I mean 67 years you know theyve been locked up in a cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the cold air the rain the snow the thunder nothing they have no protection yet as soon as we take the dog its just wants the case. Means use you know wants the affection. To get you. Know its ok. To. Keep. Mom and dad will probably live their entire lives on that facility in a pin whether its smaller or larger sized but theyre not themselves hence they are breeding stock they they typically dont come in the house and snuggle on the couch. They have no idea what life is is about because they spent 247 in a cage when you came into one of these puppy mills. And you would just see one on top of another in these Little Chicken wire crates. You know how cramped it is when youre when youre flying and i was thinking about and i thought it must be like that for the puppy mill dogs that are in these cages being able to get up and move around and i think theres a 740 sevens comedy 400 people and i thought its just like taking 400 golden traverse or labs or shepherds and putting them in a scene strapping them in and making them live there for 8 years you will typically smell of facility before you actually walk near the cages and as soon as you can see the cages. I know its going to be a bad situation when you have the above ground wire bottom cage because that sort of tells us that the person is trying to be very efficient. This is a Business People are not for profit for an initial outlay of a couple 100. 00 for a few breeding pairs you can be selling puppies for a 1000. 00 or more apiece if you breed every heat cycle which is not what youre supposed to do but which many millers do you could be making tens of thousands of dollars within a couple of years they were housed in chicken coops for one dog group so theres probably more dogs and chicken coops no days of neurologic. They make money on dogs being born. They rarely see of that. Thats are expensive and expensive and that would cut into their profits as far as selling the dogs. Its not good its really not a good place for going to. Find out wrong. It was a night that i was on the internet and some mouse and they came over me and said i want a puppy so i googled puppies buying barbies online. Delivery person called me to set up a day in time what time the dog would be arriving and he said you know i would like cash upon arrival not a check and that was fine so he would 1st wanted me to meet him at a rest stop off the new jersey turnpike. I just cut him off right there like that was not im not end up on dateline and theres not happening. You know i know some things are right and that was one of them. Im not a nervous person im not scared of many things but i was nervous because my children were inside and this guy was delivering a puppy 11 oclock at night in a van that reeked of cigarette smoke i said this is a street my house and i want to have a real address so he said thats fine alkali you on the street mr i run it oclock east call and said he was running late and he showed up at 11 so it was very fast he called he was out front i ran outside and history and he got opened his it was a van he opened his van and there was all crates of dogs puppies in the back and he picked out rufus and he said heres your dog. 2 pieces of paper came with the dog and that they look like i could have printed off the computer but thats i didnt know any better so i just assumed it was fine. About the dog and it was late so i just put him to play with him for a little bit but he was super tired and he just looked like he wanted to go to sleep so put his bed in his crate and cry was weird because when i had puppies before they cried in a crate the 1st time he did make a sound that was like the best dog every doesnt make noises perfect baby and oh look up to a dog that was basically having seizures going to the bathroom and throwing up. But there is going to die. In it that i you know is its only 24 hours but you bond as a person you just feel super bad for its a baby in you just want to help it. He starts making this horrific sound like hes yelping in pain out of nowhere like just laying down just making this terrible sound off and on and i said this isnt normal and then he threw up and had diarrhea and i said im going to take him to our family that im thinking that i cant believe that somebody was and this dog here that sec and this is all the money that were going to spend and this is crazy because i had no idea what to expect as they said they could stay there for days to get better and i was just i was worried about the money i was wary about the dog of the same time after spending 2 days at northstar parents being treated for hypoglycemia rufus was able to return home at the initial examination the veterinarian the care for rufus certified he was unfit for purchase rufuss crosscountry journey began in millers burg ohio on a farm owned by most troyer this is how i am after i buy the dog after he is delivered then i start googling most rare then is when i start and then i was like what was wrong with you why wouldnt i really thats how naive i was i thought it was going to be perfect and then then i start googling and i hindsight was like i need to find out where these parents are like i was disgusted less than 2 weeks before nicole purchased rufus on line tours the u. S. D. A. License was cancelled currently no u. S. D. A. Or state commercial license is issued for this address ive got like giving up a couple times a i said no ones call me back this is so frustrating but then i kept thinking it wasnt about the money it was the fact that this was a life that no one cared about. They are just like oh take the puppy that was 6 weeks old 5 weeks old away from its mom and just shove it in a van with creeps stirrer and then called a day like no one cared. Of state highway 53. 00 in the middle of ohio this is a puppy mill not unlike the one that rufus was likely born and its where his parents will remain until theyre unable to produce the puppies and profits expected by the owner theres no Natural Light no human contact except for the red pickup that stops by one today to scatter food in fill water bowls unregulated and under the radar. Was. Often we find that on the east coast that many of the puppies are coming from what we call ground 0 for large scale volume bring puppy mill bring and thats Holmes County and it is really the heartbeat of where a lot of the puppy mills and a lot of the issues have started in the state of ohio when you consider that they have 43000 population and you have over 500 canales thats a lot of kennels for the number of people in that general area. And Holmes County alone in 200720088 was a 9000000. 00 business. Now when you consider that the average Family Income for a family of 4 is probably less than 30000. 00 in Holmes County thats a considerable amount of production that is coming out of that particular area in amish country. Rufuss journey to new jersey is similar to the one thousands of puppies travel from Holmes County ohio in the years since rufus arrived at nicoles house and the driver has made multiple journeys to the east coast delivering puppies sold on the internet from puppy mills throughout Holmes County. Theres times where we hear where the puppy was actually transported by someone just like john public and they load him into a vehicle and so when the puppies arrive its not unusual to have a vehicle full of puppies and some of those puppies are very sick and some wont make the trip whatsoever they use a syringe ban puppy mills places they always meant like the mall the puppy store in the mall or the puppy stored inside of st i just never thought that it was like on the internet i really thought when i bought rufus that he was in pennsylvania running through a field happy night didnt think it was a puppy mill dog at all. Pennsylvania farmers began breeding dogs probably about 30 or so years ago there were actually breeders in missouri who came up to pennsylvania specifically because of its large amish and mennonite farming communities here we had one of the worst states for puppy mills i we were called the puppy mill capital of the east and that was primarily because pennsylvanias number one industry is agriculture. In the mennonites are more likely to view these animals as cash crops as Agricultural Products weve heard that over and over again and i believe that to be true. Not all amish families or not all minimally families breed dogs but the large majority the overwhelming majority of the people that we deal with the breeders are women and it was something that farm families could do between when you harvest in the fall and when you plan the spring. As commercial kennels cropped up across pennsylvania in the late 1960 s. The welfare of the dogs trapped in puppy mills was not viewed as a priority of the Pennsylvania Department of agriculture inspections were few and far between the regulations were ill defined and the program was clearly underfunded so the regulators were completely tied by the laws and just to the vagueness of all of them so what we really needed was in forcible measurable standards you would see inspection reports time and time again where a warden is morning operator to do something. And this didnt go on for like one or 2 inspections in a years time talking about years and years of warnings for many of the same offenses there was so much opposition from within the industry itself that the regulations were just going nowhere. And it became very apparent that we had to do a legislative fix. We go to work so you straight home. Is youll be via reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. High salacious community. Are you going the right way or are you being led so. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or a maid in the shallows. Throughout the years efforts to improve the lives of dogs in pennsylvania puppy mills would ultimately die in the legislature at the hands of powerful lawmakers who was not until a simple billboard was put up in Lancaster County that the general public began to learn of the problem our 1st. We made it look like a postcard and we had a family in a car and they were all waving across the top and yellow script just like a postcard and said welcome to scenic Lancaster County home to hundreds of puppy mills and we received over 3000 phone calls and emails in 2 days and the majority of those phone calls came from people who lived in Lancaster County who were thanked us for finally doing something about what their neighbors were doing i think the issue gained a lot of traction through the media you know more reporting on the issue it became sort of something that was that was out front it was no longer confined to you know what happened behind the park doors after witnessing the overwhelming response to their billboards in pennsylvania mainline Animal Rescue placed a new billboard this time Oprah Winfrey studio in chicago when we were on oprah and the aftermath we watched up here in the kennel i realized that it really didnt matter what the legislators wanted or what they didnt want because people started contacting us and people were horrified horrified by what was happening in Lancaster County it was happening in pennsylvania what was happening in missouri in oklahoma in nebraska and they couldnt believe that animals were being treated this way and they wanted to do something about it. This was 100 percent public effort it was really because people were hearing about the plight of puppy mills on the news on oprah reading about it in their newspapers going home and looking in the faces of these little pooches that are sharing their you know tables and beds for most of us and saying oh my gosh what if that had been my dog and it became very very personal to a huge number of people who started picking up the phones and calling their legislators through this whole struggle and it was a struggle and it was hard it was very very difficult i never lost sight of the fact that the people have the power to change things and when the legislature realized that they did not want to go home in an election cycle and face the constituency wondering why didnt you do something about this the bill. Got legs and this was a 2 year long is like 2 to 3 year long legislative battle in pennsylvania many of the dogs that the law was was pushed through many of the law the dogs that we wanted to protect are now dead so im hoping that its the dogs the future dogs the dogs that are in these places of the help are gone now and they never got the relief that they deserved or that the law afforded. Union boilermaker out of pittsburgh. Despite every free town life i have is basically in their own work and and i work in a 10 hour shift im working on saving dogs. That go into the mills and thats what i want them to dogs so i know their laws are covered in your and theyre covering and theyve got fleas what id like to do is take them in and hold all my pad on to say theyre a bit touched a they ok so me i mean i dont mind they got no room because i want to separate dead were different you know youre leaving that life and i want their you know the rehab to start as soon as we take the dogs. And its sad because you cant save all said it hurts i mean theres plenty of nights you stay up at night and you can sleep with a lot of rescues or you know deal with the puppy mill dogs know that i mean loosely you know its costly running through your mind about the dog you left behind like the one you know i went to the guys bringing the dogs that are so many dogs inside the puppy mill that when the dog started barking when he went in to get the dogs the side of the barn was actually shaking. Theres no force was good they suppose he this year and last year in kind of both kinds of vein ohio made a lot better but there they they passed the walls but no ones in force and. A lot of people think when you say were actually dogs from puppy mills i think we went in to the born down take the dogs but thats thats all we did because the because mills are legal now i think a lot of people dont understand that you know these puppy mills are legal theyre allowed to explain to him how you know we wait for the amish to contact you know then we set up a day when we can go get the dogs and then we know will load up their cars you know and then well drive you know made on their property get the. Dogs. I mean. I dont know about. They said that all they want is love to get away. But here you are not in on it and. You know my name is eugene deep as well and im the pennsylvania Auditor General. We make sure all money is spent legally ineffectively but we also audit state programs so its not just a question whether the financial side of it is the you know the the account ledgers are matching up but also what is the effectiveness of the program so we get to go in and say ok the money might have been spent legally but was it spent effectively it was a program run effectively while inspections and prosecutions dramatically increased after the pennsylvania dog law came into force within a few years noticeable concerns began to emerge i started to receive reports confidentially from within department reaching out to me dog wardens administrators people who had worked for the department and had left veterinarians who were concerned that the new head of the office of dogs had no idea what she. Doing so reviewing inspection reports and in 2011. Indicates that there were virtually no citations issued just like any other law its only as good as the enforcement of it and early on and in the law there were some concerns that it wasnt being enforced properly so and the audit of the dog or program began. In a scathing report Auditor General di pascali found the dog law program from its introduction in 2008 through 2012 showed an intentional lack of enforcement of the states dog law and the commercial kennel canine health regulations. Enforcing the law in the kennel meaning the partner agriculture said this during the audit that they were enforcing it because they knew the kennels werent complying is say that again they were enforcing it because they knew the kennels were in compliance but the goal of the law is to get people not to do it the goal of the dog was not to find camps it was to get kennels do improve the conditions in their facilities for for the animals thats the goal of the program and we were getting the troops ready to really make a huge deal out of the lack of enforcement of this barry popular law and all of a sudden there was a 180 in the department and they hired a director of enforcement who was one of the best dog wardens that weve ever seen but here is the the big big issue and its not just this its anything we do the People Matter who are running the programs right now i think the Administration Made significant strides into who is running the program but the people that are actually running the program sometimes you know that their faces bureaucrats to the general public and i understand that but the actual individual whos in charge matters and its important governors are they be democratic or republican they may not just put people in because of. One of the considerations but also the qualifications of the individual but i do think that that is the case now that you are a top notch professional there and that i think is a big reason why youre starting to see a turnaround in the world. While progress has been made the challenges of regulating and inspecting licensed to marshal breeders and finding unlicensed breeders in pennsylvania continues in the heart of Lancaster County millwood kennel aka millwood puppies provides a prime example of the bureaucratic shell game played by some large scale breeders. David and iommi stalls fus have been breeding dogs on their property in Lancaster County since the early 1990 s. Having obtained both a pennsylvania license and a u. S. D. A. Commercial breeders license from 2003 onward pennsylvania inspection reports clearly indicate dogs were suffering in a facility that was not meeting even minimal welfare standards after a further string of harangued us inspection reports in 2008 david still sfusd voluntarily relinquish both his pennsylvania and u. S. D. A. License but the dogs remained at the same puppy mill though the name was changed to millwood puppies and ownership passed to davids son matthew stills foose matthew quickly obtained a u. S. D. A. Commercial breeders license at the same address. Immediately the violations continued under the new license when millwood puppies was inspected in october 2009 the violations were so severe that the commonwealth of pennsylvania brought multiple charges against matthew for violations under the dog law. Before pennsylvania district judge isaac stalls foose all charges against matthew were summarily withdrawn and all cases closed in 2010 at no time with the dogs removed from the facility by either state or federal authority. Around this time matthew found a new very lucrative avenue to sell his puppies the internet since 2010 its estimated that matthew has sold over 3000. 00 puppies online ranging from 3022800 dollars each in 2013 alone millwood puppy sold 472 dogs more than a dog a day during this period matthew maintained a pennsylvania kennel license but in january 2014 he applied for a new u. S. D. A. Commercial breeders license for millwood puppies l l c this was the 3rd u. S. D. A. Commercial breeders license and the 2nd pennsylvania license issued for this one address in the past 8 years i think one of the most remarkable things that we actually were able to illustrate on the oprah show that one of the dogs that we picked up from know what chemicals. It was either know what kind of timer millward was a yellow out a male yellow lab and ill never forget hes a really beautiful dog but he had never been off water floral tribute of all beautiful yellow and the amish breed or if you stop astride the dog government we put back the dog up and put the dog in a bit and we put the dog but then he had never been to south florida and he started walking up a wall he tried to walk up the wall of our lobby because he had never been on solid before and its just amazing to me that they would expect an animal to live his or her entire life on painful wire flooring and they wouldnt do it themselves. Matthews large scale puppy breeding business was not his only interaction with the u. S. D. A. During the same time period he was receiving farm subsidies from the u. S. D. A. The total 56624. 00 in commodity subsidies associated with his dairy farm Lancaster County pennsylvania has a total population of a little over 536000 residents from 1995. 2012 farmers in the county have received 128000000. 00 in taxpayer funded farm subsidies from the u. S. D. A. An extensive investigation for this film found numerous examples of u. S. D. A. License commercial breeders receiving multiple violations from the Animal Health the vision on one hand and large taxpayer funded farm subsidies on the other while the programs are viewed as distinct and separate by the u. S. D. A. The fact remains that license commercial breeders with multiple dog welfare violations continue to receive taxpayer funded farm subsidies in Lancaster County and many other rural areas throughout the United States these commercial breeders are exploiting a federal agency by receiving a taxpayer funded handout while simultaneously receiving major violations for failing the dogs in their care. Survival. Station heres a good start simply to. Be sure there are you going to get a. Good risk patients look at the way the 70 are. Military or the taser or. Join me every thursday on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. The world is driven by dream shaped by frank person of those but. You know jerry thinks. We dare to ask. Welcoming our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is our 2 u. K. Going to correlate. Its all sort of right here where they stand for. The little guys are really ready to play. Ready to respond the american citizens all being themselves saying its to protect communities after a week of am to Police Brutality riots as the u. K. Government has warned against continuing the sale of rubber bullets and tear gas to the u. S. Army fears over a white house cracking down on protesters. Public Health England publishes a review into code related ethnic minority deaths examining the heightened risk for some demographics. Secretarys quarantine plans for International Travelers are set to be brought before parliament this week amid concerns restrictions could be reduced within weeks that says public trust in the government pulls with downing street announcing it will scrap weekend Coronavirus Press conferences. Police leaders warn much enforcing the governments new lockdown measures is almost impossible with the public now doing as they please ill be talking to a former officer. And experts warn of the Coronavirus Impact on Cancer PatientsResearch Shows over 2000000 people in the u. K. Are waiting for Cancer Screening testing and treatments ill be joined by a Public Health expert. The United States is witnessing its worst race riot since the 1960 s. As a 7th day of violent protests has followed the death of black man george froid. At the hands of a white policeman at least 40 cities have imposed curfews and the National Guard has been activated in at least 23 states as well as in washington d. C. And Missouri Police say 4 officers have been injured by gunfire after violent protests in st louis. The mayor of new york has extended a citywide curfew after more looting erupted in mid term manhattan thousands of extra officers were sent to areas where there was particularly violent damage to property while the governor of new york says the violent protesters obscure the righteousness of the message. Except. I. Dont come a calling station its all thats right here right now its just all yeah because hes an illegal because you guys are already in place. In northwest idaho one of americas most conservative states its not only Police Patrolling the streets on the locals are out to they say its to protect communities and businesses from the rioting and looting sweeping towns and cities coast to coast. Was i. In washington d. C. Protesters as another mostly peaceful rally were forced off the streets with tear gas and stun grenades to clear the way for president trying to have his photo taken outside a church near the white house he later warned that if the unrest continues him doing whatever it takes to stop the chaos. In recent days our nation has been gripped by professional anarchies violent mobs arsonists looters criminals rioters and tea for and others today i have strongly recommended to every government to deploy the National Guard in sufficient numbers that we dominate the streets if a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents and i will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them. Well here in the u. K. Public Health England has published a review into mightnt covert related deaths of ethnic minorities that the government is to suspend the sale of small arms to the u. S. Over fears theyll be used against civil rights protesters were on the everest and he joins me now with more of their sharia so whats in the report well the government has published the much anticipated review into the disparities of covert 19 deaths often issue missing its own deadline at the end of may which was just last week now weve been aware of those throughout the entire lockdown and indeed the pandemic that there have been huge disproportionately affecting the b m e community when it comes to 19 theres been of course a strand of Research Data and reports all coming to the very same conclusions that minority ethnic people are much more likely to be critically ill or even die of that 19 but the contrivance that controversy isnt just in the findings itself nor in the delay but rumor has it that the review was actually shelved jute to the fact that theres this global outrage when it comes to george floyd a wave of black lives matters protesters erupted throughout the world and thats something that was mentioned the house of commons earlier today. Yes indeed blocked lives matter mr speaker but it is surely a call to action that black asian the minority people are more likely to die from covert a more likely to be admitted to intensive care from covert hes seen the findings i note that the policies minister is taking work forward but what action will be taken to minimize risk for black asian and minority ethnic people black lives matter and ours to those of the poorest areas of our country which have worse Health Outcomes and we need to make sure that all of these considerations are taken into account and action is taken to level up the Health Outcomes of people across this country because there is no more important levelling up than the levelling up of your Life Expectancy well just to mention the department for health and social care has denied the fact that the review was shelved due to anything to do with the incidence in the United States but as for the review itself the statistics show a huge difference has been with the coronavirus with black people being the most likely to get it while ethnic white groups are at least the least likely to contract the virus b m e groups are 10 to 50 percent more likely to die of private 19 and over 15 percent of those who are critically ill were from black or asian backgrounds now the report also accounted for the fact that the m. E. Groups are more likely to be workers those in lower paid jobs also people coming from urban and deprived areas and in overcrowded homes as well so much more likely to be exposed to the virus and contra beating to that our number rating now we also understand that liz truss the trade secretary has Just Announced that there will be a further review into why b m e people are most at risk from current virus. Well so shut it what about the drug food protest is absolutely the us protests have really reached a Tipping Point a Pressure Point across the United States theres been a whole wave of protests erupting over the last week following the death of george floyd while solidarity protests have also been or up to world wide as well however the United Kingdom is now under increasing pressure as its been long supplying the United States with such arms like tear gas rubber bullets and even riot shields the could the crucial issue here though is that campaigners are in the United Kingdom to completely suspend all sales of this for fears that theyre being used against protesters in the United States now records are showing that the u. K. Is selling millions of pounds worth of these arms to the u. S. But by its own rules they should not be selling them for internal repression and that is the reason why a campaign is raising a red flag that weve also seen some quite dramatic footage as you can see on your screen protesters really being rammed by cars weve seen them being beaten by police and hit with tear gas all of which is really correct completely crucial to the fact that campaign is a very worried now ironically protesters across the United States were demonstrating against Police Brutality against the b m e community and ironically they were met with Police Brutality not to mention that President Donald Trump has even been giving the police somewhat of a blessing in all of this when it comes to the United Kingdom though they are very reluctant to get on the bad side of President Donald Trump because the u. K. Is still waiting and banking on that crucial oh so important post. So the question really beggars at this point in time for the u. K. Is it trade or human rights if they want to prioritize. Thank you very much. And ill be discussing the findings of the report with Disease Control expert dr barrett and cannier that we in just over an hour. Now the u. K. Home secretarys quarantine plans are set to be brought before parliament on wednesday i mean suggestions the restrictions could be eased in a matter of weeks thats as a study finds the publics confidence in the government to provide Accurate Information about covert 19 has crumbled with some suggesting it could be linked to Dominic Cummings controversial got down trip to durham. Joins me now with the latest. Hi there he says not everyone is happy with a quarantine plans are they no absolutely the government were hoping to bring these plans to the commons today we dont understand that those will be taking place tomorrow because there is somewhat of a rebellion on the governments hands now these plans revolve around people travelling from the rules to the u. K. Wholl be expected to self isolate for 2 weeks if anybody breaches these rules they will be hit with a 1000 pound fine now the the scheme involves people giving their address at the airport spot checks taking place and the regulations are expected to come in from next week and to be viewed every 33 weeks however there are fears amongst the travel industry for example in the Tourism Industry that this will essentially be yet another death knell because it will put people off from travelling to the u. K. And a number of tory m. P. s themselves have also raised their concerns and so for that reason its understood that alternatives such as socalled bridges are being touted where people traveling from other countries that have Bilateral Agreements with the United Kingdom will be allowed to travel to the u. K. And to be exempt from those quarantine rules however perhaps this is somewhat of an internal battle within government the home office say that those types of averages will be difficult to manage and perhaps it wont be able to guarantee safety with regards to people coming into the country but enemies honey so what about public trust in the government that. Well of course what weve been seeing in particular since the issue of Dominic Cummings his trip to darwin the 260 miles trip that he took public trust in the government is surely now according to. Citys Reuters Institute theyve done a poll along with the youve got it says that currently less than half of the public believe that Doris Johnson and his government have been giving people the correct information about the 90 back in april this figure was over 66 percent so thats a massive drop in public trust with regards to the governments response now to some 30 percent of people think the countrys had it in a positive direction that its all of. A 4 or 4 or 5 percent 35 percent the same thing last month quarter people believe the u. K. Is moving in the wrong direction thats up from 15 percent last month so all in all its showing that people have starting to lose faith in how the government is handling the crisis the government said that perhaps theyre not going to be holding any Weekend Press conferences theyll just be helped during the read that could lead to public this trust and now weve also see another you got a study saying that the british governments Approval Ratings are some of the lowest in the world now according to you gov back in april just over 60 percent thought the government were handling the crisis well thats now dropped to 45 percent. In germany however people think the government are handling the crisis a lot better over 70 percent of people approving of how theyre handling their italy of course one of the 1st countries hit really badly by code that 90 the beginning of april the Approval Rating was just above 70 percent its always fallen by small margins just under 70 percent at 68. 00 while in the u. S. State half of people thought the government was doing well but their handling of the crisis and that figure has dropped by about 5 percent of course the United States very divided not just on the question of trust with the government around cope with but of course as we see over these days with response to the protests as well against Police Brutality that theres an interesting figures there is that thank you very much indeed. For britons locked down roles have become an enforceable according to Police Chiefs the head of the metropolitan Police Federation which represents officers in the capital said ambiguous advice has made compliance almost impossible in most circumstances i dont think the public are taking much notice of what is laid down in front of them they are doing it how they want to do it in terms of being in forcible i dont think it is what are the rules this is what i keep saying i dont think they are very clear i think they are ambiguous any interpretation that can be used on them people will do what they want to do. Well it comes as new rules allowing socially just an outdoor gatherings of up to 6 people as well as private garden parties and barbeques came into force on monday however last weekends sunny weather was met by widespread breaches of restrictions leaving police to conclude it was locked down in name only new guidelines for police will be to explain and encourage compliance and only resort to enforcement when dealing with large gatherings or joining me now is former Police OfficerPeter Williams peter thank you for joining us this is the latest warning from police but compliance has been slipping for a number of weeks in effect doesnt it. Well thought i think that house. During it actually got city very good started it and that was not actually the fault of the police solo the thing that pointed out that. The original problem comes from the fact that its rush legislation that was rushed through in a matter of about 3 full days with no stage 2 Standing Committee called stage and hands from that its that equals but the butler display should and also cause when youve got major legislation like this which impacts on peoples lives which this stills probably on a par with maybe the Police Incredible criminal evidence act i would think. I can sort of relate to joker in my time. Its still all in all its been its been very difficult also the college of policing who got the task in the name of the white house. While trolldom aint saying d this to the Police Forces had only a matter of days and thats why they came up with the full which of course your views may be a word of the sort of explaining courage. They got to say the government believes the dominant coming saga isnt a factor in all of this other correct i mean isnt that summed up by then the protest in Trafalgar Square people will go on thinking now i could smite him i can i can effectively now do what i want to and numbers are coming down they are right its coming down. Well i think. The police tanzim full social distancing that is decision for the individual what they can in full force is any legislation that surrounds it that which is which is what we think weve been talking about and if people are going to make those decisions to do that it looks at the weekend from the scenes that we saw all in places like all of the other areas but in my area here on beaches in nice in the south pool d area the police were called to major gatherings of people having barbecues dealing with discarded drinking a low sorts of things and no little luck all luck adds to the workload so the resources which are extremely limited in the relations of the police and what theyve got to deal with so the example and a property they confidence gains of people are having these perhaps. Barbecues in these events on the beach that needs to be dealt with properly and i ask the requirements of the Police Presence act so theres more work there now all that adds up to the fact that the police are finding this extremely difficult on the final 8 which is the enforcement element which is a think what youll previous speeches from the mass of Poland Police was referring to a place outside police theyre less likely to issue fines for break is that the law does that mean thats effectively finished as a deterrent. Well that the whole of the british illegally should wells criminal Justice System is built is built upon. Terence and has been since the late 18th century so in whatever legislation that is passed the law already made the point this is not good legislation the whole principle of it should be based upon the terrorists which is looking forward not back now you can you in the views can draw your own conclusions us who walk the fact that actually house at the moment but it would appear case from the scenes that we witnessed at the weekend that got the terrence out of it in this particular legislation is not particularly strong pay to waive thank you very much for joining us thank you. Coming up after the break. A Charity Warns that millions in the u. K. Are waiting for terms of treatment that enormous destruction caused by the pandemic ill be joined by the Public Health expert. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy to confront a shouldnt let it be an arms race is on off and spearing dramatic to follow the only closely im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. Ah no team no crowd. No shots. Actually just felt. Well and strong no 1st. Point your thirst for action. Welcome back experts warn the coronavirus pandemic has caused enormous disruption to Cancer Services across the u. K. A new analysis by Cancer Research u. K. Reveals over 2000000 people have been waiting for Cancer Screening tests and treatment since lockdown began over 2 months ago almost 300000 fewer people than usual are being referred for further tests at the start of the pandemic urgent referrals dropped to 25 percent in england but later rebounded to around 50 percent of usual levels and the number of operations has fallen to around 60 percent of the usual number of surgeries to remove tumors in response an n. H. S. Spokesperson said Cancer Services and now ready to receive all patients who need care even though more people than ever started n. H. S. Cancer treatment in march coronavirus has turned millions of lives upside down Cancer Services are largely now open ready and able to receive all patients who need care so the critical point is that anyone whos concerned about a possible comes to symptom should contact their g. P. Practice and come forward for a check up. What it is got this and i too am by Public Health consultant professor of s n l thank you for joining us these are as they dont get off today had these are unprecedented times hospitals have been very busy attacking the pandemic happen way thats where resources are gone i think in many areas the actual cancer operations have continued as as usual and its not been the same pattern all over the country so the figure you quote for the people is mainly for people who have missed the Screening Test which in itself is of course important enable the n. H. S. Says Council Services are ready and able to receive all the patients who need care what do you think well im not familiar with exactly the services but theres no reason no with the number of coded 19 patients declining that they get that it almost certainly is a correct statement i have known to have actually spoken to one person one of the local hospitals and he had they were all of the counts or professions in that one were going ahead and that was sent from us but 6 weeks ago what does the n. H. S. Have enough resources to treat counsel and coronavirus patients should the virus linger for a long time i think so its the routine operations like the hip operations and varicose veins are the ones that are going to get badly to lage i had a hip operation which is up shed done me lots of good but it wouldnt have been a big disaster if i hadnt carried on i had a lot of pain and most of sleeping well but i was going to die from 8 days some people that they are scared of catching coronavirus in hospital i mean it could lead to even more undiagnosed patients i think this is the big problem because those who are being diagnosed are being treated and dark journalistic services are in place its those only 2 which is so cool to me quite referral list which was the numbers that were down to only 30 percent although theyve recovered to 50 percent and i cant emphasize multi listeners that the n. H. S. Is open for the ace the g. P. s they can offer some of the consultations may not even require a visit particularly. Depending on what the symptoms are because certain things like bleeding from the bowel all bleeding postman of course are bleeding you dont it might be beneficial to be examined but the youre going to get referred where you have a normal or abnormal examination so the g. P. Can decide whether or not to retrieve see you also they can use p. P. If theyre particularly worried. And finally then professor neal what else can be done to avoid even more cancer deaths whats your advice stop smoking and if you get the symptoms go and phone your g. P. If youre worried they would assess it on the merits and many hospitals have set up essentially covert free zones and in particular for what some areas theyve requisition the private hospitals for cancer treatments so therefore only particular patients are high risk of coves age if they got to work that they could keep the routine possible to jonass which might have coded away from them by many miles dont worry youre far more risk of having an undiagnosed a missing a cancer than dying from covert 19 aged by professor case neal thank you very much. For churches could soon allow witnesses at weddings to observe ceremonies by a video coles ministers along with the church of england are considering putting remote witnessing into law currently all weddings legally require 2 witnesses plus the couple and a wedding official to sign the marriage registry person the changes would enable a virtual witness to give an electronic signature the hope is the plan could help warm arduous go ahead during the outbreak as tens of thousands of weddings face cancellation r. T. U. Case monitors ties the knot. Dealy beloved we all know its gathered here to see people not completing the quota virus crisis has put the brakes on with things as we know them despite some easing off the lock down marriage it seems is at the back of the queue i mean right now its absolutely on its knees there is no wedding industry so i think theres a few things that will happen business next year will be really good. Couples maybe struggling to get bookings because everyones doing for this year. The might be more people getting married because theyre falling in love with that part was all over again because theyve been trapped in a house with one for 3 months might also be more divorces i guess. Ultimately i think in the short time its its really disastrous and the some real Horror Stories about that are about wedding venues not refunding fees to couples that people are really struggling but longer term i think itll just bounce back while thousands of couples with g to get married this spring and summer would 19 has stopped anyone and everyone from walking up the aisle. It was pretty devastating i mean we kind of knew it was coming when it was made official thats when youre going to really really sunk in but where theres a will theres a way and many are taking no for an answer if you can work online why not get married to some decided to keep their wedding date to say i do virtually. Say we should back waldron from white rice ceremonies for our wedding day and she moved the Wedding Party no problems and then called us up to do it on my Commitment Ceremony and we did when it was told about it and it was just amazing it would have been a really rubbish day had we not had that wonderful way of marking a religion it really gives some of that forward to. Of course theres a hitch all rather not a hitch even with a priest or registrar on the video call its not legally binding these couples still need to get married properly when things are back to normal and what that could be a while off at the earliest a pencil in by the u. K. Government for small weddings could be the end of june and only for england the other home nations are doing things their own way. But it does give those couples a chance to show their love for each other while syncrude in family and friends and with 32000 council weddings in england and wales rising to 50000 by the end of the month thats a lot of people who really want to celebrate. The couples who lost out on their dream day as zoom on one wedding is something they will always remember really excited and it was just such insanity people went to such efforts for this. So i doing things the way they daffodils and yeah like city to get back to the east Bank Holiday Weekend and all of our guests turned up to him wearing yellow suits with dr jones on the type not to do approach things not just me to be quite evident by so much effort for us as little touches made a big difference. It might sound all a bit multan for what can be a very Traditional Institution and of course an online party is surely no substitute for a proper nice up but with so many adjusting to a new normal perhaps but royal weddings cipa quicker no limits on guests and no drunk embarrassing well it evades might be thinking you know what you will normal market entries us u. K. London. When you see the top of the hour. The world is driven by a dream shaped by those great. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe from. Prices