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A lot of these occupations then protests and rallies are really happening organically and its. Led by community and its very grassroots so im just part of the organization thats been responsible so that means on the ground but i dont what the prime it is that there is a centralized leadership thats guiding whats happening on the ground because thats not the case last week. Minneapolis president africanamerican male by the name of george floyd went to his local Neighborhood Grocery store to purchase some items and as he was walking up the store Police Officers approached him and immediately threw him onto that ground and then proceeded to. Place one part where our. Presence of plays his knee on georges neck for about 10 minutes which george its higher time pleading for his life saying i cant breathe in calling for a mob saying you know i cant breathe i need you to let off my neck and mind you dozens of Community Residents were filming that happen so we watched by minute minute by minute as the life was stripped from george floor its body and next thing you know we have in our local media saying that george died as a result of a medical incident where you clearly see a Police Officer sobbing and murdering help well why do you think very cool to parents has been postponed this week and the Minnesota Attorney general Keith Ellison saying he doesnt want to rush to investigate the 3 of the Police Officers who stood silently by as joe in a part of the committed 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. I think its. It looks eyes just how incompetent our political leaders are in this moment how disconnected and dismissal they are or of of the uprisings being led by black and brown youth by black community almost Diverse Communities are coming through minneapolis in our working class communities and organizing in saying that no not yet you still have only arrest and charge and a 3rd degree murder charge and you can ignore arresting the other 3 officers thats been involved and then you wait suppose pole. The the trial of the that he murder people are demanding that all 4 officers be charged and become a victim and theres evidence why do you need to do our draw now investigation that we know time and time again yields to. Acquittals we should be prepping for a trial that yields a good shit and incarceration of all 4 officers that involve well speaking about political leaders and of course this in the context of the usa apparently under all the martial law ironically joe biden seems to be making capital for his president ial Campaign Given the democrat president ial candidate supported segregation and spearheaded mass incarceration of people of color. Yeah joe biden president ial nominee joe biden has been entrenched with both Political Party as well as the big Business Class that basically reinforces the need for massive policing of black and brown communities as you are already highlighting biden has been part alone history of criminalizing black and brown folks thats been a cork aspect of his political career has been finding ways so exploiting incarcerate in hard black and brown folks a yes hes here in this terrible it will moment moment thing black people trust me to be your president and to work on your behalf folks are right now politically desperate folks realize that. We might not be ever to survive another 4 years and when we say we like elect we black or brown folks and working class and poor folks might not be able to make it through another 4 years of a trout administration that is the reality that africanamericans are facing in everything but to make a choice between the lesser of 2 evils course buckeyes my as a began after Police Killing under the Obama Presidency obama proudly making documentaries for netflix you mentioned the big business cluster capitalist multinationals are you happy on the ground there in minneapolis being supported by multinationals like Disney Netflix and others who are tweeting their support for the george floyd protest as. Thats contradictory i think i can even localize that for our context right now target which is a multibillion Dollar Corporation that was founded in 20 cities has also tweeted in support of the uprising thats happening on the ground and yet oh my they were also one of the corporations that has been repeatedly charged with committing waged against us hourly workers which are typically black and brown folks so the question is that these corporations if youre really supportive of black and brown lives why dont you pay them livable wages why dont you provide no job security why dont you allow them to unionize instead of costly busting their efforts to join unions so that they can be able to not negotiate for better pay if you really care about those lies why are you so keen on protecting systems that allow them to be what its a be harm it specially this Target Corporation here they had a partnership in contract with many apples Police Departments well where they brought Police Officers in to figure out to try out new surveillance techniques where they would try to you know capture black and brown shoplifters they dont pay property taxes you ok workers what they deserve do that 1st that there was talk about supporting the movement well those corporations deny racism talk giving the working class and all these multinationals designed any illegality when it comes to that tax practices just on the ground there Amnesty International the ngo is. The britain should immediately freeze its export of rubber bullets and tear gas to the United States which are part of the amnesty says is british law what is the use of rubber bullets and tear gas that you witnessed during these protests all of those weapons have been used on local and peaceful protests there so yes the working class or socialist. Personal and as a social act activists we what encourage more countries to eliminate access to these weapons which our local military military forces and Police Forces are using on Peaceful Protesters if people of color use their constitutional right to carry weapons like those a white protest is complimented by President Trump for demonstrating for hakka joining coronavirus which is killed more than a 100000. 00 in your country what do you think would happen to them if we are already had. I had higher war effort structure right now where you have a militarized police force galvanizing around our city for an armed protesters right now just off the fact that there are black. And these folks have no weapons could you imagine what would happen if folks were really armed i dont know if you know about the case where. Historically our state has launched deadly attacks through book form the bombing on black and brown communities when they let massive civil unrest i can anticipate that that would not be something that would be off the table for our state leaders to say we are going to do even more Excessive Force just the subdue the uprising against unjust system so yes every community should have every right to defend themselves and we have to mute the defense the mideast but yes you can imagine that there would be all out war that the state launched against black and brown Peaceful Protesters if they decided to massively arm themselves but that is not the point were at we are really have that happening when folks just have in their bodies no weapons we have both been shot at were rubber bullets yes were just sitting on the sidelines or caring for injured protesters we have a civil war right now in minneapolis between the state our police force and the working class and black and Brown Community something that i want to clarify in terms of playing the murder george ploy what i mean lee happened was there was a protest car by several several rights organizations. To have folks meet up at the site of the murder and neck protests well to about 20000. 00 folks probably the largest antipolice groups however the march definitely in minnesota and maybe in the in the u. S. And after the protests started their folks were moved to go to the 3rd precinct polling station where the murderers worked at and over the span of several days you had massive protests there were basically directing their anger their. Fireball anger and frustration at the physical. Building itself the Police Station build it folks turned over cards they damaged windows all of those were rocks not that we pulled out nods or nothing and that was led by black and brown but black and route you know Civil Rights Group came in. Less doing this no one was able to manage or pacify the uprising that was starts a board out on the ground and initially rippled out throughout the city that didnt result in damages to corporate businesses to banks these are all corporate forces that costly and exploit our communities on a day to day basis. In both fires being that it was clear that this was something therefore we couldnt just have go back to the usual of you also might i kill less of a process and then less trust our Civic Leaders or our manage your class activists to lobby with the Political Class or not be have about a moderate and bare minimum reforms so that has really been sustaining pressures on our political and Business Class to really reposition themselves that they may we need to divest from the police state so over we have had a sustained uprising that has brought in so many folks from all across the cities all across the country working class black or brown folks who are trying to figure out how to really. Dismantle our states cash mit partnership with the police force who are really challenging a core aspect of racial capitalism at this moment and its beautiful to bear witness to that hopefully in this moment were creating our turn it up to our policing work rayna our target to. A system of racial last capitalism that we know in light of color is. Well and its particularly moment we know that the system can last the standards or be able to meet our basic necessities because its to focus our preserving the interests and needs of the Business Class and as long as you have a system that is beholden to the business working class and black or brown both were always not be afterguard and were always going to be treated as expendable so it was like great to have that rubber ones i thank you. Yes after the break as iranian ships to liberate to venezuela was venezuelas foreign minister right when he claimed on this program that washington may soon no longer be able to call the shots in the western hemisphere as the e. U. U. S. And u. K. Seek to topple president Nicolas Maduro we speak to one of his long time critics economist Francisco Rodriguez all the same all coming up but you have going on the ground. Ah no team no crowd. No shots no. Action just felt. You know lets track no 1st. Point should your thirst for action. You cannot be bold with the yeah you like. To. Welcome back on sundays going underground while the exclusive interview with venezuelan foreign minister what harry outside made multiple allegations of getting u. S. Sanctions are directly linked to the plight of millions of venezuelans leaving the country he also claimed the bank of england was responsible for the fact of faffed of funds knee. Aided by the venezuelan people to pay for supplies in a time of coronavirus u. K. Pm Boris Johnson called developing a postcoup unit in the British Foreign office and actually invited one guy to downing street theyre recognized as president of venezuela by the e. U. U. K. And usa arietta said going to go has no Democratic Authority joining me now via skype from new york is a former advisor to venezuela president ial candidate only falcone who ran against president during 2800 hes also the founder and director of oil for venezuela president so much for coming on to as i say told us on saturday u. S. Sanctions of cripple the economy forcing some to leave the country do you do agree with that i think sanctions have definitely have a negative effect on the thats an economy thats undeniable not to attribute the primary responsibility of whats happening to their soil or to the economic sanctions that think its going a bit overboard are the realities that this country has been seriously mismanage for more than 20 years this country underwent a huge oil boom the largest possible terms of trade shock experienced by any country in the region was experienced by this fellow between 199920138 squandered all of it had absolutely no savings left us so now the countries actually seeking help either from economies like irans were which have also been sanctioned but which have been able to manage through our be a greece of the oil market much better than it had been so that this isnt going to say. Those who support the bolivarian revolution say that it was the greatest Literacy Program in World History this is what youre talking about a squandering ive got to ask you because i think i wrote and i wrote an article that was published in a peer review journal are showing that the claims of the Literacy Program were vastly exaggerated and that if that the increase in literacy it was not different after you cant order temporal trends then you are the increase that was happening in the preacher up experience and area itself so. Made the allegation that the un figure a 4 and a half 1000000 fleeing venezuela was wrong he said it was far less than that you know along with the un figure yes naturally i think that somewhere underestimated in fact my figures point to numbers which already close to 6000000 persons and the reality is that those numbers are for a large part drawn on our household surveys taken in neighboring countries and if anything this might actually underestimate the amount of and so on migration because theres irregular migration is inadequate be countered by those surveys about to return to the issue of sanctions i must say i mean i well the definitely the moderates how is governments did a lot of harm to the economy sanctions are also harming the economy significantly and if that some of my in purple work shows that sanctions are associated with a decline of Oil Production equivalent to and to raise prices more than 10000000000. 00 a foregone more revenue that this is a lot of money for a country like that its all that and its and these sanctions have been tightened this year so i do agree that sanctions are contributing to better sauce decline and i do agree that sanctions are fueling the exodus are i would dispute any assertion that they are the primary costs so ive got to ask you about the socalled bay of piglets coup attempt by an apparent florida based mercenary firm what was your reaction and what do you make of mike pompei oh u. S. Secretary of state saying the usa had no direct involvement in the coup in may well ive learned over time to treat the type of statements very carefully and to read between the lines so if secretary pompeo felt that need to use the word direct then i think that that strongly suggest that there were some in the wreck and the involvement given that day is that the contract for that operation was signed by 2 or one by those top advisers and theyve admitted. For their signature as they are the equivalent of cabinet level position assad that are held by these 2 persons or that were held in the by the administration then it seems hard for me to believe that the us was not informed d us this in the dark but not know about this not only that but the contract that should be untied all of these mercenaries to take actions which are clearly are unconstitutional and by a lead International Law such as the use of land mines such as effectively imprisoning bets on citizens even gave them a take a return on the assets that they would recover so from every single stamp want to think that their contract this objectionable and i hope that at some moment in the vents on the National Assembly is able to carry out a full investigation asked was demanded by one of the opposition parties be that it was the shia a full investigation to understand who exactly the way the administration was in balkan here are and what was the level of commitment made to these mercenaries but i definitely are completely condemn that action by allowed to journey on why do completely denies he has anything to do with the coup attempts at it has no relationship nor responsibility for illegal actions the you suggested that of course one way though is recognized by Boris Johnson as the leader of Venice Whaler do you recognize him as the leader of venezuela or like the European Union doesnt and washington does well i mean im not a government so you know governments do have to go through this the system while of who of who to recognize on i believe were in a constitutional crisis and its not clear at this moment how d do we now wish the function of the constitution i believe that the constitution is not working i do not recognize Nicolas Maduro i believe it was a legitimately elected as you mention i had bison report on it this Electoral Campaign we accuse campaign of stealing votes to win that election we took that case before the. Supreme court and we do not recognize matter of selection but there are problems also of not so much with the entropy taishan the one going to assume that that moment which he has some parts of the presidency but with the fact that the article of the constitution that he invoked is an article thats valid for only 30 days so i believe that any authorization that he might have to become a president has actually by now or at least theres a very reasonable interpretation that claims that authorization has expired and this is problematic so i think that were were in the midst of to huge institutional and governance crisis in verizons need a solution were trapped between 2 parts these parts are tearing the country apart are the countries and are going to do it worst humanitarian crisis in latin American Economic history its facing the pen demick in the weakest state of alle possible any longer than 30 days of elapsed and bars johnson recognizes and the British Government recognizes one grade 0 as the leader i should say or harriets of the foreign minister said on coronavirus figures venezuela has done better than most countries in the western hemisphere well thats true but i think when youre speaking to me from. More than 100000 dead in the usa not a no no no i mean i agree that thats all it has done a lot better in terms of incident and so much of that is due to policies or not well the kinds i do think that largely policies of the man who are ministration to control the current of iris are at the start had been the appropriate ones but there is a problem that this country has and it certainly goes beyond the capacities of a bit of destruction this country has no money because all of its assets have been frozen because it sanction a cant export also because all prices have collapsed and also because it was mismanaged to 20 years thats why i tried to go to the i. M. F. And the i. M. F. Told them we cant lend you any money we cant lend money. We dont we cant let money to quite do it because we dont recognize either of the 2 so what happens to be small and so the next ones are going to top it because there is this political crisis and these 2 sides cant agree and nobody in the world can agree as to which of them is the legitimate government then their source are left to die and they dont have the resources to handle coronavirus that is the real problem that is the real tragedy going to 70 invest all that and the International Community has to wake up to that its something that a source entitle to us and i am a member but i could talk about i. D. P. I could talk lets even if we dont talk about those what were talking about the bank of thing but theres 1000000000. 00 trapped here which then i saw it when i saw it cant use the need to get staffed by the bank of england i mean i think that the bank of st learned should determine which is the vents on government that it recognizes and let that government. Have access to the resources if it recognizes why dont give them to work if it recognizes given to it tomorrow but i am not going to qualify it in any way particularly not using that language but i definitely think its not right for the bank thinking to say we have 1000000000. 00 and were not giving them to anyone even though tens of thousands persons are likely to die this year because theyre so far doesnt have money to pay for food medicines and basic and but steady needs to deal with this pandemic i think its unconscionable well under belize bank of england mandated by the British Government says they cant give us a comment because its a private customer matter but you have said that the manure of the presidency is illegitimate thats not what its allies as opposed to the i. M. F. Arguably say just finally and briefly theres been a coup attempt in may or the sanctions youve just been talking about which threaten famine you say people are talking about an iraq style oil for food program because of the lack of equipment do you not think we should understand venezuela in the context of u. S. Involve. Meant in historic coups in chile guatemala cuba nicaragua will solve it all brazil ecuador but livia panama you dont think any of that is relevant to what is happening against the majority government in caracas oh of course i mean the us behind so long to sort of intervention in the region now all of the cases that you cited i mean there are many Different Reasons for for all of them there are many different administrations that in the trumpet mr asians are different for example from the Obama Administration on this issue so the reality is that that what yes i mean this does have similarities i do think its correct that the u. S. Government and particularly the trumpet ministration house try to number one overthrow the mother or jean and thats i think basically something that even they would admit but not for journalists that in fact but but but number 2 it has. The any attempts by dennis whelans to create a peaceful solution so when there were talks called by norway being held in barbados in august of last year and there was progress in a potential agreement between mother and bio the u. S. Imposed sanctions and it was all actions with the vessel and government and that effect we took care of the talks back in 2018 the election in which henry 5 corn bran as the only opposition candidate we did that because we thought it was simply absurd to boycott an election against a president that 80 percent of been as well as to support us in the middle of hyper and inflation what did the us do the u. S. At the long beard and even threatened venice on opposition leaders so that they would boycott the election under the promise that if they were able to legitimize my daughters free election then my daughter would be driven from power to strategy its not just on democratic its not. Unconscionable it is true but this is what astounded me how were going to so instead come out and vote at that 80 percent of insolence that came out and voted to possibly you know elections mean with we would have defeated minuto we would have forced my daughter out of power and the military would have had no option but to support 80 percent of venice well and other reality is that the us led defense on opposition to close to it let us on. Into a strategy that was completely unproductive ineffective it reaffirmed our and now this wellness are left to pay for the mistakes oh secretary of President Trump francisco dream yes thank you of course the minority government and its supporters say that the election was monitored by independent advisors who said what is the president of venezuela that the future will be back on saturday but they have a late great counterpunch found out i was on the conan 54 years to the day civil rights activist James Meredith was shot by whites night but in mississippi one day after he began the march against pierre against u. S. Racism until then wash your hands join me on the ground the following us on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram in fact. Will. Rage and destruction fear and despair as the United States found itself in such a state of turmoil growing income inequality systemic racism or policing politics take your pick what is the difference between a protest and riot is it accurate to say the us to speak out. Going to several sources fleecing the United States kills from 2 to 4 people every day im. Thanks i had his hand. Sanitizer grin to see one of my being arrested for a response from me and. Its just their little world to establish they developed just us against. A long history of 2525 years has. Never had to shoot someone holding you know. There is a corruption inside of this police while the culture is. Well coming up views from around the world live from Central London this is r. T. U. K. Protesters descend on londons hyde park in support of demonstrations in the United States against Police Brutality money highlighting similar problems in the u. K. Ill be talking to filmmaker and activist george im talking citing. A group of nurses also protests outside the headquarters of Public Health england in london angry at the governments response to the coronavirus. The leader of the opposition highlights fading public trust in the government as a poll shows people are less likely to follow the long time after the Prime Ministers top adviser drove to a 2nd home thats as the home secretary defends the 2 week horenstein for international travelers. And the British Governments plan to bring every Primary School pupil in england back to the classroom for at least a month before the summer break is branded as on the workable. Thousands of people have gathered in londons hyde park and Parliament Square to support american protests over the death of black man george floyd at the hands of a white policeman it follows a similar demonstration in london on sunday but also calls into question how nor enforcement in the u. K. Treats minorities to u. K. Shadi everest actually joins me now from my talk another shot here so whats been going on. Well im here in the heart of london in hyde park where just a few hours ago fountains of from thousands of protesters were all here in solidarity with george floyd of course and on the armed black man who died in Police Custody over in the United States when a Police Officer down on his causing his death now here in hyde park it was an absolute t. V. With protesters and they have now since moved to the heart of the Political Capital which is in Parliament Square but only way just behind me this main road was brought down to an absolute standstill for well over 20 minutes completely shutting down traffic london is a ready saying that Police Brutality is not just an issue over across in the United States but also affects people within the community here in the u. K. As well it also comes as statistics are showing that the metropolitan police are 4 times more likely to use Excessive Force against a black person than they are a white person and today we also have some other statistics coming from the National Police Chiefs Council saying that the b. M. A. Community have disproportionately been fined when it comes to flouting any measures to breaking down these figures then for you the bear me make up 50 percent of the u. K. Population they receive 22 percent of fines breaking that down even further thats 26 out of 100000 in comparison to just 17 out of 100000 people overall then the b. M. A. Community are 54 percent more likely to be fine than the rest of the population now the police chief counsel said that this day to resolve the complex and much more further interpretation is needed. There on its complexities interpret the data on it including the number of 6 penalty notice is given when its nice to see has not been recorded therefore we. So we can publish the most accurate picture without this analysis we are not confident that meaningful conclusions can be drawn proportionality. Now the National Police chief counsel has said that the incident over in the United States the death of george floyd they were appalled and horrified and said accountability and justice must follow now earlier today they were. Plenty of charles all the way from Boris Johnson is a racist too i cant predict of course the iconic slogan that came up as a result of george bush he of course said that just before he was a 68 and was on able to breed himself but that slogan that particular smoke has actually been a conversation for another instant over here in the United Kingdom whereby a young girl a black woman over in lewisham was pinned down Police Officers and she was telling them that she could not breathe so londoners really today have many many messages not just in solidarity with george broad but also to highlight what they call age old Police Brutality a piece of violence against the b m e community the Police Brutality even resulting in some extent the deaths of young black people of course in the u. K. We all run the middle of a lockdown situation whereby the governments official line is still essential travel only but many protests are saying that this is absolutely crucial and it is absolutely essential travel for them because as you are too great to simply say i. Have here thank you very much. Vernon told me george ford steps has resonated in the u. K. Because of a shared cultural history with the u. S. Often there is no reason why people protest in the u. K. There has always been a long history of connections with america you know for so when the has been a prize ins in america this boy has been some learn demonstrations always often very peaceful ones so at times will happen and the sixtys joined in the civil rights movements or something in the seventys and eightys and then move more recently specially a few years ago with laws matter how often you need Something Like Something Like for america to remind us of the conditions of society in britain to clip out the black experience of not ethnic experience and it was quite clear with covered 19 with the dispassionate lack of engagement by the government with a mythic amount of communities it shows a lack of this regard to our lived especially the high numbers of people have died to cope with 19 does that actually patrick i mean are you concerned that this process weve seen the numbers or thousands of people there seems well spread coronavirus and therefore is risking peoples lives sometimes the very minorities who are disproportionately affected and other innocent people who might come into contact with obviously the issue and mostly i mean its best for anyone who wants to protest. And this could be more demonstrations taking place in the u. K. To do practice social distancing often thats still very important we should not forget that but at the same time people do have the right to. Vent their anger and frustration from a peaceful process regarding the conditions that we are experiencing. Well for more reaction to this on im joined by activist and filmmaker george whose 2015 documentary hard stop explores the aftermath of the death of munt dog a black man who was shot by the metropolitan Police George thank you very much for joining us looking at the footage from hyde park and also outside Parliament Square as well i mean it looks like this issue isnt going away despite the pandemic. No absolutely not you know and. You know in some ways you might think were in the middle of a pandemic and you want. And you know get together in large demonstrations of the saw when you could actually be whisking in contract law spreading you know they called knocking virus but when d we talk about members of b. M. Any community the pandemic has actually unfortunately just highlighted even more disparities in terms of. You know what black people face and an ethnic minorities face in terms of you know structural inequalities in society and you know this tragic incident thats happened in the United States again brings to the worlds attention that sort of injustice and inequality is its impossible to imagine that sort treatment being meted out to a white person its as simple as that oh look at that the situation which was for chile but and the meantime theres been criticism as you highlighted that protesting at a time like this is unwise because it not only effects people who go to the rally who go to the protest but also anybody that they come into contact with so therefore do you think that criticism is valid well that thats what thats what our callers i mean you know unfortunately these things are not. You know separate. It seems you know the pandemic has highlighted inequalities in our societies that am a mans of the cruelty face as has this tragic incident which resulted in the back as a whole so muddled through destroy the United States which is at later so many people taking to the streets to protest and demonstrate why is it possible to show solidarity with the u. S. In another way for instance like raising money or clapping rather than going on to the streets absolutely the short answer to that question is yes it is possible. So why is that why is that is that something thats most likely to be followed up what do you think is going to actually come out of these protests well one thing that has already come out these protests is it has got a tension of the world and the will media. Which is why im doing the things we do today. So that backpack that is in case its highlighted this. Situation which. Black people have faced for centuries now well that your film in the city a hard stop the film that you made yourself that looks at montauk inskip killing and the riots that followed in 2011 do you think a lot has changed almost a decade on and if it hasnt what do you think should change. If we think why this problem globally then clearly i think this recent incident with george freud. Other examples with the young lady in shocked america a. Young man he was choking and well and well and who was shot and murdered. You know you also just mentioned in the news report a young lady out here in london who was a victim of Excessive Force by the police and you know shes she again said she she couldnt prove. I would say no things have not changed you know the only thing that i think ive a day feel has changed in terms of the george floyd incident is that the reaction is the because what normally happens is this tends to be a knee jerk closing of ranks in terms of certainly the police force and the United States of america im also talking about in each case where theres an immediate story kneejerk response which basically amounts to well you know in terms of policing weve got a tough job to do and we dont know the full picture and he may have had some you know traces of alcohol in the system and 10 years ago he was involved in you know. A minor incident you know a traffic stop or whatever it was you know in this immediate of nature and sort of criminalize the victim and somehow ameliorate the responsibility of the police. In this case with they were showing they just seems to be no mitigating circumstances or situation so arguments which in any way to track for more actually happened which was cold blooded murder them say well it could have like theyre running out of time or well have to leave it then thank your damn plants or thank you very much indeed for joining us also i just have to clarify that as george did describe the death of george float as murder we should clarify that the trial has not yet started so i cannot describe his death as a matter at this stage. Now a group of n. H. S. Nurses also gathered in the capital to protest against the u. K. Governments handling of the Coronavirus Response the Health Care Workers gathered outside the headquarters of Public Health england they drew attention to a number of issues including the lack of personal protective equipment low wages and Racial Discrimination the nurses also expressed disappointment in the governments recent easing of the long time one told us that Health Care Workers need better support from new yorks orators. Im pressure testing here because i won every nurse to feel safe to have the appropriate equipment for them to be able to do their job in the best way possible was protecting patients and themselves the government has reacted very slowly in terms of the need. Require it for you know for certain not just even in the main hospital but Nursing Homes i mean the community i think they could do much more specifically full careful. I think they always have been grossly neglected and the government needs to look into that whats going on there whats in the fire i think i think given to these people i feel that relaxing the measures right now isnt safe it puts many people at risk and i feel that all their intentions rather than Public Safety is being. Nurses and the Health Care Workers are grossly underpaid we have no. Real wage increases for a long time the government needs to do much more for protecting brain but thats. Maybe our boards that are overcrowded and i think the public needs to know that its a lot of brain work because we were put into the care boards where they have ratios of 10 patients to one and so we are overworked the patients and looked good for sufficiently as they should. Being. The leader of the u. K. Opposition kissed on has highlighted a drop in public trust in the government it comes as a poll shows people are less likely to follow long time measures after the Prime Ministers top adviser drove to a 2nd home while quarantine measures on new arrivals were announced by the home secretary r. T. U. Case is around a choice behalf with more on this hi there isa so as weve been hearing public trust in the governments taking a bit of a hit hasnt absolutely weve been seeing of course today we kissed ahmed the leader of the labor party going head to head with the Prime Minister Boris Johnson really for the 1st time in Prime Ministers questions since the news broke that mr cummings the main special advisor for the Prime Minister had taken a trip to darren from london a 260 mile trip while measures were being enforced and so because of that youve seen the number of outraged backlash as you say from the media but also from members of the public who say their trust in the government has fallen since not just that news emerged but the Prime Minister chose not to act on it or to punish mr cummings in any way and mr ahmed today in Parliament Said that the Prime Minister was facing a crisis of public opinion. Easing restrictions involves very difficult judgment calls so this is the week of all weeks where public trust and confidence in the government needed to be at its highest. But as the director of the Reuters Institute was commissioned to you gov poll this weekend said i have never in 10 years of research seen a drop in trust like weve seen from the u. K. Government how worried is the Prime Minister i think hes wrong on better ground in firmer ground when we stand with the overwhelming majority of the british people who who understand the very very difficult circumstances that we are in to want clarity across the political spectrum but to believe that we can move forward provided we continue to observe the basic rules now it would appear that mr cummings decision to break those lock down rules and not to be punished for it has had an impact on how the public stick to them you gov poll shows that 21 percent of britons say that they follow the rules less strictly than before i dont those 21 percent 32 percent say that mr cummings breach of the rules is the reason why theyve done so and weve also seen polling by you kind of a you gov undertaken that shows that public trust in the government has fallen significantly since last month. Also he said its come but then about the secretary of those quarantine measures absolutely weve seen the government and the home secretary trying to introduce quarantine rules that would see visitors to the United Kingdom part of arrival at the airport told that they must self isolates for 2 weeks but there ive been questions raised. By a specialist the tory backbenchers saying that this could be damaging to the travel industry but others particularly those on the labor front benches questioning why these types of measures werent implemented before. From 1st of january 23rd of march when the lockdown was imposed only 273 people were formally quarantined from full flight 3 for move one from tokyo when over 18000000 people entered the country by air now the home secretary just said in her statement this was because domestic transmission was widespread but this is what the government chief scientific advisor said and i quote a lot of the cases in the u. K. Didnt come from china and didnt come from the places you might have expected they actually came from european imports and the high level of travel into the u. K. Around that time throughout the outbreak we have brought in the right measures at the right time based on scientific advice that is dated back to january as far back as january throughout the paper and going into march as well and during that contain phase the government hands out the borders in particular and enhanced monotreme policy and approach to identify symptomatic travelers from high risk areas. Now perhaps not everyone in the government agrees with the home secretary the quarantine rules are the best way forward or that even the government has taken the best measures thus far of course we do have the 2nd highest death toll in the world there are some within the government who prefer air bridge is which are Bilateral Agreements with other countries that would see those visits from those companies exempt from those quarantine rules in which they say would also health help the travel industry to recover at the time but its really taking a beating he said thank you very much indeed. Were following the dominic coming as incident campaigners of called on the u. K. Government to launch an agent review into all lockdown related fines issued by police during police have said the political advisors actions constituted a minor breach in human rights lawyers have expressed anger that many people were issued fixed penalty wrenches for 7 or offenses in england and wales around 15000 fines have been issued by police since the lockdown came into force. And ill be discussing this with human rights barrister coastie brigalow that would be just over now. Now lets look at the coronavirus figures from across the u. K. s 100. That have been over 39700 deaths across the u. K. On wednesday n. H. S. England reported 279 hospital thats the scottish 1st minister has announced 11th. Settings all while reporting 17 in Northern Ireland 8. And i dont see how the pound i make sounds globally according to Johns Hopkins university which collates worldwide data over 6400000 people have not be infected over 380000 deaths 2700000 recoveries. So the doctors out of the u. K. Government plan to reopen old Primary Schools in england for a month before the Summer Holiday has prompted house on the workable. We go to work so you can stay home. And almost seemed wrong why dont we all just dont call. Me. Yet to see how this thing comes out of. And indeed it was betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when she says to look for common ground. Welcome back the u. K. Government plans to bring every Primary School pupil in england back to the classroom for at least a month before the start of the summer break but experts warn this will be impossible to achieve from monday Primary Schools across england to open their doors to children in reception and years one and 6 previously the government said all primary aged children will return to school before the summer break for a month if feasible the teaching experts say it will be logistically impossible as more space comes teachers will be needed the education secretary Gavin Williamson has reassured parents and said the welfare of children and stuff are considered i recognise there may continue to be some nervousness among families but i want to reassure parents and those working in schools and nurseries that the welfare of children staff continues to be at the heart of all our considerations. When Teachers Union leader jeff johnson tell me the plan to bring all primary peoples back before the summer break was never going to be possible its worth remembering that actually since schools were closed down they also remained open fit for 2 groups they remained open for children of. Key workers and also for those priority peoples homes too since you got social workers who need to be in school the schools have done a pretty good job looking after those children then from yesterday weve seen the cautious reopening for some groups for the youngest children reception year one india 6 now that promise which was made by the Prime Minister for every child in primary to have a full month before the Summer Holiday in reality that was never going to be possible in the way that he articulated it because the rule was the government of given all the children should be in class sizes no bigger than 15 and thats so that you dont get most of transmission now if you going to keep children in small classes the only way you would be have to have all of those children in at the same time is if you doubled the number of teachers and you double the number of classrooms and clearly you know given the time weve got and the lack of money that was never going to be possible and i think this is an example of the government probably over promising to parents and now its stepping back and being a little bit more realistic about it i think is it not possible to actually read take us into the children so say for instance half the class will go to school for say monday and tuesday the other sort of wednesday thursday or something some other kind of rate assistance was a its a really good point in the scientific experts who were advising the government strongly recommended roche has provided those roaches were on the basis that your saying that is a day in or 2 days in and some days out or a whole week in the whole week out the trouble was that some of the governments own guidance ruled out the idea of rotas and again less oxygen do was to create an expectation that we could have business as usual we would be able to have business as usual even from september it seems to me now its what the governments saying is we want to have every problem reach out to. I have some experience back in the school for some time might be a month but its going to be hard to see how you do it months if you use roaches you can give every child some experience in school which means they can be reacquainted with a teacher who can assess what they are and plan what they need next that seems to be sensible and thats what the Welsh Government today has announced that its approach is going to be in the run up to the whole of the. Well be back with more news at the top of the hour including the u. K. Governments dany Coronavirus Press conference seen again. Montes khaled International Memorial awards are now open for entries all media professionals are eligible whether you are a freelance journalist work for alternative media or part of a global News Platform to participate send us your published works in video all written for much go to award dot altie dot com and enter now. The world is. Shaped by fun person. Who dares thinks. We dare to ask. I know team no crowd. No shots. Actually just felt. In the last draft no 1st. Points your thirst for action. Hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on people about rage and disruption fear and despair how has the United States found itself in such a state of turmoil growing income inequality and systemic racism or poison in politics take your pick what is the difference between a protest and a riot and is it accurate to say the u. S. Is becoming a failed state. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest r. C. Maxwell and being next is the arizona director of the black conservative better ration as well as a Brand Ambassador turning point usa and in mclean virginia we have the brown that he is the founder and National Coordinator of the movement for a peoples army are actually across hospitals in effect that means you can jump. Ship ok nick let me go to you 1st oh you were you told one of my producers in preparing for this program that you believe that the United States is is a failed state and the recent events of the last week or so are is is evidence of that explain yourself please go ahead. The reason is that in the response to this crisis pandemic we have had a government that got him. Within a week and marched past the cares act and what was that it was a multitrillion dollar bail out. Wall street and big corporations not in fact dressed the actual problems that were or before the crisis you had 80 percent of americans they were living paycheck to paycheck less that ive heard dollars in savings for more than apple americans and now youre telling them that theyre supposed to take a leave or american without any any income so that they cannot afford rent and they can still be a big hit in the middle of it and that while not providing them universal basic income or universal