A depression greater than the one that catalyzed world war 2 why is britains former Goldman Sachs chancellor outlawing a universal basic income has trump signed checks go out to americans could you be i be the only social vaccine to prevent a western economic apocalypse the us author and pandemic filmmaker sean stone on just how catastrophic we badly the u. S. Has handled the pandemic all the support coming up in todays going underground but 1st as the u. K. Enters its 10th week of lockdown it arguably becomes clearer and clearer how coronavirus has exposed Massive Cluster visions in britain from private schools remaining closed while Boris Johnsons government tries to reopen state schools to low wage workers being forced back to work while the rich quarantine at home Little Wonder perhaps that scores of politicians have written to Boris Johnson about a thinly veiled class war london has been hardest hit by coronavirus in the race is on for next years may all elections joining me now via skype from liverpool is drill minister who this time. Next year could be the mayor of london thanks so much really for coming back on before we get to the merrill t. And our other issues our condolences for your loss just tell us your personal. Experience of coronavirus it really hits fall when it happens live in your household you see these things arent you see things the instagram you see also people joking about coronaviruses even at the start he was jokes that people couldnt even get started by corona virus that was quickly swept by a lot of people d in d the n. H. S. Being. In a quote backgrounds and being from if it minority backgrounds could be being d affected by this in the desk totally not that could be changed it was perspective when it me myself it happening even my whole family it changed my perspective on how serious to treat this and not to get caught up in the conspiracy theories people and a lot of people seem to have series on this but no one seems to have called me every day are you surprised that theres been so Needle Research into why black British Asian british jewish british all these different minority groups are disproportionately being affected by coronavirus i think a country that is adamant about this immigration policies and is adamant about get breaks it down. I think we got caught in the midst of getting broke sit down and forgot about how were going to survive when something of that impacts it comes along which is obviously i will work pandemic missional kind of evidence for what happened bought it for us in a position where you know how to look we now have to look at ourselves as a country and look at how we treat immigration how you treat those of ethnic minority and i think its very obvious that we havent been looking or caring for those people in those positions because when Something Like this happens at a 1st wants to be affected then theres no inquiry as to whats called d known. And we dont have any concrete evidence as to if they are truly the majority been affected because d the stats and information being given out by the government and it d warns defames that what we are receiving a lot will correct that the census itself the census of how many ethnic minorities and black and d ethnic minority ethnic groups are in britain only finishes at 2011 how many send deciles which was in that period from now to 2020 we cant tell you so the figures are not correct meanwhile you and your may oral campaign you seem to have seen off rival that tory contender etonian iraq viceroy has what is being called her a spirit are you supporting Boris Johnsons plan to send state School Children back to school in june i dont know whether hes rolled back a little from that even while eton has decided to listen tambour and Cambridge University which a disproportionally takes from private schools wont open till next year either so for any put these children being put in the necessary danger until war starts and has to cut our losses for the parents of those children its no good to get the children out of the parents everybodys going to be crazy you know i mean the lot of the machete from doing the things we love to do its an adaption that is not easy for anyone is that some people are becoming you know poor to another level that we can never really understand and have been affected and defames that are going to happen last it is like there is going to affect them as much as whats happening in the dark but the same people children to school are necessarily without proper testing move up proper truth for what information we have on this disease to see how the rest of the world has cheated as we have found a way to get back to little civilisation and the rest of the world ever able to do this also this is just being foolish acting before we have a proper information and i feel. If you pour their message out there that poor expendable you have to understand really for that message out there at some point paul are going to not be around anymore if you to write a case that there will only be the rich to do these jobs and if thats what Boris Johnson was for the future of his country then thats that world there is just as good a leaf received response 3 alyse protects all of these says we should do most important and thats why its last cell in china get myself into longer metaphysician to do my part i know you have got quite famous in this country in the past few days of his saying that Boris Johnson who famously also said he wanted to shake hands with corona virus patient in hospital he should be sent to wu han do you think its by design. In this country that attending in poorer paid people to work while the rich quarantine themselves. If it is a bad habit is this is something that is in a very we designate jobs we dont like to people who feel unless unless this is something that happens in most countries to do anything to do immigration bar we just china in our country we have a way of making it seem as still. More distinguished in that we dont look at things that that we have more class about ourselves that we wouldnt deem anybody an undesirable law some a joke does not desirable but this is what we do this is why we believe people are expendable and dettori government unfortunately and its not to take it to a political taking southwell the tory government is in power right now and whether theyre running the government right now is based upon who can bring the most to the table and. The massive shift to majority the average man unfortunately doesnt fit that criteria so hes expendable his children are expendable his wife is expendable his grandmother was expendable his very front was expendable and this is through. This is chauffeured it did to lack of care in the cavils where people grandmothers and grandfathers that have been possible where high numbers and we dont know the root tree numbers of what going on in the care homes a lot of parents havent been visit for a long time does a lot of inspection d and checks what happened to corona d d virus in a lot of their industries down look on protecting their. Places that care homes and Mental Illness situations the places that do refuse and people that theyre not doing their job because theyre not worth their suffering still insult their old so of course it gets to the point where you know raunch we need a treaty people are expendable well in fairness of the government which of course refutes that they are expendable there appears to be a regret emerging from the government about sending untested patients to care homes to the elderly with coronavirus sending them to camp so people are thinking of voting for you and as you say presumably you are bipartisan you want votes from tory voters and labor voters here in london people are going to ask what do you actually unlivable during the pandemic. Im in europe all because im afraid of city car and im not going to pretend hes the guy running the london right now and the way hes run in london im so scared for my family for people i care about and the way that hes well in the underground the transport system the way that he informs the lockdown so late i became frightened for my own safety and i had to come out of the capital because i became ad believe it became the infestation for coronavirus i believe that city had a major part to play in that he has a lot of weight on the shoulders when this is done i dont know how he sleeps at night i dont know how far sticks and that they find a way you know de de de no what sector tended to look for thrones and of course the previous man we invite the mayor of london on but are you saying that london methody khan who doesnt give Daily Press Conferences like other man has around the world of Capital Cities that he is to blame for the dysport proportionate numbers of bus drivers that have been killed by coronavirus and transport enough i went on this morning t. V. And i spoke to phyllis for 4 and only libby and i said to demonstrate the lady and lee for the whole nation to see i said hey we need to shut down the transport systems this is getting out of hand. We need to close the schools seriously are everything was on lockdown it was shrewish before i said that comment only took 3 weeks off of that everything started to happen lock down this shutting down the transport in the 3 weeks how much infestation is spreading of these fires had happened how much could be have stemmed a virus if wed have acted quickly but this former leader who is our met who is the person we look to when were in times of crisis and a city wide scale he did nothing he acted on nothing he didnt look out for the best interests of the guys that work in our c. F. O. Realizing theyre putting their lives on d the land for the for the for the capital every day but for what is in the house theres do you need less drives and you need less risk he didnt look at the types of things. And not punish london d as we have like them coffee zones and d all of this to try to make up for this is nonsense raising the us race into congestion of course we want to we want it in and help the environment but we dont want to punish the poorest of our of our citizens and in the capitol at the same time trying to do it and this is what city is trying to do is basically trying to say corona was d the fault of the people of that whole this is how theyre going to go off that is just finally london has a disproportionately poor Chinese Community in Central London in chinatown apparently theyre being disproportionate tax on them in the early stages of this virus what do you make of our strength and the government claiming china hacked the n. H. S. And that china has to pay for coronavirus. I think we certainly totally blame him right now. I think through was doing and you know that being fair at the beginning lets not put blame on anyone notice or that and now when we have a certain amount of debt in our country and people have me locked horns that theyre never going to be able to see again where that each die prematurely or whether they say was the corona that really caused d or not people have lost loved ones and them look at the barge johnson our leader our nightly shining armor the person thats meant to be the helm of our country the person that is mysterious in the right direction suits our churchill lets put it that way and our churchill asparagus churchill it is hes playing the blame game theres no room principle hes looking for a kind of premise School Playground to to play it with this is what hes doing his duty so trying to call up hes put in a china in the corner and not china as it drove minister thank you. After the break as millions of americans face the prospect of chronic unemployment as socalled political pundits wrong to come back of it 19 to the Great Depression. A badge of honor whats the real reason the u. S. Appears to lead the world to the number of confirmed 1000 cases and deaths we ask sean stone or 3rd pandemic filmmaker this all coming up in part 2 of going underground. International memorial awards are now open for entries. Media professionals are eligible whether you are a freelance journalist work for alternative media or part of a global News Platform to participate in the show published works in video all written for much go to award dot altie dot com and to now. d come. Down. To new to show you some news you do so you can. Just look up on. These shows of this stuff but dont think its a size 616 to force you to put stinky today but he knows. Every mall. Box in the. Blank. Please and. I know some boxers like a distinction to education but. Welcome back millions of americans have already received their 1200. 00 check in the post and what some see is a socialist policy hijacked by the political right become a universal basic income survive in the u. S. His record on employment figures suggest there will be more people on the breadline in the coming months than in the whole of u. S. History joining me now via skype from new orleans is editor of basic income today and Senior Policy Adviser to Senate Candidate mike broyard and who has been living on a crowdfunding basic income since 2016 squats and 10 thank you so much for coming on im going to tell you that here in britain the former Goldman Sachs chancellor outlawing a basic income when asked directly the question about it and britain of course has been one of the worst hit by coronavirus in the world what do you make of a. I think its really unfortunate that hes not really looking at getting money directly to people with as little bureaucracy as possible i think that were in a really you know dire situation where people all over the world need incomes because theyve been ordered to stay home and it just doesnt make sense for governments to say stay at home and then not make sure that everyone can stay at home so when you talk about bureaucracy i use saying that there must be something ideological behind all of this because britain of course has furlough scheme salary for schemes all sorts of different types of grant mechanisms over there in the states you have a means test at 200000 different forms to be filled you think all of this is wasting valuable taxpayer money. Yes not only. About wasting money because i think actually right now were in a unique situation where thats less of a concern then usual i think its more about time and efficiency i mean when this all started governments around the world could have just said ok were ordering you to stay at home were going to make sure that every single one of you has that money to pay your bills and instead all governments around the world figured out other ways of doing that they tried to keep people employed they paid through employers theaters through loans or through wage subsidies and then you know some places went the route of getting people direct Cash Payments but not to all people japans really the only country so far that said all right lets get money to every single citizen although as i say the checks at least to be going out with the lack of the kind of means testing you doggedly expect in the United States professor guy standing is often the no on this show he was advise ing form and they believe the german corbins the labor party its obviously run now by a a different leader more hope there than them from whats happening in britain from trump or or joe biden what about joe biden who seems to have disappeared in delaware. Yet joe biden has really not been talking about. 2000. 00 a month base income was really the. Pitch really in congress here in the u. S. So there are a couple different bills in congress and the house representatives and then theres also a bill recently through the senate as well all of them are about 2000 dollars per month and joe biden actually has not even commented on these things yet and he seems to be avoiding even speaking about it yet so he was talking to andrew young who put u. B. I. On the International Level or National Stage during the president ial debates before yang dropped out of the race for the white house this year yeah i was really looking forward to the conversation between andrew young and joe biden i thought that they would actually discussed. Income a little bit and they did not so my assumption is that part of the deal of speaking with joe was to not talk about that considering that yang actually ran on a freedom dividend during his president ial campaign so is it now all up to trump because youve characterize u. B. I. As a social vaccine which could be the only way out of as i was saying earlier the worst depression absolute us history. Yeah so at the beginning of this a basic income would have enabled people to actually stay home and pay their bills and now since were starting to reopen then businesses need customers and 25000000. 00 people here in the us actually applied for multiple weeks in a row for unemployment weve got to make sure that money actually gets to people to be customers and if we dont do that then were looking at an extremely drawn out recession that could possibly even enter into a deflationary spiral spiral Great Depression style well there has been a lot of criticism at state level there and here in britain about the processing all of these furlough claims loan schemes these variety of different mechanisms that have started since going of ours but you you believe we should be compensated for the assignment of rights across the board that have been taken by multinationals the oil fish minerals radio t. V. Frequencies water rights governments of assigning those to multinational corporations sometimes efficiently and we should be we should be compensated as people who live in our societies. Yeah i think the close example in the world to a universal basic income is actually in alaska its operated there since 1982 where every year all alaskans receive a dividend and its seen as their share of the natural oil wealth of alaska and of course thats oil wealth but there is many the. Many more forms of natural wealth everywhere the government is operating and paying for a lot of this original research that then is go it on goes on to the companies to be profited from you know if you look at the i phone so much of that was just all originated in Government Research and the fact that we essentially in the creation of private property system have excluded people from their rightful Natural Heritage to the earth itself and our ability to survive on our own but were the only species in the world has to pay to live here so if its a win win situation for businesses for the public for children for the old why why would governments why would donald trump not accept this was the with the greatest opportunity that we could take out of coronavirus i mean presumably they dont like soviet style bureaucracy and form filling and you numerable types of schemes instead of a you. You would think so. But you know i look at trump and its it roots an interesting question too to look at trump as an example of you know what see whats he thinking whats stopping him from this because trump is actually a unique person where he actually seems to be greatly driven by popularity so recent poll came out here recently that 82 percent of the country actually supports 2000. 00 per month of basic income for the duration of this crisis and you would think that he would jump on something that would be popular so he could be even more you know widely loved by even more people if you give people a basic income they have the power to say no and that means being able to refuse. Insufficient wages and poor working conditions and hours that are too much it just gives people the freedom that i think theyre afraid of granting. Well no doubt some elites would say no theyre not afraid at all of the freedom and confidence that a u. T. I. Would instill in the public but to me Clear Channel night i mean even before coronavirus 40000000 americans could not eat without the help of federal aid or the Food Stamp Program and now the feds your own powell saying that june g. D. P. Contraction could be i dont know he seems to be saying up to 39 percent i mean what will happen if there isnt a u. B. S. Its a good question i mean were already looking at some of these i mean we know that what happened last time with the Great Recession that things like suicides greatly increases tens of thousands of suicides were a result of the Economic Impacts and nothing else from the Great Recession we know that abuse rates go up and within households thats intimate Partner Violence and also child abuse and were even seeing those as well i mean people who are stressed out and just barely able to get by every month this is when things happen that we really want to avoid thats when you said its a i think of it as a social that scene this is a preventative approach to so many things that we dont want to happen we want people to actually be free of this chronic stress and we also want businesses to function like it doesnt make any sense that we actually have thousands of people lined up for food banks that have never had to do that before and at the same time theres food in stores theres farmers who are plowing under their crops and at the same time you know people could be buying this in farmers markets directly from farmers its just a lack of money and so it makes just so much more sense to make sure that people actually have the money to purchase what they themselves decide that they need for those seeking help details or not you tube channel for information scotts antennas thank you thank you. The u. S. Has over 1000000. 00 confirmed cases of covert 19 over a 5th of all confirmed cases worldwide present all trump insisted on to the country conducting more tests than anywhere else is 5 reports that it lags behind on testing capita sean stone author and pandemic filmmaker joins me now via skype from the circle gold faith in ohio where the number of corona virus cases apparently continues to soar join just take me back to the 28 film for us because you immediately saw the need to buy powerful authorities to. Use viruses for surveillance yes sir 2008 i made a film called singularity which is a short film online people can watch it for themselves this is something that i can see coming because of the nature of the surveillance state we already understood even before snowden came out that we were looking at total surveillance state this is the rollout of you know not only the i phone and the sort of the monitoring platforms like the googles and others but the camp the surveillance cameras the notion that the government had the right to spy on you so i said well what happens if a plague socalled plague virus comes that scares people to the place we surrender all their rights to be consistently monitored dry why was your mind on plagues when they were in elses was arguably on revelations of what would become Edward Snowdens revelations obviously julia songes revelations you mediately focused on the pandemic threat because pandemic threats have always been here i mean the thing is i dont see it as a pandemic i mean we saw us a sars outbreak in china 1003 i believe in multiple swine flu and things like this and weve seen outbreaks of socalled you know viruses Virus Outbreak that ultimately you know the system adapts some people die just like every flu season theres a new new flu viruses that says this is part of the evolution but people can be so scared by the notion of a virus or a play because its an invisible thing that i believe that the that the government and the scientists you name it with in the end i h. Within that system of power big pharma controlled controlled medicine can essentially tell you well we have to control you monitor you surveil you at one level to make sure youre not sick but then at a deeper level to take away your Civil Liberties as were seeing now with the idea you can even question cobe it or offer different alternative theories about the medicine or give a platform to other doctors who challenge the n. I. Age American Medical Association mainstream perspective where that whats happening on facebook and youtube theyre being shut down thats the kind of censorship thats only the beginning of this orwellian state and something that i saw it in my short film 12 years ago and you think the lack of transparency may be an element in the reason why. Why the United States seems the worst affected country in the world i dont know i mean honestly they say its the worst affected but again i mean weve heard Horror Stories out of spain and italy and china to begin with i mean america i dont know what that means as far as the worst effects of that we have very poor health in this country and people looked around and notice how unhealthy americans are howel overweight and if you really look at the people that die from cobe it the vast majority have cofactors write comedy issues so if youre looking at unhealthy populations actually america has a very unhealthy population to begin with ok it would just i want to get on to other things in a 2nd but it affected elites so obviously defective Boris Johnson here in this country the Prime Minister i think thats why theres been such a focus on coded rather than poverty related diseases like the one you just mentioned you know the reason theres a focus on covert is because were told theres a focus on covert that we want to fight wage war on on good health for example the whole planet i think i want to change its attitude towards pesticides g m os life the states you know that was in sprayed on us and now its in our Water Supplies there are many things that we could focus on but we instead choose to say well wait until the virus comes that we can then terrorize the population with everyone wear a face mask which essentially gags you and puts you into a position of feeling disempowered as opposed to saying wait lets focus on the human individual health and our sovereignty over our body and how its really we have to make the proper decisions for our body for i mean immune system because we are full of viruses all the time that people forget we literally have who knows how many countless billions trillions of viruses bacteria within our body every moment thats what it is to be alive so we have to focus as an individual on maintaining our health as opposed to the Old School Model which is not preventative medicine and health care its reactive which is take this make this vaccine or you know to make it go away or this pill to make to make it go away as opposed to saying well you cant make these things go away all you can do is learn how to adapt to live with them just quickly what what he would be on right now. Right now its a beautiful opportunity i think theres an opportune. This time to reset the entire nature of our economy and how we transact with each other im looking at peer to peer transactions im offering consultations in this time for example obviously doing the consulting with r. T. And but also im going to be doing the new Radio Program in the desert that art bell started years ago looks like ill be taking over one of those nights coming up this summer and as for the election for the white house later. No real choice between biden a trump you know what i have no problems trump once again. Thank you. For the show will be back on wednesday 40 years since u. S. Soldiers massacred hundreds of civilians in the uprisings object of a new inquiry begun in the past few days in seoul until that wash your hands join me on the ground. That instagram and facebook. 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