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It Anthony Bryan logan is a conservative political commentator i telling us about rules of the bank that means you can jump in and want and i always appreciate it ok auntie let me go to you 1st did you know as i saw these images over the last few days of people being forced to take the knee and apologizing for their skin color or their ancestry or oh i dont know what particular groups they were black lives matter or other groups it doesnt matter to me i think just that gesture in itself should be an affront to all of us i mean when i see those kind of images i think oh maoist china and the red guard and i think of the camaro rouge i think oh stalinist trials where people have selfcriticism i find it quite horrifying and i think were going in the wrong direction in the country we should value all lives and no one should apologize for what they look like go ahead. Or you can pretty much know down right there b. C. Of value last and you know we seem to be having this thing where are you get taken me and really some are going to say oh the needs are so respect for those that have passed the way there its you know what i see people being forced to submit to other peoples will and it wont just out with me it would be ok thank me for a base and taken me for a day im seeing it right now in minneapolis to make a new the mayor do all kind of things and dont do hoops or fire a dispenser do police or you hate black people meal you hate black people its just way too much its a start it aint going to end right here its going to continue on as august is allowed to persist you know when arthur i mean when you take a knee and when everyone has a right to do that theres no law against a human even when i think of it that the gesture is to to genuflect to a Greater Authority someone that you may respect immensely for something theyve done or to god ok but to a random person or someone you do not know and its more of a threats and because theres consequences are built into it if you do not behave appropriately i mean this tells me i mean everyone knows im a conservative i mean this is a false god creating a false ideology to worship and this is a cult like behavior and not only am i an alien that they made me art let me get out there on their own behalf ok all right ok. You know its interesting that you bring up the cult like behavior and the almost religious aspect of this because one of the things thats been coming to my attention recently definitely the last few months but actually snippets of it over the last few years actually since just before 2016 is a concept called critical theory which underlies a lot of what is taught in universities and from there as gone out into h. R. Are men smarting arent government corporations just everywhere and. When you look into it i think this doctor dr lindsay dr James Lindsay did a really good study of critical theory and its origins and and all of that and. When you look at it it is very much a cult its very much a cult its very much built on. Kind of presuppositions that havent quite been tested scientifically and yet i would almost say they test it scientifically and on those assumptions or those presuppositions they build this entire narrative and thats what were seeing be were fleshing out now is that narrative in play in the rocks yeah i mean if you want to know learn more about the critical theory theres another name martin j. Who wrote a Remarkable Book called the dialectical imagination and just everyone to know who to call theory is basically a reformed a redo of marxism see where critical there is they get rid of the working class they get rid of working people ok and they poured in with the new ideology can be a virtue signaling it can be the law its the same paradigm its the same bottle but they just fill it up with something new and the result is always the same ok i disaster thats what it is all right. Jake so its it was remarkable up there hes over. Ive been i said i think i said i can graduate school and i never thought the critical theory would be used as a users manual i thought it was interesting as a program he culture but no its been brought to college its other people i know it is the Frankfurt School as well. Lets talk about the issue of the cops here anthony after you know since 911 theres been a bipartisan effort to build a surveillance state and now were hearing to fund the police i can you explain that to me because it seems to me just absolute in sanity you know who are hurt the most or people. You know its really crazy what im seeing defund the police i really dont understand because and i may be as low income air use a lot of the black community as a spanish whatever somebody even a poor white areas the police are last bastion of hope and people just dont understand they dont get it because they may just see somebody day in Police Custody and say or has wrong lets eliminate the police ive forgotten about the games they missed there it seemed like a mafia blow scrips you mafia i forgot were going to go back to whats i worry say is ok go down in my cousin vinny and get some protection or you know pay for protection wait wait that kind of things going on now people dont really understand they also people are involved in you know accidents fire people when they get sacked whos going to be going to call ghostbusters are you going to call the police when the police arent there theyre going to relax how much they needed them but oh say it goes you never know which you guys who is a guy you know i guess i mean does a black watch matter do they have a 9100 number maybe they can be called ok theyre only there if theyre there or theyre richer than god now i mean this is remarkable that whats going on in arthur this this whole thing about defunding the police i think is so misunderstood obviously its an election ploy and ideological mounds i mean thats on its face here but i mean if you take a step back and we end you know taking the knee and defunding the police its diligent about icing Traditional Authority thats exactly what they do want to do they want it in the process of dealing generalizing to Traditional Authority they want to put something in its place well i dont give that authority ok i do constitution has authority to make the rule of law around me particularly where i could grab for you particularly the last slightly different every different places but that is the level Playing Field Everybody Knows that ok theres an awareness of that so take anyone from this guy and they define the police know whos got it who or whos going to protect the public. Ok are these people going to be assigned ok are they just going to show up this is all nonsense go ahead or her. Its an its a really interesting. Demand that started out what if they swallow something that i dont i honestly cant understand where theyre coming from from a purely you know youre just looking at i want to stay stay well what are you trying to do you know you did you have an example now over the last couple of last week at least of what happens when you remove police and allow it to just have their way so you think at least at the but i wonder if perhaps theres something a little bit more to it i wonder if maybe bears see the black lives Matter Movement while they have a lot of people who believe its something to do with and powering people its a political you know movement on its own has its own agendas its own goals and i wonder if theres something bigger to that to these claims something they have in reserve not showing you what the result is gonna be i have a theory about that it what they want to do is or get want to displace authority they want to see what they make it by and by collapsing authority someone is going to fill the vacuum nature abhors this type of situation whos going to step in and i think that is the obvious thing theyve everyone should be thinking about here because if you look at the riots in all the violence. Theres a lot of agendas going on at the same time sidewalk tamia sleep there are people the parts of the Political Class have abrogated their responsibility and washed their hands of it well talk about that and 2nd how the programs are there other people and he found that i have their own agenda here and not to all of these different groups and some people are just angry ok i mean thats true as well but its seems to when when when when Legal Authority legitimate authority collapses there are plenty of people that want to come in and drop it and this is a ruling class as long as theyre insulated from it go ahead am i right anthony or not. Oh youre right on point absolutely its a its a greater thing going on here or youre breaking apart authority and then maybe a different kind of authority is installed more represents what people want it to be when i say people i dont mean just a regular everyday person i think im not going to like what happens but those they are trying to replace it they want to have their particular ideology go forward and this is the vehicle through which there be a god before. You know it arthur one thing thats really kind of glaringly missing at all is where our elections it seems to me that this is an antidemocratic eat those people who would you know if should we should we change the way policing is done yet maybe lets vote on ok you give me a proposal its voted out lets go to the polls all right lets lets turn to the public conversation this is all monologue they dont you know that the red guard in china didnt listen to reason they said confess even if you didnt have anything to confess ok and this is the same thing going on they want to displace the rule of law and they dont give us what the alternative is they just tell us believe us what we know what to do thats a frightening prospect go ahead are. Yeah one of the things i was reading recently. Was during the during the time the soviet union was just starting off and when you had a lot of this kind of purging of. Her you know people with the wrong ideology or the wrong and congress had the same thing cambodia had the same thing like every single marxist revolution has had this pattern of behavior. One of the things that was apparently sent i believe a solution thats in the brought up was that it didnt really matter when they when they want to accuse somebody wasnt what did you wrong it was what class were they from and ill show you what theyve done wrong it was kind of like a preemie arranged issue and the reason why i brought critical theory to begin with is because it is a science that same sort of use not quite by class in this case a lot of times its by race but it adds this sort of you are guilty by default now therefore no matter what you do in less you capitulate to me you are evil and i have every right to do whatever i need to do to overcome and as that interest precedent absolutely randi its everything is turned upside down the bit Martin Luther king was a great man and because he talked about the content of our character now im encouraged that i am forsaken me now because my character in the thing to do is make character probably the person we demand he give that doesnt even know who i am its upside down go ahead. Youre absolutely right i mean thats what the whole thing was about civil rights kinds of medicare is there not a color just gain but now its like everythings about color to skin and then also ideology is he is deeper because you know im a black berry saying and i get some of the same criticism that a white person we get if my mates alcee is not lining up with those that are force nearby is taken me like i say hey dont take any dont feel guilty and im the same as everyone else then i would come white i have been accused of being a white supremacist you know so. You know its kind of a heart when i get off right i hope im not going to go to a break were going to be ok after thats over it will continue our discussion not taking any state. Bests just where her cocaine sons were 4 bucks with the under 50 its addictive joe everybody used cocaine. Cocaine you can smoke it this is were 481530. 20. Its called k. To this is about a 15. 00 bet and people smoke this one go figure seka this way you can find these drugs in any city in the United States that you want a long as you want to get it about the. I make money. Thats what a day. You cannot be both with yeah you want. Welcome back to cross up where all things are considered im peter all about remind you were talking about taking the knee. Ok lets go back to go back to our other one of the things they did a big that is not really tough enough about here as we look at where all a lot of the writing and writing and looting helping to across the country these are in blue states ok these are these are going to run by democrats for generations ok for a long long time and so late they want to talk about some kind of new social contract will i can they have least admit that they got it wrong ok before we start trying something new i mean this week the lack of interest section the lack of. Criticism being critical about what youve done in your policies and its not helping the communities that theyre representing and a lot of these communities are primarily people of color i mean they have failed ok but there seem to be no consequences for it whatsoever and they believe everything on the man in the white house hes got his faults but he did do this go ahead. Right well i mean hes be here for just under 4 years now so you cant blame especially if thats a systemic problem which theyre claiming you cant wait about somebody whos been in office for 4 years. But beyond that i taught my soul and tom was both brilliant man who i it why i respect a lot. And rode on his concept and he said look before even before civil rights. Back and i think its easy or hes even during slavery the black family had a higher rate of 2 parent households or. Before civil rights many black families were successful and they both claim that its only since that time since weve had this concept of. Know your oppressed and hold on we democrats in this case are going to give you everything or pretend at least to give you everything were now sell you this narrative. By the way of which we have a solution for people for us and and thats going to somehow make things better and i think were seeing the result of that mare interesting result of clinicians that they put in place and its not helpful and if you see each and most people who are successful no matter what their races they will tell you the difficulty that it takes to reach some level of success the hours you know painless hours were all that sort of stuff and i think a lot a lot of the problem comes back to that concept of you being told hey dont even try because if you try to youre going to get stopped any place you know that guy over there as long or not theres no were going to go anywhere its kind of like the great payoff i mean then theres another issue you know that should be mentioned is that the number of children born out of wedlock i mean after the Great Society you know and thats that effected all races in a particularly black america and so the number of children who doesnt i mean it anthony the same thing is it seems to me the democrats they run a plantation you know and everyone is assigned their job and and and itself. It really just reproduces is it its a its more about power than creating a social good and it also is about empowering a small group of people its a topic keep the show going i mean Chuck Schumer how long youve been around in politics nancy how about you you take any responsibility for your Current Party and its be a joe biden oh a great law and order guy do you take any responsibility for what youve done in yours. In your years and decades in office and i in and that those trickles all the way down the democratic run cities are awful theyre simply awful ok because its the patronage system everybody gets along by going along and then you know youve got like clint you know and theres no good water ok thats a local matter and its been a matter a long time nothing ever gets done ok and it seems to me that it when when when theres this criticism you know if you dont agree with black lives matter or if you say all lights matter i mean that just is just displacing real politics from reality and i think thats really creating a lot of frustration for people and also i think its the Democratic Party itself is intensely racist you know we have to have the black ice president which we have to have all these boxes checked what about just having qualified people for a change would be a real relief from the democrats your reaction. Wow that was very well say i mean thats what it should be it should be all about marriage are you a good person you got a good person are you skilled are you unskilled thats what it should be about democrats they talk about slavery being a bad thing how bad it was of me on that it was a bad thing but they have replaced the physical slavery the physical changes with the mid so slavery and then theyve reset the plane sation ids low income areas housing projects like we did it buildings these are the new plantations and if you want to leave there because gets to the proverbial slave masters the politicians you get basically publicly be a lynched i think with Clarence Thomas talk about the virtual aging ok run in front of the world and i think it was joe biden that was one of the architects of that back in the day and also joe biden was against and said gratian i would be crowned and i knew for was unapologetic about the crime bill but yeah he is a guy thats going to be the antiracists hes the guy is going to be the savior for dont let community these are men so its a means that are being put on notice if you want to speak against it go against the grain you are a racist you are a so fater is this manipulation mentally and they are upon the face right now in the country it is their i mean we weep when i think weve done a pretty good job and 2nd whats going on here but i dont see taking the need for example how does that end racism systemic racism can anyone explain what that really means ok because its the only system i see i hope there is liberals running the economy culture n. G. K. Ssion thats their rat racket that is systematic and the garbage the intellectual garbage that they pour out into the culture at large i was at the university of california the 1990 s. We i started hearing all this nonsense then now its part of the culture go ahead are. Now. I think he said that perfectly there is theres a video of a police chief i believe it is lying on the ground with his hands behind his back as if hes being arrested and the crowd follows add up with saying its not enough but its a start and i think thats thats what needs to be understood its its never going to be because and in the end i believe that this our crap in one way or another this is a power grab and at that point no matter what you have no matter how much of it youre late until that power is gained youre not doing enough or until you can be used to bring that likes. To what youre saying its as far as this is been going on since the ninetys and now its in every single section of or every in every single yes section of society its an education from grade school you know university all the way through so that it doesnt solve any problems as many back to what it does is in the minds of people more divine says its a big theres no unifying message in it because for this power grab to succeed is they have how to have a hobby and war everyone against everyone and if you look at the the horrific videos of what was being done in the streets of america which you know is really amazing you know if you did you know that c. N. N. s ratings went up really really high for the 1st time in 1000 years because you know you know what hes one of the good 1st up this big i mean the burning buildings of all its mostly peaceful here in the next you know biddy oh ok i mean its extraordinary i mean nothing to see here theres only a you know i didnt hurt obama heinie i mean this is just lying to their audience ok why because it makes the air agenda and whats really interesting for me in this point in time is because you can focus on all of the here in now could look at as this election cloyd its all anti trump all of that is true but i. I think it is so much deeper ok because this is this is this is an attempt look look at how the democrats did during the these bailouts and stimulus this all the Little Goodies they put in there that had nothing to do with the bandanna may they because you know what if you cant get 50 percent plus one folk in the country for these things you always have to do it by cloak and dagger ok its intensely just honest and the worst thing is that people vote according congress that you read it now i just voted for ok thats what we get ok that is like they did that is a party that is unthinking and it is only about perpetuating its own power it has no interest whatsoever in serving the people you know and i could care less about nancy pelosi is refrigerators and her her her tailor made chocolate its an insult to people particularly when we look at whats going on in the economy you know anthony. Is this going to get worse i mean because you started out with it its the if you take a knee where does it end him. Well i think that it may get worse i hope that it doesnt for a 2nd the country because a big his words were looking at a really bad situation because im seeing the marxism see in the coming days and im seeing a creeping in a lot of these big cities is happening really is already here and out of the big cities that anyone take it national thats what a whole new living is about ok lets start here like you said about the police you going to ground with his hands behind his back ok that is great but whats next we want no more police then no more race they missed in this and they so hopefully i discern a point it gets put to way may it be up to us i think in minneapolis there but its it is being there police have her it still has to go to a vote publicly so hope the people that are in the country that are in the city hopefully they see and say ok no more lets stop you right now unless i have to take a photo situation you know you know are there one of the things i find really just. Gusting about all this what i mentioned the stimulus bailout package just made out there we dont are friends were taken care of ok they were paid just think about it billionaires were were rescued when they dont need it down im ok they could easily take care of themselves it will it seems to me is a very cynical thing as the country was burning you have you have a Political Class in week with these billionaire class and that everyone i think Congress Gave it some other raised during all this im not mistaken ok so everybodys taken care of but let that what are they going to do after the cameras leave i can tell you whats going to happen look at ferguson today look at baltimore theyre still ruins ok theyre not going to be fixed and maybe theres a little glimmer of hope that the recovery is started the cities that were looted in right in i dont think theyre going to have an opportunity to recover like the rest of the country and thats a shame and thats a shame on the people pushing this ridiculous ideology and the media shame on all the reasons you might to go ahead arthur. Are you well its my computer and what he said there is right on again thomas soul speaks about this cycle of poverty that particularly effects black communities but it affects all communities. And its exactly that you have. Poverty low education which causes crime because Police Interaction and any of the riots and that. Chases wayne besen which continues that cycle and its sad its very very sad because it does if you think you got up another sad note well end on this maybe wheres the Media Coverage an outrage about the dozen or so chicagoans black chicagoans are killed every single week and not a peep from these people its all the time we have gentlemen i want to thank my guests in toronto and in chattanooga and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r. T. C. And x. I remember. Right there. Where i did but it could be in this house right now. Its hard to convince him. To make minimum wage he can be recruited by gay and sell drugs and make hundreds of dollars a day. 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Welcome to our viewers from around the world where live from Central London and recurrently waiting for the governments Coronavirus Press briefing led today by the Prime Minister Boris Johnson hes expected to outline further plans to ease the countrys long time meanwhile i read the headlines this hour. A statue of slave trader Robert Milligan is removed as campaigners target at least 60 other controversial monuments in the u. K. We hear from an activist from the black lives matter and a chorus to. The architect of the u. K. Long time professor Neil Ferguson claims the government failed to adequately protect care homes despite knowing the risks and thats as figures reveal over 6 percent of care home residents have died as a result of cope with 19. And doctors warn of an epidemic of loneliness as dozens of people are discovered dead in their homes after weeks of lockdown as n. H. S. Bosses want hospital waiting lists in england could surpass 10000000 by the end of the year. The Prime Minister Boris Johnson is pushing ahead with plans to lift the coronavirus lockdown in england with announcements expected within the next few minutes in the meantime. The joints in the other recess so as we had the government preparing more measures across the country what kind of things can expect yes of course as we understand it the Prime Minister is preparing to deliver that davey press conference Daily Briefing for the government and thus far weve already seen one key plank of the governments efforts to lead the country out of measures governor right the plan to open all the schools and get all School Children but school for the Summer Holidays has now been scrapped and except for one or 2 of the Primary School year. And a few other children children of key workers children wont be returning back to the classroom until september however in other areas the government has announced that they are keen to continue on the road map including with the opening of outlets like restaurants and pubs because you remember that according to the road map we were going to open out to Host Hospitality no. Earlier than july the proof that is still the plan we are sticking to our plan when so guidance is now being developed for such hospitality and we dont want to see a roiling bacchanalian amassing of people that can spread the disease are very brutal people understand the continuing risks that this country faces so in the coming few moments we are expecting the Prime Minister to deliver that briefing and to announce the reopening next monday of zoos safari parks and open cinemas of course with people keeping to social distancing rules also the reopening of nonessential retail shops like clothing shops and other outlets now with regards to those social distancing rules we know that for the last few months its been 2 meters thats what the government have been telling people to keep to in order not to get too close to each other well there is now pressure coming on d the government from within the conservative party ranks and even from within the cabinet itself that to me to rule to be reduced so one meets in line with World Health Organization guidelines and with the understanding that that could help. Falls restaurants and other again hospitality sector outlets its really open the door soon and try to get more people through the doors so that they can help to restart the economy. And they come to me as the famous that is i thank you very much. Or followed at the hands of a white Police Officer memorials to historical figures in the u. K. Continue to cause controversy in the u. K. The statue of slave trader Robert Milligan has been removed from outside a london museum. Were going to get it was an 18th century scottish merchant to end the 500 slaves in jamaica as well as a Sugar Plantation Museum described the monuments presence as uncomfortable and a reminder of britains problematic past this comes off to the monuments of another slave trade Edward Colston was forcibly removed by protesters in bristol and frightened into a river the council says it will be retrieved and placed in a museum well meanwhile demonstrators are calling for the review of all the controversial monuments. I. Well though the protests are expected over the coming days while the Police Reaction is also under the microscope londons matter is drawing up plans to address concerns about alleged disproportionate use of force against minority communities that says one musician has to do a 62 year old father being tasered by police claiming Police Brutality still life among the black trainer saying the metropolitan police have defended the use of force while the labor leader and Prime Minister clashed over the implementation of an independent report by labor m. P. David lammy aimed at addressing injustices. Most of the recommendations in the law made report into inequality in the criminal Justice System have yet to be implemented 3 years after the report was published similarly the long delayed and damning report by Wendy Williams into the windrush scandal has yet to be implemented i spoke last night to black Community Leaders and they had a very clear message for the Prime Minister implement the reports youve already got so could the Prime Minister now turbo charge the government responses how we are increasing already the number of black minority ethnic people in the Prison Service is david lammy i recommended we are increasing the use of body one cameras and how we are trying to ensure amongst other things that young be any people are not immediately prosecuted as a result of the trouble they find themselves in and we try to make sure that we give people a chance but i must stress that on the lam report and on all these matters it is absolutely vital at the same time that we keep our streets safe. Well one of the organizers of the black lives Matter Movement in the u. K. Gary mcfarland told me that schools need to update their curriculum to teach children about the true legacy of the slave trade actual existence of the monuments is a distortion of history far from being monuments these people. Should be written into the history books and proper history taught about the real legacy of a slave trade and the real part played by the slave trade in the building of modern britain thats the sort of Industrial Revolution and the British Empire none of that is currently integrated into the National Curriculum despite decades of demanding but real history has taught history of the people that live on this island and the people are completely missed ireland and the 2 groups of the wealth of this country none of that is really taught in our schools are getting with the monuments is a step in the right direction so it gets and truth in seeing the discourse but how is that about how you also get rid of the statues as well is that a case of infantilizing them is actually wrong 2 wrongs dont make a right do that isnt there a sort of more democratic way of removing the now when i was the height of democracy 30000 people coming to government and restore whats up in this problem the biggest demonstrations bristol seen for a very long time and all revolutions situations statues articles and yes thats a good sign for the future because we do need a revolution in this country and many others say advocating revolution but looking at our great heres one of the statues that theyre also people would like to have remade for didnt he also advocate abolishing slave trade i say well no the laws are going against the store simply state people who should be getting the strategy that people like to use only the people a bit of a slave trade thats the state of rebel leaders who are the slate leaders of the caribbean that made slavery impossible to maintain by the european powers. Were discussed as im now joined by barrister and former n. H. S. Nurse Rebecca Boteler rebecca thank you for joining me lets discuss the issue of statues then why do we keep these statues up there a concert reminder of the suffering felt by the black community. You know i think thats a very good point and the historical record should be accurate now the cost and statue in bristol has caused a lot of problems over the decades but theyve had a black mayor for 4 years has done nothing about it so i dont find it objectionable to say that the place for that statue is a museum but i think the historical record needs to be accurate in it needs to be clear that his money was gained through the slave trade i have absolutely no issue with that it is a historical record and the historical record has to be accurate so im on the side of black lives matter when it comes to that sort of thing what i dont agree with is the violence and the way in which it is done i particularly take issue with the rhodes must fall statue at Oriel College in oxford because the Rhodes Scholarship is actually sponsored by Nelson Mandela as well its a its a joint scholarship between mandela and rhodes and Nelson Mandela sort of indicated it back in 2003 so theres theres a little bit of intellectual destress in and so when it comes to an attempt to wipe out the history as we know it and well send a very dangerous thing to set or there are better ways of educating people out there theyre obviously through school also textbooks and museums as well to sort of balance that the picture yes absolutely and i take no issue with that and you know the comment that the Industrial Revolution and the British Empire was fed by slavery is an absolutely accurate statement because. Wilberforce brought forward the abolition of slavery act in 1907 but really because of the east India Companys slate. Every from black countries was still happening in india in the colonies so we werent in slaving indian people we were actually using slaves from africa and the west indies to to fuel the east India Company so yes i do agree with all of that that you know the indentured servitude its humiliating but it is a fact of history whats more important is what were doing today and what were doing for the communities today we understand their pain i think every single one of us does but lets be accurate about it and lets lets do it through ringback education violence just turns people off or statues like costa milligan that we know have been removed theyve been controversial for decades and yet it seems or it would be argued that only this kind of direct action gets result yeah but you know it takes things to their logical extreme it is an unpalatable fact that slavery was not illegal until 18007 it is an unpalatable fact of life but by the same virtue whilst calling for charles the 2nd statute to be dropped nobody says what henry the 8th statue should be dropped because the age of Sexual Consent was 13 in 2 times where do you stop if something wasnt illegal you know back in history and has subsequently become illegal do you suddenly pretend those people didnt exist of course not again as i say with colson and miller what they did wasnt illegal its very unpalatable in todays terms so just put them in a museum thats all they dont have to be out on show and i do get the argument that it can be quite offensive to black people to have merchants who made their wealth out of slavery of their people on display but also. People in africa made money out of the slave trade so its not just a white thing and white people were put into slavery by the barbary is 1250000 europeans in fact were put into for slavery by the north african barbary isnt that something that charles the 2nd didnt deal with which was one of the causes of his downfall and that will leave it Rebecca Butler thank you very much for your thoughts thank you. Now lets take a look at how the corona Virus Outbreak is affecting the u. K. s 4 home nations the u. K. Death toll has reached 41128 having risen by 245 fatalities since tuesday but i just say n. H. S. England has reported 88 hospitals as while the scottish helsel sorties have reported 12 across. Wales reported 9 in Northern Ireland has reported no new deaths for the forst time the 4th day in a row. But the u. K. Is set to become the worst economically affected country in the developed world by the coronavirus pandemic according to a report by the organization for Economic Cooperation and development Britains National income is forecast to fall by over 11 percent this year the document signed today soaring Unemployment Rate as a chief concern predicting the u. K. Slump is likely to overtake countries including brazil and sweden both of which are faced heavy criticism over the coronavirus responses. And now lets turn to the global coronavirus figures. That have been over 7200000 confirmed infections according to worldwide data by Johns Hopkins university in the us more than 412000 people have now died while the total number of recoveries approaches 4000000. Coming up after the break. Over scientific advisors of the government Neil Ferguson claims downing street knew the risks associated with catacombs but failed to act as data from a statistics watchdog reveals that more than 6 percent of those living in such institutions died due to the epidemic. The world is driven by a dream shaped by our own personal those words. No dares thinks. We dare to ask. Anyone else child small seemed wrong all right old wall just dont call. Me the world yet to shape our disdain comes to educate and in games from an equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when you choose to look for common ground. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to get us to the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back one of the u. K. Governments for my key science advisers claims they will surratt is underestimated the degree to which corona virus would spread in care homes no focus and his research instigated the long time the period before the science and Technology Committee was asked to explain why the death toll has exceeded his initial predictions we created have underestimated how fall into the epidemic is done was lets call the roots of the 2nd car which i think is more avoided it would be more affordable. Is that better for those of us. And we could all where we want to do something with. No government policy if by that. We see you from france. What weve got to see is infection rates which the probably 4 times higher. Its emerge that over 6 percent of people have died in care homes in england and wales as a result of the coronavirus pandemic according to the statistics watched. Just over 400000 people who live in care homes across england and wales with around one in 16 having died june the Coronavirus Crisis according to the office for National Statistics there have been just over 26000 excess deaths in care homes since the beginning of the pandemic just under 12000 have been due to 19 while other fatalities have been linked to other medical problems theres been much controversy surrounding u. K. Care homes since the beginning of the pandemic the government has been slammed after hospital patients were sent home to back to the care homes without being tested for the virus or critics say this move contributed to the rapid spread of coronavirus within these institutions previously Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said medical professionals would only have discharged patients if they were medically fit to leave while others claim the interference with the Health Care System has also led to an increased number of deaths among the elderly. Doctors are investigating the deaths of dozens of people found alone in their homes during the pandemic many who died late undiscovered for up to 2 weeks prompting fears many people arent seeking Health Treatment when they need it delayed discovery means some bodies have begun to decompose making it difficult to establish if the cause of death was from covert 19 but charity is a medics have pointed to a drop in people seeking help for serious illnesses like heart attacks and strokes since the pandemic started. When it comes as n. H. S. Bosses warn that by the end of the year hospital waiting lists for surgeries in england could have more than doubled from the 4400000 children before the pandemic the n. H. S. Confederation said that this dropped to 4200000 in launch as doctors referred fewer people for procedures like hip replacements and cataract removal but these waiting lists could surpass 10000000 by the end of the year as hospitals deal with the 2nd possible possible 2nd wave of the virus Staff Shortages and a reduction in beds to to social distancing or in a letter to the Prime Minister the head of the n. H. S. Confederation said the government needed to be realistic about what was possible it will not be possible simply to switch on n. H. S. Services the government has a vital role to play in making this clear and providing reassurance that every possible step is being taken to control the virus so we start to resume routine services the n. H. S. Is keen to regime as Many Services as it can but we need a level of realism about what can and what cannot be achieved safely in the coming months well the government has said that private hospitals could be used to help clear the backlog while the Health Secretary said the dropping those attending Emergency Rooms was partly due to people seeking appropriate advice from a local doctor but his previous distress that people should seek hospital treatment if they need it or the department of health said it has already issued guidance to the n. H. S. On how services can be restored safely thanks to all the hard work and dedication of n. H. S. Staff hospitals were not overwhelmed to during the peak of the coronaVirus Outbreak guidance has already been issued to the n. H. S. On how they should start to restore services in a safe way and in the next hour ill be joined by dr and former m. E. P. David poole. Well scotland could face a return to us territory if the country isnt granted significant new spending powers according to the countrys finance secretary. The devolved arrangements were not designed for a Health Emergency and economic crisis of this scale with a Global Pandemic raging fast decisions and public spending are a quiet and it is critical that we have boring powers and greater Financial Flexibility to respond effectively otherwise the only way the Scottish Government will be able to fund our own going response would be to make deep cuts to other Public Services ok for as well says how potential summer efficiency to next years budget before m s piece this week but the u. K. Government has rejected calls for more spending power as they say scotland has already benefited from extra funds throughout the pandemic scotland is benefiting from an unprecedented package of u. K. Government support to Scottish Government receives a share of u. K. Government borrowing through the bar nash formula which is currently providing 3700000000 pounds of funding this is on top of the u. K. Wide measures such as Business Loans and the Job Retention scheme but Economics Expert state mccabe told me its easy to pin the blame for us territory on westminster a cuts will inevitably need to be made effects of covert 9 saying the bonus for it was mentioned there are many critics so thats why im one of them but then scotland has done pretty well i mean its kind of strange and devolve region is complaining about not having enough power well but there you go there as he is of course you could do the money but then so did everyone else i mean theres going to be a lot of the bills to pick up on at the end of this. Well you know as mentioning that the barnett formula do we need the full scale review of home nations spending and if its not the bonnet formula what do we replace it with who have you know i mean thats difficult to make scotland has its own economic problems and of course what weve got here is a degree of politicking undoubtedly there will have to be budget cuts and of course nobody wants a serious say the big question is because how is all this going to be paid for and i suspect because that sort of that what their city are doing again their invention 1st they realise that sort of cars will have to be made to sort of keep this is the essential services. You know that moneys going to come from somewhere and of course its very easy dare i say it but you can blame westminster because of course gone is devolved across only so far and you know promised to johnson that question times are the Prime Ministers questions he made the point that you know scotland is is doing this as well as everyone else so you know as a savior that theres a lot of gesturing going on and of course what weve got is a sort of the potential brain is it that the heart breaks if we get some no trade do with the ans gone will cost be impacted by a lot. More news in just over half an hour. Khaled alkhateeb International Memorial awards has extended its deadline for submissions. All media professionals are eligible whether you are a freelance journalist look for alternative media of a global News Platform you can submit to your published works in either video or format go to award go to auntie dot com and at an l. 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