In c o 2 was 102200 times faster than what the earth experienced during the transition from the last ice age the United Nations estimates this will be augmented by a 40 percent rise in c o 2 emissions in the next 10 years we are now at 417. 00 parts per 1000000 of c o 2 in the air it is believed to be the highest concentration since humans evolved we will embrace a new paradigm 2 for resistance or die joining me to discuss the film and the reaction to it by environmentalists is jeff gibbs so let layout jeff what you i think did quite successfully what you sought to do in the film and i will talk a little bit about how its been attacked and and finally censored forcing you to take it down off of you tube so to just for people who havent seen it and also tell people how they can see it. Talk about what you did well 1st i want to make a nature film i was thinking oh if we only make it so if i dont make a film showing how bad things are finally at long last look at it and friends were telling me no no you sort of know that its bad im like no no im just convinced i could do it so as i make you my d. H. Or someone that kind of maybe the Natural World i began to discover the green energy isnt really what it seems are for scotto solar festival and they say theyre probably not solar and turns out they prior incident generators that generous were enough theyre plugged into the grid so its my journey of everyone let me just interrupt you there because you know if you do that and then 10 years later you go to another solar festival and theres still generators while on the stage theyre announcing that its all powered with solar panels yet dennis hays the founder of earth am and the you know people say oh youve got older units although your documentary stick place over time this is my journey of discovery that every time i peek behind the curtain it wasnt what it seemed to get worse and worse i discover that theres a secret bio mass of bio fuels which are really the alliance your green Energy Around the world and. So it in then. You know what why is this happy why are we in denial and i discover the lay ship of capitalism industrialism and how. Basically shockley to me because i was a hippie in the woods but i could shit you know have these innocent little solar panels but i despair of all or maybe and. How industrial this as a basically without a giant industrial civilization youre not going to have a Nuclear Power plant youre not going to have a solar panel youre not going to have even some of the technology to produce gas and oil is is just so complex now so its really my discovering that were looking. Perhaps as a form of denial to actually instead of understanding that what this civilization industrial civilization the human species were getting limits and were going to crash were in sets kind of hoping that this fantasy will save us and as i discover that im not saying that all environmental leaders are on the take but one of the things that their critics ignore is that the shocking list of things that you dive when you divest from fossil fuels and you invest in supposedly sustainable you wind up investing in big ag you want to investigate and mining and banks and all this that part of them is hardly talked about you know you want to be Bill Mckibben. You know whos you know been a bit a hero to me you know at times onstage with somebody that worked for Goldman Sachs agreeing to help raise 40 to 50 trillion dollars and so you have to ask yourself even if everything we say about renewables is true youre still driving it so powering this industrial civilization this driving us off the cliff so thats my journey of my discovery and really my plea to recognize that the only way. You know weve got to create community weve got to regain control from capitalism industrialism and. You know this this civilization with almost 8000000000 people especially at the level of consumption what that would make romans blush is just its unsustainable and youve written and talked about that but everything i read about civilization to say have an Expiration Date and were in desire that i rise 12 yet so right one of the things that i thought the film did very well was implode the myth that for instance solar panels. Are are in any way going to address the crisis and i didnt know until i saw the film that its not just glass in the process of making solar panels itself is environmentally very destructive just mention that none will go into how the films been attacked sure the traditional the most council of house calls it will take you silicon which ice ozzy and i was on the phone and as a producer we spent years trying to figure out where they got banned and finally we discovered through industry sources it takes rare mind ports and then we discovered that you actually have to put down only you have to use a lot of energy but you have to put coliform of carbon right in the furnace to sit so to process the courts and the same is true of steel and cement all the things a power does your civilisation and all of the socalled alternatives they want to make solar panels without so it can well that you have to use some other toxic material one of them is so toxic that they recommend not putting it on the rooftops so i began to realize theres no easy way out at this level and maybe you realize that a while ago and then the other thing i say about that time is it runs out like Extinction Rebellion extinction isnt just about climate were in this huge biodiversity collapse as well that even if we stop climate thats still going to proceed so really its too much to jam into an hour have come but. Weve tried my best. So the film was savagely attacked i dont think that word is. Hyperbolic by Bill Mckibben head of 350 dot org by the filmmaker josh fox. By nyoman klein fox started an action letter that described the film as dangerous misleading and destructive we wrote an article for the nation with the headline meet the new flak for oil and gas Michael Moore who produced the film with you and call the film unscientific outdated full of false odes and benefiting fossil fuel industry promoters and climate deniers and then on may 28th i think it read and racked up over 8000000 views and over in just over a month they got the pressure so you tube removed the film they justified taking down the film youve since put up a different version. They justified taking it down because of. What they said was a 4 2nd piece of footage that supposedly violated copyright laws. And thats what i found so disturbing. Is that the censorship of the film being cheered on by the left. And of course major digital platforms have already marginalized or banished many of us including myself on the left. And so talk a little bit about the response and then lets go into the censorship because Michael Moore is a very well known filmmaker were not talking about you know these outliers like alex jones yes really. And what you went through is really. Just mainly what others went through. You know youre a fantastic author ive learned so much from you and. Its just frightening to think about what happens to people who dares step outside of the country. To be accused of profiles of those you know. Anyone Pay Attention might realize fahrenheit 911. 00 is about this god awful horrible war for oil and Corporate Power weve we literally feared for our lives all making that its hard to look back on a time out but we kept our drapes closed. Because of the saudis and the bin ladens of the oil companies. You know that the bushes i mean you name it and that you know i cant tell you the anguish making a film like that put us through it and so the ironic thing to me is that. You know what were showing you and everybodys got the right to their own opinion and their own stories i believe that this false promise that renewables are going to displace. Fossil fuels as lead us to a situation where which where you describe with the possible you use just keeps going up and up and up and that happens for a couple reasons its both because of as you see in a company intermittency which we tend to laugh op is such a profound issue in michigan solar only can produce about 30 percent of the Available Energy you know so if theyre rated at 100. 00 watts they can only produce like 30 percent of that because of the interment c so what we want to happen is a whole array of natural gas class plants being built out. And so you dont see a decrease and worse because nobody calls out the growth in the capitalistic expansion the imperialism that you talk about we do the machine just keeps growing so we got nuclear we didnt get off color while we just kept using it and if it everything they say was true about solar and wind we would just this machine would just keep using more and consuming more and what they dont want to talk about is that all around the world weeks are going to a new form of imperialism. You know almost slavery in the form of mining and we really underestimate the amount of money thats happening on this planet and especially in the Southern Hemisphere where we cant see it you know lithium iron copper cobalt as you see all quickly in the film these are really contribute 10 percent of Global Energy emissions the energy needed for mining. So its just you know like the censorship the attacks were both dismaying and the same time kind of like. They didnt realize what a threat the movie is to them josh fox started the attacks on us with a lot he said that our distributor pulled the file. We were the only distributors through you tube so even the film for action that he said pulled the film called him and said thats not true. And he still kept it going i got picked up in usa today i dont know if you found this and i want to talk a little bit about what it is i think you attacked and i and i think that these people are. And i know all of them i think theyre in the business of selling hope theyre not in the business of speaking truth. And its a false hope as your film i think correctly documents. But i wondered if you could comment on that because when youre in the business of selling hope thats a form of advertising and in many cases a form of moral posturing and self promotion yes selling hope you know this is i think hope weirdly enough is what happens in the Business World you know if you get a job for a corporation or a company or a logging company or. You know which of a company you know they dont want to hear the problems they want to hear the solutions and its it might sound weird to people thats amazingly corporate to be focused on the hope. Its also allows us to just keep doing what were doing. And i think thats a problem that were just going to keep doing so we got off the cliff but i heard that all making the film was all you got to give people hope and i think i learned this from you is that you know when. To stuff a city in the family you can make a plan based on reality if you dont make a plan based on reality youre wont. So i actually think this one also cool thing you know i would agree i always feel that you know i dont believe in manipulating information to sell hope. But of course especially given the climate crisis. It is it is dark foreboding and frightening were going to take a break when we come back well continue our conversation with director geoff gibbs about his film planet of the humans. D International memorial awards has extended its deadline for submissions. All media professionals are eligible whether you are a freelance journalist work for alternative media who are a part of the global News Platform you can submit to your published works in either video pool format go to award go to auntie dot com and in to now. Welcome back to on contact we continue our conversation with director jeff gibbs about the film he made with Michael Moore planet of the humans. So before the break we were talking about that notion of selling hope and i think youre right that it you know its its that mania for hope that infects American Culture and very easily slides into self delusion and illusion which i think given the just catastrophic failure of the Environmental Movement i read the statistics that the opening of the show. Is it is counterproductive to everything that we want but talk a little bit about because the as you pointed out the attacks were vicious and personal but by laying this information out its not just that you shattered this narrative positive hopeful happy narrative that we can you know when when miller when farm our way out of this. But i think also the film. Said something about the prominent most prominent environmentalists that at its core probably triggered most of the anger what was that i think its just seeing them in their relationships with the billionaires and theyre in our Corporate Leaders and i think dont think that this talk about enough you know we dont see just dont kill we see or you know for me to partnership with david glug a former c. E. O. Certain Perlman Sachs we formed a partnership before an inconvenient truth. Like that part of the films every been mentioned as a how come thats the conflict of interest want to want to be set up to profit from the film that youre making and not even reveal that and i think people have tried to talk about gores relationship in this property from the us and it just gets blown up Bill Mckibben whos on many wonderful things but i think he took a wrong turn once youre on stage with a man from go up the same man from Goldman Sachs and youre promising to lead the charge for one thing. For both gore and the cabinet once you make that commitment that prevents you from being a free thinker was a sierra club forms a partnership with Michael Bloomberg it does Michael Bloomberg it changes the sierra club it change does Bill Mckibben get change or does a billionaire if it changed i think what however well intended we want to get it changed. You know theres so many ridiculous attacks or not like we never i never accused the mckibbin of taking money i dont know what his finances are but i do know that the people your relationship with the facts you deeply ive seen people at universities and the youve probably seen this in your lifetime as a consolation people off the reasons why they lay off their lower people cause all that their friends from among other things ive seen were to college or they laid off you know tons and tons of students and faculty and staff rather than lay off one Vice President you know who could begin to say the same amount of money. So yeah im just stunned that they dont see you nobodys talking about. Bill mckibben in the sierra club promoting these dream Investment Funds and then they contain the very banks including black rock. The sierra club and the 350. 00 have campaigns against them they include the very Biomass Plants you know even as we wrapped up the film 2102020 these funds still contain these giant biomass. Operations weyerhaeuser the blocky company and this one in florida im blanking on the name right now but this cited by the sierra club in their op ed saying that they hate biomass so you know i take them at their words enough so they also they also dont like showing Bill Mckibben endorsing a small Biomass Plant in the Military College my point is if youre one of the environmental leaders of the planet and you happen to endorse a small clean coal plant nobody would think that was a one off. Something mckibben writes are all weve heard about that are out. Mckibben writes in Rolling Stone on that issue and says that yes you are right he did endorse it but then he changed his position and you did note that how would you respond because the double messaging of the Environmental Movement is noted in the file that they say one thing and they do another if you really. They offer very Biomass Plant your door to be closed if youre a guest pole youre going to copper topass to be coal close youre not just going to write an op ed so that theres kind of agreement there were 100. 00 something models about how that was going to be affected 100. 00 of them contained biomass and biofuels you know just this last few months the democratic bills before congress for clean energy contained bio mass abuse so biomass this at all this you know theres no visible opposition to this so to me it was just a cia thing to write these op eds in the syrup of the same thing so thats it was noted that there is a mixed. Message about biomass and i thought that was sufficient because if you the mckibben right now if you want to actually be against biomass join us in closing down and removing these from all the legislations around the world and have 350 put it on the top of their platform then well look would begin the conversation lets talk a little bit about what are what we do have to do in order to save ourselves from this impending eco side of you open the film asking the question at this point whether its possible Clive Hamilton lovelock others have come to the conclusion that its not were finished especially since so much heat is stored in the oceans you know even if we stop all carbon admissions today which isnt happening. Carbon emissions will continue to rise. Exponentially but but i mean i think what the film does well is lay out the crisis that faces us and how little or no time we have left. But talk about what we you know what we do have to do what the kinds of things we should be doing yeah i purposely dont go into a lot of specifics in the phone because to me breaking the spell that this climate this Environmental Movement the. An embed with Corporate America is going to save us as a 1st shot the next astute to really come to terms with accepting that were in the end game right now and if youre not human collapses already the deal across the planet weve lost 90 percent of the large fish in the ocean theres a study in germany 75 percent of insects died off like 30 years so i really do think its true that the Extinction Rebellion is probably the closest to accepting that extinction is real its happening and once we begin that i think we have to work on multilevel so i mean theres where is a Un Climate Conference that actually talks about how were going to end growth you know that. That discussion doesnt happen even though people will speak about growth and Everybody Knows this truth is not part of the conversation so i actually think the 1st up is making it part of conversation but here where i live in Northern Michigan you know we go up we put up windows and solar panels but we were not yet at the airport doubled in size you know the traffic has tripled here so both on the macro level and on the local level weve got away from really funky. For what we used to fight for this induction machine has to be slowed well up to that. It will cross the planet and theres so many local battles what were doing is like the monarch butterflies are tied up you know wheres a campaign to not. Have laws anymore or to not be plowing up the roadside is just i think its a way a callback to what many of us have known in our environmental origins but we got away from if you want to suppress your money going to but you might use you know buy a plant that could be set aside better yet by a plant that Indigenous People could take over many of the right way you know manage live live you know cooperate of lee whats up hopefully will deal this down the road is a good question but i think what im dismayed is that you cant youre not even allowed to have a story. A story out there questioning. You know whether the dhamma story is true and thats extremely frightening to me because weve been weve tried to we submitted op eds to many mais republication people turned away newsweek wrote an attack piece they refused to acknowledge our. Response several liberal web sites i dont know if you read this but i was shocked they wont print this so were hoping what will come out is not just the our leadership but. Many of these people if not all of them receive funding from the same big foundations rockefellers. Was the one in sweden the Rasmussen Foundation thats mentioned in the film with the the mic and stumbles over. Were all in bed with our billionaires directly or indirectly in the Environmental Movement one of the things you confront is population growth and you have a graph in the film you know that population had remained steady in till the industrial revolution. And that also is kind of an anathema for the left yeah thats. Whats ironic about it clearly population is actually ive been put the Population Movement does not talk about consumption does not talk about grow industrial growth or is not enough and so i actually look at the population because thats just a biological reality that everything from the United Nations reports to the w w f acknowledges this this growth but i actually added in the consumption on top of it to show that thats what tenshi to that you know by from a factor of 10 to a factor of 100 and i think thats where we need to start with dealing with this growth machine and in the short term we have enough resources to take care of everyone and i think population will take care of itself if we do a better job of taking care of people i want to. And by talking about the danger of this kinds of censorship because when the left cheers doesnt historically what they dont realize is that theyre the primary target that its always you know those figures or energies on the fringes that are attacked and used as a justification for shutting down discourse and i kind of see that happening with you and Michael Moore yeah i mean if i wasnt for michael i think wed be in big trouble because this is my 1st film and im not a public figure you know were still waiting for the you tube to decide you know what to do it and our options are limited use seems like the internet opens things up but youve got you tube video people barely heard of which is subject to the same kind of rules youve got what facebook i mean where do we go other than assembly somewhere to do this you know overseas or something and some server and just to be clear these 4 seconds that were claiming that was of a rare earth mine in china thats at the core of where all of our mother and i try to come from and show this toxic lake stretching to the horizon. The fact that we cant show that is is painful and its its kind of frightening in a way because thats at the heart of the solution but if we cant fair use that word were not going to go to china right im not going to go to china of again let us in to film this lake. So the we cant use this little piece of history is a horrible horrible president. And then read large would be shut out just to get our responses out that that is shocking you can go to our web site find out the humans we posted many of them but weve got to do something about this and i invite people to emails from the website or from facebook or whatever at least weve got to break this i dont know how we break it chris youve been victimized by the same. And there are all Google Facebook there already twitter using algorithms to shut people such as myself out i mean that this is a process thats already begun and of course which you have now experience. Thanks jeff that was jeff gibbs director of the film planet for the humans. Plus need to build the star you know when weve been able to molest thats alessi it is possible to prevent you. From regular morgue or your own or your partner are going to be moving through the art. And. Water source i. Q. Herbalists lucifer mistletoe is just that in the gutter and im just nobody it is not my achievement mr davies our 5 year of plans were conceived but indeed and carried out by the people themselves if they would produce or even flirted with the idea of making a film like this theyd probably be branded as crazy. That was the sentiment during the war the soviets were brave heroes resisting nazis thats going to change of course after the war but once the cold war begins. I. Little little thing that flew with this is. Really what is strictly. The business and. How would i define hollywood is they call it a dream anything which of these true but i think equally its a problem in the film. 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