A candidate that went against everything that he stood for and now hes done that again so i think in the same were all the progressive us would probably try to vote 3rd party of course not living in the same world as many recent events have made clear but yeah biden is not going to excite the progressive vote i think a lot of people stay home and i think a lot of people will vote for the apartments. Ok well richard how how is will a job i can reach out to be aggressive in any meaningful way because i have to agree with how and i mean bernie was on some not late night cop show when he was asked a very important question do you think joe can win and he said yes and then ever all of us are saying why are you ronnie ok you know what was the last 4 years all about what was the last election all about because i would contend and i think you would probably agree with me that hes going to need a lot of progressives to cross to you know get over the line to win because the party is very fractured so the same question i mean is joe going to give them anything because i see a lot of anger on the part of bernie supporters and nks against bernie himself go ahead richard. So lets talk about this through the prism of issues Bernie Sanders is perfectly in favor of habeas many people have health care as possible job i was instrumental as an aside when we got the Affordable Care act passed donald trump is in court today trying to strip tens of millions of people coverage who it creates this in condition so with progressives really care about issues like who has health care and who doesnt this is not a close call lets take Climate Change as an example barack obama and joe biden push very progressive Climate Change proposals having to do with the Power Industry and others and sign on to the paris climate deal donald trump says the Climate Change is a hoax so if progressives these people who backed Bernie Sanders really care about addressing Climate Change this existential threat this is not a close call you go issue by issue lets take gun violence barack obama and joe biden have pushed ways in which we should limit access to guns not interfering with the 2nd amendment god forbid but making sure that we reduce gun violence double trouble things we should do nothing other than get his guns in as many hands as possible so progressive presumably care about that too so you go issue by issue peter and this is not actually a close call in 2016 these people who were people who either voted for trump or voted 3rd party thought at what differences may respond when we now know with the implications of don trip when you get are so people who supported parties or if they really care about the future of the country and the issues this is not a close call. Well ok but i think you know again if you look at the complexity of the Democratic Party what it what it because now that joe wants to embrace the obama legacy well what about those 5500000 people that were thrown out of their homes when barack obama saved the banks so youd wall street in and main street in people when homeless ok if that is at the normal we want to go back to because i dont see much of the legacy of barack obama that is all about appealing he sold out to the banks and big and to special interests like they always do when they get into power donald trump is doing the same thing dont misunderstand me ok but how and i mean you know richards got a point on some of those points right there but theres a fundamental difference is that the needs of workers particularly right now who is losing their home their health care its not because of donald trump per se its because millions and millions of people are losing their jobs ok thats what that that is ok i think that for a lot of people joe biden is a retread that was very unimpressive and i think here and heres my question to you and i think the democrats did you know we hugely disservice by having such a. An interesting lackluster primary job was never even challenged on his record ok what did he particularly of all those debates he hardly had to defend his his record because nobody would go there because of democratic orthodoxies ok because when he comes up against trump trump is going to go for an animal on him weve already seen the ads go ahead and now and go to new york yet theyre basically counting on people having this sort of haziness style just in the obama era where nobody really remembers what happened in the obamacare which was as you said of massive think theyll out millions of people being thrown out of their homes the Affordable Care act which was supposed to provide universal health care was actually going to lead to the Insurance Industry has insurance premiums have gone up since then well not a lot especially when the individual mandate made it so that people you had to pay for insurance or you got. Tax penalty so that wasnt a good thing for the very very many poor people who still have health care and now at least the individual mandate this gone so people can and who cant afford health care and who make too much to get on the medicare plans but dont make enough to actually be able to afford Quality Health care those people were out of luck and theyre still going to be out of luck because biden has said hell veto medicare for all so i mean the people who dont really remember the obama era very well might get excited about joe biden and as you said the democrats didnt challenge him on his record at all because theyre hoping that those people dont remember the obama years very well and its counting on peoples amnesia is really a poor strategy for running a Winning Campaign i mean the only thing that i can think of if theyre going to try to make it all about the v. P. And then biden just kind of change into the background and whether they pick the 2nd in command completely circumventing the voters which is were already hearing so much hype about people like stacy abrams who hasnt won any election in 10 kilometers who of course voters proved early on that they didnt like and that was fortunate khabar took her out on the debate stage but nobody got a chance to take i think his promise it wouldnt do it so i dont know that i think the democrats might have realized they can live with another term of donald trump because he hasnt you know and in any war and he hasnt stopped giving out money to donors who are also democrats which dont start a lot i think to really deliver the baby which richard i think with this election i think is very interesting because of the in the role that Bernie Sanders played in the primary he was very strong base ok i mean a unique base of people giving individual donations to and small donations i mean they did master that part of the campaign if you accept the the master of the message was failed Bernie Sanders eat just didnt have the fire in his belly to win but what i think is interesting about this election is that maybe for the 1st time in a long time anyway this voting. Or the lesser of 2 evils may not be in play because i think it is you said i think a lot of people i want maybe sounds and i think a lot of people to sit this one out i think that is going to sit it out particularly progressives are going to say im not going to play your game anymore we never get anything from you ever ok we bend the knee we kiss the ring and then you forget about us ok i think a lot of people would say were not going to play that game anymore what do you say to them richard. I disagree on a couple counts 1st barack obama sounds like you and hello are in the same boat you dont think much of his presidency everything all the other democrats come through left i come from the right ok bob we think i just say if you ask democrats whether they would take iraq obama over donald trump course i think even helen would concede that would not be close to right and barack obama characterized joke by as having the single most progressive platform of any democratic nominee ever and thats not much play time turning out some people i think its cabinet hold on and weve seen turnouts weve seen turnout sky high not just frankly in the primaries this year but going back literally since the day after donald trump which went on great it you take city and state and local races let alone the congressional races in 2018 and through the primaries this year democrats are chomping at the bit to have an opportunity to undo the damage that donald trump has done and again maybe you know held probably got some people that she thinks of who think that perfection should be the enemy that good but most democrats dont think that and most democrats are horrified at the japanese that donald trump has done to the country and jill thin for 4 years unchecked by having to answer to the voters that will motivate democrats if nothing else well again helen so what is the sterling reputation road record of joe biden you know this is a Short Program i cant keep. You mean too much time to think about that lets go ahead you mean he voted for the 9094 crime bill which one president numbers of black men in jail for crimes that they are still serving sentences for 20 years later that he could see he voted to. I mean. Its a Successful Program but hes been behind a whole lot of wars he voted for the iraq war he seemed people who didnt vote for the iraq war and voted for the war in afghanistan hes voted a well actually he was Vice President during the during the war in libya and syria and during the other war in iraq he voted for and. We cant forget about charisma because im sure donald trump is the real answer is with a vengeance. And china and china ok i so i know i noticed the dueling ads that came out very very interesting this is going to be a Nasty Campaign or im going to jump in here and this is your program were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on joe biden and the democrats. 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Democratic pundits and the media is it personal possible to recreate that coalition and is it even desirable right now because we have this black swan and then called the corona virus which none of us ever could afford or seen i mean i can imagine its almost hard for me to remember what life was like 6 weeks ago believe me its really and living in a very strange time ok so i mean it well what is that bullish because it looks like the professional and managerial class the suburbanites and in people of color is that enough to cross the line because again we think the progressives are such a huge wildcard here whats the coalition your head bridging there when you think about the people who voted for bill clinton and i do you say you want to sizable president ial elections it was everybody you just mentioned and kind of working class whites working class whites. The Democratic Party but the primary indication they left new orleans to joe biden and i will tell you theres a reason you know in the past we talked about the election in terms of who would you like to have a beer with i think this year its like who do you want to have somebody who is decent back in the white house for not and i think look joe biden comes from scranton anywhere said on his sleeve i think it means that hes suffered last personally and he knows what its like to come up to a working class family and i think it again if the if the primary results are a vacation Bernie Sanders appeal to those people got their vote twice 16 and joe biden got them this time around in addition to the very people that you ticked off thats a pretty sizable chunk of the american electorate and you get the pollster indication today and i would note every swing state donald trump is losing to choke by joe biden its not lose any single state that hillary won in 2016 the margins are big but every single one including states like arizona and North Carolina let alone michigan wisconsin pennsylvania donald trump is losing today to joe biden. Ok but helen you know i find it very interesting how the media treats all this because after the the the machinations and the the phone calls late in the night after South Carolina oversight and everything coalesced i mean theres a doctoral dissertation in there somewhere on that ok there was 48 hours ok but you know joe biden you know he has a reputation to be in the pocket of the Credit Card Companies also he has his hes never turned away hes never disliked one foreign war. And that and got involved in your continued and of course seriousness of what i would call you know believe women a serious sexual. Accusation against joe biden which the liberal media will not talk about will not talk about it and i remember very clearly the cabinet hearings i was very passionate about the rule of law and the presumption of innocence here but you have the liberal media that does it simply does not want to talk about it ok and they only like the New York Times watching cause they only started talking about it when bernie dropped out what a coincidence here so im very disturbed by that cover the liberal media in a free pass that they give joe when they hammer trump every single day maybe rightly maybe wrongly but they hammer him ok the media is playing a very Important Role in this election as well go ahead. Yes and thats a double standard and thats just pointing to the further discrediting of the media i mean everybody probably recalls 20 still it was 0 not 5 percent certainty that Hillary Clinton was going to win that Everybody LovesHillary Hillary is just great and then of course election day d came and that wasnt the case so i mean the media running interference for biden in doing this very all this favoritism as far as hammering on trial for the assault allegations that come from at least in one case a very curious place this this person but in the end by against him. The New York Times waited i think 33 weeks before even mentioning that this d thing existed and he read the interview with the editor of the New York Times its utterly embarrassing him trying to cover for basically a complete collapse of journalistic integrity which not with the times its had that in a while anyway d but still its the media is doing put a nail in its own coffin by completely circling the wagons around biden and just giving away all pretense of nonpartisan isnt. Now you know even you know richard i find it really interesting again you know youve already kind of hinted towards it about breeding decency back into into politics but thats a thats a thats a way to run a campaign ok but at the end of the day its voting against someone is that going to work this time around is it you the coalition actually is not going to be all the boxes checked up theyre just hoping 2 things hatred towards donald trump and then hopefully hell screw up the pandemic and in the rigged economic recovery thats a pretty risky strategy dont you think because there are so many variables involved ok and joe playing the decency card i dont know i think that is very naive i dont think we look at politicians as being decent ok i think we look at the are they the person that get things done ok and ive never met joe biden maybe hes a nice guy but he doesnt seem to be all there i mean ive watched a lot of business with him you know im no doctor im not a position so im not going to judge but you know ive come across quite a few elderly people in my life and i recognize what i think could be you condition are you worried about these things you know joe biden has a phrase he says dont compare it might compare it to the alternative if you say that it will be the democratic nominee but be ready against somebody who cannot pronounce the word origins or im not of this thinks that frankly Frederick Douglas has a great future or who thinks that an american invented the wheel thats to his opponents going to be so this notion that somehow. Is the one who showing some adult deficit. Look the fact of matter is this isnt one of them to say this about running against somebody. Again i think democrats have this sense of relief the reason that there was this coalescing around joe biden after. Or South Carolina it was it was obvious there was going to be biden and bernie and a lot of democrats felt uneasy about having a self doubt socialist be the head of the Democratic Party the notion of keeping control the house of representatives would have been very much in doubt in that instance so and i think theres kind of a sense of comfort with joe biden they know what hes going to do want policies and they so said a character that you and i know thats the problem but its them as a problem yes thats the problem but listen how you got to the business about this let me let me just say one thing peter i will believe you and helen and everybody else are taking seriously allegations that what allegation against joe biden by this woman if use is a really where i dont see 20 about the 20 that are actually going to court in her litigating against donald trump because of his assaults on them when i hear that yes ill believe you meetings a lot and i dont really get here thats a great wakely i dont like the lesser of 2 dimensions and thats 2 great things it doesnt work out like that what a candidate does not race it ripples to nurse the mental. The my point in bringing this ok is im not looking havent got to see if you had nothing to do with being that it really is kind of has been if youre going to come out. I gotta get my my point in bringing that is not to stick it to joe no im not is meant in the reference was made to the media not to joe biden ok and my point is youre right maybe 20 cases a publicly known really being weak ordered and then you have this allegation that the powers that be the most powerful figures in media want to keep quiet and they do everything they can and then theyd do these. Hits on this individual woman i thought we were supposed to listen to every single woman in every single claim im attacking the media here and im not disparaging the character of either drum or biden that was the reason why i brought this up but i want to react to something you said richard said you know the thread about the socialist Bernie Sanders what is the threat that losing your power or new policies are you is the Democratic Party worried about both a different way of imagining the work and terrified of losing your power is this it when it gets down to the they go ahead rich or democrats want a house of representatives by winning swing districts just flip from republican to democrat and democrats why were so called new democrats probusiness democrats democrats who held themselves out as middle of the road they also want on health care thats the way democrats win 2020 and if anything underscores the value of having health care in this country incidentally not tethered to your top talent at that point about people losing their jobs and therefore losing their health care yes lets have health care not tethered to your job and donald trump would have you have not health care at all you want to have kids on medicaid at all even you would have no insurance but we dont read it carefully i was loved by you know medicare for all so care im sure ive not heard of that im going to give you the health care that you need and its what kind of choices that. Well the choice is between a candidate who is trying to get the federal government behind people who have preexisting conditions as opposed to somebody whos trying to strip that away is actress helen or not or is that something that you think is just kind of like up a 5. 8 kind of you think if you think about what is going to be tens of billions like obama like obama has kept this promise as you know all those promises he kept it to close guantanamo to end the wars that turned to 1. 00 to 7. 00 them in latin does not have a history of keeping promises by them have a history of volunteer and the prosecutor himself at large corporations. Are saying youre going to settle and probably thinking to himself you can use there are many things like that or ive been rabidly shocked he said you cant want to test for corona virus you could get it back and makes that mark step thats what he said thats going to be the rallying cry this year if you want to test you can get it so says donald trump on march 7th and theres not a soul that believes that thats something he could make good on so thats going to be a promise peter to people remember in 2020 well ok look im actually really think that this is the lead the Coronavirus Crisis and what happens out of your words i mean this devastation of the economy that is working people being absolutely utterly destroyed during this i mean were not bogus enough on that because were focused on the on the power to make this thing goes down the the just its going to be left behind is going to be even to comprehend let alone deal with and thats going to be the referendum on donald trump rapidly running out of time helen what do you think the chances are of buyers remorse because thats name of this episode. Is joke to make it all the way to the to november or are we going to see a possibility that you know maybe joe kind of be moved along a little bit what do you think when you think the d. N. C. Has come in there. I think the Convention Comes around that theyre going to have to have some sort of come to jesus moment then maybe you know maybe we shouldnt pick the guy thats got the Sexual Assault case against him standing and maybe we should pick a guy whos clearly like sundowning half the time hes on camera and maybe we shouldnt does so what. I mean theyre definitely letting him up for it hes being put up as the a hero who goes against tampa does the right thing on coronavirus that im going to quote. Do it again another episode that were brought out a time when i think my guess the new old bridge and in new york i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at d. C. And expand remember rostock rules. Sure seem wrong. But all roads just dont hold. Me. Get to shape out these days. 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