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A restricted form of inquiry under Justice Henry bar on the inquiry found in his own careful words and despite london refusing to cooperate with the inquiry that the case for collusion was neither fanciful nor absurd. Crucially however for the families bereaved by other glennon martyrs north of the border byron published a full appendix listing the ballistic links between other key attacks. After publication of the barn report it became obvious that there was still no response from the state. Very serious allegations of criminality where knock on the investigated that there was going to be no response and so we decided that we should respond we should bring people in and their National Figures so we approached a number of people u. N. Investigators who were to el salvador people whod worked on the set off Interest Commission and others academics lawyers peoples experience and we invited them to ireland and i asked them to look at the evidence to me was whistleblowers to meet with families to meet with p. S. And i was seated on many others and a troll their own conclusions to draw up their own report the International Panel report which is what they did and for us it was a very valuable experience to have people from outside the jurisdiction come here look at the evidence and come to their own conclusions. 10 years ago from 2004 to 2006 i had the privilege of chairing an independent International Inquiry into potential collusion by British Security forces into. Paramilitary killings of catholics in Northern Ireland. They certainly were not a few bad apples there are a significant number. Agents from within the e. U. See the u. D. R. Who were involved directly in these killings who are in collusion with them. And their activities their illegal activities according to the evidence we received. To their immediate superiors putting a number of chief inspectors inspectors where we were not able to ascertain if. The chain of command this went we do know that senior authorities in london. Information that should have caused them to further investigations of this collusion in Northern Ireland we found no no indication that they took that obligation seriously. The next big step change came when they historically Inquiries Team was set up to investigate all the unsolved of the conflict which quickly. All. The conflicts and within that organization. There was a special team to investigate claims of collusion the state was allegedly involved in it was headed by a particularly intelligent determined detective. A full review number of most of those. Involved. There was already have been some degrees of collusion. And. Directly involved but as the review concern yours we found out more. About the. I was involved in some of those cases. The one case that totally surprised me was the the fatal bombing of the step in in august launching 76 people were killed where there was overseen by. Police officers. That really flabbergasted me by the lack of response from the only you see. It was quite evident from the outside looking in that certain in so this material and documents that elements of the all you see knew that some of their offices were planning and eventually carried out the final time of the step in so many others which are. Suspecting customers who are inside. What its incomprehensible to me. But they all use a. Level were aware that a bombing was being carried out and in fact the bombing of the. Knowing who was responsible and knowing who they were they still did nothing about it. None of those officers were arrested until 1978 and even then my words were arrested specifically for the step in they were arrested for other matters. So from the 976 until december 19th. The all you see did nothing. For us to step in bombing was the smoking gun because although we believe that it was very similar to a lot of other attacks in the clans there is the difference with the step in was the Historical Enquiries Team under steve morris managed to find all the paperwork. Which shows that that. What the authorities had known about. The plan leading up to the step in the carrying out of the bombing itself and the fact is that although they knew every Single Person whod been involved in the planning the old coordination the determining of the target the making of the bomb the storing up the bomb everything then you everybody and everything about this ball despite that and spite the fact that 2 people were killed and the huge number of other people were very seriously engines not one Single Person was of a charged or convicted without bombing despite the i. E. C. Knowing everything about it. The more we realize we all those years were easier of course. Devastated as jim came through we better. Relief. That i had gone on a cord. Because i knew the army was there check the whole thing i need to check this cone of pharma and its orders. And their army and the Police Rather than copy argentina bonior. And known as the are you question. And question on the haiti tito british one thing that there was this survey of. The mid afternoon and you had bowman there for years show this did committed the murder that is not just order. And wait your partner changed the bed. Only part of the inquest put forward and no more time age. Oh no what they dont. It was clear deals for c. In the individual reports or call it from start to Inquiries Team what we were looking at here was over. Coordinated attacks. Some of the same people used the same weapons same farmhouses same high same modus operandi or working together and truly understand what was happening and who needed to be looked at as a whole the daily thing else would be to each individual attack to individualize it which didnt tell the bigger story the story that was understood a play said quarters that was understood as Army Headquarters at the time that these were coordinated actions and indeed that some members of the Security Forces were taking part in these attacks and so we said to the cittie that the only way to properly understand this was to produce an overarching report they agreed they began to work on it but it was never completed was never delivered. When we think the. Overall overarching. Thematic report. Within the pearson because. The conclusions would have been just too strong it would have essentially made the case. And in fact it would have amounted to recognition confirmation collusion existed within the Security Forces in this particular sector in the conflict i suppose politically for many many other reasons just comfortable for many people for the british government. Pulling out of the overarching report really is just unacceptable for the. Fundamental elements of my report would have been for these questions to be almost how is it a group of place officers. Know that they can go back to a farm where there is a bomb in a car having been on the survivors and yet they know they can go back the following. And the bomb goes off well dive in the confidence that they were not going to be apprehended there and then. Or someone to stice for me that is the biggest question that needs to be answered. Desperate to get to the truth before some of the elderly bereaved relatives die steve morris is on answered questions were put before the courts and. Their lawyers challenged the haiti failure to provide the thematic that they were promised. Amongst the legal exhibits provided to the high court was a copy of on cadwallader as lethal allies the 1st time any such group was accepted as a legal exhibit in the northern courts. In july 27 tane the courts delivered a stunning victory for the families ordering the chief constable to come up within weeks with an inseparable independent fully resourced report to fulfil its e. T. S. Prompts. Humiliated the chief constable the pain despite objections from the bereaved families 11 of whom it passed away since the court case began. Its been alone hard on for the families today it honest was a scream very disappointment that the overarching report that would have pulled ever come together and made all the connections and wasnt being completed to there. How important is today for the. Importance frustrating yesterday it was disappointing you have your ups and downs equally in the story but i know that however that frustration and sadness is sneek there are people all. Youll have lost families who are getting up this morning wondering if this is going to be a good day and they finally get some justice. So these days you never know what the courts are going to decide but theres no doubt about it in the 3 months since groundbreaking picture in the courts on the 28th of july 27th jean although the p. S. And i in the state were ordered by the judge to negotiate with us and come forward with a green route to an inquiry and a report weve just discovered that they have done nothing. Absolutely nothing so if youre an individual or a citizen and youre ordered to do something by course you have to do it because somehow if your police force and youre all by courts to something you can get away with doing nothing for at least 3 months and if they decide to appeal today which is possible it could delay everything right here some of our family members are also ill they might be here and am just see the report that they wish to and thoughtless and not come into existence. The simple things workshops and. Public spaces where adults with learning disabilities can engage on equal terms with creative activities like graphics soong ceramics. And joinery. Just giving you shit what you would. You know but just what did you give one case a couple of. The underlying idea of the workshop is a calendar of which the film thrilled to find joy in Little Things and. Gets. Some control from middle class to. 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Is a hugely pivotal day for the families and their faith for justice for 2 reasons the 1st one the courthouse and the rare move ordered that they play should no take action on complete the report that was promised to all of these families the 2nd issue is that it is an unprecedented move the court has asked for the place to provide often even evidence compelling and setting a way they have not given any notes or records as to why this decision was taken the reality is this decision has been made clear by the court is as irrational but only awful by tame that justice was no longer delayed to the follies of going on and i just was done in the peace completed the support without any endless litigation. Almost 4 years since we started this case and. I have watched family members from doug and pos way on the other family members thats are at the going on serious pasta. For the families their spin on emotional torture a sick a lot logical torture. And its near tame that. George hamilton relays that enough is enough on the day of the dinosaur are you c. D. s are over to have a proper place in the house to be a furnace and justice thank you. Ever. Since fall weve identified says people who were involved in the murders of 120 past people who are members of the circle Security Forces weve named most of them and there may be others we dont know of very few spend a day in jail now thats too many people over short few he is involved in 120 murders in one geographic small geographical area to be explainable by the bad apples larry as far as the victims were concerned they would just come ashleigh. Damage in what was a state systemic policy of collusion now as far as the family is a concern and they have the right to truth and justice some want apology and acknowledgment others want day in court will support whatever they choose. Well its amazing how the truth comes art is charged by rich city that said it comes like go down to the door. 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Little people think that hollywood is a free place but only what is strictly defined by one side of the business and the other side is idealist. How would i define hollywood is they call it a dream manufacture which i thinks true but i think equally its a propaganda fact. Welcoming our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is r. T. U. K. The u. K. Lowers its coded 19 alert level as the Prime Minister hints that to reach a social distancing could also be relaxed. But that the government review into social distancing threatens to derail a july reopening for the pubs and restaurants ill be talking to a pub owner planning to open the doors regardless. Thousands of student nurses who signed up to work on the grown a virus front line have been told their contracts will end early and they feel betrayed i cant get my head around why because were students it is acceptable i do believe its father so i want to be acknowledged it should be acknowledged in a better way it shouldnt be. Very. Local doctors are increasingly losing faith in the governments response to the pandemic frankest a Virus Testing delays and long term breach scandals but since Public Health experts criticised the u. K. For not recording competent virus cases. On the u. K. s borrowing source to a record high as the debt exceeds the entire economy for the 1st time in office century and tax receipts for the treasury along all that the reaction of a tax expert. The u. K. Has downgraded its covered 900 level from 4 to 3 speculation grows that the Prime Minister could cut the social distancing rule from 2 meters but the chief medical officers from all 4 of the u. K. s home nations also warn against complacency amid fears of localized virus outbreaks well for more on this job. Talk us through that. What the lowering of the level actually means so what weve seen today is the decision by the chief medical officer of England Wales Northern Ireland and scotland really a joint effort to bring that rating down from 4 to 3 now this ranking system or threat level system has been in place since quite early on in the pandemic but what do these numbers mean well the rankings go from 5 all the way to one with 5 being the most severe and that was the case where at the beginning of this crisis where we feared that possibly the n. H. S. Might be overrun now the level that weve just come out of number 4 signified that transmission levels were high and were rising exponentially thats now been brought down to number 3 which suggests that the transmission level is no longer that high to suggest the virus is spreading exponentially although there are still social distancing measures that have to be adhered to and there are fears that there could be localised breaking out of the infections once more level 2 represents what would be essentially a much lower level of transmissions and until you reached level one which is the ideal scenario where there are no more new cases of coded 1900 another virus is essentially been eradicated 4 now of course we arent there yet but where we are is at a point where the transmission level of the reinfection level should i say the our rate has dropped below one now the our rate if its above one for example if its 3 that means that on average every one who has the virus spreads it on average to another 3 people meaning the virus is spreading on the other hand if its less than one for example for every 10 people that have it spread it to 5 already spread its 2 and a half and so on that then represents the virus dying out now because currently the latest figures show the u. K. s our rate is somewhere between point 7. 00. Government have been easing measures opening nonessential shops and as zoos and so on theyve also said that they will be reviewing social distancing measures to bring down the the distance advise for people to keep apart from to meet adults one with the Prime Minister saying that we could see that change made in schools so. Its really diminishing amongst us all and thats the most important thing and that will allow us as the alert level comes down that will allow us to start making some progress as ive said on our plan and with the social distancing measures so when we go forward to july the 4th which is the next big this stage in the plan and we hope that there will be more guidance out very very shortly to help people help businesses help hospitality to prepare for that and and how to implement social distancing in a safe way that is the time to come back and get your kids back into into school and of course on the on the social distancing measures as i said watch this space we will be putting in the changes and the science allows. Now we know that Many Industries have asked for this distance to be reduced to one meets as not least the Hospitality Industry pops bars restaurants cafes and so on all wanting that distance to be brought down to one meter line with the lot Health Organizations guidelines that would allow them to open their doors and get more customers through to hopefully from their perspective pick up the economy now earlier this evening we saw the Daily Press Conference being headed up by a government williamson who is also giving his own updates in his role as education secretary. In terms of the review with distance of the Prime Minister has made it clear that this review is currently being undertaken is going to be a short period of time and it will be reporting back to the Prime Minister and to cabinet cabinet to make a decision but im afraid were not in a position im not in a position today to give you an exact date weve already been very clear that we want to see all children in all classes are returning full time to school in september thats what were working towards and were actually much further ahead than Northern Ireland. Are the education secretary saying that the u. K. Is ahead of Northern Ireland who themselves have hinted that they would be looking to bring down the distance to one metre in schools by the end of august so that could be an indication that the government will be following suit soon case of watch this space as they say he said thank you very much. What despised Boris Johnsons optimism a government review into to meet a social distancing could delay plans to reopen pubs and restaurants on july the 4th pubs and bars have been closed since the beginning of the lockdown in march with the sector among the hardest hit in the u. K. But some owners are rebelling and vowed to reopen their doors on july the 4th anyway. And the war on pub react means im now joined by local pub owner fianna hornsby fair enough thank you for joining us and what did you think when you heard the july the 4th opening could be reviewed and then pull it out is just just ridiculous we cant wait any longer for the governments a decision we really weve waited long enough but it still took me to distant saying can you really survive we can survive but it would certainly make a contribution least were still a Business Operation was still in carrying costs despite the fact weve got a rental muscle of bills and weve got to find a way in the well Boris Johnson seems to be hinting that the 2 meet a social distancing could be cut what do you hearing. With again everything is just a position where were live in the papers every day were looking at twitter every day where you know you cant theres no answer so theres no communication whatsoever from the government from the councils allowed so what we should be plan and how we should be organizing ourselves its not fair on us its not fair not same its not fair and customers so we die and so just get back out there and meet some of the table with a government tells you its not safe to open when you go ahead anyway i think ultimately people will only come out if they believe its safe for them to come out swivel to do everything we can and if it has to be 3 reasons related put out for 2 minutes as we was how do we what meets that which would make it easier today and we will cause we will do everything we possibly can and we will have some science in place without masks if we need them we will have the signage that we made will have an accurate Risk Assessment on that straight however were doing Risk Assessment from that we dont know what the rules are for for yet which is its just nonsensical but how bad has the crisis been for your pub in particular its just been awful i mean weve been very lucky very very sympathetic landlords but we know we close on the 20th of march with no warning that a salad bowl of ale and weve thrown away today 4000 pints which is a break and weve got some support of the government which has been fantastic but the fellow cost is not smelly cant cover all the costs of your wages you have the still pierre wait wait supply and you know if weve chosen to pay anybody actually that we have so was. Your utility bills that means we paid its just terrifying whats new thats nonstop and what preparations are you making phone july the 4th. Again were just were cleaning cleaning gunplay langar were getting weve got a Company Coming in next week to do arrest assessment for us so make sure that were much ahead you know where i have to get rather than you know making up as we go along but thats all we can say at this stage and its even its even spell its been quite a lot of. The supply chains not arctic and yet. Because they they cant prove they are and so the books are ready to go because theyve already had to dispose of an awful lot of they dont want to be there now again im sure so what you really need is a definitive date. We need a date and we need the guidance and we need it so you know the week before is die early and often need you know that were talking about of the 4th of july thats 2 weeks tomorrow we should have the guidelines to say at the very latest to be fair it should be last friday ok fair to hold sway thank you very much indeed thank you thank you. Well thousands of student nurses dropped in on to the n. H. S. Frontline during the peak of the corrective hours crisis have been told their contracts were terminated early leaving many fierce and even in debt one of them any pavane told r. T. U. K. About how disappointed she was at the news just after finishing a scheft i am as welcome back to my carnage and just remember feeling really let down and unsupported because weve been marching so hard and so many students across the country jim say opportunity how can such a challenging time with little or no cliff was not hesitate and if there is now that we have been used for what we needed fought and pushed to the silo that regardless of what we were promised and i am i am a sad because i feel that it was anybody else in and you have aligned. If theyve signed contracts. Watching a certain period of time they wouldnt have had that. On it would have what the contract to be and because it wouldnt have been acceptable and the fall of originally planned and now i cant get my head around why because were students it is acceptable to believe its bad for acknowledged it should be acknowledged in a better way it shouldnt be. Well in march almost 18000. 00 student nurses and midwives in their final 6 months of studies or 2nd year were called to work temporarily alongside frontline n. H. S. Workers it was part of a move to boost the Health Service workforce during the coronavirus pandemic in anticipation of hospital beds being overwhelmed during the virus peak while most contracts were set to last until around september the government now says the paid placements will terminate at the end of july but the Health Secretary was taken to task over the action in the house of commons all of a nature stuff deserve great praise dont they mr speaker so can i just ask even a specific point which i for which i as a merged in the last couple of days one student nurses who joined the front line 6 months ago as part of the coronavirus efforts now seeing that paid placement schemes terminated early leaving them with no income surely this is no way to treat student nursing staff it is wrong to suggest that student nurses and midwives are being made redundant all student nurses and midwives are required to complete placements during their training as part of the response to cope in 19 these hours been paid and will be until the end of the summer and n. H. S. England has been provided with the funding to student salaries as part of our response to 19 and the chief nurse has taken that forward. Well more than 70000 people have since signed a petition demanding the Health Secretary doesnt prematurely end the paid placement and nursing unions are demanding carroty from englands Health Authorities calling for the government to all of the sacrifice of skilled nurses have made the former Health Secretary jeremy hunt said on twitter that he cannot believe the government would let down socalled brilliant and brave nurses but the department of health and social care denies that anything has changed by the end of july most final year students can qualify as registered nurses and start full time work increasing their pay those with hours to complete will be paid until september 2nd year students will return to complete their qualifications so they can qualify as quickly as possible which is always been the plan student nurse at a party and also told us that the sacrifices made by those like herself in the face of the pandemic are undeniable ive had 0 distance myself from obviously c. N. N. Friends and family and i think absolutely of up to the end responded to joining the emergency register theyve all made sacrifices to address the pandemic. Obviously prior to where i can if they were living with people with house conditions they would hards have completely distance themselves from that and weve also had to adapt ourselves to a new role weve taken on new responsibilities were no longer supernumerary so although the support is still in place where were more and dependently and taking on different responsible as using different roles ive had to adopt a lot so i would say sacrifices have been made by should it matter as. Far as my cohort im trying to be a pediatric gnashed and a lot of my other students in the class theyve been sent to new adults warts and gets to an environment that theyre not training to be in that. Having to adapt to new situations that theyve never experienced theyve not been exposed to it before are on it the have to adapt a lot even in the childrens ward read up you know or see and Different Things that we knew we wouldnt have been around a normal pace next because it isnt a normal placement. A placement and a pandemic that nobody expected so even though nasa is qualified nobody expected it. So to come as our. Poll shows a local doctors are increasingly losing faith in the governments response to the Coronavirus Crisis as a Public Health experts criticised the u. K. For not reporting the couple cases. And u. K. Borrowing soars with the total debt now more than the entire economy as tax income also falls we hear from a tax expert. The world is driven by dreamers shaped by one person or those with. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Welcome back Technology Giant apple has refused claims that its working with the u. K. Government on a version of the virus Contact Tracing up it comes after the Health Secretary announced the alleged joint venture and claimed flaws that its software were sponsible for the failings of his own corroded contact coronavirus contacts tracing program. Of course weve been testing google and apples product too and as we did this we found that it does not estimate distance well enough measuring distance of course is Mission Critical to any Contact Tracing app so as it stands our out went work because apple wont change their system but it can measure distance and their app cold measure distance well enough to a standard that we are satisfied with throughout lists for me what matters is what works because what works will save lives and i will work with anyone public or private sector here or overseas to gain an any inch of ground against this disease so weve agreed to join forces with google and apple to bring the best bits of both systems together well apple said it had to be made aware that the u. K. Government was intending to work with them on a new hybrid app it also said claims about its alleged software failings in terms of measuring distance were difficult to understand it comes as the u. K. Government figures reveal over 11000000 pounds has already been spent on developing the current Contact Tracing up which is now set to be scrapped. Now local doctors are increasingly losing faith in the governments response to the coronavirus pandemic according to a recent poll of the 700. 00 doctors are 65 percent say they have a negative opinion of the governments Pandemic Response thats up from 35 percent in april at the height of the u. K. s outbreak 55 percent dont think the governments test and Trace Program will stop the spread of the virus while over 3 quarters say the actions of the Prime Ministers chief advisor Dominic Cummings and his lockdown trip to durham of meant others are less likely to follow the existing rules welcoming as a doctor dr zisha told me the government is not following the science at abusing it. My feeling is that the responses as not been very good at all and theres been very little interest in the welfare frontline clinicians its my feeling that there was a manipulation of various guidelines its we use substandard p. P. For example and i was very disappointed about how the government simply gets a sense of the b. M. A. To be any risk group view thats the black asian minority an ethnic group b. Its also clear that matters hancocks comments about watching the tone of language to a clinician challenging him in parliament and summarizes in my view what the government wants which is essentially a kind of blind obedience which can effectively cost you your life. Im not alone in having lost a great deal of faith in them or faith in the government was much higher during the peak of the virus what is it in a nutshell that changed for you well as i was so sort of in sync. Its these its the terminology and the repeated claims of science when actually thats not what were seeing government says that in all of its policies its guided by the science we all know that when this is over challenges will be made in our belief actually someone is making a challenge legally and presents. What were seeing is not science were seeing signed his him were seeing the abuse of. Science in inverted commas. And meanwhile dr amir khan told me that when it comes to Decision Making local doctors have been left out in the cold. We were late to the game when it came to lockdown and that resulted in lots of or necessary deaths there was the issue with p. P. L. Its a continuing issue at the moment where doctors didnt feel Safe Health Care workers didnt feel safe at work and that unfortunately resulted in doctors and nurses and Health Care Workers dying probably a message sara lee because they were also urged the right protection Going Forward from there the test of traces you know its been a bit of a disaster today we heard that theyre going to drop what they had planned and theyre going to go to google and apple to try and set it up and that will be ready to christmas by which time you know its going to be far too late and all of this has been done without the primary care. And thats thats been a real issue you know we havent been there we know our communities better than anyone we can tell you know how the infection is likely to spread within the communities we work with normally those have been consulted and we work in these areas coreg homes where were seeing patients with coronavirus type symptoms and were only able to test that for its as well so it is weve all its just been a disaster which is which is reflected in those those results you mentioned there the government have made more effort to actively support local doctors yes definitely you know we we be left behind in the hospital thats quite rightly be prioritized and they were prepared for it but the general practice it hasnt been involved in any of those discussions announce where we feel now that weve lost confidence in in the government well meanwhile the u. K. Has been criticized for failing to report covert 1000. 00 recoveries Public Health experts have said the decision has made many cases invisible to the n. H. S. Out of the 25. 00 countries with the highest incidence of coronavirus only one of the nation does not report recovery as naturally. A Public Health expert professor paul hunter told me that the u. K. Probably isnt recording recoveries because of high case volume i think probably theyre actually following up people. After discharge in a way that were maybe not be doing. And it is important to follow people we dont know yet exactly or proportionately who will go on to develop more chronic symptoms and we probably were no doubt to certain until into the autumn much more people have been. Reasonable for at least 6 months unless were actually following people who were know that and also its important to. An understanding of the risk of transmission because at the moment we believe probably that most people being found not infectious are. Being of well if it were not following people work around millennium time were not aware whether they may well be related to the source exist later are so if its a case of it big a simple as recording positive test and then checking up on people why are we not doing it. I mean probably because weve had far too many cases. Doing that has been. Beyond really ability to earthly years system to girly code. The u. K. s debt has hit a record high as government borrowing surged to fight the Coronavirus Crisis and treasury tax receipts have also plunged. The countrys borrowing has risen to almost 104000000000. 00 pounds thats 87000000000. 00 more than the same time last year the extra spending has resulted in debt rising by over 20 percent and it all means the total level of Government Debt 1. 00 trillion pounds has now grown to more than the entire u. K. Output for the 1st time since 1963. But for more on this im now joined by tax expert robert pull pull and robert thank you for joining us i mean its not just borrowing thats up but income is down as well isnt it i mean how bad is the picture i mean this is pretty bad the figures are quite literally on personality coming through 14000000000 pounds lower the tax receipts been in the last quarter the end of may be 18 meticulous has been the hardest hit down 31000000000 pounds thats a huge number so Going Forward then can we expect tax rises for those are lucky enough to be working. In these difficult for the government of this point to decide what to do and theres a balance to take so income taxes the biggest Tax Contribution to the government thats the easiest one for them as we increase obviously that could be seen as a tax on jobs so the governments finances very carefully over the next few months deciding what parts of them are improves which taxes you foresee going up. So i think in the far life isnt there an inheritance tax and possibly Capital Gains tax they dont consciously lots and lots to the to the budget to the government coffers they do contribute some and that could be increased for me quite easily income tax maybe increase but its more likely that there will be a surcharge or some sort of one of levy Going Forward where things will get better as a song says most of the country will be back to work by christmas or will they. Hard to say this point is a range of different forecasts been given by different economists schemes to change quite considerably over the next few months last jump was shocks or even a boss people are going back to work the picture of the jobs outlook in this country is very mixed right what kind of stimulus package does the government need to introduce. It is difficult to say well as the Coronavirus Process that we have now weve also got rights it deadlines coming up at the end of this year so the government probably keeping all that for that recently as of now how to spend a lot of the over budget theyve had this course in the economy now tax changes should be used as an opportunity to shape the economy as it grows and comes out of this and its a its a unique opportunity that hes in a house right now to try and stimulate the economy in a way that works and what i want to support the government doing what i think the next move obey well i think theres likely to be motions in budget coming up as some others probably probably going to get a statement around july so we should all look out for that one that will most likely be a mixture of tax increases i would have thought but also some targeted tax relief strong calmly if i were white for those that robert poland thank you very much david joining us thank you. And thats all from o. C. 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