Workers versions employers businesses versus the government consumers versions all of the legal aspects of the cobra 19 pandemic on this edition of. Welcome to politicking on larry king according to market watch nearly 1000 federal and state lawsuits already been filed in relation to the cole the 19 pandemic so what will Legal Protection for console or and employees look like and how will lawsuits against governments for force closings play out for analysis im joined by Vinnie Politan lean anchor for court t. V. Emmy winning legal journalist former prosecutor and he joins us from atlanta thanks very much for being with us. Larry good to see youre right Legal Protection for consumers a workers for example can a business terminate a worker when they reopen and they worker is fearful for his help and doesnt come into work this is i mean we are opening up pandoras box of issues with all of this larry this is going to be so difficult to ferret through because everyone is concerned about liability right and everyones concerned about rock and eye opening and if someones not coming in how do i get my business to run if employees more come in but the employees concerned about their own health i think were in unchartered waters here larry because Everything Else that is happening and you talk about government shutdowns emergency orders things are moving so quickly it always takes our legal system time to catch up and i dont think we know how its going to turn out i think women have these issues got to have that and we it we have no president right. Nothing there or that this is never happened before and you know business is one and and you know they want to keep their employee safe but everyones going to have a different level of sensitivity as to what is safe and what is not and thats really a question of fact right people can debate it people will not agree to it experts will disagree about whether it is or is not safe were reasonable to go back to work but thats ultimately the Legal Standard is are people acting reasonably and when youve got smart people disagreeing about what is and is not reasonable its going to end up in a lawsuit its going to end up in a court room another aspect of churches suing to be able to gather on sunday. Yes this one and that there are breaking it into the 1st amendment larry which is the ultimate lout of the land and this is this is extremely difficult because any time you infringe on a constitutional right especially number one right of freedom of religion freedom to assemble youve got to strictly construe strictly right and narrowly right any law or rule or ordinance that you are going to put out there that has to be the least restrictive possible because any infringement on a constitutional right is is crossing a line that you dont run across unless you absolutely have to do so the analysis will be was there did they did they go too far was there a way to stay safe and reasonable but still not completely block people from exercising a constitutional right again were in unchartered great area but this one im leaning a little bit more towards the constitution that i am some of these governors get a business or an individual shoot china where you can sure can you get a can you get a lawsuit can you go forward with it i think theyre going to try i think there will be lawsuits against china to 2 problems right one if you youve found a lawsuit right you try to proceed with the lawsuit but can you serve them number one can you get jurisdiction number 2 and then say that youre successful all across the border good luck collecting on it larry good luck collecting on that lawsuit so i think this is one thats a lot more for the politics and for president s and basters to kind of work things out in the courtroom i think its going to be difficult but theres going to be a groundswell for it absolutely is this. Prime opportunity for lawyers to unleash litigation. But of course of course it will happen and you know people go after the plaintiffs bar which are people at the other lawyers that you see advertising on television and they do personal injury type of work a lot of people attack them are always talking about you know without them you know the system crumbles around us the world becomes a much less safe place so yes those lawsuits will be filed the question is. Will they win will politicians attempt to block these types of lawsuits to get the economy running thats a big issue thats going to be. You know kind of tossed around and i think anytime you have politics in the law intersecting things get a little bit ugly but majority leader mcconnell says additional Coronavirus Relief legislation must include Liability Protection for businesses and hospitals 08 well i know i know laddie saying that because right now theres a lot that is unknown so if businesses are opened right and theyre trying to do or the and hospitals are doing what they can trying to serve patients and maybe we dont know whats going to happen a corner here and things go really bad in many some of the decisions made to open these things where the wrong decision whos going to be responsible you know those lawsuits will come down the road but the question is can you legislate away liability sometimes you can but it will be challenge larry has got to be a mother or a muscle who was going to be a meddling of up to 2 marys all over the place can be whilst. Its the wild wild west and know anyone that says they know its going to happen is lying to you because this is this is we dont know how this is on a turnout. Oh a Bipartisan Group of some 2000 former Justice Department officials have signed a letter calling for the attorney general william bought to resign because of his intervention in the flynn case those historic 2 already changed course on someone convicted by his own admission what do you make of that. Well this this is a a it really fascinating issue on many Different Levels but again i will just preface all this by saying when politics and the law collide it gets ugly but let me put it out this way youve got a man general flynn who wants to retract a guilty plea ok not the 1st one to do this but he must retract a guilty plea if you was in state court and you went to a court room and the defendant was to retract and the prosecution doesnt want to go forward with the case if it takes 3 minutes for the judge to dismiss everything thats not happening here thats not happening here number one because were in a federal system which is a little different than most state systems ok so the judge has the ultimate decision here but i cant imagine down the road a conviction holding up for someone who won what had to retract a guilty plea and says it was not voluntary and willful number 2 the prosecution didnt want to go forward with it which is the department of justice right and number 3 there is a potentially expulsion torrie information that was released that was not available at the time that he entered the plea so you put those together i cant that would set such a days dangerous precedent larry if the Supreme Court upheld the conviction might that then what could happen is someone could be pressured into a guilty plea lets say someone is pressured to plead guilty to murder right and its because they dont let their son there were threaten that their son was going to be prosecuted right and then it turns out that the person didnt actually died at the hands of another but the person died of Natural Causes and that information was kept from the person who pleaded guilty are you telling me that we were not that person in prison. So its it that the president is somehow dangerous i cant imagine if this thing goes up the ladder whether its 2 Appellate CourtSupreme Court review in this judge that someone who doesnt want to plead guilty and a prosecution that doesnt want to go forward and there is some evidence as potential exculpatory now has now come out i cant imagine that conviction standing up but we shall see because politics are a bath and a thing can happen Supreme Court heard arguments or news day on the trial much to loiss from has us president can he be sued can he be for sure lisas taxes they seem mixed in their questioning how do you think its going to come up. All right and theres 2 separate issues right theres a theres a congress that is trying to get a hold of some financial documents and youve got a grand jury with the new York State Attorney general doing an investigation looking for the tax returns and again looking for stuff from 3rd parties but obviously present because this is about a balance of powers and you know 2 separate branches of government and i think the Supreme Courts going to step in and ultimately say thats its a little too far congress but on the issue of the grand jury doing their investigation i think they may get to those documents but theres 2 questions with that will those will that happen before the election which may or may not happen i think theyll send it back to the state court to figure out exactly how this how this will be done but number 2 it will probably be done under seal if its the grand jury but once Something Like that is released and its under seal in the world we live in now with with President Trump and people investigating him just set the timer for how long it takes for those documents to leak and it becomes public so i think either one hand new york may be successful but will come out to the public probably not before the election the justices work by phone because of the pen demick why why why isnt the Supreme Court televised. Larry i added i wish up at the end i ask this question a lot of people is better fact the other day i spoke to our friend Jeffrey Toobin about this and he said theyre theyre just theyre just so traditional and theyre just all fashion and it takes so long for them to change i look at this is like a baby step they allowed the American Public to hear them argue law right the argument always against cameras in courtrooms in this country for states that dont allow them and there are still a few it is because of witnesses who have to testify right but in in oral arguments a Supreme Court there are no witnesses theres lawyers and justices and its and its the most its the least transparent branch of our government which to me is really sad and unless you live in washington d. C. When theyre actually in session it can take off from work and go down there and get in the front of the line you dont get to see it and thats a shame larry in the chief justice order it can absolutely. Yes and when Justice Roberts was 1st appointed i remember all of us are court t. V. Were like hey maybe things will change because maybe we think he might be a little little less sort fashion but hes been in there quite some time and i think really have to turn over another generation inside that court before it happens but that theres no reason farts are not happy larry i mean cameras they dont interfere with anything its very simple you dont need extra lights none of that would just give the American Public an opportunity to see the most Important Court in the land doing the peoples right as its court t. V. Going to pressure for it. We have in the past you know you its difficult i mean we went our land with these elaborate test i mean we covered them from start to finish each and every one of them and will continue to do it if they go live. I think were always doing that and its not just the Supreme Court federal courts larry so big cases that happen in federal courts we dont see we never see these cases any other foreign it will but its really unfortunate because its our government you know that they work for us the judges the prosecutors they all work for us yet we dont get to see them do our work vinnie youre always on the mark thanks for joining us good seeing you again great to see you larry have awesome day stay safe. Vinnie politan more politicking after this. We go to work so you straight home. Its. Easy to guess that if you skip the you because you knew you could see you could only keep so close we could feel lucky if you could. Still see. Its a clue someone is not jealous contents and should want to. Thank you sure this means for us please include this is. Just a cute name you can anything use if theres. Going to sleep lets just are you finished. To get food you got the. Money and come down you from me my siblings want to do you no more. Pleasant i dont think not. 54 jobs and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to air force base in alaska where is that to say come on ill show you. Whats the reason for any type of enhanced u. S. Military presence in this area russia. What is it suddenly about the South China Sea that makes it so that it 11000000000 barrels of oil. Take a look at this map who really owns what kind of says no it belongs to us india says no we claim that that belongs to us both of these countries have Nuclear Weapons capabilities there is reason for concern so thats why were going to drill down on the story for you today right here on the news with rick sanchez where you know as we always like to say we do believe by golly its time to do news again. Welcome back to politicking dean cain is the actor probably best known for his starring role on the t. V. Series lois and clark the new adventures of superman hes also one of the few outspoken conservatives in hollywood he is said to return as host of the show masters of illusion thats dalen its 7 season on the c. W. Network he joins us from los angeles why why for we get to the masses of why do you think youre alone what in the world of politics also in california why is well ive never claimed to be a lone voice by any stretch of the imagination its just that it seems that the louder voices from hollywood tend to be. Far to the left and i guess my point of view seems to be. Considered much farther to the right or more conservative but i dont think im one of the loans that i know so many people in california in hollywood in my business that that really. They have sort of the same political views i do sometimes though theyre a little quiet about that because there are many people in hollywood who who want to for lack of a better word blacklist the people who who with whom they dont agree politically ive never seen that before and its terrific why this happened to be a think toward President Trump in particular you know thats thats one of the Great Questions because it is speech about President Trump thats the diversity issue that really sort of sends everybody over the edge and i have sort of weighed over my head back and forth maybe because he doesnt need hollywood maybe because he comes from hollywood to some degree i dont know i dont know maybe theyre jealous of him to some degree because he changed and was a billionaire here and decided to be you know politician and be the leader of the free world i just dont know what it is but it is clearly. It is clearly happening and theres clearly a huge level of hate and vitriol that ive never seen before and never want to see again how do you think hes handled covens 19 i think the president as well uncovered 19 is anybody could have hoped to do it so its there are a lot of people he has done his presidency is marred by the the strongest opposition and i organized opposition from the Mainstream Media from democrats from former administration its frightening if the man cured cancer they would be angry at him for putting doctors our work i know thats a cliche thing to say but thats the case theyre yelling about him you know oh he didnt do enough to early enough he didnt stop flights in or he stopped flights right on time with everybody else the day after the the the w. H. O. Issued a National Global emergency i mean he has done is as good as anybody can do but hes going to be maligned by those who have an agenda to get rid. Help me with sword in his current stand is he telling us to go back dork at the same time telling us that there are enough tests for everyone does he want us to be tested before we go back to work where where does he seems opposite every other day what is there is getting here is his getting here is his scientific advice and medical advice from Health Care Professionals who arent always correct and they change their minds if you look at the guy from the u. K. Breaking his own orenstein if you look at dr file she got what was wonderful after interview i was lucky to interview when i was hosting fox and friends theyre there their information changes their guidelines changed senator rand paul had a very nice thing to say going to say with dr felt he had today which is you know everything keeps changing nobody is 100 percent correct we dont know the answers to these thanks so i think the president wants to get the economy open again because its been his signature achievement throughout his presidency one of the many signature she missed but thats the biggest is the economy and echoes back to the clinton times you know its about the economy stupid. Not how do you think the covered 19 will affect the election. Well it could do it in a couple to her waist if if people get back to work and the economy start booming again i think if it turns out to not to be this. You know 2000000. 00 People Killed in the United States turns out to be something much less than that like it is now 80000. 00 which is how horrible it turns out to be something much less and the economy gets back on track i think President Trump will win in a landslide. When hollywood starts up again or is it going to look like it all never be the same right. I think it will be the same i think will be a period where we have this idea i think it would be the same i dont think it i dont think we as human beings are meant to you know i mean my mom doesnt like shaking hands of people but thats about it she gives of the depth of the elbow i like to shake hands people i like to hug people im a touch or you know so i just cant see hollywood. I mean maybe theyll be you know itll be more accountable for the crew probably for it certainly at 1st i have seen tremendous guidelines at 1st but i think its something that you know will sort of push into the background and itll be something where you know you have to be hygenic but i dont think itll be anywhere near the things that were seeing now i really dont i think it will get back to something a year from now i think will be on set and not notice the difference and people sit close together in movie theaters i believe all of that will happen because as human beings its kind of what we do weve been through worse pandemics hopefully we will be through words again will you look at a pandemic 1950000000 we were young we were in here yes sure were yes. You got a book last but yes or no we were here but i mean the world has been so we lost 50000000 people thats terrible its terrible to lose you know this is part of what happens in the world were connected world but i think i think you know weve been through worse i really do know that as a as a species and the being the be more but i dont think things will fundamentally change im an optimist. You know you think glows unclog could have a reunion. I would love to see lois and clark air or union because we ended we ended the season without the last series without really having an ending because we were supposed to come back for a 5th year and so we ended in this weird at the weirdest cliffhanger because we were done and then terry my closer teri hatcher got pregnant and was able to sometimes a difficult pregnancy so we ended up stopping men which was which is tough because i would have like to see us have you know sort of a closing season and wrap things up a bit but right now id love to catch up with loads of clark 26 years i mean how many years almost 30 years it was great fun yes or to tell me about masters of illusion you have magicians doing their magic in front of a know it tell me about it yeah solutions so the 7th year of the show i dont know a whole lot about magic and im is in thrall and excited and in awe as anybody in our audience are magicians its a very fast paced show and average issues are amazing theyre from all over the world and they view incredible close up magic big magic illusions rather this magic is supposed to be you know its an illusion but i cant figure it out theyll do it right from my face and i cannot for the life of me figure it out drives me insane but i also get a great thrill and its just so much fun to watch 7 seasons that does really well on the c. W. End and we got it shot before the before everything closed out so we had a good number of episodes to air to the summertime lets take a look at a clip from masters of illusion. When used when you say the word magician you think male movies mable just as in most of the magicians male well it used to be the case now we have magicians that you would never expect to be magicians whether theyre women or you know people of color or whatever you know people you have a street you would expect you know you see a magician kind of think theyve got the sleeves of the stuff and the tuxedo or whatever it is David Copperfield stuff but the stuff you got the care jones you could be standing out of you know out of the street anywhere or hanging out in a. Neighborhood passport this guy pulls up close up magic you cant believe we have women from from everywhere are you know from south korea from vietnam from paris so we have we have a real nice mix of all kinds of different magicians because you know being a magician and being interested in magic is a universal thing i go around now im traveling and well when i used to travel. Anywhere poland israel somewhere and and magicians come up want to show me their magic and theyre losing theres been a couple that im like you know what we should give me your card they wont show you how they do it though right they will not show me how they do it ive caught a couple Little Things were cut oh i see what this is or see that but its only part of the trick and they dont tell me they do it i dont know how they do it because it takes such dexterity and they do it right from your face theyre never shaky theyre never nervous on t. V. Or anything and you have to do it just right and no one ever see anybody mess up the trick whats the fun of hosting the show. The fun of hosting the show for me is just watching all of this stuff close up and being awed like everybody else its kind of that way when i was doing the ripleys believe it or not is that im just like anybody else watching the show i enjoy it im a fan and i dont as amazed as anyone else i just have a just great fun and and im shocked at how they constantly come up with new stuff i figured out everything that can be done but now dean great seeing you again thanks for the time larry its a pleasure always thank you again the show is masses of illusion on the c. W. Your network find more information on the shows twitter page at c w underscore a lucia and thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my Facebook Page or tweet me at kings things and dont forget use the politicking hash tag and thats all for this edition of politicking. This is the problem in studying pandemics you dont know until you know its easier to be reactive than proactive but i hope to were entering a new renaissance here i dont think we need the morning news to show us that this is a vitally important problem. But divided the in here will ya please do you think. More of an operation in print i mean why arent some of the wealthier neighborhoods even fire more contained in the numbers are much lower than some of them are neighborhood. Star city. Anything were working with can source outside of the state because theyre just so inundated here its all. 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