Scheer Robert Scheer its an honor to have you on the show great to be here you are bad i truly legendary career as a journalist ramparts magazine in the l. A. Times the nation true dig radio shows things have changed a lot over the years in some ways theyre actually fewer gate keepers then when you started and you know anyone can post articles online and ostensibly get them seen by the world but on the other hand the Mainstream Media is now owned by just a handful of massive corporations how do you feel journalism and news media have changed over the course of your career is it better or worse. We should not under our underestimate the worse at least there used to be something about attracting eyeballs or having readers and so when i was at the l a times it wasnt easy to fire me because there were lots of people want to read me so there was a marketplace restraint that is gone now they dont need eyeballs would you targeted advertising with the surveillance that is the norm to the internet they can get all the readers of the New York Times for without putting an ad in the New York Times so the Business Model is broken and its just become a playground for the rich or for people who want to influence opinion they can buy the soul trash and newspapers and so thats thats the bad part of it theres absolutely no free market restraint there is nothing of that so im on the other hand as long as we have Net Neutrality the very instrument that killed journalism is a model the internet is also quite liberating and that you know i did have true to a guy now i have sure posts and im able to interview you for example at the modern Technology Gives us a lot of voices out there which is why they want to smash Net Neutrality and centrist saying everybody talks about contests and imus and b. C. And these i want to ships as if they have no politics but the fact is you know theyre the people who dont want the extra net to be free they dont like to cop this united parents their profit model but right now we have a great opportunity to talk to reach people to question. And you know so again its the best and worst of all times its the model that the fountains had in mind for a free press which i would remind you when they wrote that into the constitution you dont have to have a lot of money to be oppressed you didnt have to be a white guy probably with some means but you can. You know any printer driver if you will or your like you know champaign he was a wild radical but you know he had an affair with printers right. Thats what happened well well your your journalism has as good as a shining star in a lot of big moments you know youre against the iraq war from the start and continue to put forward the crazy idea that there were no weapons of mass destruction there and more recently your previous outlet truthdig was one of the few progressive outlets to stand up against russia gave hysteria and question the the mainstream Neil Mccarthy s narrative which is now completely collapsed how hard is it to push back against those narratives when you really the entire National Security state and theyre still not refers in the Corporate Media are trumpeting that viewpoint nonstop. Well theyre going to lose you know chris its totally irrational and now to shifting the china putin doesnt make a good target and so hard to do red baiting without a read you know and then you but i just was reading the i need to view a lot of people in russia i was there for the l. A. Times when gorbachev was there and i reviewed his book on perestroika from moscow news and from the l. A. Times and you know that was the end of russian communism in full came in as it basically whatever his background everybody or russia had something to do with the r. T. But the fact is he came from the leningrad group and he was a reformer d and he was the choice i was there at and they hes the one they position and everybody forgets who ran and is the one who defeats the communist party that remains and russia is an anticommunist hes even to brace the what the docs religion and so forth so he makes a lousy enemy china. Is still a communist country you know and so is vietnam by the way by a communist party but date as opposed to our image of communism as an International Conspiracy they are quite nationalistic and as a result there theres tension between the 2 while now putin has decided not to. You know trump has decided to take on china because russia is not a good enough target in the discontinuous is the establishment because we need china as the factory floor for the world and so forth and so its very confusing and hes seized upon this a pandemic as an excuse for having a new kind of red baiting waynes actually got a red its got a communist party the trouble with from yunus our better recap what it was and then we are and the really shocking thing of this damage is that they have organized more effectively to deal with it and take care of their people and just about everybody in the world has done better than american capitalism in. The liberal Health Service taking care of the population we have the worst record right now and thats a bank black mark against our system and the idea that we were arguing about medicare for all and Bernie Sanders very Reasonable Health Care things now seems absurd when you have at the center of the most advanced medical system in america new york you have the center of this vast tragedy so i think this is a great teaching moment and the folly of the new cold war is it didnt have sense when you didnt have wrestle who is certainly makes no sense when you have these communist capitals in china who are better at doing capitalism then we are yeah and you know unless people forget the pivot towards asia go really against asia started under obama because they were fearing you know chinas economic influence and and theyre gaming the gaming on us 59000. 00 americans for just have memorial day die supposedly stop in communism vietnam and we wasted you know we killed what between 4 and 5000000 indochinese people ok were killed in that war and what happened we lost and that war the most ignominious defeat and communist china communist vietnam went to war ended and they said theyre who i am right now when if they talk about getting apple out of china or dead American Companies they dont want to go to communist vietnam so these labels were absurd back then theyre absolutely not so now what he was describing you know and ill give you one little anecdote when i interviewed when i reviewed gorbachev smoke in moscow from moscow news i quoted from the communist manifesto where karl marx wrote that praising capitalism drag me in the ne a syrah life and building these great cities and so forth and you go yakovlev a great honor to this city that was so that i said to me your communist manifesto he didnt have one so i had to run around moscow i found one. Trench i ran back and jill meagher on the congressman here it is you know. You mentioned the vietnam war i heard a horrifying statistic the other day that the Vietnam Memorial wall is you know a few 100 feet long because its got every every american who died in the vietnam war if it were actually included all the names of the vietnamese who died in the vietnam war in our vietnam war then it would be 4 miles or so long. Miles Something Like that man is several miles long but instead its just a few 100 feet because we only include the americans but i wanted to you know i want to talk about i dont want to run out of time i wanted to mention that you have interviewed every president from Richard Nixon all the way through bill clinton and it seems like every 4 years we end up in these this this crazy lesser of 2 evil debate that just seems endless i mean right now were literally deciding between a and old rich white man with racist policies and Sexual Assault allegations against him and donald trump i mean they have a lot in common trump and biden and i just want your thoughts on this this lesser than 2 evils debate we end up in every 4 years. Momus girls married to the red baiting that became the big cop out for the Democratic Party the fact is its a principle donald trump was a creation of the establishment ok you know i. Knew the Mainstream Television everything i didnt go to get invited to his wedding Hillary Clinton and bill clinton went to his wedding and you know so he was considered no just fine back there you know d and and what happened was he built up a right wing demagogic position which basically involves racism and baiting the only people that really work hard all the time in our country which are the undocumented workers just ethnic bashing as an excuse to protect dominant capital and theyre really powerful rich people who created the housing meltdown for example was all going to wall street and it was done through the deregulation of bill clinton going along with the republicans ending the new deal restraints on wall street i wrote a book called the Great American stock up its all in there and so what happened is that when hillary ran she couldnt define herself as a populist which you needed which is what you have been very sad those are Elizabeth Warren and he said she tried to say we have no problems its just these deplorable is going to trump and will notice a lot of pain in america and effects one people also a lot of them one for trump and also by the way affected brown and black people much more the great victims of bill clintons deregulation was very well for example with Federal Reserve tells us that College Educated black people know a 70 percent of their wealth not their annual income you know whoa wealth and brown people lost 60 percent they lost their homes they were sold to sucker mortgages and everything what you hear is well i didnt say you know if you dont accept me youre not youre not a black person but the real issue was they misread baby and thats why our early discussion is relevant because senator Hillary Clinton is saying look at. Ive got to disagree with my husbands fall cs even though i was there ive got to use you know even challenge obamas policies because what did obama do he bailed out wall street didnt have a moratorium on foreclosures he didnt help people stay in their own so he took all of that money and gave her a tsunami and what did Hillary Clinton by was she very angry with Julian Assange should Edward Snowden what did you even sometimes reveal he revealed what she said member Bernie Sanders said you must be given some great speeches for 3 quarters of a 1000000. 00 you know 20 minute speeches each and and we now know thanks to a claim is that Julian Assange gave us that material through wiki leaks to learn sitting there with Lloyd Blankfein one of the architects of the whole wall street us all she says you guys are so smart you have to come with me to washington to fix these economic problems and thats what was revealed that set the heart of russia that is it you know what were the big c. Rist a big influence had nothing to do with numbers and not in the provinces and screwing around the internet and had to do with real it reveal not the desk now who was up to his eyeballs in all this stuff was out to attack bernie and undermine him and not reveal the content of Hillary Clintons shameless speeches to wall street where she defended and she said you had a smart guy youll know how to fix this problem will donald trump was running on the pain of ordinary americans who had lost their houses who weve had no improvement of income equality and since clinton was president in a little bit at time we have a lot of suffering out there for all people why brown black male female what have you Hillary Clinton was tone deaf she did not address it said went for the big money from wall street was there darling and as a result of disinterested noble populists this total who just a trunk could pose as a populous used to right wing rhetoric and actually not do so. I mean nobody expected going to actually when you can argue about the electoral vote listening that the amazing thing is that this guy was able to repopulate and it was because we didnt have a progressive furder were going to go a populist progressive alternative and once again they theyre united to destroy granny who you know what everybody forgets democratic socialism which they hung around its neck you know thats supposed to be the opposite of the communist model you know most of the people who ran western europe and brought it to prosperity whether it was really brought or any of these people were democratic socialists and yet somehow the Democratic Party are united around making democratic socialism an ugly term well new day new deal of Franklin Roosevelt was democratic socialism all the sand this is basic shit people were going to have the rocks f. D. R. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was our hero and all you ever wanted to do was bring back the spirit of franklin Delano Roosevelt and the democratic stablish we didnt want to hear a word its critical to a short break but check out my Award Winning a podcast common censored and my new book bullet points and punch lines you can get it at least camp book dot com ill be right back with a lot more. Of the most a clip of still no use to split them on a scale but the way its always ok it was of the historical moment of the late. You know. Immediately. They can put us the wouldnt get the curtains up. To open the. Pathway yet. The. E. A. s up. The spiral downwards depending on who you believe in the media the civil unrest in america is the result of systematic racism this explains protest and writing but does it the commanding heights controlling the Financial System media and the Business World are loath to admit it its the economy stupid for them graze all these. Seemed wrong but. Just dont hold. Any new gold that is yet to shape out these days become educated and engaged equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back im still e. Camp without further ado the rest of my interview with journalist and author Robert Scheer you wrote an outstanding book titled the pornography of power that really breaks down the military Industrial Complex and how it turned into the runaway monster that it now is you know the stated budget of our military is over 730000000000. 00 thats the stated budget not even the black budget and that accounts for 40 percent of Global Military spending one country is 40 percent of the military spending in the world do you see any difference between the 2 parties on that front end and what will it take to slow or stop the gravitational pull of this mass murder machine. Ok well listen probably destroy what remains of my career. Iraq among them arent me and im going to say a kind word about trunk and that mix trust me i know its a trumpet and d. I you know i live in california where we are totally dependent upon the best group in our entire population were just people who come from mexico crystal they dont even come as laura serato said i didnt cross the border the border crossed me so we are actually living in what should be mexico and thanks we have this incredibly productive population that does everything raises the kids does the work that it does everything there is no you cant have a day without a Mexican American or mexican or of some emigrant clearly on every level but the fact of matter is he played the racist neofascist card hes very dangerous im not going to minimize that the road the truck is going down is one of religious hatred racism its a straps people at least some pencil i would mean by neo fascists is an extremely dangerous model why do way it works and im not going to do german baiting here is fathers from germany because so was mine and it took the most advanced civilized educated population down the path of the greatest barbarism of modern history so we know where fascism goes at it but the problem is you cant defeat it by denying that there are problems that thats the whole issue and when you look at what the democrats want to get messed with by and if they put another biden type person in the Vice President my goodness you know maybe if they did Elizabeth Warren or bernie you know at least say ok theres some little checks here but the fact in bar is joe biden has stood for imus gets back to your point about the military budget hes going for the biggest military budget and id least i dont trump has question you know. Efficacy of all of his military spending you know so what you need is a big enemy and the real reason for anger we coach is that he did not play that role you know we want an enemy and theyre not good at it you know he keeps talking about on control he thinks its a loser the chinese are worse as an enemy because they really want that silk road they want trade they believe in capitals dragonfly you know putin does but its more of a cartel capitalism hes not gotten its a click yet but the chinese a model is one that is really threatening to the apologist for the american empire because theyre coming along saying hey we all want to play here you know the pakistanis want to play and people in india want to play and in brazil they want to play and you know you guys dont own it all and so the red baiting now is extremely dangerous and unfortunately biden is at the center of it because his whole attack on trump is not really all responses its red baiting and youre a pretty pathetic when you try to turn donald trump into some kind of commie you know it was some kind of cool name its just more work i mean a guy a blow you out of water every single time you know and its a good team when you your question and your brilliant why do i put it youve been very flattering what you wrote about those missing amounts of money and you will we always get confused between the billions and trillions and everything but the fact of the matter is the only way you can justify that pentagon budget as donald trump point out there were in the beginning my book just before 911 was you got to have an enemy and they didnt have one the cold war was over and the reason you got all this stuff you know and russian red baiting is you want to get me that is how you justify the military budget and if the russians not to do reasonable things in the mideast and they try to negotiate with other people like turkey or the palestinian. Then you dont have a justification for your big military budget so its not enough counting the old its a fact finding a move to resist the whole war without a cold war ending you dont have it im so thankful you took the time to talk with us your post dot com is the website i hope everyone checks it out and thank you again so much for here if you are and finally the mind blowing somewhat hidden origin of the pledge of allegiance which i dont know about you but i was forced to say every morning of every day in Public School theres Natalie Mcgill with that mind blowing old news. If you ask a child today if they still recite the pledge of allegiance before they start school replies. What the school we havent been there in 3 months which makes it all the more likely they have no clue why they recite the pledge in the 1st place but the origin of the pledge includes all of the things that have come to define america like capitalism genocide slavery nationalism mass hysteria and tiny american flags that were probably made in china the 1st ever pledge recited in schools came from veteran civil war colonel george 1885 who in a salute to the flag grow we give our heads and our hearts to god and our country one country one language one flag nowadays you can find the tail end of that pledge on a Bumper Sticker in a state thats reopening to sea during a pandemic. And it definitely wont have the right flag on it. But bulges version found competition several years later from a pledge written by Francis Bellamy a minister turned magazine writer who traded in his pulpit for a pen to work in a family magazine called the use companion written during a time when print media from any distance looked like what mr magoo sees when he takes an eye exam in 8092. 00 bellamy was part of an elaborate marketing scheme to sell more magazines in which they use companion stuff miniature american flags and the issues for readers who sold subscriptions the idea was to ensure millions of children across the country had those flags on hand this summer break the 400th anniversary of everyones favorite genocidal colonizer Christopher Columbus sailing across the Atlantic Ocean to the new world where millions of people already live flags went up bellamy was also asked to create an own for the children to recite at school and after 2 hours of brain farts bellamy came up with i pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all but if youre wondering hey isnt this missing a couple things like the words under god in United States protracted yawn of a high schooler who barely now did it 7 am then youre right to be suspicious because the only thing thats gone under more revisions than the pledge is the mascot for guy go insurance. The 1st revisions in 19231924 specified good School Children pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of america and were the result of the scutcheon from National Civic and military groups at the National Flag conference a meeting that sounds so boring that its almost cruel and unusual it was held during prohibition so no one could drink during it yet the finishing touch on the pledge we know to. They occurred during the cold war of 1954 when congress is never ending quest to undermine the perceived threat of godless communism prompted them to write a bill that would add we are one nation under god to the pledge but the shutdown the argument that this language my violate the separation of church and state the bills language read the phrase under god recognizes only guidance of god in our National Affairs whether or not you believe in god i have a feeling no one relies on his guidance to put kids in cages or create massive wealth inequality and im certain that politicians like senator Lindsey Graham never seek his guidance before they do or say anything especially since people usually say gods name in vain whenever they hear him talk mr george w. Bush i want your approach right well the origins of todays pledge and each revision only further stoke the fires of intense nationalism at the expense of Indigenous People cultural acceptance and diplomacy and that type of nationalism look stupid when our country hasnt even dispensed the better version of the show love island let alone liberty and justice for all. Game. And i want anything for it so as long as covert 19 continues to expose the worst of our countrymen maybe we can revise the pledge again i dont know maybe switch it up and say one nation under god through lou instead or maybe we can pledge allegiance to each other rather than a flag that represents corporate america. I mean unless that flag waving outside of a popeyes now that something were putting your hand over your heart for. 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