you coming on the roof completely agree with you but michael you know just say you know these these riots are in its because of systemic racism but id have to agree with garland my liberal friends here is that a lot of people felt like they had nothing left to lose and the police found that they had not much to gain that is the state of our politics right now. I think youre both right again i think you had an issue where. The there was not perceived to be any political downside to. These respective cities in allowing the well was news to go forward because the political influence of the protest movements has surpassed that the city Economic Community of these cities many which were African American businesses that are going to have an immense difficulty as you correctly pointed out in minneapolis for instance in rebuilding i dont think i think we need to resist this temptation in accepting these are either or proposition that you know when conditions become on just on sunday lately green to get to essentially commit acts of violence and you. Essentially. Looting and burning buildings down as sums were attempted to solve and i would point out well no no one within this protest community consulted me even though i was more found in one word grassroots political movements in his countrys history had they consulted me which i would have but because im empathetic and sympathetic with some of these objectives i was make your gender various the sick i dont like what the hong kong protesters have done and their 5 demands not one less these are the things were looking for make them politically reasonable define the police is net is nothing it is ever going to get sole political in this country its a real west you know you have to be rude to bring specificity and then finally you have to be peaceful because when youre not peaceful even people that may be inclined sympathetic to your cause and i put myself in that position look look ringback upon this and say no you have to restore the rule of law and the governments point of view 15 Law Enforcement officers in one of these situations not so not stable as a situation but youve got to bring 150 and thats enough to give me 250 i dont believe that a significant portion of those protesters would have been inclined to a gauged in the ballot here that they had they felt that there was a one for presence and that the were ramifications the possibility he held accountable once the message got out that there was no such presence and there was no such accountability i think you would hope very large percentage of individuals who were did not go there predisposed to commit malice but it they went through their thinking that we went from protests need to violence and looting and i think there are very separate things and there are some unsavory characters in general are going to jump in here or go to a short break announcing that short break well continue our discussion of social justice they party. You cannot be both with the yeah youre right. Welcome back to cross up here all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to mind you but discussing social justice. Ok lets go back to carla here michael brought up the outlane something that i wanted to go to anyway and demand something is not possible here because again i dont want to separate the the political overtones the best because it seems to me that there is an element out there that. Will never be satisfied i want to burn it to the ground they want to destroy i dont see i see so much of that energy going into that kind of rhetoric and discourse and not really a positive agenda as i mentioned in my introduction oh well how do we get to that place and michael was alluding to that i mean weve d theyre right there right now and we have any reasonable expectation that we can have a dialogue at this point go ahead a couple of things and out of this agree with him on hong kong protesters i would argue this is that is a lot easier to have specific demands when theyre written for you by the u. S. State department but but from another perspective i would say this and that is that. What were looking at if you understand what were looking at it is an empty and fury u. S. 48 people forget you think youre going to have 42000000 people unemployed you think youre going to have 42000000 people who lost their jobs and their Health Insurance and that and the individual why they got enough theyre like looking at the street people think theyre going to see that youre going to get reasoned out of that people who are living in an early in your ad is looking for a reason so you want to get a disagreement out of luck in predicting this ever since this law started ok i can absolutely as they think then why the tearing the statues down cmon explain that to me thats a theory thats another thing that we talk about and that is this there are a lot of people right now lets face it in germany if there were statues of hitler theyd be angry people that would tear him down and generally so i believe that there are a lot of people who have said to their leaders look we want you to act on this this is unacceptable these were fascist people who basically had slaves and were traitors and were lionizing them and they dont have it theyre done its representative theyre done with harlow people who wont listen early and there is a process in Gaza City Council you bring in the community you have that discussion and you decide when youre going to do it unilaterally doing this using violence breaking the law is it what does that solve it with me have you excuse me illegitimate rights and all of us know its ok if its a city and wants to take down remove put into a museum destroy. A statue i think that should be a Community Decision it should be a got a bunch of thugs with cranes and hammers ok not the way things should be done or ok but again a lot of these people you might be using the law is illegitimate and its up because its somehow privileged in all of it it doesnt make any sense because it doesnt solve any problems michael you want to chime in there and i agree that theres an imprisoned mechanism in place and certainly when this whole debate began to surface. Yes a few years ago some of the confederate statutes you know were a good number of examples of just individuals who followed a process there was a debate over it individuals he said you know were not. Giving a nod and wink to racism or slavery that that was a kind of issue of the time and were and this was said no this is not reflective of d the years now and thats all that matters that history doesnt matter and they whine a lot of those issues and those statutes came down to and were we democratic open process and i think even those who were on the losing side of it in that sort of perspective had more respect where for instance they didnt turn around and say well lets put it back up i dont know one of these cases the stache going to come down and youre going to put it back up and they want torn down didnt i also think theres a horrific misunderstanding of the history and some ball that well understood by the leadership of these organizations but we decision by a group of to tear down a memorial or statue that was probably put through our Democratic Political process of 20. Times is not their rate their responsibility or their role to be making those decisions period. If anyone on our side went out and tore down. Monuments for memorials of individuals that were supported or held high esteem but on the left. There would be quote there would be National Outrage and but every every individual. Who we are are today commemorating historically lived through a period where values and structures were entirely different than they are today i mean the issue of slavery goes back 5000 years mesopotamia our founders put in place it never referenced slavery in the constitution theres lots of early writings you could tell they had an east they saw a process through which they would work their way out of it but it was not then kalid it quickly feasible for them to do it immediately. Simply because there were people on the other side who were part of that institution that existed globally and sadly in dozens upon dozens of countries around the world today we still have we last labor i would like to see more outrage directed toward that now and this is important. Weve got a government saying dont do as i do do as i say right now and i think the whole chairs thing is stupid thats exactly what were doing in syria shares does exactly what the United States is doing in syria the United States is the government the if we do this this government as family metaphor where George Washington is the father of our country the other is going around the around the world absolute 0 re and violence taking whatever they were threatening the International Criminal court saying we will not be a party of justice earlier on and then they look at home on the children and say you children you better go by the law are you dont you know exactly how i feel about this ive spoken to you many many times about this and you know im in agreement but i really would like to keep it in the confines of domestic i want to get you i mean i was at rangers door in 98 western european and russian history and. I have a great reverence for statues and monuments speakers its. Basically they serve 2 purposes one or another one is. Celebrating a life in one year but others are a warning about what happened in the past as well and i really worry honestly are you worried that if you take all of these offensive stats and however you may want to define it youre going to wipe away history so i really want to say to these protesters and these thugs so you dont want anyone when they dont want the next generation to ever know there was something called the confederacy if there ever was slavery in america see by wiping it away you create a danger of people not knowing it and by you and ricks eating it is well ok i really have i think were intelligence a business good enough to have nuance views on this or even apply explaining ok it just needs your emotional virtue signally is destroying history and that is not a good idea because those that do destroy it pay for it later have become the other thing you have to understand is many of these statues and even some of these flags that were changed were changed in the 1950 s. And sixtys they were put up immediately after the civil war these were responses by people who opposed equality for africanamerican middle attic marty right there where you did you have the book who the label was a serial regardless it was it was the people who did it so the bottom line is when i look at a statue and i say this as you went up as a as a as a as a as a fight back as quick back as a slap in the face to say oh here you guys are fighting for equality or ill tell you what well put up a statue of the beginner guy whos. Clipping when you look girl and her lips were agreeing again we always seem to agree let me go to my twitter you know it whitman girl and it just saying why dont we tell got to the community that this statue was whatever is a real. Thats in the struggle during the civil rights you give it more context and i think people can appreciate the achievements of a Civil Rights Movement if you do that without glorifying the particular subject at hand i think people are more sophisticated in nuance then these bugs in and in rikers give us credit or go ahead. You know his history is difficult to simplify and look to the effort to tear down the. Statue of us he says grant and i thought about the complexity of that i mean here on one hand. Has those attempting to pull down argued he actually did own a slave time he also was putting his entire wife and those of his friends in congress at the time on the line to end the institution of slavery thats a complicated way to see and i think one of the things thats available for us to try not to think in such absolute terms between actually tearing the statues down and weeding them up without any can context as if were indicating these individuals were 100 percent laudable when lived pristine lives i think theres an opportunity to possibly offer. You know some swear of writing her explanation of the context of the time so that is actually serve as this were the educational the a holes that i think are intended to serve us that allows them to continue to exist as a historical example but also allows us to explain the context and that context which was described. Growing there in the use of the direction of some of the confederate statutes by democrats in the south thats you know certainly something worth knowing in the cases where its true and im sure it is true there only are rapidly running out of time where is this all going because you hear your. Forecast about the economy i go. 100 percent i mean and i unfortunately there is no leadership in congress or in the white house in dealing with this a lot of people have just washed their hands a bit and im really worried and at the same time we have this woke ism that is charging our politics at the same time its going to be a hot summer i guess you would agree and you know it comes back the money and i think you know what happens is those people who oppose particular things you know if i oppose this group women on them and if you oppose that group youll blame it on them but when it comes down to it when they try to throw 365000 people out in Los Angeles County alone when you see that kind of mass. Homelessness you know we can discuss it around the edges but youre going to have another tender box and it may not even take arc of a bit im just. Feeling like george it may just explode so im predicting bad things and im connecting it directly to the economic policies of our leaders. Michael last 30 seconds go to you go ahead good news is we do have a very Strong Security blanket in this country for instance medicaid available for individuals without income or assets section 8 Housing Available for homeless without income or assets the stroke which i think was something the president addressed and 16 campaign are is used to have a little bit calmer a little bit of assets but not enough to sort of meet the obligations of the 21st century living so one of so i also believe theres a lot of individuals who are not ruled in these programs maybe not aware of and wanted to be done to make those where and then obviously it just really would run out of time but michael brings up such a great point there are so many people stuck in the middle and i worry about him probably the most as all the time i have and want to thank my guests in philadelphia and in washington and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here argue see you next remember. I think the biggest danger thats come out education as he describes it to it has highlighted the shootin equality that exists and i think one of the things that educationally let each the changes access to the internet for educational purposes needs to be i think to do this that essentially to her rights. Ah no team no crowd. No shots. Actually helps people. No 1st. Point your thirst for action. A grand scope finally holds its delayed victory parades marking the 75th anniversary of the defeat of nazi germany correspondents were right at the heart of the action even on route to grad school. When it comes to weaponry this machine is free to post it for instance it carries guided antitank missiles you can see them over there. In other news British Health care workers on the front line fear they simply wont cope with a massive flow of patients to a 2nd spike in corona virus
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