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C p reverend james wood also rightfully observed this is not the 1st time a black man has been killed for sleeping. Just 48 hours later after the wendys burned in the protesters had to add yet another name to that now growing list of lives lost to Police Violence the world celebrated the birthday of legendary revolutionary ernesto shig levada whose observations on what drives the rebellion still ring true today that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love it is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality but the words in legacy of shared with our it isnt the only past revolutionary whose spirit you can feel in the fabric of the protests we are witnessing today and whose birthday we celebrate this week across the country and the world from new zealand to philadelphia to poxy coupers 998 anthem changes has become one of the many featured songs that have made up the soundtrack to these protests in fact changes actually jumped to the top of i tunes top 100 in early june reaching as high as the 25th spot born quite literally out of the black Panther Party in the 1970 s. And later becoming one of the legendary hiphop voices representing the struggle of black america in the 1980 s. And ninetys once quoted as saying im not saying im going to rule the world or im going to change the world but i guarantee you that i will spark the brain that will change the world and thats our job is to spark somebody else watching us. As we celebrate the birthday of these 2 great revolutionary voices whose time was cut short by assassination i think we can safely say the manifestation of their spirits live on in the fight for equality that we are witnessing today and that my friends is where we will start watching the hawks. If you want to know whats going on in the city streets. That are so youd like to see the crisis you always just state and see a drone strikes mass graves suggests least systemic deception is the late show which would be so when the guild is. Welcome or when watching the hawks i am i robot into it and joining us today to talk about the latest news on the protests in the fall out of a murder or a sharp brooks. Is that in the matter black eyes are on that and the legacies a 2 part of our is author and salon dot com editor at large d. Walk ins along with him is writer journalist and watching orc social media producer springer thank you both for joining us today. But if youre all right here we are at the height of change and protests in the United States probably the kind not seen in this country since the 1960 s. And early seventys and yet during all of this we have yet another killing of a black man by a Police Officer under ludicrous circumstances at best devon youve lived in atlanta what are your thoughts on this latest shooting. Well you know lana is really my home thats where i was raised and i cant stress enough that this is not a new problem that whats happening to brooks is actually in a long line of Police Killings in atlanta weve had be the Police Killing of anthony hill Alexia Christian Kathryn Johnston oscar cain who was actually a Community Organizer was killed by police just last year so. Its very hard us on from atlanta to see this moment and to see so many people just now realizing that this mythical black mecca that were told atlanta is is actually not the case i think for those of us who live there weve known for a while that thats not the case but i think the rest of the country is realizing that the image that people like the mayor keesha lance bottoms try to put out to the world that lances the safe utopia for black people and we have rappers like killer mike in seattle who go on t. V. Calling lance what and i think were seeing that sort of narrative crumble in front of our eyes and as someone who is a child in atlanta i never thought that we would have a day where the mythical black mecca of atlanta is finally coming to an end this idea of it being a Perfect Place and even looking at this specific case with a rashard brooks there is video of it of course thats very heartbreaking to watch but it makes this call to defund the police even more urgent because imagine if the person who came to ray shards car was not armed officer but was a Mental Health professional or even was someone whose job is to get people home when theyre out and theyre intoxicated right theres a multitude of other options other than police that could have went to a race shard in that wendys parking lot and we wouldnt be where we are today with this situation so i think that his case is so heartbreaking but it also makes people understand the urgency of this call its a defund the police and think on a larger scale about what police do do you want your thoughts on the recent shooting death of overinsured. Wow i. Totally. Agree with everything devin just said and i think that this is that it just shows the world how. I dont want to cause people stupid but how Stupid Police offices can actually be i mean lets just lets just say that were trying to give Police Officers some type of benefit which they dont deserve in a situation or in most situations but lets just lets just say here is they were trying to do that ok you stop a guy who sleep in his car right when you go up to him on you pull him out the car you guys have a conversation he gives you the taser any one of the ok cool that doesnt equal murder like for those phases you have to be 25 so 1st of all if somebody a drunk person probably cant you wouldnt say theyre from 25 feet away so the fact that you thought deadly force was the only option shows a tremendous disconnect between Police Officers and communities and people who know they know that if that was a white person he would be allowed right now they would have booked them he would have got processed you know a little bail whatever came home and then he would have a day in court like he deserves because those are the rules but supposed to abide by in this country and its just its sad its just disgusting its like these kind of do they even have like that and then that theyve been watching the news do they know the climate that were in right now so its just you know its some fortunate. And i agree with you 100 percent being a member of a white sorority i have seen people who have been passed out wasted and have done some crazy things involving Police Officers one of my friends actually slapped a woman and not only did she not get booked she didnt get charged with anything they just made sure that she got home ok so im right there with you on that one. I have a question. This week were celebrating the birthdays the bells shake america and talks of course where hearing tupac music during the marches and were seeing his songs chart again pretty heavily how do you think pop legacy influence todays activism. You know i think that. Pocket music will always always be relevant because he has so many messages against defunding the police and the problems that they cause now communities and how racism is used as a tool to pot the school i went to. The people who were supposed to be educating me on this but to talk actually watch out about the problems that exist within america in dealing with politicians and dealing with Police Offices in time or for instance on changes when doing an introduction and then theres a lot in changes im not going to use any profanity but im just going to get my previous t. V. Friendly version but its cops dont care about a negro pull the trigger kill a black person hes a hero so the same thing has been going on the same thing has been going on since i was so much out just to fuck with this much out so you know pocket the forever relevant and those that energy and then able to leverage really just an address an attack this system is the reason why so many young artist still quote has lasted a day and. When they go out to create music so he is a magical person in the in the you know he had magical language doesnt you know shame of our faces become an iconic image of revolution and change but but his work and legacy is more than just a picture on a t. Shirt or a parade has had his legacy influence this kind of rebellion against oppression and racism as well that the same as pox or in a different way than we are saying today. Oh absolutely i think that someone might shake of air and 2 factions who are are cut from a different a different class than the rest of us right like they have inspired millions of people around the world whether i am in havana cuba or in palestine or in jamaica theres murals of these 2 individuals all over the place theres people who resonate with their message i mean especially right now in this covert pandemic the very people forget he was a physician and the reason why cuba has such a successful medical industry right now is because he works to establish a medical medical sort of industry that included people who live in rule areas a lack of neighborhoods and the poorest neighborhoods across the island so his message was one of bringing everybody into health care everybody into a society that was more just he actually said you should shrimp bull with indignation at the sight of injustice meaning racism sexism homophobia exploitation should literally make you so mad youre trembling and this is actually the kind of thinking that he had as he was helping to establish the cuba that there is today where theres free healthcare for everyone right and i think we can say the same about 2 thoughts or course he was raised by a genie sure couper who was one of the baddest in a good way one of the best black panthers that ever came from the black Panther Party is his godmother was a side issue poor who is in cuba right now so these 2 characters have have animated the life of movements across the world for generations and they will continue to do so. I want to quickly ask one question when were going to go to break but who to use a juicy figures like that coming out figures like sherry figures like to park coming out of the Current Movement the word that no ones talking about yet but we will be talking about 20 years from will be. That i think that you know our i think that there are figures. That are emerging right now and people have good reason to be suspicious of some of the figures whose messages dont align with what the masses in the streets are actually saying but i think one thing that this movement has been good about doing is not making celebrities out of people are feeling that everyone has the be the next. Because if thats what youre going for thats not what youre going to be so i think we will look back on history and maybe 5 or 10 years and be able to point the key individuals who did help get the police defunded who dig create change in different cities but i think right now in the moment it might be too hard to necessarily say. Finish up or quit. A lot of people are. Not happy with some of the bigger movements that get a lot of p. D. F. Attention so they just like people are becoming. Like you know Something Like the bigger organization. For some of the bigger figures who are trying to break the movement but theres a lot of people im speaking from my small town theres a lot of underground people who are doing. Community racism to make sure our students have something to look forward to when i think i think i dont know if those people im going to get the praise they deserve or history but. I couldnt i couldnt agree more i want to thank you both for coming on and educating our audience today about whats currently happening and also about these 2 amazing figures. Thank you so much the always a pleasure. Thank you thank you. All right as we go to break remember that you can also start watching the hawks on the man through the brand new portable t. V. App which is now available on all platforms any platform you can think of you will climb portable t. V. All right everybody coming up with calls to beep on the Police Painted on protest signs across the country and now some cities possibly following through we examine the push to be fun with max author of take back. Stay tuned to watch the. Live. Well heres the funny thing about that in this economy in america is that when a rich person falls on debt credit calls or credit you know they are all money it costs and 0 or negative in the case of many people they get paid to borrow money as we saw it jamie dimon and j. P. Morgan person who are disadvantaged are typically a minority person or particularly a black person is drawing credit or charge 2025304050 percent 60 percent of payday loan thats 2000 percent. Join me every thursday on the elec simon chill and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. He said he had to quit. For good. But on the better side going to. The so let me just. Move i mean she must go if you will still east of course the muscles from the. Business to. Go chill the fuck should. We think she minds be soldier to piss off the boots shes wearing. To church so the soul looks can move the opposing opinion with you im going to shows to her that summarizing the police force. Defun the Police Politicians and individuals on the right think its preposterous could lead to anarchy and is an all out assault on law and order but foam on the left sided equally problematic Congressional Black Caucus leader and House Majority whip James Clyburn said nobody is going to defund the police we cant restructure Police Forces restructure restructure reimagined policing. Funny thing is that the fact we would be fun the Police Actually meets thousands of protesters across the country have come together to demand changes in policing following the death of george boyd Rianna Taylor richar brooks and general ration of blacks whove lost their lives to overzealous policing. The idea of defunding the police isnt new at all nor did it actually originate from black lives matter the calls have rung out for decades especially in the nations most over police and underserved communities the one the police doesnt mean eliminating all Police Funding it means police will not be overfunded it means redistributing city budgets the phone the police means narrowing Police Services because Police Officers arent Mental Health counselors theyre not medical professionals they arent Education Specialist most police and calls in america are for nonviolent offenses. Officers are being deployed daily to address homelessness Mental Health episodes School Disruptions and parking tickets. All things that police are not necessarily the best equipped to train to do well maybe the parking Ticket Police Department Budgets have exploded largely due to the war on drugs and the war on terror today Police Budgets swallows city allocations preventing funding of services that actually do reduce crime like Economic Development programs Education Services Mental Health and housing reports currently Police Departments of major cities in america are funded in the billions billions with the b. New york city near 6000000000. 00 l. A. In chicago near 1800000000. 00 just think of how much cities could benefit if just a fraction of those funds 20 percent were allocated to services that actually have hiring for vention strategies that work isnt it time we invest in these strategies and dont leave the bodies of black dying in the streets joining us now is macro author of take back the land welcome back. Thank you with policing budgets in the billions and communities still failing and falling hard under the weight of intimate poverty and systemic racism why do you think deep on the police is such a polarizing term were seeing a lot of hate thrown from both sides of the aisle on this one and what do you think could be done to change that narrative. Well 1st im not sure thats from both sides of the aisle is certainly is from some democrats and and some who oppose the concept would be called on the right im not sure most democrats would be called the left strictly speaking but with that said i think that that any time people who are oppressed want to do one of 2 things either group move or one of the tools that the oppressors have available to them to maintain oppression or if they want to reimagine the society in a new way they want to think about suicide it wage then those who are either the direct oppressors will who benefit from the system of oppression often feel some kind of way about people who normally are not in power thinking for themselves and reacting for themselves with that said my organization Pan African Community action were really impressed and hopeful about this moment and what that calls for defunding need in terms of people of reimagining the society were not calling for defund we are calling for Community Control over police not for defund the police we think thats an important distinction at this time it is an important distinction i want to ask you know what because one of the big issues i was there is the Mental Health issues you know because like mental help still these men to homelessness programs suffer from a menace budget you know policing budgets are going to lose like theyre the ones or suffer when youre poor all this money and the police americas priorities to me seem to be very misplaced what makes policing more of a priority than homelessness a Mental Health even when we know that the vast majority of those arrested actually fall into those categories of being homeless or suffering from Mental Health issues. Well its not really the function of police to take care of those issues its the function of police to serve the interests of those who are in charge and to protect the wealth of those who are in charge and you cant really serve their interests or protect their wealth by taking care of people who have Mental Health issues or people who are poor or lifting up the lives. Of those who knew that those wealthy people require to deliver to them cheap labor so those things have to be in place and the only way they can really be in place is to have a an active an even over active police force and thats to see in the United States. And in your view what is Community Policing look like and how can you be implemented effectively we think that there are various different comments from various different places about Community Policing and what it actually looks like on the ground what do you think is actually affecting Community Policing and where some of the areas where currently having trouble. So just so its clear were not advocating Community Policing were advocating come unity control over police for us the important distinction in the importance. Of the center of this moment is not relatively speaking how much the police get if they get to 50 percent of the budget of 40 percent of the budget and 30 percent of the budget the real question for for us is who is in charge with the Police Responding to whats happening now when youre seeing why people. Call the police when they see any kind of what they think of as a transgression from a black person and effectively using the police as their own personal force the police are coming and they are enforcing that these people who were seeing on social media in these viral videos they dont just come up with these ideas on themselves this isnt the 1st time the thought of it theyve been raised theyve had years and years of this experience at the police is their way of controlling poor black people and poor brown people thats their experience in life its not this do learning it as are seeing this on on you tube so the real question for us is not how much funding does the police get although that is a real question the real question for us is who is the Police Actually working for and we want the police to be working for low income black communities that we can determine how they respond to situations in our community and really protect us rather than focusing on protecting the interests of the wealthy. Let me ask you with a show here is our issue is not marginal. You know i think you bring up some great points there that i can agree with you more i couldnt agree more let me ask you this would it help if you saw more police or you know Law Enforcement i guess whatever more call it come from the communities that they are supposed to be protecting and serving. I think if that would work then we would see in other words if there were more black police and that would solve some of these problems if that were an actual thing that what we would see is wherever there were black police in majority white neighborhoods there would be instances of Police Brutality of black police against white police but the the key factor is not the race of the police the key factor is who everyone knows without even having to over say it who the police work for if you were to get a black Police Officer who in his bones hated white people he still would not brutalize white women and white men because he knew he couldnt get away with it and at the same way if you have a black Police Officer who doesnt hate black people but is working in a Police Department that is responsible for containing low income black communities then the black officer either has to actively participate in the brutalization of black people who supposedly doesnt 8 or he has to look the other way as the brutalization takes place right in front of his eyes were seeing that happen all of the time so in that respect the real issue here isnt the real question is whos in charge whos in power and were sorting that during this moment in history this is our opportunity to shift power and to have a Security Force a safety force that actually works for the communities that theyre in and that in that way doesnt really matter what color the police are if they know that by putting their hands on black people theyre going to face the consequences then they would not put their hands up like exactly exactly delphine does the piece you just spoke about also include things like that that if it were me boys or thing more and more 30 that are are going to have those now and a ticker point is really high do you think that that would actually be effective. So reviewing someone else who is in power is one thing so if someone has the power and that im granted the ability to look over their. Shoulder or to review what theyre doing thats one thing but thats not what were asking for here were saying that we shouldnt just be granted the op to the over someones shoulder and review what theyre doing we should be telling them what to do and when theyre not doing what were saying they should do then we should have the ability to remove them so were not talking about review at this point if we were to secure Community Control over police then review boards will be support for this so just be extra will be just a review on top of power so theres no review board inside of the Police Department the police chief doesnt get a review board because the Police Chiefs in charge and the Police Department is in charge of itself so what were looking at really looking for is power and theres a growing movement to secure Community Control of police in addition to our local organization and African Community action we also have the National Association against racism political repression i was just started in the 1900 read launched as a National Network and the primary campaign of that network is to have Community Control over the police all across the United States now i can say i got to say thank you so much for coming on and educating our viewers on what that looks like that Community Control please once again max rameau author of type back the land thank you so much for joining us today sir truly a pleasure having you on. Thank you. Man theres a lot of interesting ideas floating out there absolutely i mean i wasnt necessarily as familiar with the Community Process that he was speaking of either the part about Community Policing but what hes describing is something entirely different and its interesting taking the power back to him bringing him back into the community was aware this was thats thats powerful interesting interesting dynamics look to see if that plays out absolutely all right everybody that is our show for you today remember in this world we are not told that we are loved and up so i tell you all love i robot and im of the people watching all those hawks out there and have a great day and night it. Was needed National Blood to start and then i went the village unless thats all a sit in class with a president you spew also his her from the regular morgue your own or your partner are going to be moving through right. Now oh oh oh oh. Oh oh no water source i. Q. 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