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Go to work so you straight home. Hello and welcome to crossfire were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle the collapse of the russia gate hoax has exposed yet again the unprofessionalism and bias of the corporate liberal media the same media consistently project their own claimed values and political preferences and even the truth are conspicuously absent in their news report. You crossed up this and more im joined by my guest k. My present in los angeles she is host of the game iris in show and in new jersey we have joe concha he is a media reporter and columnist for the hill rules of that that means he can jump in income what now is appreciated let me go to joe 1st here joe over the last 3 and a half years weve been fed this russia gate hoax and its bait and its very basis it is leaks that are giving up given to prefer news outlets from the powers that be well well call it deep we have opinions a new way and those we have a lot of bloopers in retrospect they the the leaks didnt amount to anything or dead ends or basically wrong and then you know the flip side is over the last lets say 2 weeks and i have were getting real facts i even to the point of hand written notes something attached to a name a face a big here we have congressional records that have been released or madam ships. Investigation with all of his witnesses and the names are attached to the words under oath and never mind it doesnt make any difference its keep moving on i mean i find it really quite astounding that you know we were told that there was a grand conspiracy but now there is a grand conspiracy of silence. Well youre exactly right about innuendo right as far as russia reporting a lot of it was based on unnamed sources id love to meet this guy named on name sort of compliance because you get a lot of things wrong right its not like he gets it wrong and reporters make mistakes i heard this analogy once that the White House Press corps and political media in the u. S. In general its like when you go to the beach and you throw food up to see calls it doesnt matter if the bread is mol good or bad. Adam or pop rocks theyre going to eat it gobble it up and not verify what theyre being fed so you know i spoke to one Emmy Award Winning journalist thats been in the business for a while and she said what reporters dont realize is that theyre contes pawns for political operatives trying to push a narrative out there that they know is false but they know this reporters will eat up anyway because there is no accountability when you get it wrong as were saying right because the news cycle goes on so fast we forget about it and get the clicks and the ratings anyway so it doesnt matter thats your point around general plan there are documents here its in writing how can we get this guy to lie so we can prosecute him i would think that reporters would be 2 things right now pissed off and carries and when youre those 2 things thats when youre doing your reporting but instead we dont see it at all we saw them put adam schiff on the air for 3 years adam schiff isnt michael evan oddie of lawmakers ok now remember have an avi you know he was on cable news hundreds of reborn lawyer less knowing the words yes i heard somebody call him that once on cable news hundreds of times even touted as a president ial candidate and you know what he has president right now of the cell block at rikers but still we put this guy in there all the time just like we did chef and the wall street Journal Editorial Board give them credit because they said dont put this guy on air again you know they sent it to me he is not to be believed youre going to see a lot more adam shift and anybody who reports on Michael Flynn like Catherine Herridge of c. B. S. News oh now its just right wing reporting and conspiracy theories and this is why i trust the media is where it is right now in American Society somewhere around where we view lights and thats not a good. Day it is very interesting can we leave the f. B. I. Knew before to use the the cia this new us they they knew it was basically they were not using it they willingly use this document in the way they knew it wasnt. Accurate but they still use it for. Warrants i mean its. Same thing with joe if youre saying to me we have you have reporters knowingly know that this is a farce its a hoax but they go along with it anyway because it serves a political purpose 1st and foremost so great and an ideological one on top of that ok i mean i will always made it clear on programs i dont really care one way or another about going to the white house ok they come and go ok with this type of behavior if that isnt put in check now will become a norm waiting thats certainly not what you want down so kim and i mean it again you know theres theres no self introspection no matter what the democrats the introspect after the 2016 election theyre doing it again theyve been hell theyve been shown to be. Showing that they were pursuing a hoax its been shown to be a hoax and now theyre saying were going to be good us and say were the ones that are conspiring to look for a way to protect attorney general barr i dont think any of us are doing that at all go ahead. Now i mean you know what it really comes down terry is that the media is really just focused on getting clicks you know im not really 100 percent in the im not 100 percent certain that media is actually part of that in any way i mean they are part of any and that you know that when youre watching fox are going to get a certain viewpoint if youre watching c. N. N. Youre going to get another i dont know if fundamentally theyre at their core partisan i think what they are is theyre Media Entertainment theyre trying to get clicks they understand that they need ad revenue they need to they they need eyeballs and they know that emotion sells and so what they do is they fear monger they find a conspiracy that they can get anything salacious that they can just latch on to share scandal or controversy conflict in some way and they use that in order to make gobs and gobs of money theyre using our emotions and not the attention to reality hit him to peoples lives and destroying in the process and i mean i and i think that. Something you know that they can make out on me whats going on in hollywood who sleeping with whom and you know whos getting divorced that i mean i guess thats all kind of little lady and all that get in there in that is the sense that would be agency but theres a lot of people who would be just chewed up and spit out in some people are going to prison and you know and thats why joe i can go back to you i think that thats the difference between included taking that which i know exactly what it is but at a certain point the need to value institutions and very ideas and like let me you cant trivialize there are certain things you shouldnt trivialize because its dangerous go ahead. Lets look at micro example exactly were talking about i like clinton in taman his audience in a clinic ok im stealing that as far as just barbara for instance and Mika Brzezinski i remember 20162015 when President Trump then candidate trump announced his candidacy hes on their show on a regular basis phone interviews to the point where publications like Rolling Stone are calling them out for these interviews are way too soft theyre way too friendly youre going to put this guy in the white house if you keep propping him up like that and sure enough the president captures then candidate trump captures the primary nomination and the Party Nomination and then suddenly joe meek a term on trump now that they suddenly change their minds how they got out of them what they wanted and then they realize are going to be ostracized hamptons the Upper West Side of manhattan which if they continue to look like theyre supporting him right now theyre the most staunch critics on trump you just laugh at it as you know its not serious because well why didnt they speak out against him 20152016 then i see the never trumpeters that are on the air mccall all former not all i think them joe all 5 ok. Well there may be more actually right you see rick wellstone you see Nicolle Wallace you see on and of are all these republican strategist where i cant name one campaign theyve actually ever won in the past 15 years but theyre put on as socalled republicans and they. What their job is to speak out against trying to get the pure the idea that even people most own party are against him until you look at gallup polling and hes the highest of any president in terms of Party Loyalty and history so thats the thing this is all a game i dont think really that the ana navarro of the world either she was a never republican or b. Now she really doesnt hate trump or Nicolle Wallace hate trump much as they do it just gets them sent our next contract it gets them attention and love on social media so when people ask me is there bias i agree with him i think you have to probably is some bias there is some activism but in the end the end this is all bad acting like cinemax up 3 oclock in the morning bad acting people are just doing it to get people what they want your instead of. Oh really with both of you then given him what is the purpose of journalism i mean maybe we should just say journalism doesnt exist anymore and this is all intertainment or not is its a serious question you know because again like i said to me when you have left unchecked youre going to have the f. B. I. Investigating the next president ial candidate ok i mean this is there is consequences but this behavior other than to try to garner clicks and celebrity. Others absolutely really journalism is dead unfortunately there is and i mean you have to think about logistically how would you even support journalism right now with with the media the way that their support is there advertisement dollars so theyre looking for emotion theyre looking for clicks they need salacious headlines so then your other option would be what government funding well is the government going to Fund Journalism thats going to be criticized criticizing the government so really where it would turn they come yet look at p. B. S. That is not you know logically driven broadcasters and he goes yes i agree yes so it you know where could you find a real journalist who would find that real journalism journalism is expensive and those of us who are in independent media it is extremely difficult for us to to manage i mean just to put on a show like i do. On mine and and then you know i dont have journalists on the ground that are going out investigating thats a lot of money where would i get that money so the real problem with journalism and there are so many stories and so much information out there you know to try to pursue something where youre going to have a constant refreshed news cycle every single day thats a lot of people you have to support that that that that you know enter enterprise somehow so thats the big question is how do you support authentic journalism needing the amount of money that its going to take without them turning into this the same what were saying with every single socalled institution of journalism out there from Washington Post to New York Times to stand and say i am as n. B. C. Fox now all of that how do we do it thats the big question well you know so joe were just stuck with tribalism and trying to tribalism that so people can be found and support i mean if you look over at the intercepts ok they have they have a let me well they can you know give them money to do investigative reporting and its a real links back. But you know but also you know im going to really very tragic because were live with a model that kim is describing which i think shes right then there is really no coming together we have to live with our conditions and unfortunately its only getting worse. I agree with ken and i understand her context which is political media and she laid out the networks that were talking about right cable news or New York Times Washington Post right places you could still get decent journalism now maybe not that it wont go heavy on the National Stories but i still think my local news is still good you know id still good because i dont see any of them injecting their dear diary opinions into recording its this fire happened here this person unfortunately got killed here this team won and heres your Weather Forecast so least i know i can get it there so that at least is comforting on some level and im sorry if you hear my my 4 year old yelling she had made comments in a shot within you know 20000 seconds i think. I saw your dog running behind my back specially a military its quite possible he had no idea you know it really is it it really is the model that were having to deal with but it is politicized and im really worried about that because we have to account some kind of trust in some some things that are that we all can agree upon if we cant do that were in trouble ok were going to get away short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on the media lands. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im showbusiness ill see of them. Seemed wrong but all in all just dont call. Me old yet to see palin distinct attitude. And in detroit because the trail. Went on many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. You are no offense but you no longer a young woman in fact you are one of the last living survivors of the nazi else asked im aware of it. For a day. All you like. You can never forget they are gone now auschwitz was really like to be inhaled because you would never believe it want to go to as a copy of a course for 30 years and over the curb it it all seems so a lot of fire decide to make it right when i get out on the farm saw you know what song to heard next the oh so he can listen and hopefully bless my heart hurts. Welcome back to cross up where all things are considered im peter love to remind you were discussing the media landscape. Can let me go to you i noticed that we had chris hayes from m. S. N. B. C. Give a major interview it was better to be fair and then i thought it really i dont necessarily want to lets remember that chris hayes is supposed to be the smart one over m. S. N. B. C. He supposed to be the intellectual over there and number one during all of this hope you never had a confrontational guest on his program not once. Not once i dont think i missed him b. C. In general ebert. Ox news doesnt all of the time but i give them credit for particularly on Tucker Carlson is not but most of his program is about 5050 which i think he stands unique in the media landscape where it going going back to chris hayes if you if you just spill his interview and what happened as an embassy and the scene he said the russians made him do it now its heres some context one of my favorite films is dr strange well and remember Brigadier General jack ripper remember that crazy general that you know that a launch is the b. 52 and he was saying that you know the russians have him over infiltrated and poisoned our bodily fluids and i couldnt believe that someone having chris hayes a statue or at emmis n. B. C. Could say that and get away with it i mean there is no agency nobody has any agency in thats exactly where the peddlers of this hoax did they you know its not our fault that they were reacting to what someone is doing was just exactly what is being done to them. Again that is such a total just Service Journalism go ahead well i didnt know chris hayes was the intellectual want to read everything. That was filthy Rachel Maddow our somebody. You know and i didnt catch his interview this whole this whole narrative that has just continued on for what now 70 years i think is ringback where were at with the whole u. S. Russia. Conflict and of course there were some points where it was very legitimate. And you know but but since then its just become this its become insane i mean its it really is truly insane and theres never an apology theres never a correction if there is a correction its buried somewhere very small where no ones paying attention to it because everyone latched onto the salacious headline of russia hacked vermonts electricity grid or russia hacked into cspan or you know theres all of these different hoke says that a bit that it that they have claimed oh you know russia did it russia made me do it russia put trump and power russia you know russia russia russia all the time. You know and theres never any any chance to look at oneself and say maybe we did something wrong maybe were the ones that are upsetting the voters maybe maybe we no longer represent the American People and instead theyre trying to paint this dichotomy well its either you go you know youre with us because were americans or if youre not with us then youre with russia which is not america we cant you know groups and its just like. You know joe one of the interesting things that you know i have noticed is that it and this is my theory about the hoax of russia gate hoax is that it was one way for the democrats not to have any introspection after 2016 and youre absolutely right if you want to blame someone for interim selection blame the media i mean all they did was demonize him and anyone that would vote for him well you know boehner still. Like to be demonized theyre doing it again in this election cycle i mean they focus all their anger on the wrong issues ok because i can i was i grew up in a red state i dont like health then the National Media the bi coastal media talks about Middle America climate really. Condescending and rude and arrogant very very arrogant and theyre doing it all over again and number 2 it is to keep the left together because one of the interesting thing about this is if you had civil libertarians cave on this one its very interesting they completely changed on this and its i think its really remarkable for the end of this big primary that the democrats that late again Anonymous Sources the kremlin is supporting bernie ok again theyre using this to carouse people and what it and of course bertie you know has no backbone at all he didnt fight back you would have issued as of this ounce of you to do this again to was i know he can form and so its a very interesting way they keep the left under control particularly in the insurgents of the progressive which is they are under control now because you have nowhere else to go which is their usual mantra its very tricky and theres nothing as ive said many times in this program theres not much russia or russians in russia ok its really of trying to control the political and media landscape in the u. S. I think about the premise of the whole russia hack in 2016 election thing for a moment ok because they bought minimal ads on facebook a fraction of what the clinton and Trump Campaign spent on bashing each other that somehow it changed the election where lets say im supporting Hillary Clinton and im on facebook and im looking at you know some my friends can scratch yours and that adds up and i say you know a lot going that it makes a good point i like teller but i think im going to support from now one person does that who want to end. Only does that i get a robo call being like you know youre making a good point here why dawkin back to me its so that part is ridiculous and i think a lot of journalists think that their viewers are stupid and maybe they are brainwashed to a certain extent because again they want to hear what they want to hear and instead of what they should be hearing right i subjoin read over the weekend shes on m s n b c you know one of the electoral ones that said that you know we should come to the point now that we have to accept the President Trump may not embrace the results of the 2020 alexion when you look at the big think it is from 2016 because thats what i said about trump and no and who is the day who is the candidate who did not accept the results Hillary Clinton has been the public therapy door for the last 3 years talking about how she should have won the election and instead of saying you know i probably should campaign in wisconsin i guess my final note is dr strangelove you brought up jack tripper wasnt that i thought he was and. The river where it per not tripper ok because jack tripper was in the a. B. C. Comedy Threes Company and then eventually the spot objects be israel thats a tangent i didnt mean to go off on that but one final serious point to those in Middle America you grew up in a war red state the reason why the 2016 election everybody says oh my god we didnt see this coming how could that possibly be because theyre going to stay in their ivory towers known as t. V. Studios in washington and new york in washington donald trump got 4 percent of the vote and then had he got 10 percent of the vote and thats where all political media is concentrated of course are going to hide mentality and you may miss whats happening in wisconsin pennsylvania michigan and ohio where the election was won and its probably going to happen here again because no one learns to kens point theres no accountability theres no introspection and i dont think its not because they dont want to do it no actually they dont want to do it but. You know given the way the introspection that they d. N. C. And the democrats had from 2016 theres one very important lesson to be drawn from that if you run for president have those macedonians on your. Side because it seemed like they chipped in ok. Jim you know one of the bombshell over the last few days and im using acknowledge you didnt wait now like how that were phrase was abused for 3 and a half years is that we had a testimony from Ships Committee that the the c. E. O. Of crowd strike that you know made it the russians for a behind the how come their servers were in testimony under oath facing the charge of perjury said no we dont have any evidence of it at all if that was not reported widely what so ever that is one of the triggers for what weve gone through the last rina half years and i remember during the last 3 and a half years talking to people that were experts in the field and they said yeah thats probably people and it probably was a leak probably not a hack but you know we need to look at the server and now the whole basis or one of the foundations of this so its been can completely dispel and dismiss and theres no reaction to it i mean the thing was on it obviously now is on slim because its a very personal story but you know one of the whole foundations of it has been blown away and there is no introspection this is why theyre going to continue to lose ok and i think thats objective because if you cant understand your own actions and behavior how can you navigate your way through the next president ial cycle i dont think that they have the capacity to do it go ahead well you know and what the real losers are everybody in america its not just the democrats that are losing on this its when the media and even officials and government make it sound like our democracy and our nation is so weak and were so still bad American People are so dumb that we can just allow russia russia russia that would be an advertisement on facebook or you know all of these were writing things that are saying oh you know russia dead at russia debt its just making. America look very very weak it makes us look like we just you know were just built on a house of cards that are just collapsing army underneath us just because somebody put a advertisement on social media or made a bot that started spreading you know that started to amping up twitter or trans these things everybody in america lives and its not just the democrats that are losing but its all about us its just making us look like fools. And thats exactly true and again from my bar away per ive often thought about how could the strongest most powerful country in the history of the world be so very vulnerable to some teenagers in St Petersburg 300 kilometers away from me here and those those kids broke from the. Group when they were indicted by a loner and when the case went to court the mother team walked away because these kids said well you have a judicial system we understand we want discovery what do you have on us and as soon as they were asked that they closed the case because they didnt have any discovery i mean then what this says that its a. Make it what you will of democracy but its the rule of law ok because when those indictments were made i remember the reasons in comes out its a big breaking news story all the networks are covering it and it was all nonsense it was absolutely all nonsense and again how many people know that that piece was dropped no one but when it was when it was when the charges more made it was news all over the world joe so i mean finish it up you know for us me again but i guess Im Old School here i believe in some form of accountability are we going to get any good 30 seconds here the bow tie absolutely makes rules go and i say that the most complimentary of ways believe me if they are cut ok back quite well were concentrating so much on iraq. Right and then eventually impeachment as it has pertained to ukraine in january and february there were actual president ial debates a. B. C. N. B. C. C. B. S. In february only one question over hundreds of questions on coronavirus and you can hear what the democrats had to say about that so while were focusing on something that wasnt a story we missed the big story which wasnt russia it was china it was rouhani and it was the corona virus that now has wreaked havoc on this country in a way we havent seen since the great well ill end this none of them are going to say oops ok unfortunately thats all the time we have i want to thank my guests in los angeles and in new jersey and i want to thank our viewers for watching as the r. C. C. And exxon remember. It. d could. Be. Done. To the push a of a good citizen to say look no problem called the local coop i. Just look up one. Dollar a piece in the wall it shows all the stuff but dont take care of the size of the fake fixing to force you to put stinky giving but you will know its. A lot. More. Bucks if we can fit me perfectly to. The bank leave the police at the end of. This i can eat shit shit shit shit. Out of it. Just for it. Welcoming viewers from around the world live from Central London this is all to u. K. The government is on the far off to cope with 19 patients were discharged into care homes without proper testing that says the justice secretary of mits there was a focus on testing n. H. S. Staff over those working in Nursing Homes of the start of the pandemic. Some is forced to commit to an effective track and Trace Program by the 1st of june promising to put a 25000 track is in place that says the government says the Contact Tracing system will launch before the n. H. S. App is ready. The government defends its position on the Health Service search for normal. Welcomes despite calls to scrap it. Is fighting to save lives in the front line joined by the president of the partition medical association shortly. Police are accused of an overzealous use of stop and oh its such a policy says figures reveal a 45 percent increase during the Coronavirus Crisis well be hearing from a youth worker who says he was unfairly targeted. And so the British Government backs away from a pledge to remove britain full stall cladding from tele promp spa next month thats as it emerges the inquiry into the fall will not resume until july and the others will be talking to an Emergency Planning consultant. The Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition have clashed over the governments response to. In kenya homes that self to the justice secretary of mit it there was a focus song the Health Service rather than the homes at the beginning of the pandemic or take a shot it was dusty joins me with the latest here in the studio shot to follow works then in the house of commons over holmes absolutely the Prime Minister parsed johnson and opposition. Need to set kissed on the battle get out once again in the house of commons during Prime Ministers questions now so kids start accused number 10 downing street of really being ignorant to facts particularly when it comes to cat homes and testing now cat homes in general has long been the epicenter of consensus against the governments handling of the corona Virus Outbreak at the start of the pandemic Boris Johnson himself said it was highly unlikely that care homes would be affected but now of course we know that the deaths and fatalities in care homes equate to around 40 percent of the total across the United Kingdom so today so kiss dhamma really slam the government over why the care homes are still not able to access the level of testing that should be available to them. Last friday the Health Secretary said the right from the start weve tried to throw a protective roof around our care homes but caused quite a reaction yesterday it was flatly contradicted by the chief executive of care england he was giving evidence the Health Select committee. And he said we should have been focusing on care homes from the start despite that this is evidence what despite what is being said there were cases of people who either didnt have a covert status or were symptomatic or discharged into our care homes actually the number of patients discharged from hospitals into care homes was 40 percent down in march on january the guidance was changed to reflect the change in the epidemic in that gardens weve made available to caroms and of course since the care homes action plan began we have seen a Strong Production in the numbers of deaths in care homes we question was whether people were test people were tested going back into care homes already 125000 care homes staff have been tested 118000 that he didnt know that was because under 18000 care home workers have been tested now earlier today with just the secretary admitted that the government actually prioritized the n. H. S. Over the katherines particularly because of the limits of the capacity of tests. To make a choice about testing and we didnt decide to focus on the n. H. S. I think the issue with care homes is that weve got many thousands of different providers different settings. Its quite a big moment really there as his comments are one of the strongest admissions from a government minister that minute mistakes were made along the way during this corona Virus Outbreak though he did that any country across the world would no doubt look back on how theyve handled the crisis and say potentially they would have done things differently and surely the Prime Minister has been boxed into another deadline absolutely Boris Johnson had to provide some reassurances today particularly about the test track and trace strategy that the government has and an important commitment was made by the Prime Minister to get it all up and running by june the fast now Boris Johnson says the system will be world beating and involve an army of over 25000. 00 trackers but yet again sickest on the north another scaling a scathing attack against the Government Regarding the lack of this tracing system since the middle of march. Despite 2000000 tests havent been carried out theres been no effective tracing in place since march the 12th when tracy was abandoned thats nearly 10 weeks in a critical period without affecting tracing. Also a huge hole in our defenses is a Prime Minister but by the 1st of june already weve created 24000 tractors and by the 1st of june we will have a 25000 they will be capable of tracking to new contact of 10000 new cases a day so were making vast progress in testing and tracing and i had great confidence the by july 1st we will have a system that will enable us oho post very great to defeat this disease. So Boris Johnson committing to get it all in place by june the 1st but by the way that deadline date is of course the day that the government is planning to reopen some capacities for than the lockdown measures to try and ease the measures and. Really try to lift some of these lockdown measures but of course that does include the primary schools that you return and indeed some nonessential shops as well but there have been concerns from councils on north or a tease that its too soon there hasnt been enough evidence of successful test track and Trace Programs so far so how can they be expected to reopen now interestingly though there was no real mentioning off an up system which was of course one of the crucial stages of the strategy piloted in the island of white but not really had much of it across the United Kingdom of course about hancock the how of a minister he had set up and scheme more generally would be up and running by the middle of may here we are now are always hearing is that it will happen over the next few weeks now since that the Government Spokesperson has admitted that there seems to be some issues when it comes to the app but many would put that into context and question whether or not this other self imposed deadline on target by the government will really see some struggles to get to reach it. Sheriff thank you for all of that its. Politicians looking to hong kong for advice and controlling the spread of coronavirus in care homes after it recorded 0 deaths from covert 19 in its institutions the lockdown in hong kong has largely been eased after recording a total of only 4 deaths from the Virus Outbreak the region employed strict measures and treated the pandemic like sars the virus that hit it back in 2003 hong kong Nursing Homes and selves a Pandemic Response plan up to 4 times a year professor terry lum from Hong Kong University told me the reason success is down to a mixture of planning and attitudes people in kolkata are really there to interrupt you know all will be sensitive in terms of if there is a. Term of the outbreak at nearby so they would put on. To programs now so i think it really has been we learned very quickly last that looking for evidence out there are more than 60 people who are over the president and also we have a star kid on die so i think dogs from expedient are still you know im in my office a lot so peacock so once we heard that you know wow i was everything if you want to get rid of eternal. Regrets intelligence tragedy sets are out there why were sun coming to kill so you learnt a huge amount from the sars outbreak of course here the u. K. Model was based on influenza flu which has a very different then. Yes you know in each sars along to all got to begin with so when it has out great for a seat its not open it was in the hospital but where is it jumps on hospital hole so i think what we learned is that for us for iraq its and used to stop the chance we start from hospital to 2 so i was and we know the date was why what was. When we have that 1st taste in hong kong the pointy end or eternity are there so do we have to be parent to document user like that for a sound of our day gives there will be low Long Hospital we slated for our older people home so instead all that can lead to a medical need to get off by a piece of think about it weve got that to the table and down our government also allow all that up to get the case and we feel that weve seen it so these stop or transmit start for our hospital to clear on and they also get where its out to conquer our people with means in fact for him to answer it what which are the woods are like the air pressure and so that we can probably tap paysan outside outside our stories and wont tell us what we saw was there was a low outbreak and there was actually a lot. Of sunlight here Work Health Care work in hong kong too. Meanwhile the government defended its position on the n. H. S. Surcharge for non edu Foreign Workers claiming the money raises 900000000. 00 pounds for the Health Service currently known even migrants have to pay 400. 00 pounds to use the n. H. S. Despite many working for the Health Service and this figure is expected to rise in october and they the party claims that n. H. S. And care workers should be exempt given they are risking their lives fighting the coronavirus labor is hoping to make an amendment to the immigration bill that would see the abolished for n. H. S. Staff but the large tory majority means that this is unlikely to pass to discuss this further im not joined by the ordinary Vice President of the British Medical Association dr kay les cham thank you very much for being with us you can understand the armys about this but of course the feed does help to raise 900000000 pounds for the n. H. S. And the Health Service really does need this money. But whole uncreate is just look at the history of either tess and laurie from its inception in 1000 or 2 years and its just used a sensually around by people from the Foreign Countries to do it before we places and it just works in absolute absolute price in a sense we have 100000 big and suits or people in their system and 10000 doctors if we dont do good people from Foreign Countries and it just would just come to a standstill hysteria about this is the only not and let us if you look into that here forbes more so that you know what this law be absolved people are getting from either believe me there was a from Southeast Asia not because a lot of disincentives and and fear not if youre going to charge them now a lot of all this being built new being their superannuation big being actually told its so you know if you want to have some talk i would see of the last government were going to exempt them from these no solution and some solution all of the time just so this is your plea thorpey unfair when there are actually this lifes not to sit whats 400. 00 pounds is a lot of money but if you put into context then what about the cat they receive it could cost huge amount more could it not and we prowled off well in this country that and its just universal health care here anybody irrespective of these sects is you will get your reach. I dont know where this 900000000 people are comes from its about a stone some corporate and this is hardly a peanut when you have it but it all 134000000000. And im sure there are bodies on so who are these totally out of hospital. He was also looked after all sleep by. The u. S. Other countries so i think its high time they recognize the sort of missed being done to. Test by these what if theres and 400 pounds its the right doctor you say that but if youre somebody that family ought to for and this i want you must know all that is not true but its brutal become 624. 00 farms so that would mean that your family your court would end up being and if you get on 6000. 00 pounds a year and particularly the law paid jobs in the not seeing odd in the river are you so these the only thing that on 6 to call the farms so its a huge amount of money it would be thought through this incentive for people to come here and you know what were not including people who are already working here and so its a matter of survival of their test and 900000000. 00 you would think that is true is not yet or can i just quickly ask you since we have somebody with such a prestigious medical background away from the challenge what about your reaction your perception of the governments testing in tracing program id just love to know what your thoughts are on this do you have faith in it you know i dont how you see it right from the word goal initially the one that are dont do actual was yes yes yes and we found there more or less i think i have used this phrase wiped off and this government was late and it was doing too little and borstal the floor so you know we people and profession have lost trust in how the other implement this so do so and just remember this is just the hospital where you are the last week. By this we are looking down the 2nd remember we have look you see especially in 98 being the last we have 1000000000 people and in the 2nd we are. So if were not yet well then i think we have a very really bad situation and you know this is the. Best thing that we look at people are going to suggest that dr curtis chan thank you very much indeed for being with him or not he can thank you now an update on how current a virus is affecting the u. K. N. H. S. England has today reported 166 hospital fatalities in the past 24 hours the scottish 1st minister has confirmed they have been 50 deaths across all settings wells reported a further 14 Northern Ireland 5 both also across all settings the scottish 1st minister has said homelessness should remain a priority after the lockdown after extra efforts were made to temporarily hols rough sleepers when it began. Meanwhile the welsh Education Minister has ruled out schools returning on the 1st of june saying they will open when it is the right thing to do. And one of belfast longstanding golf clubs as received a boom in europe occasions after courses open for the 1st time in weeks and lets turn to the global figures now and the number of confirmed cases approaching 5000000 and this is according to Johns Hopkins university which collates worldwide data as you can see there have been more than 324000 lives lost and over 1700000 recoveries tensions have reached borning point in the chilean capital militarism to break up protests over Food Shortages and surging unemployment caused by the lock down. China has decided to reverse some of its relaxations putting a 100000000 people in the northeast region back in lockdown and some European Countries are noting rises in post knock down infections including its at least spain and germany it comes as the w. H. O. Warns europe not to underestimate the possibility of a 2nd wave. Still to come. On out to u. K. The British Government backs away from a pledge from a move grenfell stalled pledging from telescopes by next month thats as it emerges the inquiry into the fall will not resume until july be honest ill be talking to the Emergency Planning consult. Seems wrong why dont we all just dont all. Let me. Get to shape out these days become educated and in good spirit equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when shes to look for common ground. We go to work some straight home from. The world is driven by a dream shaped by our own person of those great. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Police in london have been accused of an overzealous use of stock in such power as during the coronavirus knock down here in the u. K. Over the course of last month there was a 45 percent increase in the numbers such as canada just over 20000 such as took place in april last year rising to over 300082 list for the all black people are now 4 times more likely to get stopped by police the metropolitan police says that the use of stop and search has increased but that specific groups on not being talkative. So what it was so what the new guy says she just says that was because we had it and so was the effective how would you know. Sayso lewis a youth worker from london heard here on the video he recorded says he was unfairly targeted my office is in the Capital Police pulled him over in south london as he was delivering food to a bereaved friend he says officers suspected he was carrying drugs but none were found in the vehicle. Prejudgment. Going to call it a tinted windows os where despair when its a day of good beer was put out from a side road after getting some dates in the shop to break my force because florida and me just creature so i was a criminal and you were carrying out an act of kindness youre also a respected youth worker have the police apologized now for what happened no they havent apologized in person after stopping me if youre quite the verifier who i was overseeing you see in the video im trying to hold on to account but look one of them a particular so sorry for the stereotype of me and racially profiling me as something im not and i do so much great work and if you really have done for the last 21 years and of course the police are adamant they say they are not targeting specific groups of course they are and you know this word document you just say the stats at the start of this so it is overzealous it is racial profiling is a lot like education a lack of empathy and stereotyping and youve got Police Officers that are common to these areas that not go to a relation but breaking the relations between ourselves and the police and its already broken to be honest this does nothing for us this doesnt help and i offer to train in the same to police i mean and dialogue with the met police now instead of making a Training Program a reality and get them to understand the people that theyre working with but they are attacking the black British Community based on a small minority of people of course and some issues yes we do have issues in our community and were trying to so were people are so you know it borders on money simpson so many people are trying to actually get to the crux of this issue and do the Early Intervention work thats needed. Just a final thought there do you think the police have been overzealous in general since the coronavirus bill granted them new power. As and of course the powers were unclear so these are unprecedented times there are but this is whats happening to me for 24 years in stock so with photons in all our stocks in this. Search its science now this is stock and this is known in the in the black community in our community in luton so we can come more and its something that weve had to contend with for many years but the fact that most police look shall be agents of freedom equality and justice you dont tear it out when youre in your daily work. The British Government has backed away from a deadline for the removal of grenfell star cladding from all Tall Buildings as the 3rd anniversary of the fire approaches the official inquiry blamed the flammable cladding on the town in west london for the rapid spread of the blaze in june 27th last july the Community Secretary published a written statement saying that his expectation is that building owners should complete remediation by june 2020 other than in exceptional circumstances the secretary also warned of enforcement action if the deadline is missed at the time the state was published there were 327 high rise buildings but these specific and im incompetent material planning over 40 towns were completed during the year but even more buildings with highly flammable cladding were discovered and as a result the total number of high rise buildings with grenfell style talent is 307. 00 just 20 down from last year the governor said the safety of residents is a priority but the ministry of housing says that the work takes time building owners are responsible for making their building sage remediation work takes time and must be done safely and properly how long it takes varies according to the individual building depending on the type and extent of the work required. Says the inquiry into the grenfell turn tragedy is set to resume in july at the earliest the inquiry was halted in march of as a result of the pandemic there were houses of said that the timing will depend on governments advice on social distancing measures. The panel cannot yet make any perm prediction about when it will be possible to implement limited attendance hearings as this is dependent on when and how government restrictions are lifted and Public Health considerations generally the earliest the Panel Considers it will be possible to resume hearings in july as it is likely to take up to a month to reorganize the inquirys premises in an appropriate way and to reschedule the witnesses. Well for more on this im not joined by independent foreign Emergency Planning consultant Stephen Mckenzie thanks stephen for being with us now the progress on the cladding is very concerning of course why do you think it is taking so long. Or is to ensure long because all work or no recourse against your 2 are actually can. Do they are big unfortunately it been a slow thought. Or ship we. Probably d arent Shell Companies and the trick with what we swap. The. Grain in are not good at the timing and all because were the current course. All our projects but of course we are an unprecedented times at the moment can we put any blame on this to lead to the pandemic a moment could that be part of the problem. Yes all or clark or or or or the. Or the right. Got its you cant buy stops but. But. So. A. So stephen im sorry we did have a good connection and now we pretty much lost you so thank you very much we will try and come back to our later in the day but thank you in the meantime Stephen Mckenzie and apologies for that the British Government is considering giving workers an extra day off later in the year as part of a plan to boost Domestic Tourism already ravaged by the virus lock down the proposal aims to help get the british Tourism Industry back on its feet especially of coroutine measures introduced for International Visitors Martin Andrews takes a closer look at how coronavirus has been impacting british tourism. The Coronavirus Crisis has had a devastating impact on the economy but will be felt for years if not decades to come but as some sectors begin to reopen very slowly others like tourism remain locked down having already seen the 1st half of 2020 officially cancelled this summer is looking just as our stress we have to be on it but were hoping for a quick and sharp bounce back hopefully starting with Domestic Travel and then the higher end smaller but really were looking to next year now sadly the government does plan to reopen the hospitality sector but its limited to england for now with the other home nations still telling citizens to stay home and even that its over a month away well its been tough for tourism hit hit 1st and hit how it is and most businesses have 0 cash now so what we hope this will be and thats not the timeline that we can look see how its housing the conversations start in july and you see ends and some of the attractions as well but its going to be a slow job. Time is exactly what the industry doesnt have visit britain says that the u. K. Could expect 22000000 fewer visitors in 2020 and losses of over 15000000000 pounds the sheer living areas from say ive seen cornwall to kendall in the Lake District almost deserted with Restaurants Hotels and Tourist Spots all off limits according to forecasts in the Royal Society of arts and manufacturing one in 3 jobs could be at risk those projections are of large job losses in the industry at the moment the office for National Centers this is the we have 80 percent of people working in the sector furloughed at the moment i think people have a real appetite for travelling at the moment what were going to do is make sure that we can open up as fast as possible but as safely as possible foreign holidays appear to be out of the forseeable future with borders closed to browse of a quarantine measures for travellers so local Tourist Spots do have a captive audience but the virus is still out there and a big problem could be convincing the public its safe to visit what we see where we ask people what they think about holidays people are very nervous about travelling so its not just this this is a its about stimulates him to feel that its the right since its child government loans and fellow schemes have helped to put that money wont last forever and while the beaches and landmarks themselves will enjoy or if the tourists dont return soon many of the businesses that depend on them might never reopen Martin Andrews are to u. K. London. And thats it for the moment ill have more news for you in half an hour from now. Oh busy. Ill. Go for it