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The Global Economy im joined now by u. S. And lee in new york she is author of well chinas economy collapse and what the u. S. Can learn from china and in ankara we prostitute. Learned he is a professor of econometrics as well as the president of the foundation for International Economic research and. Roles in effect i mean you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it once youre going to annan in new york as i said in my introduction and it appears that the pandemic is receding and globally although individual countries still have some most serious issues but now is coming in the next phase of this crisis and figuring out the damage that has been incurred and how to move forward and you know in preparing for this program there are all wild estimations out there. You know b l the you all of that. There seems to be no consensus though there seems to be it seems to be politically driven depending on how much you won one letter of the 3 here what is your thinking here because the terrain is changed a lot and even if when things start opening up a lot of people are very hesitant to spend because no one knows what the recovery is going to look like its kind of a selfreferential issue go ahead tim yes i think theres also no agreement as to what indicators are important to look at. Inter member whether this is going to be an l. D. R. You there are folks who point to the stock market. And they basically say oh you know since its rocketing that means and things are looking well people dont realize that the Financial Markets now are very much decoupled from the real economy because we know that as more money gets invest in it in various corporations that means its going to be. Fewer people actually going to get employed because these investments are going into technology into robotics into Artificial Intelligence and so yes maybe individual corporations might do better coming out of this crisis but for the average person theyre going to be even faced maybe theyre facing weaker prospects Going Forward and so i think that thats clearly one area of disagreement. I think that there are so many variables out there that makes it very difficult to. Come to any. Sort of consensus and terms of what its going to look like because a lot of countries are going to have various policies. In terms of what theyre going to roll out and thats going to have different effects and so what were going to see and china im sure is going to be very different from what well see in the u. S. And that is like its going to be very difficult to know one of the interesting things that and didnt use the word that theres going to there are elements of protectionism that have to be thought about here theyd be able to read im thinking about borders in a way that they havent for a very long time and thats certainly one critique negative localization one of the things that really worries me is that 1st of all we had 2002009 millions and millions tens of millions of people around the world particularly in the western world never recovered from that tragedy and now we have this one and this is oh in totally different magnitude from a bottom up not the top down and particularly the case i know best is the american case we have another massive shift of wealth to the the wealthiest ok and the one of the issues that im most concerned with is growing inequality and it was pretty bad before this happened and now it is an accelerated at a speed that is and im going to have to agree with dan i mean there are so many indicators out there its hard to understand what that magnitude is but i think its pretty fair to say that it is. Over of magnitude greater than it was in 2000 and how do you address that go ahead. Then they needed to scare her to have ever. Again. Well lets start with ill probably leave it. Because we are making him stink by looking at their financial indicators on the line talking about the real difference of. The Global Economy. So far as and said the financial war could possibly as you know become pull from the real economy but the point is. As you mention there is going to be. Radical structural changes in teams that are working specifically in terms of globalization something with my 980 s. Peter. Who runs asian has expanded and. Has you know become even only closer and closer integration among the economies. As we call it for now i you know i see a new mode of globalization i call your life a lot like you said short of globalization by shortly after claiming that it by short globalization i mean there from our war specifically says there is this in our broken lives you know in the lives side of the economy. Some mayors will start looking at more than a local local part of global you know like you know turkeys going to look for someplace in russia you know we are in European Union instead of looking for someplace in china and United States. Because of. As i said theres something within 1800. Patients has been raised or aids or any that. Crucial you know between 1950 s. And the 1980 s. Look at that in the physician was. Substitution you know the 1980 s. It has become a sport oriented in our sation so much for all now to be from polluted from europe we cannot change the sex of the colonies investor is the sex of. Economies as will be in all of us have to be not welcome news you know of some of the cheats banging on how things are going to hear a lot from our sources we have now you know as. Well we have local economies now we need to get International Partners point now is the question is when we are going to get is part with lives thats what im calling sure local station in the same way you told your answers if it could be much more regionalized ok if you into my life but im not meaning you know by you know im not talking about the last day again ok im not talking about regional unions economic unions im just walking about Regional Economic relations markets much more closer originally coming from the look at china which is going to go to china to asia and one of the things ive been thinking a lot about since this crisis started and im a very harsh critic of most elements of globalization i make a very clear to my viewers that it seems to me that in the west globalization took on the form of financial ization with a country like china actually made real things real economy seats a globalization a real economy versus if the globalization of any actual ization and i think that that is going to cost will we see it right now a lot of tensions because theyre very different interpretations of how you benefit from globalization go ahead yes i would say that the way the u. S. Has activist called. Was a show that was really about. Wishing their corporate profits around the world and in the countries that invited us corporations in that they clearly saw their people benefit from it because there was no Real Investment in their infrastructure and. Then until china came along. You know globalization was such that it was really a one way street to the us once china came along and suddenly you saw a lot of profitability around the world. Where local economies got to benefit and grow and. And so the pie was actually getting larger and so. I would say that in this case after this crisis is over i dont agree i think that there is going to be a fracturing of supply chain because of political reasons and if that the u. S. Clearly wants to go its own way there are id you know pressuring companies to bring back their productions locally. I mean i think you know i have i think we just have to be realistic i mean that horse left the barn 20 years ago ok i understand the rhetoric and i understand the political impetus behind it but realistically speaking that is like a stalin 5 year plan a harsh one ok i mean it doesnt work that way in the west ok well maybe out of this crisis all right that may be us i dont know you know im just saying is that you know intellectually you understand the impetus but the reality on the ground i dont see what it what is the u. S. Government going to do both force under sanction of American Companies investing abroad i mean you know again you know could listen to the senate floor it also is a patriot. Taken the flag and every the musics playing but at the end of the day sheryl you say whoa really going right i think its really under realistic its hard for any. Realistic economist to to see how this develops because the supply chains are very complex so. Just to make something very simple like shoes why did those companies that used to make it in china like moved it down to vietnam because you know they wanted to access cheaper labor but then now theyve all left vietnam and went to western china because they discovered that importing the rubber from you know malaysia or cambodia you know was difficult unless they ordered large amounts trying to get the number of people to make the shoes. You know they would strike if they didnt get he raises so they discover that there are so many other issues when they try to move their operations out of china and so they discovered that the station sees complexities you know made more sense to stay in there and this multiplies 10 times a 1000 times more when youre talking about say electronic goods you know an apple i phone steve i mean tim cook has very much sense that its not possible to do it any other place other than china and so because of all these companies that feed into the supply chain is the u. S. Is going to try to make their cars just in the u. S. Like good luck because you have. All the right where we should be laughing because this is it a real crisis youve been youre absolutely right i mean youve already laid out very clearly become plug City Building shoes what about you know a car a computer a smart phone youre absolutely right go back to andrew before we go to the break years i mean is that really kind of been to with some of the the well. What youre calling a short globalization. There isnt a thing as an answer where they go to the mentalities and theyre going you know. How when youre on the world you know have changed dramatically and not. About the chains you know there are small chains i mean use of chains and eat and he chauncey edgington one of the you know chain chains one agreed to meet. Me before before the me he had a very very long chain smoking but now we are going. Through local chains and you know. I have to i have to jump in here get together with short break and after that are over continue our discussion on the Global Economy and the recovery stage are. You cannot be both with the yeah youre right a. On the front of the. Way the food. Ballot itself more to see about. Plus weve got to talk so hot that the think i dont have the dissipated. And i dont think you thought that. This is the only think that we do is music because everybody fights his way. Through and you can feel the feet of this wolf is what he and i have the ability to. But i think is this is the found that is something. Well the magic crosstalk were all things are considered im here alone to remind you were talking about the Global Economy and the recovery. And let me go back to you. Its going to focus on the u. S. China. Show because thats really what it is here. If you put you positive the question that you know because of the way the supply chains are right now and i kind of reacted to it its going to be very difficult to chase and change that arrangement of decoupling is possible i mean if that but honestly. You monk is economic decision to make because these are not just state actors these are private actors their shareholders their of them sooners and all of this i mean do you see this kind of just as a 2020 november general election issue to get past all of this because the reaction in the United States it was far from perfect and im being very generous right now with the couple lee that is a tremendous pass to go down and i dont think people after what you just said to us about shoes and then you know about i phones you think they owe it to sions and Business Leaders understand the magnitude of making that decision i think that politicians and certain policy makers in washington. Mander stand it but they dont care and the reason is this they see this competition to china as a Big National Security issue because theyre so worried about china eclipsing the u. S. In economic and political power around the world and they look at the situation in the u. S. And think theres no way theyre going to be able to compete with china has a population that is you know 3 times larger or times larger and they. Dont have the u. S. Doesnt produce the same number of engineers that china does and so they think that the only way that they can stop chinas rise and end maintaining superpower status is by trying to throw really great radical policies there to disrupt. All and shueisha in and out forcibly probably you know create a depression like situation because then nobody can grow and therefore the u. S. Will still maintain its economic leverage in that case what one might look at that with the kind of disruption in pretty clearly clearly where the u. S. Economy is in a deep recession ok what is going to happen the next year quarters is anyones guess but i think as we speak right now there is a deep recession here and we in the unemployment numbers tell you everything you need to know but i mean that is that from what youre saying that just by ok if we cant be number one we cant be prosperous the way we were before this pandemic nobody will be i mean that is the law thats a bully approach thats not looking for answers go back to angry here i mean it is sort of like the poet and have to say here i mean. This is this means that the lead salut west particularly the 9 states not understand that the its not military power this is going to solve problems its a country thats best that are in deep ok that is this revolution theyre experiencing in the Global Economy right now and as i said theres financial ization there is really going to be a development of globalization and el whoever is going to grab the bull by the horns the research and development is going to be one is going to be supreme and maybe even use the word hedge a monic if you want go ahead and you. Think which doesnt have. The fix and weve moved on and hasnt hurt me you know in this sort of that has been said many times that he has not even be productive with you who you know. For you know for her for 3. Months now been the focus of much in the long run is. You know who you beagles chinese think nordic and then we dont mean resonance in the mini for what the us and invest in economies in general i think the short run we have to take in to grant that you know one 4th of all g. D. P. By the United States and another one for. The books of the one for so the chinese you know shes about turkey per cent so when the. Economy im announces that hands off the United States and the rest so. If you are going to talk about how his you know thought our. Economy before. You know us is according to me it is more the advances thats very well and get it it seems to me and when we go to you. This rhetoric is coming out of washington i mean correct me if im wrong here but if this is the assumption that if the United States feels that believes that china needs the u. S. More than the u. S. Needs china i mean i think thats a thats a thats not to take thats not absolutely true and certainly not clear i mean again if the u. S. Is always talking about global norms ok but its only the norms of day here to everyone elses house doing it here to their interpretation i mean isnt that a risky proposition that they need us more than we need them go ahead. Yeah i dont remember reading somewhere that when the u. S. Think tanks try to continue an inventory like how many things have chinese parts and you know obviously are imported from china it was so high that they actually could not publish it and has kept that you know a state secret because i just assumed that you know its nice i saw the same thing and it had actually to do very specifically with the Defense Department and how. Many of the supply chains of their own equipment that they buy from producers american quote unquote its all outsourced everywhere else i mean it is some of these Weapons Systems their percentage of the parts and components are like 708090 percent outsourced from abroad ok i think were on the same wavelength here i mean were making my point right here you can make that snap decision but then you could be left holding the bag for a very long time and that in itself is a National Security risk as they would see it right and so therefore if they say that. China needs the u. S. More than us needs china. I think that again its probably rather it because they havent backed it up with very specific examples if you just talk about import export numbers that really doesnt tell the whole story and i think that. You know the Election Year could be playing into this rhetoric which but if the u. S. Really is serious about trying to stop you know the trajectory of chinas growth. You know theyre going to end up hurting the u. S. Economy in the baby as well and i think some of the elites have made this calculation and said well. Thats fine because we still dominate in the Financial Sector we still dominate in. The Internet Technology like Cyber Security and so forth. And so they probably feel that in specific areas that are important and strategic in terms of. Media and financial control and so forth that maybe they still hold the cards and its possible they still think that because the wrong certainly is still relying on the u. S. Dollar to a great extent as the World Reserve currency and so the u. S. Continues to sanctions as a way to. You know bend countries to their will and and so i think that theyre probably looking at it from that standpoint. As to the rest of the car a lot about it too and i think it is such a grave mistake to the use the dollar is a political weapon because all you do is devalue the dollar i mean they must be our currency but i define this is something that you everyone universally house trusts in but if its starting to start manipulating it serves a very specific and selfish political ends then people are going to me we received a dollar is a shit going on all the time its not happening quickly i agree but more and more countries are exchanging goods in their own currencies and it is because the perception that they dont want to be suddenly saying sion by the United States for the last time id. Remember a country that forced other countries to trade with the soviet union and now the United States is saying who you can trade with who you can be friends with here is go back to angry here a lot of people are saying that it becomes bling is inevitable at a point when there are discussion with and weve all agreed that a sudden decoupling would be disastrous for everybody for the Global Economy when its just in terms of mindlessly stupid to think well in the longer term youll have to internet youll have to operating systems and essentially dont be asking enjoying one of the other ok i do see that thats a possibility in the midterm long term but how we get there will be very messy to say the least keep going in a. Force before i guess we are making him sleep in talking about just. In terms of linkage yes. Now linkage is impossible. But on the other hand if you are not able to solve. It is if you do not have demand than theres no point in. What we are picturing meaning by the looming out of the us and the quest for his fortune for short term is there is those years economy and. Western economies if they. Just sent in the size of the man the man you know the purchasing power would say and thats the best you know we have we have to keep that money but i i partly agree with you that you know. People want to service the number of. d losses of goods and services that are changed that will be less and less so you know his particular that that hed been sort of you know sort of the company in here trucked. But paul both of these the you know the Global Markets we are. Seeing less and less than 1000000. 00 of them almost the hours. And last 30 seconds to you i think though that point we just heard is absolutely amazing it will be more a monopolistic and will be more expensive and less choices for consumers this path that the u. S. Is going on it is a bad one for world trade going. Right i think what were seeing inside the u. S. Is going to. Collaborate around the world and the u. S. Is that its the middle class is disappearing so well one percent is getting much wealthier and its becoming like a economy thats about 300 years were going into a new colonialism in which you have a super wealthy and then poor people everywhere thats right there is a great word for it and its called serfdom the return of serfdom. Many thanks to my guest in new york and in anchorage and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember. Go next idea. Give me my best cup with them we said. Just at home. Theres another one but im also the most companies you know so im going to give those is it a day. When i meet will. Some people get almost i mean nobody goes from village you know just. For you to i call. Someone. You see live in the world you. Always. Come to your list. So normally because here. This is r t u k welcome to our viewers from around the world were live from Central London currently waiting for the governments daily Coronavirus Press briefing given today by the chancellor but in the meantime headlines this hour. Chancellor issue saying that he is expected to tell 1st to share more of the bill for their load workforce i do changes to the coronavirus job protection scheme thats as the u. K. Government is wanted to test a trade system could push those affected by the financial difficulty. We can now just like to the chancellor. Good evening im joined here in downing street by professor steve powell medical director of n. H. S. England let me begin tonight with the latest figures 4000000 and 43686 tests have been carried out in the u. K. Including 131458 tests yesterday 271200 22 people have tested positive an increase of 2095 cases since yesterday. Sadly of those who tested positive for corona virus across all settings 38161 people have now died thats an increase of 324 fatalities since yesterday. Our thoughts as always i with the family and friends of those who have lost their lives todays figures confirm what the Prime Minister has said we are past the peak were flattening the curve we protected the n. H. S. And the number of deaths is falling over the coming weeks we can now take careful but deliberate steps to reopen our economy across the Country Office lights will be turned on and windows thrown open workloads and School Uniforms will be pulled out of the wardrobe shops and factories will start to hum with activity as we enter this new face things will change. Businesses will need to become covert secure to protect staff and customers we will all lead to stay alert as we go about our daily lives and as britain returns to work we need to adapt the emergency programs we put in place to bridge through the crisis because of those programs our economic prospects are better than they otherwise would have been. We have provided tens of billions of pounds of tax cuts tax deferrals cash grants and discounted loans for businesses income protection for millions of the self employed a strengthen safety net to protect millions of our most Vulnerable People and our Job Retention scheme has now supported more than a 1000000 jobs and over a 1000000 businesses no British Government labor or conservative has ever done anything like this i believe it has made a real difference. But as we reopen the economy there is broad consensus across the political and economic spectrum the furlough scheme cannot continue indefinitely 2 weeks ago i outlined the principles of my approach the furlough scheme will remain open all the way until october we will ask employers to start contributing as we also introduce flexible furloughing and employees will see no change to their level of support as promised i can provide more details today. And i believe it is right in the final phase of this 8 months scheme to ask employers to contribute alongside the taxpayer towards the wages of their staff but i understand too that businesses and employers have been through an incredibly difficult time. So i have decided to ask employers to pay only a modest contribution introduced slowly over the coming months in june and july the scheme will continue as before with no employer contribution at all in august the taxpayer contribution to peoples wages will stay at 80 percent employers will only be asked to Pay National Insurance and employer pension contributions which for the average claim account for just 5 percent of total employment costs. By september employers will have had the opportunity to make any necessary changes to their workplaces and Business Practices only then in the final 2 months of this 8 months scheme where we ask employers to start paying towards peoples wages in september taxpayers will pay 70 percent of the furlough grant with employers contributing 10 percent in october taxpayers will pay 60 percent and employers will contribute 20 percent. Then after 8 months of this extraordinary intervention of the government stepping in to help a peoples wages this scheme will close the biggest request ive heard from businesses large and small right across our country is to have the flexibility to decide what is right for them so to protect jobs and help businesses decide how quickly to bring their workforce back we are introducing a new more flexible furlough this is a critical part of our plan to kick start the economy the Financial Security of the furlough scheme has been a relief for many but at the same time people want to work no one wants to be at home on furlough no one wants to feel unable to contribute so has massey and the treasury have worked hard to put the flexible furlough in place not from all this the 1st as originally planned but from july the 1st one month early from july the 1st employers will have the maximum possible flexibility to decide on the right arrangements for them and their furlough staff for instance if you are watching at home and on furlough your employer could bring you back 2 days a week they would pay you for those 2. 00 days as normal while the further scheme would continue to cover you for the other 3 working days. To allow us to introduce this new flexible furlough from july the 1st we would need to close the old scheme to new entrants on june the 30th employers wanting to place new employees on the scheme we need to do this by june the 10th to allow them time to complete the minimum furlough period before then. Alongside the furlough scheme for employees our economic response has also supported the selfemployed 2300000 people have now applied for our income support scheme. I know people have been waiting to hear whether the scheme will be extended but i understand people have been anxious i can confirm today the self employment income scheme will be extended with applications opening in august for a 2nd and final grant the final grant will work in the same way as the 1st did paid out in a single instalment covering 3 months worth of average monthly profits to maintain the sense of fairness alongside the Job Retention scheme the value of the final grant will be 70 percent up to a total of 6570. 00 pounds otherwise there will be no changes and no further extensions to the schemes which continue to be some of the most generous in the world. Our economic response to coronavirus was designed to keep people in work protect peoples incomes and support businesses all to give us the best chance of recovering quickly as the economy reopens. Well the occasions where theyre giving the daily Coronavirus Briefing soon not surge the furlough job or a change in scheme would be changing with firms paying 10 percent of the bill by september 20 percent by october and after 8 months a scheme will be closed to u. K. Shut it was data is was made we had it was a little bit different to what we expect to be kind of broadly similar goals and it absolutely was broadly similar we were expecting an announcement quite like this because just 2 weeks ago and his last one the devil in that detail really was todays announcement so essentially the chance to say that there will be a cost sharing mechanism being put in place because of course the founders came cannot operate indefinitely as it stands right now the governments paying 80 percent of employees wages now the birds and it must be shared between private companies as well we dont were not expecting it would be so stark and gradual but the chancellor is really showing that the government is trying to alleviate the full burdens from the employees so for the next 2 months there will be no changes in june and july from all this employees will only be expected to pay 5 percent which would only cover pensioners costs and National Insurance september they will have to pay for 10 percent of employees wages and from october 20 percent but by the end of october the scheme is to close thats according to the chancellor originally this photo scheme was only intended to be as short term safety net up until june as we hear going right through to october thats a full 8 months that the government has stepped in to try and alleviate those pressures if the government was to carry on an 80 percent of employees wages that would cost the government 80000000000 pounds and that really is the reason the government is saying that it needs to offload their load and try and share it across the country he also announce a bit more of a flexibility when it comes to try and smooth in the transition of employees going back into work as. Saying from july the 1st bring that forward by a month july the 1st employees will employers will now be able to decide whats best for them corys whether or not workers can come back on a part time basis as well as being furloughed so as far as a chance is concerned for the country it seems like its headed in the right direction going accordingly with Boris Johnsons plans to get britain moving and get the economy back on track. Id also shot it in tandem with the economy were also looking at the new system of track and traces well what kind of impact is that going to have on people so essentially weve seen the launching of the scheme were 2 days into it but were already seeing some severe teething problems specifically over concerns that people will not be able to afford to isolate so currently as the scheme stands if youre contacted by one of these 25000 traces up and down the country theyll tell you youve been in contact with somebody thats tested positive for covert 19 as a result you will then have to self isolate for 2 weeks even though you may not be displaying any symptoms of 1000 yourself on the basis of that you will be if you get a call you will be granted statutory sick pay that is the sum of just 95 pounds every single week and many people are arguing that that is not enough to see them through the end of that week and therefore they will be forced to work and potentially risk health and safety across their workmates and indeed the Wider Community not to mention it could completely undermine the entire test and Trace Program but also to the workers could be called a number of time times in a months period so therefore they could go back to work and then have to self isolate once again of course having a huge financial burden currently this scheme is a voluntary one meaning that employers will be making their own decisions on that and its really based on public trust but the government is stressing if it doesnt work it could be mandatory and could be enforced. Lots of details the shadier thank you very much indeed thank you. Well senior scientists have criticized the governments goal of getting 200000 coronavirus tests a day by next monday as meaningless experts claim the testing figures are almost designed to confuse making it impossible to work out the number of people actually tested and any double testing there are also concerns about the inclusion of mail order tests that have been returned. Or discussed as and i joined by one of those scientists who is concerned about the testing biostatistics expert and honorary professor at Emory University professor sheila bird reza thank you very much for joining us what are your main concerns about the data well Testing Capacity does matter when i was very unwell at the beginning you february of this individually beginning of february this year despite having 2 connections to china i wasnt eligible for testing because the capacity was restricted subsequently know that the government has increased capacity considerably and also brought. But the eligibility for testing is still for the moose arent those who are symptomatic there are some exceptions to that. And and for many very many people wed expect that they would have just a single test for example if i were a Health Care Worker or if i were a member of hosts who of somebody who was a Health Care Worker and i became symptomatic then i wouldnt seek a test because my symptoms would be inhibiting my health coworker colleague or or Family Member from going to work. Right so there are certain testing tears one of them for healthcare workers are those for another or for the Family Members all. Those who are health care were so really we want to be able to track how many people were tested under each of these headings how the number of tests evolved over time because basically they are a measure of the number of people who were symptomatic in that particular testing tier and also we want to track over time the positive rate amongst those who were tested for example Health Care Workers who test now we would expect the number of tests the number of tests to have increased because capacity expended but that wouldnt necessarily mean that the test positive rate would have increased in fact rather to the contrary after we had passed the peak of the epidemic we might hope that that. Test positive rate could decrease professor and i just ask you that the 300000 tests a day this is the same for the government did i give the Public Confidence that the strategy is being ramped up and also the overall it works again as i just asked you how many tests you think that we need for a test and try to actually be valid and work as a system. I dont know the answer to the last. Day but. What i would expect is that that those who are behind the design of the test and trace would have worked out some estimates as to how many. People would have to be tested soon that route and therefore that they had enough test capacity to meet their prior expectation now that prior expectations may turn out to be incorrect and so one of the things that will be tracked during test and trace is indeed how many contacts is it 10 per person to magic person. Need to be quarantined you mentioned in your introduction that a worker might be repeatedly quantum. Well that is something that also should be subject to analysis because if one were being repeatedly quadrantid as having been in the embers of people who were symptomatic positives then that person is obviously operating in a rather high risk environment and some special measures need to be taken not only for that individual but for the environment in which he or she was working so thats a little bit of a fighter going to have to wrap it up there but thank you very much for explaining all and thank you. Theres a governess out. Harry does found ways to bring a private prosecution against the u. K. Foreign secretary for allowing his alleged killer to escape just as we hear from the family spokesperson. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Welcome back its been a field a radical proposal to lock down care homes and protect vulnerable residents was rejected by the u. K. Government the 11 point plan by Public Health officials was proposed at the end of april but wasnt included in the subsequent strategy. Officials from Public Health england urged the government to use n. H. S. Facilities and up a temporary accommodation to quarantine and isolate residents they also said or thought he should consider where the staff could be moved into the care homes for up to 4 weeks to reduce the spread of the virus and they recommended that start from infected care homes not be rotated into those that were still coronavirus free or government guidance only says on signs accommodation is for work assumed also for it and says staff should minimize risk in picking up with 19 outside work and comes as data published by the office for National Statistics shows more than 12000 care home residents in england and wales have died from corona virus with londons care sector being the worst affected they have been outbreaks in 38 percent of homes in england and 59 percent of those in scotland the government says its taking action to protect residents. Well former regional director Public Health Professor John ashton told me that all day care home residents should be protected it was obvious from the outset that old folk in particularly frail elderly people with dementia. Doubling consonance all sorts of medical conditions would be particularly vulnerable and their own planning documents some of the planning documents had indicated that whats youve got an infection occurred at home it could affect as many as 30 percent of people i can only imagine that this is being part of this whole Public Relations approach of not wanting to frighten the public and of course in the end the public get much more frightened when people start dying so i just cannot understand why they did not embrace this the other thing of course was that they focus was on the hospitals and of being concerned that the hospitals might fall. And that led to them if accurate seeing sick cleared beds from the hospitals and discharging patients to homes who took the virus with them and not as being part of the roots of this 2nd epidemic lets run through the current homes well picking up on that point and he said at the start of the crisis the n. H. S. Was the priority but we did not care homes around a set once again we saw the situation if we didnt we. Absolutely believe in you know everybody standing back from this and saying where are the vulnerable populations what are the vulnerable places. The family of harry done is to bring a private criminal prosecution against the u. K. Foreign secretary dominic rob the family claim rob did not have the authority to allow their sons alleged killer and secure last to leave the u. K. Or there was an Ongoing Police investigation they also claim that rob has misled parliament in statements made relating to the nature of her departure. So give us an allegedly hit 19 year old on while driving on the wrong side of the road in the english county of northamptonshire last august so cool us an American National was leaving the Us Intelligence base where her husband was employed she then claimed diplomatic immunity and returned to the United States but has since been charged by u. K. Police with causing death by dangerous driving the family has since uncovered a text from a Foreign Office official to a u. S. Counterpart paving the way for her to leave i think that now the decision has been made not to wait in unity theres not much mileage in i was asking just to keep the family here its obviously not as approving of their departure but i think you should feel able to put them on the next flight out well high court will decide next month whether to order the government to disclose more documents related to secure less the Foreign Office insists that it is doing all it can to secure her return to the u. K. Both the foreign secretary and the Prime Minister have been clear with the u. S. That the refusal to extradite amounts to a denial of justice and that she should return to the u. K. The foreign secretary remains ready to meet terris family and to support them to get the justice they deserve. Well on his latest about a mentor now joined by the dunn found respect besson bad seek and brad thank you very much for coming on again i mean do you expect to make much progress with a private prosecution as its pretty whether they work in the u. K. It would be unprecedented kate so they look the reality is that things went catastrophic lee wrong in london last september and secure this should never have been allowed to leave it was a decision that should have been passed over to Northamptonshire Police her claim to diplomatic immunity was that best big us and for reasons which we dont yet know the Foreign Office let her go as you just as you just repeat it and look you know the parents do not want to do and you know this what they want to do is to be able to move on with their lives but what they promised their son as he lay dying in the hospital that night is that they would get him justice and look you know you you know you cant have a situation where a foreign secretary abuses his power this way and keeps keep the police the very people who are to make that decision in the dark something went badly wrong he then went on to Mislead Parliament look its this is a very very serious matter we hope it can be resolved amicably and privately but at the moment as you as you continually repeat the Foreign Office keep telling the world that they dealt with everything lawfully improperly ultimately the parents have to have to you know go to the last resort. You know it bring in the you know the courts and they you know i think they just dont want to do it but they will if they have to do with a text message seems to back you up still doesnt show you that approval was given by dominic robb in particular doesnt. Well look hes the you know it was the Foreign Office and hes the head of the Foreign Office and thats why hes being named. As a as a as a potential suspect. They you know hes the one who effectively was in charge of that department and they let her go there is no doubt now kate that should not have happened and we have rules in this country we are a rules based system and that it was for the police to make that determination not the form of the office that is likely to constitute an abuse of power and its also likely to have interfered in the polices investigation and we know in december when they were allowed to finish their investigation that they decided she did not have diplomatic immunity and they did charge or so i challenge anybody to come on to your show and disagree with me that they did not impede the investigation in september had they been given the chance to do it in september they would have reached the conclusion that they did in december setting out again then raj i mean a doubling of he says he didnt either and 2nd i said left the country and also on that point then shouldnt a focus be then on the u. S. Extradition. Look this is the thing that makes me the saddest of all which is you know the parents and the foreign secretary should be working together. To go to washington to make sure that this comes back it does nobody d any favors to have this 3 way fight but any relationship has to be based on trust and the truth and as you all know weve had several meetings with with dominic rob and im afraid hes not been truthful with us from the start as to what he knew personally and what he did in course hes going to come out and say that hes doing everything he can to get the parents justice that is what this is about she should not have been allowed to leave and he just he well knows and he that say get many thanks for coming on thank you very much and when hes in hoffa now. We go to work. Straight home. Is youll be a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation full community. Are you going the right way or are you being led with. What is true what is faith. 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