Were this was utterly appalled donald trump playbook d is one of divisiveness one that plays to the racial. Legacies that has long player the United States and really to this whole discourse underground or maybe not even so underground this course of White Supremacy he completely denies that saying that actually he is being that arrest for people of color it is its baffling in a in a certain kind of sense because there was a piece in the feel like it was the Washington Post about the ways in which. Donald trump will Say Something. You know Say Something in one moment thats caught on camera and literally turn around and the night that he said it in the next it would be laughable and bizarre if it wasnt so utterly dangerous ok well youre in Republican National convention territory there in nashville joe biden after all. Is the president ial candidate for the democrats in november i mean what do you think about him making Political Capital whilst being known arguably around the world for mass incarceration of africanamericans an opposing desegregation i think a lot of times africanamericans are stuck. In situations where you have to make the best choice but in the given field i think what we have and by like we have in a lot of politicians is an imperfect politician but when you consider the alternative biden its by far. The better candidate to engage with with these issues and at the very least to stop the bleeding we would not be facing. Tanks and tear gas if we had say for example Hillary Clinton in the white house right it doesnt mean that these folks dont have deeply problematic legacies as we know with Hillary Clintons famous. You know quote about bringing people you know these super predators to heel we know that and biden has many many have said many things that are deeply problematic i mean in saying in africa obama is known for destroying africas richest per capita country i mean im sure about libya there and as far as i know donald trump doesnt launch any wars on nations of people predominantly have a home why is it these participate it certainly is the perpetuation of White Supremacy in the United States when there were White Supremacy nazis rioting in virginia over the confederate minute he said there were good people on both sides when it was when the other side was clearly a nazi. White supremacy hate crimes have exploded it was not too long ago that donald trump was was was was calling african countries countries so you know when you start this kind of but there must be a different between words and bombs from obamas era planes falling on these countries now thats i mean i think of some ways that thats the republican playbook right instead of talking about the realities of the Current Administration the impulse is to try to retain their rate presidency of obama as a way to distract from the utter like corruption of the Current Administration obama was that impeached obama wasnt you know a perpetual liar other people have doubts about that impeachment as you know well over here we had Rudy Giuliani the former mayor of new york trump advisor now claiming that this is all a left wing conspiracy about george floyd and no one is covering the death of a retired Police Officer in st louis Rudy Giuliani was one of the orchestrators of stop and frisks frisk campaign in new york city which has now been proven to be unconstitutional because it clearly targeted black and brown people ringback. So when you invoke Rudy Giuliani as your as your source of insight i find that to be deeply deeply flawed hell definitely deny that what is the role of police and thats what you know im sure thats exactly what you do well what is the role of police today in the United States because i mean many socalled liberal cities like minneapolis to blast his new york 5000000000 dollar budget. On police in oakland half its money and its budget spent on police even in these supposedly progressive Cities Police seems to be the number one priority often stated as why is it given so much more priority than i dont know homelessness and. How that vulnerable that excellent thats an excellent question the mayor of l. A. Just announced that a significant portion of the budget that was going to Police Officers is now going to be redirected into certain communities of color to support these very kinds of efforts now i would say that is a good starting point but i think part of what has happened is over the course of the years there has been an increase in the political rhetoric around safety and around. Crime which as this part of the larger Prison Industrial Complex right you ramp up this this kind of idea that everybody is unsafe and we need more policing because theres such a huge threat and of Course Police unions and such benefit from that and the coffers start to feel right and what we what we know is that crime in the last 10 years has actually precipitous league gone down but you would not know that based on the political rhetoric and the hype around criminality that persist so it makes it very so any politician whether youre on the right or the left that invokes a certain kind of reference for the police or reverence for increasing security actually built up a lot of points right so it becomes very difficult it becomes very difficult to argue against those types of funding for those departments when they now have so much not only presence and power but now because of all of this money thats flowing into their coffers they also have a lot of lobbying power. So that part of what youre seeing police as i understand they were created in the south to track down runaway slaves as it is a time now to hand the police i think what we need is radical reform i dont think you can expect to change any of these kinds of dynamics of violence in the policing system if you dont have levels of accountability studies have shown that many white lease officers have of more racist and racial insensitivity issues than the general white. Population we see that its almost impossible to convict. A Police Officer for the killing of africanamericans i think in minnesota that only happened like once and so yeah that the end of the police i think the end of policing as we as we understand it now i think there needs to be a policing that is accountable to those communities that the police what we know now is that most Police Officers do not live in the communities that they police so we need to change those those kinds of policies theres no real talk of reparations being paid to black communities that have been systematically underfunded over over generations but one monmouth or institute survey claims that of the people that responded 54 percent thought it was possibly justified to burn down a Police Station thats white and black people being told what exactly is going on in the United States weve heard people to vote Martin Luther kings statement that by that is the force of the on her im sure about now though the world has seen that horrendous video of what was a public lynching. So people are outraged and rightly so little when you can take somebody who is not convicted but who was unarmed acute mind you he will accuse of something right that taney and put him in the police car like were he to take his hands up in a police car you take him out of the police car wrestle him to the ground and literally kill him as people around are watching saying and filming saying the guys dying why dont you get the knee of its neck and literally put your hand in your pocket and literally snuff the life out of him. The fact that there is that type of violence that we see in response to that is its highly predictable given that the issue is not so much the way in which people are looking at Property Damage on that is the problem is how is it that weve tolerated this type of violence and destruction of human life not physical property but human life for so long they want to be in charge as i say and as you know very well many politicians equating human life with property as far as i can understand it and thats true and thats our White Supremacy and hopefully people are finally starting to carve that out what it is what will advance has allowed i thought well it just has allowed obama and of course black lives matter started under obama obamas rhetoric arguably that it fizzle out likewise matter whats going to happen with these protests are going to has a lot of the black vote Matter Movement started because a White Supremacy Police Brutality in ferguson. Black obama happened to be the president under that particular regime and unlike what is happening today there was actually a conversation about what is going on there was actually engaged minute in terms of whats going on. Keep going because you keep bringing up barack obama i will remind you that when he was in. I have written a book that ive been very critical of a lot of policies that he did so i am certainly no low you know im not writing for a bombing in a kind of a but facts matter so when he was a senate it illinois he was part of a chief sponsor of a bill to address Police Brutality that put cameras in cop cars to address issues of racial profiling that proved to be very substantial donald trump yes legacy is of accusing those young black men in in new york in that central park right tragedy of doing something that now we know they did not do a column for the Death Penalty of these men that is his legacy a legacy of racist profiling in his businesses and all this stuff is well documented i think the question that you asked i think that is a very good question is will will the movement feel so i think theres something thats going on here that we have not seen before and one of those things is a kind of cross racial participation if you go when you look in places like Salt Lake City that has a black population of less than 5 percent and theyve got major rallies where you are or there is a there was a major rally and princeton new jersey for example there are rallies in maine and some of these rallies are mostly white people mostly middle class white people so youre seeing this is this is not like ferguson this is much this is this has much more reach across racial lines so i think that in and of itself. Means that there will be some traction beyond the protests on this at least that is what my hope is professor david baker i thank you aaron. Thank you after the break Stanford University Nobel Prize Winning professor Michael Leavitt on why the pandemic may be over much sooner than we think and why nationwide lockdowns and social distancing have nothing to do with it all the more going on but through going underground. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race off and spearing Dramatic Development only personally im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful its very critical time to sit down and talk. You know were number one movie capital in United States we all slow number one. To determine. How many of the my you shall before. Us which for most. People you so incredibly well you got to we can jump shot in order to exclude. Like a lying in a most other one. Piece of most of the bees so this is somebody who it is at the root for. Show its seemed wrong when old rules just dont hold. Any new world that hes yet to shape out of disdain he comes to advocate and in games from an equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to guest on the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Welcome back the u. S. And the u. K. Have been among countries worst hit by coronavirus with some of the highest death tolls in the world but the trumpet ministration in Boris Johnsons government have been criticized for acting late but Nobel Prize Winning by a physicist at Stanford University professor Michael Leavitt who accurately predicted apparently the slowdown of coronavirus cases in china believes the nationwide lockdowns imposed were repelled by panic rather than signs he joins me now via skype from tel aviv thank you so much michel for coming on thats a start of 1st principles if we may every day in britain were told of how the nort numbers signalling the rate of infection basically dictates how society should operate i understand you claim that our north is the what were being told were out firstly what youre being told is our t. V. Or our effect which are not never change they are theyre telling you is basically how at any point in time. One case in fact how many other cases so it does change with time its not on your toes its our teen or any more effective. I am not a fan of this number because its actually very very difficult to calculate and its not a very easy number. The reason is is that basically if you need to. Calculate going back a certain number of days usually 7 or even more than that and this means that theres no way to get any information early on in the epidemic i must say ive talked to many epically ologists and offered to give me their computer programs to cut out are there or they really arent easy or talk and i prefer a much simpler measure which anybody can understand and that is the ratio of the number of cases today the total number of cases youre right about the total number of cases yesterday if you want to ask about new cases new cases involve differences of 2 number of new cases depending the day of the week may depend on your collection procedure so basically this whole fixation on r. Is really not a good idea and just so our viewers know youre a pioneering. Scientist in molecular dynamics in protein structure itself why would our chief scientists medical offices here in london the downing street then tell us that it depends on north whether we can go out of doors or see our relatives what they really mean is this whether the number of cases are increasing or not and i think that anyone into a tree would say that if the number of new cases today is less than 100 new cases yesterday were going to before then we are not growing rep a sickly sorry down and theres been a case in britain for many many weeks now lets just get to the fact that obviously we have more than 60000 that certainly excess death figures may be here and before Boris Johnsons top scientific scientific model or Neil Ferguson left his position he claimed that without social distancing. Basically the deaths could be 250000 deaths here in britain in the u. K. He actually actually came out over estimate well i think the difficulty here is that you know. That number was based on various assumptions i got to a Different Number based on observation without any assumption that sort of what has happened in other locations such as the city of lacan in china the don and princes cruise ship and they gave numbers that were about 110th the numbers coming out of Imperial College the fact remains that we dont have to really speculate switzerland had a rather mild lockdown trains continued people could travel freely sweden has a much milder lock on than anybody the predicted numbers to sweden where around 60000. 00 sweden it looks like its going to stop at 6000. 00 at the most so basically you know you dont have to worry about risk in the usa this myras really does seem to be limiting it gets to about. 5028000. Per 1000000 people and it stops and this we have seen in so many places i dont think thats a northern italy practiced wonderful social distancing i dont think the social distancing was practiced wonderfully in new york city what happened was that this virus is no skin factious and most dangerous before you actually know its there and thats right if youre an island and you say no one comes into my island that worked for taiwan but if you wait until everyone is to youve had enough cases and everyones been mixed and then you know it has no effect because everyone whos going to be inspected has a ready been infected and that thing will progress so this is what happened in new york city to get them to various. Misapprehend or mistakes i guess about where the subway should keep on running with they should be running more crowded lakes and the same thing happened in london and you know in some ways it might be a good thing i think thats a really you said you said the policy of herd immunity is the right policy basically we see indications that sweden. So well its you know handwringing about the method of trying very very hard to get different areas of sweden saturated what usually happens is that in london im sure one is saturated im sure there are some parts of england and United Kingdom but have not been nearly as hard hit and you know i think whats happening in sweden is that these places that being identified and theyre allowed to continue are now when i say that the deaths get up to about 110000000. Thats assuming that we are not able to specifically protect the very old people os the deaths are over 85 in or that we were in a very very large sample are Something Like 160000 excess deaths that weve seen in europe collected in a in a very careful way hot of those deaths of people over 85 and i think that no country has succeeded in having a lot of infection and protecting those people start in some ways the death become a proxy for how much infection youve had i think if one set as a goal to minimize you know you could argue that if its not government policy would be to. Try to minimize the death to avoid public outcry but next a micro level of infection and you could have done that by simply that only people wearing protective gear go in and out nobody you know someone messing them to the other etc its a very expensive solution and i really dont believe that governments even given this choice would have done it except you could argue that the reason they look down which is a much more expensive solution is because of the public outcry so you could argue that a smart policy would be to protect the elderly not necessarily because you are concerned about protecting somebody whos 85. 00 and could easily got a natural death in the next 6 month. But the grizzlies that are counted once the time may lead to a great deal of public concern protect the death even at a very high cost and then let the inspection get on with itself corona is extremely. Kind i would guess to people under 65. 00 the normal fraction of death for people under 65. 00 is 16 percent coronavirus is a tough that level fell basically you know if youre under 65. 00 you have about twice the chance of die naturally as from coronavirus no natural death includes Car Accidents and so exciting Everything Else but basically when youre over 85. 00 corona is century the same level as the national so maybe maybe governments should immediately have 45 can homes as you say disproportionately affected by corona virus but you do seem to be suggesting then that the lockdown is a complete waste of time that as britain was having exponential growth there should have been no lock down even the swedish chief epidemiologist and his take not says that sweden should have adopted similar strategies to other countries presumably those that implemented a lockdown much on i dont believe that accurate. I would say this you know i think its pressuring sweden sweden is acting very clearly in a way that keeps the cases going the death of now reached the max and thats the coming down you know i think a lot of whats reported on sweden is wrong sweden is going to saturate with a population fatality ratio between 5. 61 the rest of europe on average is 488. 00 per 1000000 i would imagine it written is higher than that i mean belgium is higher than that so it depends and this is for the whole the whole area including places like germany and so on so i dont think that is true i think the important thing is that you know theres a big distinction between lockdown and social distancing social distancing as a whole row theres a whole range of different measures of social distancing so for example if you do want to stop your country being infected closing the borders you know when you heard about mohan would have worked it probably would have had a cost but i think the problem is is that look down you know just even the name locked down its not Something Like you know ill down its a great shock has a lot of unintended consequences a lot of economic damage crudely huge social damage. Schooling damage deferred medical care damage things we dont even know about and you know its certainly the receivers certainly are talking about the Economic Impact on mortality but then all in all youre suggesting that israel australia austria those countries will ultimately be worst hit because they did have strict lock downs and youre also saying we should believe the chinese to distance. The chinese citizens are absolutely fine i mean i looked at them in great detail and discovered thats what happened in china aside a cool day is exactly the same dynamics of the kind as what happens in new zealand so if china is forging things they must have a time machine if the time machine you know they beat nothing any competition any right so its not even worth thinking about it i mean the the curves for new zealand and all of china except for banks are super imposable you know i should also say that i say and epidemic is a dynamic object that has a something is changing with time and this is very much an expertise of human economics simulations all the time dependent phenomena so i see many of the same issues of how you integrate the equation and so on coming up again and again and again professor Michael Leavitt thank you. Thank you very much thats it for the show will be back on monday with george boyds alleged police one of the walking uprisings across the western world sunday of years in the media liz court monday will tomorrow 52 years to the day for the rest of mother to be judy is assassin James Earl Ray at Londons Heathrow airport until then wash your hands and join me on the ground of following up on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram its not about. Some people its on this protest across america right now bolshevik red revolution to kind of make a reference to the workers uprising that we saw in the old in korea russia. And youve got a new imperium here in america a lead story can telling errors and the workers suddenly realize that wait a minute we dont want to live under a dictatorship we dont want to live under a monarchy of some a good Old Fashioned bolshevik revolution which has led to the only happening because. We go to work so straight home. 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