Shaped across the uk economic recovery im joined by my guest Benjamin Cohen he is the director of the Free Market Institute professor of economics at Texas Tech University as well as a senior fellow with the independent institute and in los angeles we cross to he is an independent economic and geopolitical analyst as well as a former commodities trader all right gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciating lets go to los angeles 1st here i said in my introduction i guess probably the most important question there is as we come out of this pandemic and its all going to be about the economy and its everything were going to think about for the next few months if not years is about recovery so infer a very simple question will it be a v. A you or an l go ahead well weve been hit. L. Shaped depression since the 2008 financial crisis i mean only the true Economic Data on unemployment inflation g. D. P. And the like have been warped or hidden outright while the fed pumped up the stock market to give the appearance of a genuine economic recovery and weve been in a structural downturn rather than a typically cyclical recession and those arent easy to get out of all of us since february is essentially marking to market if you will of collective economic mattrick as the fake money pumping charade is being wrapped up in favor of a longer term plan monetary paradigm shift our right and i remember the last time we spoke we were talking about the turbulence in the oil market the oil price that that seems like a kindergarten play to consider considering whats going on now ben let me go to you the same question a you or d an l because that will really dictate what kind of policy is necessary to get out of this lump go ahead ben. Well i think policy has a lot to do with what type of shape it is so right now were in a platinum mine and thats because we have shut down orders that are essentially telling people not to produce so the question is when shutdown orders are lifted what does the normal Economic Activity and recovery look like and i dont think it looks like a of b. Because that wouldnt buy that were going back to the economic role we all lived in at the start of the year but the virus is still going to be with us so opening back up means taking account of that and weighing that in our economic transactions so restaurants working at half capacity or a 3rd capacity whatever customers and entrepreneurs do you say airlines that much less than capacity all of these things dont abide by bouncing back to where we were now i think whats important is that we dont have dumb Government Policies preventing Entrepreneurial Solutions that let us make our recovery as quick as we can and that stick us in how so its somewhere more like a you somewhere in between but thats really got to be for the market process to sort out you know them that seeing that cycle about the market here you know plight we have now as we speak and i think it was as of today 26000000 people over the past 5 weeks have gone on unemployment and the this is massive i mean if someone would have told me this is a scenario what it is i would have been in comprehensible to me a month and a half ago and now. What needs to be done because that these are the people that consume in the get out of a slump you need a lot of consumption and you know i know that theres been a potential aid being sent directly to individuals but it seems to be a pittance because most people will use that allowance from the government to pay off debts more than anything else than consume and ben is absolutely right i mean just because you up. The economy doesnt mean this pandemic has been completely nailed down and vanquished and i still think people will be very very hesitant to go out in public and consume even if they have the money and having the money is a big if right now go ahead by having the money and money i say increasingly in quotes i may have certain banks in the south and southeast outright revolting wanting to get back to work and trying to dilly dallying and flip flopping between supporting them versus not whereas the northeast the northwest the west where i am just diligently by the book following whatever the government mandates i mean i think theres a wider plan afoot because that mega banking and white or corporate conglomerate of stablish and swanton need them all of these Smaller Companies for instance to fail Small Businesses will soon be vacuumed up by banks they owe debt to already merged into the larger corporations under forced. Write monopolies in each industry its a repeat essential of the consolidations which took place 12 years ago only on a larger scale so these banks these mega banks for instance j. P. Morgan wells fargo b. Of a theyre being sued in class action tellingly for funding larger Small Businesses then smaller businesses with this Paycheck Protection Program p. P. P. Before that 350000000000. 00 in federal funds ran out why has the smallest Small Businesses dont pay these banks as much in fees as the larger Small Businesses quote unquote this is yet another unsustainable contradiction in the modern Economic System where clear socialistic government handouts are nonetheless being prioritized through private institutions foremost by their profit motives i mean all this stuff begs deeper questions yeah its a man and you know i hear only a lot about. Democratic socialism and all that and i lived in Eastern Europe during communism i know what thats about ok so i dont really want to go that direction you know but the interesting thing is here banks are picking winners ok i mean it is very socialistic in that way because its not the its not the market picking winners its individuals with their very specific interests in mind that course that is profit here and being the big supporter of entrepreneurship and small and medium sized businesses because as a conservative that is the very raw base of a Civil Society and im terrified to see these unemployment numbers and im terrified to see these Small Businesses go out of go out when fail and this consolidation here more inequality we dont need to go in this direction what policy would you suggest to avoid that because it may be even too late for so many of these businesses go ahead ben. So lets bring it back i dont think we have a consumption problem what we have is a supply problem where people have been ordered to stop supplying things to the market to cease work and thats where unemployment spike comes from and thats the heart of all of our problems including the Small Businesses because i agree completely its a travesty whats being done to them right now but rather than government bailouts for businesses what we need is to be entrepreneurs including and especially the small entrepreneurs to figure out how they can best serve consumers and who want to do that and then and of course the banks if the banks are avoiding them letting them just. Just fade away i mean how do we take the banks out of this because theyre the ones that are calling the shots go ahead. But we stop borrowing government money through these banks to do it and instead of our banks to get it wares and losers based on profit and loss and the problem is when you socialize losses through or through the government its ceased being a profit and loss estimate reallocates resources efficiently so government i think is gumming up the works in this process now we need to get back to business as usual in order to go hard and that will mean some bankruptcies both the small and large firms the key is that you want to collect the labor and Capital Market to reallocate those assets to where they can best serve consumers as quickly as possible. But i but you know you know in looking at this entire saga over the last few weeks in i think its absolutely shameful that Congress Goes on vacation you know will come back when theres an emergency that theres 26000000 emergencies out there right now ok i mean they were very quick to pad their own pockets and their friends and their special interests here and now theyre still grieve thinking about how to continue dealing with the other parts of the economy what were talking about small and medium sized businesses they dont to seem to feel the fire on their under their feet to deal with that they took care of their friends and themselves right off the bat like in 2008. Yeah i mean its 2008 and in a certain sense it was just kind of like a dry run of sorts for this multiple and all means and forms of what happened then you have to consider since 2008 i mean the money that the fed i mean the fed drove Something Like 93 percent of the stock market run since the 2008 financial crisis meanwhile realign employment was in double digits real inflation was much higher than what they stated that it was real g. D. P. Which is much lower than it was you know its lies damn lies and statistics as the trite phrase at this point goes by do you know just since february again you know flipping the switch off in the living room thats the equivalent of what the. What the powers that be have done essentially to. The economy so theyre no more corporate stock buybacks as of this point after februarys lockdowns so expect further eventual hemorrhaging within the stock market this is all meant to further benefit the ruling transatlantic alit which thinks in terms of app extend plans accordingly its aimed partly to call a portion of the population while conditioning the yearning for the non means tested kweisi universal basic and come via Digital Currencies for the millions of unemployed who fall into destitution. Cashless society is planned which has been sop for for years if you think about it by transnational banks the i. M. F. That b. A. s in switzerland is maggette institutions will be and should theyll be introducing a Cashless Society after the modern dollars reserve status and the currency collapses under aggressive inflation and mass treasury bond dumping globally which is already in procession i mean before this corona virus pandemic hit us private debt was over 150 percent of g. D. P. With corporate debt being like 73 percent and finance generally was like at 350 percent of g. D. P. Completely brittle. Sustainable system we had were most dad at this point will be non serviceable under a depression triggered by stay at home orders so homelessness will spike even further as will infrastructure decay plagues crime and public riots anarchy and Small Businesses again going away near entirely it may sound extreme but if if you were to say that there would be lockdown orders and nobody would be able to go to work let alone to their family members 3 months ago that would have sounded extreme well ok benjamin yeah i saw it made good news were doing it on sky because i can see your expression go ahead and jump in reply go ahead yeah i mean that was a mouthful. I dont share these big pessimistic. Assumptions about how things are going to go hard i mean i do think its policy contingent and i agree with you completely that this this shutdown water was like a light switch shutting off the economy or a large chunks of it thats detrimental to all of us but i think turning the light switch back on doesnt throw the power back on the way it wasnt january but our trip earner is through this process begun small banks big and small will figure out the ways to serve consumers and bring supply to market as long as government doesnt get in the way the market process i think was recovering relatively well post i was the Great Recession i agree completely there was crony bailouts during the Great Recession for those political elites and those connected but thats largely washed out of the system now were going to our other productive way and thats what i expect to happen if we go back to make up you know are going to just if you have to go to a heartbreak and after that heart break will continue our discussion and economic recovery statement. 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Ok im going to go back to you because i think you know done a number of programs on this particular topic just looking at it from different trajectories and i think one of the most the probably the most common denominator in all of these programs ive been doing on this topic is that it is the government doing too little or is it doing too much. Ok the end it seems to me that everybody has a very strong opinion about that we can all use the same numbers and we can you know look at unemployment we can look at debt but then its always not you know that tool box that the government has only doing enough are they doing too little go ahead. Thats an excellent question a really. Points to other questions over the role of government and you know these these pillars ideological pillars over the past 200 years of communism socialism and corporate capitalism market fundamentalism what is the meaning there of you know the february shutdown. Is just a rapid bringing up to pace of you know really these questions over the role of government because that government more or less hand in hand with that with private institutions like blackrock or pimco. You know married to the treasury and the fed are essentially dictating everything not just geo economics but politics domestically than geopolitics if you think about it but under the auspices of this of this pandemic of this massive crisis or as its just you know really piecemealing of its role prior crisis not again and prior to the 2008 financial crisis crisis the 2000 dot com burst you know and greenspans role and hike you know dropping Interest Rates artificially and aggressively you know void deflation its like what is socialism versus a genuine market fundamentalism in genuine free market capitalism when you have this quote unquote free hand free hand in the market not being so free and basically dictating so much if anything february showed overtly the very you know socialistic direct involvement of central banking and hybrid public and Private Banking and dictating the mors of our existence to our i dont care how efficient you run your company youre only 20 people i mean youre literally being put to the back of the line versus she you know shake shack for instance which you know is still making money is still bringing in revenue whether takeout or otherwise and yet you know they get pushed to the front of the line because a relationships column crony esther otherwise but its like wheres free market versus where its not its you know its all met to synthesise towards further hybridisation of what we would know classically as market fundamentalism versus just straight up you know giving 2000. 00 a month to folks that are destitute and or sick and not putting in them into poverty traps where the same time questionably limiting them from all of a sudden wanting to become entrepreneurial wanting to become elon musk wanting to learn. In advance these are bigger questions that are just being brushed to the sidelines because again you dont want to get sick and ill and die so those its like theres purposeful confusion so that people arent able to think lucidly and rely further and further emotionally and psychically on government which transcends issues involving classical ideological definitions. Yeah i mean in the at me in said yes it makes you kind of request question again so many assumptions here you know ben you know the thought of just sending out checks to individuals you know 1500 dollars and you know 2500. 00 for a family i mean if someone suggested that to me to with a 2 or 3 months ago my instinct would be in no i mean use the tax code ok giving money is something i dont really like doing now ive had a conversion because i see all of these people massive number of people a growing number of people they need cash in their pocket just to reboot even if its a one time thing which i still think is very small here i mean im just trying to point out how i have changed during this crisis because something that i would have not would have been very not agreeable with now im thinking you need to do more of it because you know we improve getting revoked when we have to get on the right foot instead of having an elbow or him probably be a you but its certainly not going to be a v. Its certainly not going to be a be a people cant consume go ahead ben well its certainly not going to be if they cant produce so this cash handouts youve got to remember its government has ordered people not to work so big sound out of your your on this might be changing from before just giving a cash handout when the governments actually doing the harm to the people but of course the government has no money of its own it has to take it from somebody else somewhere else either through inflation taxing or borrowing and were seeing with this happening with borrowing now i think your question of is the government doing too much or too little it has been doing too much and for too on in too many important sectors particularly as it relates to this crisis the Health Care Sector is one of the least market oriented sectors in the us economy is heavily regulated and weve seen regulatory failures on that. Whether its the c. D. C. Claiming a monopoly on having tests and then botching the. Besting that puts the u. S. A month or so behind where it should have been or what we are sitting is some government regulations being rolled back now to allow more market force in healthcare and i think thats a good thing whether its some relaxation is an speedier rule by the food and Drug Administration whether it is this regulations that are being rolled back and practicing tele medicines or not as many people have to go to Emergency Rooms whether its relaxing of occupational license or was medical licensing so doctors can practice across state lines i think these are things that make our health these regulations that were in place make our Health System less flexible and able to deal with Something Like this and that some of these temper rollbacks need to be made permanent so that we can on a greater Market Forces of health care not meanwhile other policies go in the exact opposite direction President Trump is right now looking at signing an executive order to see saw immigration for 60 days where you know almost a 3rd of positions in the United States are foreign born and they are much smarter policy to would be issue a lot more visas to any foreign born doctors or Health Care Workers and waive our licensing laws so that there arent credentials and allow them to practice things like this didnt introduce markets into the sector where we need it most reduce governments role expand markets i think would make us all a lot better off the airline and i think the in the in the immigration ban was very poorly thought out i mean they particularly did too and now 3 different versions that have come out since then again very very murky and it that i dont think it is a last leadership have to say the truth if its true. You know weve already mentioned 2002009 now were here i mean one of the structural inefficiencies that we have to deal with because when you just think about i mean we all remember 2002009 that was a pretty horrific experience and it was something wed never seen before that were seeing a repeat in a different way. And all the job gains have been lost since 2009 and gone now its that thats hard to conceive ok and i see one of the things i favor very disturbing is and you know theres this glorification of the stock markets and indices and all that i mean i think it was 2 weeks ago when they had 20000000 unemployed and then but look how beautiful those markets are there is some weird disconnect there i mean particularly when people are looking at their own lines and there are most of our not participating in any of these markets stock markets at all and you say you see Corporate Media you know they glorify the president jumpers and that was his you know signature thing look at the markets well he cant do that anymore i mean what is the disconnect there because what is the markets have to do with average people anymore go ahead. Really quickly and address your other guests point you know everyone can through regardless of state regardless of subculture region everyone could abide by precisely what the c. D. C. The who the government is stating and completely self koren teen and you wonder if there will be a quote unquote 2nd phase of this illness out in the fall or winter practically being promised by the folks that are put in charge here the language that theyre using really further. Raise question marks over is this thing actually beatable is it in fact prescribe in certain senses to address your points. That you know agree for the most part there are over 5000 federally insured banks and savings associations in the United States yet the 5 largest banks matter most obviously in terms of both the fed and treasuries policies as well as and how skyrocketing systemic risks are concerned and viewed theres vastly higher leverage now certainly than in 2008 and yet the government has tactically shut down the economy seemingly because of a very aggressive newly concocted flu virus citi group j. P. Morgan Morgan Stanley b. Of a Goldman Sachs per the comptroller of the currency i want you to know this 8 years and 2019 each of these 5 mega banks held Something Else like at least 30 trillion of notional derivatives each representing 83 percent of all banking derivatives this is a fiscal powder keg i mean the owning powers behind these banks and thats essentially National Central banks are pulling the plug now performing a controlled demolition if you will of unsalvageable debt and it fizzes and other structures in this wider Economic System the fed already pumped over 9 trillion into this broken repo market since september 17th i think of 2009 big banks will get another 4 and a half trillion in bailouts due to this shutdowns of facts means main street. Meanwhile will get a 4 sickle fraction of this the same as 12 years ago as far as patterns are concerned i. E. A massive further wealth transfer taking place to a small elite in route to collapsing the system to erect a new post debt jubilee written and rewritten and wire meant with an entirely new Monetary System but it but that that is not politically viable ok i mean that is completely divorced of the life of everyday people and i see a little bit who want equality and lets go to let me go to bed and go ahead rapidly running out of time go ahead. Peter then ill make this rap but theres a. Simpler explanation for the phenomenon that youre pointing out of stock market and labor market looking different and thats the stock markets forward looking at who thinking about what the future stream of income is going to be from all of this business the current labor market the jobs havent disappeared people have just been told youre not allowed to do that thats where the unemployment is so as soon as the government starts saying youre not allowed to do them a lot of these jobs reappear not all like i said were not in to be going back to january but a lot of them reappear and thats why stock market looks better than labor market in response to shut down what well wait and what did the months unwelcoming on stay with been here we have a guy coming another minute here what are the Lessons Learned i know thats a big question for a small amount of time but i mean what when we when we learned so far in approaching this recovery go ahead ben well i dont know if politicians have learned a heck of a lot but they know that were starting to get really upset with the force shutdown and the lack of a normal everyday american and your mom and retailers to go out and earn a living hopefully they will learn that if they freak people out that these normal businesses will find their own Creative Solutions to go back to business and serve each other in this new environment. I certainly hope so amen gentlemen thats all the time we have i want to thank my guests and let me end in los angeles and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember. This is a story about what happens auster a stray bullet kills a young girl in the streets. What happens to her family and daughters in florida the other daughter is buried in a cemetery meaning this is with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the Police Needed a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pen this than him and what happens in court be. Shocked shocked as far. As i feel. We dont know just from. The end of this trial unfortunately you. Will still not know. This is r t u k were live from Central London welcome to our viewers from around the world and were just waiting for todays Coronavirus Press conference given by grant shapps the u. K. s transport minister but in the meantime our other headlines this hour. The u. K. s chief medical officer warns that the current peak of coronavirus could be artificial as the governments flagship coated 19 testing website shuts down hours after opening as wales followed scotland with a lock down exit plan. A stark difference in virus death rates between Northern Ireland of the republic leads to questions about the u. K. s approach will be talking to a doctor based in the north. As the months of fasting and prayer known as ramadan starts muslim communities around the world find themselves unable to assemble in mosques shut done by the pandemic we hear. The u. K. Governments coronavirus testing site shuts down within a few hours of opening as the chief medical officer warns of a 2nd or even 3rd peak thats the welshman is to follow scotland by proposing a lot down exit strategies despite westminster still refusing to reveal nationwide planning and now. Lets cross live to the u. K. Press conference is just beginning in downing street. Good afternoon and welcome to days downing street press Conference Im pleased to be joined today by dr jenny harris. Before i talk about the latest steps were taking to defeat the corona virus and let me update you on the latest information from the cobra data file i can report through the governments monitoring and Testing Program that as of today 6612031 tests the coronavirus have now been carried out in the u. K. Including 28532 tests yesterday 143400 64 people have tested positive thats an increase of 5386 cases since yesterday 17049 people the currently in hospital with coronavirus in the u. K. Thats down from 17615 the day before and down 10 percent on the same day last week and sadly. Of those in hospital with the virus 19506. 00 have now died thats an increase of 684. 00 fatalities since yesterday we express our condolences to the families the friends must not forget that each of these districts represents a personal tragedy. Despite the continued challenges ahead as we prepare for the next stage in our battle to beat this pandemic there are tentative signs were making progress the main reason is the way britain has responded to the guidance to stay at home and maintain social distancing of the past few weeks by respecting these measures the whole country is slowing the spread of the virus by avoiding public transport or freeing up space for critical workers who rely on buses and trains to travel safely the continued cooperation of both passenger operations of both passenger and freight transport is critically important to our resilience as a country so today im announcing a new package of measures to ensure transport boosts our National Response to covert 19 1st we are announcing a far reaching package to safeguard the flow of essential goods into and across our country i can announce the government has secured a trilateral agreement along with french and irish governments. Well that was transport secretary grant shapps giving the u. K. s daily Coronavirus Press conference on easterly is me is with me now say isa that was the chief medical officer what did you then have to say well he was of course updating the country on the latest with regard to corona virus going through the latest figures for the god soon factions and deaths and this week weve seen the government announcing a number of measures with regard to testing but also weve seen ministers discussing their feelings that the country has reached the peak of this kind of it 19 pandemic however today in front of m. P. s the chief medical officer chris witty said that in his opinion just a long way to go before we can declare whether the country has reached a peak. In that you understand with this epidemic is firstly that were going through at the moment is an issue of the almost same everywhere as a result of what people did in terms of d starting with all these various measures i was d talking about now yesterday the Health Secretary outlined a number of measures the government were undertaking to increase testing of frontline n. H. S. Staff and those working and living with them in the same households we can make it easier faster and simpler for any essential worker in england who needs a test to get a test from today employers of essential workers who will be will be able to go on gov dot u. K. To get a test for any of their staff who need to tasks and from tomorrow any essential workers who need a tast will be able to book an appointment on gov dot u. K. Themselves directly. This is all prize for people in essential workers households too who need a tast its all part of getting britain back on her feet but the website that was set up to administer the overlook the testing was already closed down this morning home testing kits had gone live at 8 am theyd run out at 830 only 30 minutes later and that website was closed at 10 am and that led to the department of health and social care issuing an apology to those n. H. S. Workers who wants to access those testing kits for any inconvenience of course now when it comes to p. P. A. We know that over the weekend there were a number of issues with regards to shipment of kits coming in from abroad and one shipment that came in from turkey only had 32000 gallons thats understood only be enough to last stuff for several hours the shipment was conspired to contain 400000 gallons so. Less than 10 percent actually of what was supposed to be there was in that shipment 84. 00 tons of protective equipment was also supposed to be in that shipment the government did say however that another 140000 gallons had made its way in to the country from them but clearly staff still needing more and more of that farts or people you wouldnt and they were thats all about p. P. A. The neysa but what about the plans then eventually to ease the lock down in trans and how they do it well we saw yesterday the Scottish Government announcing their plan for an exit strategy well today it was the turn of wales the welsh 1st minister announcing that the country would also hope to ease restrictions but only if a number of criteria were met 1st. It then sets out the 7 questions we will use when we consider each option for relaxing restrictions would easing a restriction have a negative effect on containing the virus does a particular measure pose a lower risk of further infection how can it be monitored and enforced can it be reversed quickly if it creates an intended consequences does it have a positive economic benefit does it have a positive impact on peoples well being and importantly does it have a positive impact on equality. Now we know that the government of come in for some criticism for how theyve handled this crisis but the cord into one youve got paul the Prime Minister at least still retains the majority of the Publics Trust 51 percent say they trust how Boris Johnson is handling this crisis thats compared to only 25 percent he trusts kiss thomas the case on the new labor leader when it comes to however the most trusted person in the country thats the chief medical officer chris with chief however when it comes to trust in the media its a different story only 24 percent of the public trust us the few journalists but its even worse for the print media only 17 percent of respondents trust those who work in the print media side of the papers and so on versus 72 percent who dont so clearly there are trust issues with how the b. D. A. Have been covering this crisis data has been under fire always thank you very much indeed. Well meanwhile different approaches to fighting coronavirus on the island of island are likely to have led to widely varying death rates between the north and the republic thats according to data compiled by Queens University in belfast well so far the republic of ireland has recorded over 17 and a half 1000 cases with just under 800 deaths Northern Ireland which has about a 3rd of the overall population has recorded and 2000 cases and 200 76. 00 deaths but when the difference in population is taken into account Northern Irelands death rate is much higher 87. 00 per 1000000 people compared with the republics 59. 00 and only including those whove died in hospital Northern Ireland registered 115. 00 deaths compared to the republic 71 last month irish Prime Minister lee over at co said he discussed a one island approach to combating the virus with Boris Johnson. The government has to make their own decisions and take the voice of their medical experts and their scientists the situation is different in Different Countries the circular i spoke of by mr johnson we. Bring his attention to the Northern Ireland. Peace are one of. Many ways what it thought. Hed received sight read him those trying to coordinate the much possible. But Northern Irelands approach to the virus has been more in step with the rest of the u. K. Was dublin introducing measures more quickly the republic closed its schools and banned Mass Gatherings on march the 12th while Northern Ireland waited until march the 18th dublin also enforced it shut down on march the fifteens but the u. K. Didnt begin its lockdown until almost a week later while the north testing for the virus has also been more restrained unlike the republic which has engaged in Community Testing and contact tracing. Well for more on the islands contrasting approach to the virus and base by dairy based on a county dr kelly thank you for joining us dublin does seem to have got things right certainly more so the response to good afternoon theres certainly been a different approach and all the we have been following what the u. K. Government. And the republic of ireland more proactive was much more testing contact and trade testing and posing in an earlier iraq dime and critically for ireland the imports that crowd to sympatric stay which is a major celebration of the island of ireland. But even in Northern Ireland there were areas around the border the actually close something isnt much earlier so where ive been working as a porter time and prior some crap youve stated is shock that ours on the restaurants and i think were seeing out of totally its some less some more reduced levels of corporate 19. Would have had to dub and it also gave them more track and trace something that the u. K. Is i mean our country catching up with us and i think that is correct and certainly the statistic showing a higher death rate not out of them is probably not surprising at this stage what will be extremely interesting is to see how this develops and i know d we are still in the early days of dealing with this calmed down like but it will be interesting to see when d we get through this the differences at that stage they demean should skyland have had an all ireland approach something that perhaps never occurred suggested. That it would have been very logical viruses as with my 900 barrels does not recognize a bottom 3 order see. It is disappointing that there hasnt been on. Or poorly if prochoice there was a memorandum of understanding but that was only signed earlier this month i think there are also strains within the northern d ireland exactly death with the unionist parties favoring following the United Kingdom approach where as a nationalist parties a certain wanting to follow the approach of the republic of ireland. Our Health Minister and part of the health are somewhat stuck in the middle of the us and its a political tensions getting in the way there but Going Forward should the restrictions be lifted in line with london or dublin do you think. My feeling is that we need to be in discussions very closely with the republic of our because we are an actual island we share a lot on board d with the republic of ireland and that makes sense that policies are developed on all sides for the betterment of our patients of both sides of the or state and they view that dr john r. Kelly thank you very much indeed for talking to us. Still to come this hour. Muslims around the world celebrate the holy month of ramadan in isolation and we hear from a mom. In the coronavirus lowdown could send universities into financial ruin. I mean any friend of his son was that once you got infected then youd get a nice one for any response and so that could go softly protects you against reinfection or not was fine with this new crown of ours is that its a very cold case a tracing in many patients who get mild disease any antibodies. Seem wrong. Just dont call. Me. Yet to shape out these days to come to cancer. And in again from an equal betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart and we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back muslims around the world will be celebrating the holy month of ramadan in isolation with most mosque close and religious Services Suspended muslims are unable to participate in traditional mass prayers. What i guess if told us how typical ramadan practices subpoenaed outage during the pandemic this is the 1st day of a ramadan that is unlike any other unlike anything that muslims expected this is a very difficult time of ramadan and the lockdown jennas hoti with public gatherings bands during ramadan including communal prayers speeches and so on remember to continue your prayers and devotions in self isolation you might think that ramadan is an individual thing that you could be fast by yourself at 0 but in fact ramadan is its a very social thing theres a huge aspect of it that is community that is social that is your neighbors and your family for example families wake up together to pray in the morning to eat before a very difficult day at the end of that day they get together with the entire communities entire towns and they celebrate they eat they pray they they they said this is you know a long and difficult a hungry day food at last people have been deprived the social aspect for now and theres also a whole host of things the things that muslims stay away from so for the to the generation of the thoughts while the sun is up people refrain from and to de mint various forms of entertainment and on top of that there is all the of the challenges theres the quarantine. Millions of people who dont have enough money who dont live in a country where the government can give them money to stay in self isolation for a month people facing very difficult challenges we must accept ramadan as a test sent to us by allah we lived and sometimes forgot about who Gave Us Health life well being and work today there is an opportunity to think to look at the past and into the future again muslims are a quarter of the worlds population and for the next month many of them will be exhausted as a whole host of medical arguments here to be made whether whether you know some people should be exempt others should and they are they are religious leaders and leaders of muslim nations are exempting nurses for example medical staff doctors from the thoughts because theyre working in incredibly stressful conditions especially now theyre wearing full personal Protection Equipment it is very difficult work they have no room to sarah no room to make mistakes and theyre being exempt from the fast if a doctor asks a person not to fast as it might affect his immunity then the person has the right not to fostering ramadan workers in the Health Sector also have the islamic right to choose not to fostering their rock days obviously muslims around the world the voice that they will abide by this one of the 5 pillars of islam the month of ramadan but this is going to be a very different and a very difficult month for many well for more on this and im joined by in on a side some thank you very much indeed for joining us this afternoon lets look then at the religious practices i mean which religious practices cheering ramadan could leave people vulnerable to coronavirus. Well it certainly if a mosque were opened and there was no social distancing and all of that cost could leave them under but most of closed people a lot you know in their homes or in this lockdown and that full day to really make sure as we normally do anyway its not as a result of kind of yes we wash our hands regularly id be even outside ramadan im washing my hands about 15 times a day now im watching it maybe over 20 times a day but certainly within the home. Tens of. I think it would be pretty be any. Sort of communities we have we live in extended families and because we live in extended families generally speaking although i dont have any elderly person him myself you could include that but because of that yes the elderly over 60 fives are more. Prone to cast this disease and therefore yes you know they could be more wonderful to it and therefore keep them in isolation away from children and others katie is an important thing to do indeed and also as we had in the package that is also a consideration when it comes to fighting during particularly a pandemic not any undereating and dehydration could we could maybe in system but people dont have to do it do they. Were facing as a whole a few theres tons of videos done by specialist on muslim specialist on the impact of fasting on the human body and we find that actually immune system gets boosted during fast as well as the detox define your party and you know that other many other Health Benefits as well so yes certainly you must make sure when youre starting that fast your foot you know you have enough water to drink and have complex carbohydrates to eat at that time so that you have a slow release of energy into your body and it when youre breaking your fast again to have the right sort of food that gives you energy so fast it south is not going to weaken the body you know its a virus immune system is concerned but said if there are individuals who the doctors would their g. P. Perhaps would advise not to fast then well theres a very simple principle it is them that do not harm yourself and do not harm others the whole purpose of fasting is that it benefits a spiritually and physically and if theres going to hamas in any way then yes the exemptions are already then place to go off and they just recessions weve been hearing as well highlights ethnic minorities are what seems to be an easy target for the virus doesnt. Good reason that its. Because we have extend some days we dont like to throw out you know a grand parents and grandparents until peoples arms and Nursing Homes we look after them ourselves and of course in these circumstances then you know they are all of under will as we know it is the late 27 percent of the population is over 65. 00 and thats one of the reasons why that at such a high level of. Death rate that and so yes if we do have elderly people especially within the within our homes and we need to be very careful also of course those who for whom english is still not that they have there that is not their 1st language they need to be enough messaging on it through the medium that they watch which was maybe in their own sort of languages so there needs to be enough messaging there to help them understand that you know they need to be very careful about social distancing about like in high communication is the key there is an amount thats the whole point isnt there right or indeed that that communication is there. Generally speaking you know we need a program to look after our bodies in the best way we can through our face this this body is a gift from god is a trust from god and therefore we must do all we can to protect it from any harm and it will leave it that assads on thank you very much indeed for joining us youre most welcome thank you. And we want the coronavirus pandemic has hit University Campuses as a report warns of financial catastrophe if students stay away the university and College Union says institutions could lose up to 2500000000 pounds in fees alone next year a government backed initiative to limit student numbers hype to spread intake across universities preventing a huge slump in demand but the report warns this could be ineffective applications for even further it comes as some not down institutions continue to challenge remaining students rent despite facilities being closed but as antti u. K. Shot to address dashti has been finding out some are now refusing to pay. Universities up and down the country would normally be very busy especially considering that the final is just kicking off but amid the Coronavirus Crisis the change of scenery couldnt be starker when knocked down began thousands of students jumped on the fast train back home to their parents but many are still left cooped up inside their halls of residence with universities still demanding they cough up bryant many are now refusing theres no purpose for the us to be on campus and universities in the starters so youre paying a full rent which you would pay for everything to be a joke but nothings available and in a time where most students are 0 contracts and theyve lost their jobs now on the radio for duran they using all of their Student Loans they got no money for food or drink George Graham a tailor is a 1st year law undergraduate at the university of sussex who lost his job in a bar and is now relying on dribbling savings to survive and he isnt alone people whove lost jobs under the law and will not. Students. But many students including international ones are trapped in single rooms on campus and most cant return home because that would flout the governments lockdown measures and ive also got asked so i have im part of shielding advice so for me ive got this issue of contention of by financially i can actually afford the rent so i could either risk being financially in trouble or i could risk breaking the law to create a virus spill and also risking my health your policies are encouraging. Students to gridlocked on and it is a Public Health problem some universities have allowed students who have left campus to cancel their contracts or receive concessions on their rent and those left behind say the policy is grossly unfair although theyre physically not used in the very best occupied with their items so what is the difference why are we. University because of government legislation and we have to pay full price for people who left before the 27th but all their stuff is still here they get they dont or they dont pay a penny we do appreciate this is an extremely unsettling time for us students on campus and we wish that time at sussex could be different we hope that our students know we will continue to do everything we can to respond to their needs its not just about money without experts warning that the covert 19 pandemic could have profound and potentially huge impact on Mental Health students who are left in the dark could be the west head those extremists live and. Im not seeing a doctor im seeing anyone from there going on 6 weeks ive seen friends for 6 weeks my room is maybe 3 or 4 metres long and looked to me as wide and i was like extend my life a law students i do worry for the ones who are in a hole was completed by themselves elsewhere those withholding payments have got results the university of london changed its policy so students no longer have to pay rent and can keep their belongings in storage for 25. 00 pounds a week while other universities including nukes have also taken some action as part of our plan to support students through covert 19 like us the university has taken the decision to offer reduced accommodation fees to many of our students and University Managed accommodation this term we appreciate this is a very challenging time for our community and we hope our decision to waive accommodation payments helps ease the financial burden for our students but for some that simply doesnt go far enough people have to 25 percent of that is very tempting for people to do that up and stand up for them to pay that. 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