Wasnt on this medication i just wouldnt be able to do the things that im doing now theres no question the best strongest and most opioids have serious medical. A. T. M. Machine. Or you push the. Pharmaceutical companies all though were not entirely transparent about the addictive the thank. You are told they were not in when in fact they were. Taught in medical schools about this is the juice we talk about illnesses that were supposed to cure. Thinking that doctors are always right so if you have a prescription its easy and we talk about opioid painkillers we are centrally talking about. Drug companies are they. Are the pushers and the pharmacists are the suppliers dads. See theres not a city in the United States right now that doesnt have a major opiate addiction problem and its not just in cities its in rural areas in fact in some places its worse in rural areas than anywhere else at the peak of the epidemic millions of people in the United States were prescribed 259000000 prescriptions of opioids that means on average every adult is on one opiate you know once or twice a year if not more scares the living crap out of me opioids are a major category of medical spending according to the centers for Disease Control its about. 24000000000. 00 in direct cost for the medications and other 75000000000. 00 in Health Care Costs people are doing an oxycontin 8010. 00 pack a day thats a 1000. 00 worth of medication the kids who are spending hundreds of dollars a day if not thousands. Dont walk in. And its cheap. Really cheap really inexpensive and readily available the shame of addiction keeps us from knowing the actual numbers but at least 2000000 americans and probably millions more are addicted to prescription opioids prescription drugs. Causing more deaths for example. Car accidents from 999 to 2070 over 500000 americans have died from an opioid overdose more than all the americans killed on the battlefield since world war 2. We have iraq in rates of infant born healthy way of children winding up in the foster care system because their parents are addicted kids growing up without parents parents who have lost children you have families decimated you have towns destroyed i think that it started off. With company in stamford connecticut that had some marketing material this is the worst manmade epidemic in the history of american medicine its very clear when one looks at the overprescribing of opioids thats led to this Public Health crisis that the medical community really forgot the 1st of which is do no harm. Opioids are among the worlds oldest known drugs there are medical religious and Recreational Use predates recorded history. These are really drugs such as opium codeine and morphine works directed from poppy flowers and its some kind of mystery of nature why did the poppy play out create morphine it can bind to the d opioid receptors in human brains and probably thats a mystery of nature will never be able to answer but that is the case because its chemically similar to the compounds that are own brain makes an 874. 00 an english chemist by mixing morphine and other assets created a powerful opioid that was eventually called di a seal morphine nothing much resulted from his discovery 23 years later a german chemist working for what is now the bayer pharmaceutical corporation created the same substance baier quickly promoted the drug is less dangerous than morphine as well as a cough suppressant because of the heroic feelings recipients experienced they called it heroin heroin is a very slight chemical manipulation of the morphine molecule makes the compound heroin much more fat soluble the brain is mostly fat so if someone is exposed to heroin it gets into the brain many many times faster than morphine would the more route that a drug gets to the brain we were told in humans the more apt its to cause a high this heroic to. Originally promoted as a cough suppressant and for other common conditions were soon diverted and abused in 1904 the United States congress banned heroin declaring it a dangerous addictive illegal narcotic it probably would take too long for me to. Provide a theory of why as americans we have. Such love affairs with with drugs that potentially can kill us opioid addiction led doctors to fear its use for anything but short term acute pain or end of life Palliative Care that was a time when the medical community did understand that opioids needed to be prescribed just lay there are obviously important medicines for easing suffering at the end of life they play an Important Role when used on a short term basis for severe acute pain for example after major surgery ventral a scientist started creating new semi synthetic opioids similar to heroin in 1917 oxy code was one of several semi synthetic opioids developed in germany you literally start with opium to make hydrocodone and oxy caught on and the effects that hydrocodone oxy co dont produce in the brain are indistinguishable from the effects produced by heroin if you give an experienced heroin user oxy called tone and heroin its hard for that heroin user to tell which is which in fact if you ask them which they like a little bit better and unlike a blind taste test which was a study they did as Columbia University the oxy code is preferred to the heroin so one of saying is that when we talk about opioid Pain Medicine worse since they talking about heroin pelz and 892 doctors John Purdue Gray and George Graham started their per do Frederick Company on manhattans Lower East Side in 1952. It was sold to 2 other doctors raymond and motorcycle in the intervening years they expanded the company to other states moving their headquarters to stanford connecticut and changing the name to produce for produce a private family many of them are doctors many that are philanthropists a lot of money billions but they are and i hear typical rich people yachts dating models things like that their intellectual people they care about Science Cancer Research on arts a 3rd brother dr Arthur Sackler revolutionized pharmaceutical advertising are there originated a blitz style marketing of drugs aimed at general practitioners through medical conventions as with well known doctor endorsements direct mailing and a sales force giving out free samples and perks. For the response you know wand and trust his 963 campaign for the new tranquilizer value touted it as a safe nonaddictive stress reliever women particularly were targeted to cure the every day stress of being a wife and mom valuing became the 1st 1000000000. 00 profit drug leading to an addiction crisis by the mid 1970 s. And 1987 dr Arthur Sackler died a very rich man his successful Marketing Strategies continue to live on a per do farm. To do began focusing on Pain Management 1972 they patented content a controlled drug release system produced form a believe that if they could link their 12 hour time release system content to an opioid pain reliever that could be marketed for chronic pain without the sudden rush or heroin high to the brain there is an interim logic to making the warning acting opioids because obviously convenience you dont hear a doses in a day but youd also have fewer repeats in trucks road so you wouldnt have the sudden potential. Pressure on you and how to break your pain at the time opioids had limited use for short term acute end of life pain neither are markets where fortunes are made you know all of their sales materials for targeted to get to get the drugs out of the oncology suites and into the hands of local practitioners to do began funding organizations that endorsed long term use of opioids for common conditions in 1993 they established partners against pain quote to help alleviate unnecessary suffering by advancing standards of chronic pain care through education 996 of the launch of the 12 hour extended release synthetic opioid designed to be safe for both acute and long term chronic pain they called their new revolutionary drug oxycontin. The next step was to convince the skeptical medical profession of the safety and effectiveness of their powerful pain reliever her due at the time it launched in 1996 really opened New Territory in terms of aggressive promotion of narcotics they did things that really had never been seen before oxy khat was really one of the 1st pain killers that was marketed to general internists and the public for moderate pain they are the company that sort of an originator add to the playbook inspired by the Arthur Sackler playbook produce a launched a Marketing Campaign to sell oxycontin through multiple levels of attack. Lets number one educate the medical community from 996 to 2001 purdue conducted national Pain Management and speaker training conferences and resources in florida arizona and california there. Really influencing maybe even corrupting 5000 doctors Nurse Practitioners and nurses to just sell the koolaid several videos were created named both doctors and patients to encourage the use of opioids as long term safe methods to treat chronic pain one such video was entitled i got my life back the Video Centers around dr allen spano sent his patients personal Success Stories thanks to oxycontin im back now maybe i can enjoy every day. Since ive been on this new pain medication and i have not missed one day of work these videos were seen by about 15000 doctors through direct marketing seminars and medical school. Is youll be via reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation community. Are you going the right way or are you being that. Direct. What is true what is faith. In a world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the death. Or a mate in the shallowest. This is a story about what happens auster a stray bullet kills a young girl in the streets. What happens to her family and daughters in florida knowing my other daughter is buried in a cemetery it is meaning this is your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the Police Needed a scale. So why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pen this than him and what happens in courts be the. Shot after shot as far as i feel. We dont know still chests from. The end of this trial unfortunately you too will still not know what childress. We now know that in patients who have no history of Substance Abuse no history of chemical dependency the likelihood that the treatment of paid using it opioid drug which is prescribed by a doctor will need to addiction is extremely low people like Russell Portnoy and many others were teaching that addiction was rare and these false words and that we should be comforting people in chronic pain just like we have learned to convert people with cancer pain and in fact if you dont do that youre probably going to be found wanting these are what is termed in the industry a k o well or a key opinion leader and if a drug company can hire these k o ls they dont have to do the promotion themselves and in fact a lot of what the k o l say to other doctors and other practitioners doesnt have to meet the same level of scrutiny by the f. D. A. Doesnt have to even conform to the labeling instructions for the drug of a generation of physicians were trained that opioids were effective for chronic pain and and safe which number 2 promote the drug they increase their sales force and their physician called us these sales reps who are offered lucrative bonuses their average compensation produce sales rep was about 55000. 00 but they could get that increased by an extra 250000 dollars bonus if they could get enough doctors writing prescriptions if you can increase your salary 5 fold youre going to cut corners whos the doctor writing the prescription for is that just a drug mill prescription office those questions just were not asked Health Care Professionals received all kinds of promotional perks. And fishing hats stuffed plush toys musical compact disks and of course the proverbial free lunch pharmaceutical companies were off this all the time to get pens in bugs than. Prescription pads for their products were written and thats why he had to do was sign it you could take him out to lunch you can go to meetings you go to the meetings and theres a reception by those guys knew what they were doing and they must have been good at it or they wouldnt have done it but what happened is they sort of. Grey shape the physician to them to be beholding for the goodies that they provided for them theyre all guidelines for what the sales rep can and cant say but youre not saying and not lunch im not saying and on that lunch theres no recording or transcript of it who knows what is said primary care doctors who fell for this began prescribe ing aggressively people always say follow the money theres considerable amount of money involved in the in the prescribing of opiates purdue paid honoraria speaking and teaching fees to doctors boarding the oxycontin bandwagon he was taking about 100000. 00 a year. And then we looked to see how much the drugs that he was writing prescriptions for were costing us and so the drugs he wrote for those Drug Companies cost us 500000. 00 a year so they can easily target dark jurors that are covering 80 percent of all of the narcotic prescriptions and thats what produced did blitz number 3 get the state and federal regulatory agencies on board as well as the legislative branches big pharma is one of the most powerful lobby groups in washington they have armies of lobbyists that they use to reward congresspeople to reward senators most of it is done legally and above the board and in fact if you look at the websites that are out there you can see how much money is paid by each drug company to each senator and each congressman but theres also a lot of sort of dark money that goes for you know Political Action committees and other organization. Since that that we really dont know about in our system of special interest politics. The special interests unfortunately often are the ones that carry the day when it comes to produce pharma there was essentially an unholy alliance between. The Company Executives and the Advisory Board of the f. D. A. They reviewed the drug big pharma is supposed to be regulated by the f. D. A. But unfortunately through the badoo for laws big pharma is actually paying the f. D. A. Very large sums of money to review their drug applications so the f. D. A. Doesnt do independent testing ive never bought into and that has taken account of the Drug CompaniesClinical Trials for them i was investigating whether or. Where their Company Executives were essentially writing the advisory decision. That legitimized approving this struck the joint commission that accredits Health Care Organizations mandated pain is treated like the 5th vital signs as patients routinely had their temperature and blood pressures checked doctors were expected to ask each person to rate their pain on a scale from 1. 00 to 10. 00 doctors and hospitals were mohnish to if they did not treat this pain the joint commission developed this pain as the 5th vital sign. As part of a grant of that was provided to them by the Pharmaceutical CompanyPurdue Pharma the joint commission on accreditation of Healthcare Organizations recently defined and adopted stringent pain standards on the basic thrust of our new standards is that organizations and practitioners have an obligation to ask the patient even if the patient doesnt look like he or she is in pain ask them to be surprised to hear when you go to a Doctors Office how they ask you or are you having pain. No you may go for a reason it has nothing to do with pain which just added lighter fluid to the fire because because it became equivalent to say if you have pain you need opioids. At least in the United States you know 2 plus. You know probably not there making people spilling an oxy contemn produce marketing of oxycontin thats depending on how you look at it very successful very tragic all the marketing legislative maneuvering cash and free giveaways handed to doctors and politicians might have been justified if opioids were a safe effective nonaddictive treatment for chronic pain but they werent my personal experience that it wasnt working. I was watching many of my patients deteriorate. A few deaths. Retrospect clearly related to my prescription produce own sales reps were saying that the rate of addiction is only one percent. With r. C. Cars and that was clearly just false when you go back and look at the original data on which the gist on which their claim that that opioid use or Pain Medicine use for for treating pain doesnt cause addiction is scary the rate of addiction among pain patients who are treated by dont goals is much less than one percent cited a study by porter and chick few bothered to check out the source of this critical statistic in 197917 years before the creation introduction of oxycontin. Dr herschel jek used boston universitys new crude database to satisfy his curiosity of how many hospitalized patients became addicted to opioids grad student jane porter helped compile the statistics dr jack broke our press secretary typed it up and submitted it to the new england journal of medicine. Short letter was one of the many printed in january of 1980 the power graph simply stated the statistics and made no conclusion. What everybody was citing as evidence that we didnt have to worry about getting our patients addicted in some cases this was being described as a landmark study it was this one paragraph a letter to the editor this of course would tell you nothing about the risk of addiction when you put a patient on long term opioids but it turns out in fact they have always been just as addictive as we always knew they were there for many hundreds if not thousands of years when people used the obviously and in the early derivatives of opium for pain control. As patients began to exhibit symptoms of tolerance and addiction to do former was quick to pacify fears we were often taught that tolerance imply the diction but it doesnt tolerance just means that you may need to increase the dose of the drug to get the same effect but that doesnt go along with compulsive use of the trial and doesnt go along with any of the other things that with the concept of pseudo addiction what we were told was that if you had a patient coming in early who looked addicted that it wasnt addiction it was pseudo addiction pseudo addiction is a fairly new term attorney came in about 990 but its crucial pseudo addiction is. When a patient is looking the life of a drug addict because pursuing high in relief so pseudo addiction is a relief seeking behavior in this state as drug addiction produces remedy for socalled pseudo addiction actually endangered lives if you had a patient who appeared addicted to educational message was that you should increase the dose of the opioid. Give them more opioids and sure enough if you give somebody whos addicted all of the pills that they could possibly want they do stop coming and are really there they spend the day and narcotic stupor on the sofa the average daily dose one for about 80 milligrams a day to over 140 milligrams its just within a couple of years and its shifted tremendously from the slightly weaker schedule 3 opioids to the stronger longer acting schedule. So by now the horse is out the doors closed youve got people running around thinking believing that they need these opiates to have a peaceful successful life completely pain free will the price that they paid was their dependency an addiction to opiates dr peter Grace Research assistant professor with the university of colorado boulder published a study indicating that opioids like oxycontin when used long term increase chronic pain rather than the long term use that really isnt scientifically justified and ill study actually suggested. A long time affects my not just baby absence of benefit but actually that diet might be causing a long time time release opioids when crushed snorted or injected. Rushed to the brain similar if not better than illegal heroin. Young people began diverting the drugs described or stolen from medicine cabinets to get high this to lead to addiction and overdose children using oxy codeine by children i mean people between the ages of 12 when theyre starting up to 25. 00 all those children they crush the oxytocin they can get a whole day supply out of a sustained release but they became 2 kinds of opioid addicts the abusers and those unknowingly addicted to a drug their trust a doctor had prescribed in the 1009. Hes Linda Jian Nadi from exeter New Hampshire sought treatment for back pain and fibromyalgia at her local clinic at one point. 150. 00 milligrams however they do have that now patches plus oxycontin oxy code i had a woman that lives in my building said to me to drive like you would crawl and that was because of the opiates i dont drink so why and you never did anything other than what you will prescribe is an agreement right i know their practice was the off label use of drugs this is the use of drugs to treat elements other than what they were designed for off label use is not illegal or regulated by the f. D. A. Doctors began prescribing oxycontin for migraines and depression theres no law against writing the drug for an off label use so there might be the drug detail guy comes in your office and you know with a wink and a nod and says hey you might want to use that try try that drug for this because some other doctors we know have used it for that even though its not approved for that in addition to oxycontin other opioids were put off label use one of which was methadone a drug used to treat heroin addiction. Join me every thursday on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Americas got 20 or 30000000 people unemployed now the question is why have they no savings why dont they have a statement thats a very important question that we need to look into. Style demands is to put on the cherry on the stone to continue a little sponge thats them. Up at your. Home with nothing to do and that i desired to know. How much older the. Local just a little. She told. Me up on that show was still a lot. Of new prince not just on boats almost unusable not on one level so that was to stop it. Welcoming our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is our to u. K. Britains coronavirus daily death toll rockets back up to over 800 as the office for National Statistics reveals that the true number could be 40 percent higher than government figures its hospital bosses fear that telling the public to web mosques will exacerbate be simply a shortage in the Health Service ill be joined by a doctor very surely. It could have been sworn that Government Apps designed to track newly infected coronavirus patients will fail unless they also respect lose a previously been speaking to one of them. So this is the family of p. C. Keith palma sue Scotland Yard over the death of the officer during the westminster terror attack 3 years ago. Its another deadly day for the u. K. As the 24. 00 corona virus death toll soars back up to over 800. 00 fatalities thats the government is accused of underestimating the true scale of the virus crisis after it emerged the death rate is up to 41 percent higher when including norm hospital fatalities meanwhile Health Bosses have warned that changing official advice to make the public face masks could lead to even greater shortages for their workers with ministers already under fire for failing to procure enough protective equipment. Joins me now and. Another big rise in deaths and its likely to be far higher than that. Yes yesterday we saw the numbers just server 400 deaths across the u. K. But today those figures almost double of not there are 778 deaths it england 17 scotland 25 in wales that takes the total of those who have died in hospital after testing positive with coded 19. 00 to 873. 00 and it doesnt include the figures from Northern Ireland just yet there have been suggestions that sat at these figures these 873. 00 of course only including that big is in hospitals and they could downplay the actual extent of the deaths the onus figures suggest that thought he one percent of the coronavirus deaths will the number of credit are assessed for to offset the higher than those suggested by the government and just over 13000 deaths reported up to april 10th now the governments own figures up to that day suggest that the really 9000 deaths again those the deaths in hospitals just over 1600 deaths occurred outside of hospital with over a 1000 people dying in care homes and thats a jump of 217 thats the week prior to that again the government figures dont take these toxic assets into account and there are 8000. 00 excess deaths up to actual that 10. 00 to 15. 00 that being corona virus related now of course all of these figures that suggest that people have been. Testing positive for cocaine 1000. 00 and then dying it doesnt suggest that it was coded 1000. 00 itself thats killed all of these people but just goes to show the difference in methodology between the governments own figures and those of the office for National Statistics and he said the government still on the far on people. Yes this still debates around. P. P. All around the governments ability to source that crucial that stuff need now weve been seeing calls for and a test staff to be receiving more and also calls for whether the member members of the public should be told to wear things like masks for example however. They just bosses are concerned that if the public start being told to wear masks theyre not going to strain and are already difficult to find resource those masks that is and then they were put into those and its just losses be enough for n. H. S. Stuff and it must but i just start to go around and thats of course it into the debate around whether there is a benefit to wearing the law school whether some have suggested that it actually contributes to the spread of cutting 1000 because it results in people touching their faces not this decision about whether or not to let people or to mandate people to win last is something thats been supported by down intreat may tend to agree with and it just losses that it will put unnecessary strain on the p. P. The supply chain when it comes to getting that stuff to frontline and its just stuff now we know from over the weekend there were reports in the countrys press that the government essentially it failed secure enough p. P. With a number of shipments not arriving when they said they were supposed to the government had indicated the shipment was a person right on sunday but sources say it was only on sunday that an order was made and its unlikely that those p. P. Shipments will arrive by today now a part of it also meeting now they have sat once more or less sitting and debating about how they should do their business should it be through Virtual Parliament we understand that a limit of 50 m. P. H. Has been placed within parliament itself so there are a 50 m. Piece of that but how many will be able to take part in online debates. You know all the actual debating using troops not with zoom conferencing at least to be seen because if only 120 can use that outcome only 50 could turn up in parliament there are concerns that those measures will limit the scope of debate in parliament on a number of issues. Thank you very much indeed for all of that while to discuss this all further im not joined by dr america arm a man very good to see you here live in our u. K. Every day the government says either we have the kit or its on its way and still we seem to be short. Yes and i think as a natures worker and hearing it from my colleagues were getting a bit tired of hearing its on its way but we need is we need to be able to go to work reassure that the p. P. Will be there and that were protected when we do not jobs and see these patients you know where putting our selves at risk we understand that risk away happy to go along with it and treat all patients we just expect the government to provide it was the right equipment and 1st of all is this pandemics been going on really weve been hearing that its on its way its a logistical issue the supplies are there we just cant get it to you book what point do we say look just tell us the truth you dont have it so its i just say that you know we would much prefer that then the constant kind of what feels like nonsense about it coming up but it may what sort of risky you taking what level of protection have you got are you experiencing a shortage as well yourself so i would give primary gets a general practice and so when i see patients and i do see patients with potential crew of virus type symptoms of be wearing goggles and mask plastic clearly and gloves and that is in keeping with the Public Health guidance we have enough for now and when we need a couple of weeks ago we had problems sourcing the go girls and we were told to find them ourselves i Hardware Stores and that kind of thing but look at it we got a donation from a local funeral home so thats replenished our stores of go go but what about the advice all mosques in one public authorities dont tell people to wear them simply to avoid running out of these mosques then theyre not really taking science lead decisions overwhelming. Yeah i think its really important that the masks are kept for Health Care Professionals but at the same time people can wear masks made of other things so you dont have to wear a suit you can mask you know a scarf or a piece of piece of cloth over your face is still effective in preventing you from infecting other people and thats the purpose of the mass its not to protect you its to protect other people so if other people wear it they have them protected you and vice versa so it doesnt have to be a surgical mask or a hospital mask it can be at home made makeshift mask what about reusing personal protective equipment thats been suggested do you think that is effective is that safe no its not effective nor is it safe and what it shows is that we dont have enough personal protective equipment and in the most recent guide is issued by Public Health england and going granted it was only for exceptional circumstances they have suggested reusing p. P. And that goes back to the whole line of us not having enough p. P. Where all along the government have been telling us we have got enough they just cant get it to is so so it you know it could unite england where we expect you know were a developed country we should have enough resources to follow this and i understand its a worldwide issue that book preparation was key and it doesnt feel like enough preparation was done and just very briefly funny if you dont mind the British Medical Association says it will back doctors who refuse to work without the right to p. P. Proper stuff so i mean that that could have serious consequences couldnt it its such a difficult decision you know we hope not to find ourselves in that position but you know when we went into this profession to help people to make People Better but at the same time we shouldnt be putting ourselves out of risk you know we rely on the n. H. S. We rely on the government to provide is with the right equipment so i can i can really understand why doctors or nurses tell. A professional. Maybe your feel they can treat their patients without the effective. Salute of a mere best of luck with all your doing and of course your colleagues thank you very much indeed for joining us live here on dr amir come. Current virus Contact Tracing apps developed for use by the likes of the n. H. S. Must ensure previously is respected to be successful and thats according to a joint statement from 300 privacy experts and academics who warn the technology is doomed to fail if people dont trust it it is crucial that Citizens Trust the applications in order to produce the fish an uptake to make a difference in tackling the crisis it is vital that in coming out of the Current Crisis we did not create a tool that enables large scale Data Collection on the population either now or at a later time thus the aleutians which allow reconstructing invasive information about the population shippey rejected without further discussion 1st use the in singapore last month the Technology Uses bluetooth connections in small phones to identify people meeting each other and storing a record of those contacts those who have come close to a newly infected patient and then sent a text with self isolation instructions that least half of the country would need to sign up to the app for it to be effective unlike john such as apple who are backing a decentralized Contact Tracing system the n. H. S. Backs an approach where data is uploaded and stored centrally but despite concerns over bulk data gathering just a secretary Robert Buckland told him piece that the technology it would be limited. You know were living in that time when we have accepted it rightly i think some good treatment of our liberties if we go down this road we do so in a considered and trifle way but in a way that is functionally limiting which will i believe prevent the sort of Mission Creep that you are not. Parliamentarian would both resist and draped and not joined by one of the joint statement signifies professor i can ask. Very good of you to join us here not you k. Now this technology has proved to be im not really sure if you can any i can see there. Are you know well ok sounds a bit muffled lets give it a go anyway but now my question to you firstly is the technology has proved to be successful in countries such as singapore and south korea but we need it sooner rather than later head shortly. Yes i think their key point here is copper creek into a very useful if you want to live as a sheen. So oh. No doubt congress is going to take a period when the floor of the on earth when you use the service isnt notes or with others it is it and politics and actually very useful out there almost like you do mine on the tracing this in the valley where there is it and the warming of the. Of all the a lot of the conflict with. The last the last or with this. d diagnosis is so all that but it could in principle lead a detectable and despite some issues in principle this could literally saved lives. Absolutely yes absolutely the Environmental Movement in this process can be very effective of these is very useful to them suiter the difference here is that in the rose because you really mentioned the simpler life versus the senate this is a sober house in st louis is good as a. And these big firms google and apple that are backing a decentralized system arent they is that is that a safe method then the approach the n. H. S. Wants to use that yes i do need more thought it was a little bit here and this is worth so much if you have a super life as it is the what happens is a big blow to either regularly or the user has to be diagnosed with an infection information about their education now about what hours later this is a this is the 1000. 00 regimes results to all convert to person. After you get out of the way its the recent ara so we really get a live edition and they really do her things like get themselves tested in or our allies right thank you very much indeed that not a brilliant connection there but we pretty much have everything you have to say thank you very much professor. We really appreciate your time thank you. Split about it. Lets take a look at the latest update from across the country according to reports coming from england scotland and wales the number of coronavirus fatalities in hospitals has passed 17300 the government will confirm the official figures later the softer name the scottish 1st minister said that economic harm is not reason enough to end the meltdown early despite admitting scotlands economic output could shrink by a 3rd and that says the Welsh Health Minister warns that p. P. P. Stocks in wales up only enough to last for a few days. They confirmed number of hours cases globally continues to soar just on the 2 and a whole 1000000 confirmed to have the virus and over one 170000 have lost their lives while more than 650000 have now recovered according to Johns Hopkins university. Is still to come out of this. Leading ukrainian Academic School for a lockdown exit strategy as tensions over knock down measures continue to mount across the world. Would have p. C. College children to 2017 teletech which mr bridges sues the much but its employees for failing to protect us from the. Same wrong wrong wrong just dont all. Get to shape out these days become educated and engaged equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when shes to look for common ground. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy to confront a shouldnt let it be an arms race is on off and spearing Dramatic Development the only really im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Leading British Academic claims have been locked down measures could end up doing more damage than the virus itself professor call hannigan all Oxford University claims the prediction models the god of the lock down measures are out of date he also says random sample testing could provide a better understanding of the virus it comes as i could i mix from University College london claimed that the lockdown could be eased as early as next month well they say the economy can gradually be reopened using a traffic light system the red phase would run from may the 4th until may the 25th small shops and local businesses could reopen the end of phase would last until june the 15th and here families will be allowed to visit each others homes although laws gatherings would still be banned and schools could reopen for exams and protective mosques would become compulsory on public transport. The green phase from june the 15th would then see kolbs restaurants gyms and clubs reopen sporting events could be given the go ahead you see all have submitted their proposals to the government. Minister said just last sunday that this approach is not being considered when it comes after the u. K. s chief scientific advisor says the data used to determine policy wont be revealed just yet violence claims the minutes of key meetings as well as scientific findings will be made public but not until the virus is under control. The metropolitan police is facing a legal action over the death of p. C. Keith palmer during the westminster turner attack on march 2017 from the family of the officers themselves shot it was dusty as a story the metropolitan police force is facing legal action over the death of p. C. Keith palmer who died during the westminster terror attack back in 2017 right here at the gates of parliament michel palmers offices which is now accusing stockton yard of failing to do more to protect her husband leaving him in her words alone on armed and having to guard an open gate palmer was one of 5 that was killed in the attack by heavy suit that lasted 82 seconds or through drove across this very bridge from the opposite end plowing into many protester ins before finally crashing into parliament and then they descended from his car and fatally stabbed her to trial finished knives p. C. Keith palmer his rampage only came to an end when he was shot dead by the office of the chief coroner ruled the palmer could still be alive this marks from a close by the nearest was 80 yards away. Q. C. From that due to shortcomings in the Security System the armed officers were not aware of requirements to remain in the close proximity to the gates the inquest also had evidence revealing that a senior officer had raised concerns about the positioning of marksman then there were all. Also allegations that m i 5 should have been monitoring the suit was a must in combat at the time or closely with the Security Service refuted at the time of the inquest but on top of all of that the metropolitan police itself has refused to accept responsibility to keep the staff and hasnt responded to this latest action except to confound it has received a notice of it but did apologize in the aftermath of the inquest the chief coroner has plainly carried out a rigorous and full inquiry and we and reservedly accept his conclusions even the possibility that the m. P. s lost the chance to prevent the murder of a brave and courageous officer is unacceptable for the loss of that possibility to protect him from callid masood we are deeply sorry security outside the palace of westminster has changed a lot since the attack but thats to nestle too late for peace promised his young daughter but now the metropolitan police could be forced not just to express regret but admit liability. To break comes to an end one report is highlighting discrepancies between private and state School Students when it comes to Home Learning during lockdown. A Sutton Trust Report highlights of the 3rd of students are participating in remote Online Learning but its findings show that those from private schools are twice as likely to take part than their state educated counterparts report says that 60 percent of private School Pupils are able to Access School work online and that compares to fewer than a quarter of those who are state educated and while 45 percent of School Children are in touch with their teachers the figure rises to 80 percent of private secondary School Students and over 60 percent of private primary School Children with a date has yet to confirm for the reopening of schools and the education secretary says 5 tests will need to be met including a fall in infections and deaths his comments follow reports of plans to open schools as early as next month. Or to discuss this latest report im now joined by a teacher from the company of ideas gareth steady growth hello to you thanks for joining us. Whats your Immediate Reaction to these findings these discrepancies. Well im im one of those people that was critical of the early decision to shut schools i think they closed 2 are early and im one of those now saying that schools should open as soon as they can soon as possible. And one of the reasons for that is that the inequalities that the sun trust report is exposed. Because we could see that coming on you know its not a surprise certainly to myself that these inequalities exist and why why why private School Students are attending more online classes than others. I mean a large part of this is access to the technology right so you know the kind of families are able to send their children to independent schools are the kind of families that will have you know several computers about the house have a tech savvy parent. Have this kind of access there are lots and lots of children out there who you know dont have a mobile phone let alone a laptop computer with a web cam a microphone so what can be done about a scout i mean the government should be doing more to help students from poor backgrounds because hes a 7 done is now. That they should be opening the schools you know thats the point of schools but education doesnt exist to just deal with social mobility education is a place where everybody goes and everybodys treated same and thats not the case if everybody sitting in their own houses where of course social differences are our show i mean many will understand your argument as a teacher because people still will be saying is it really safe to open schools again what what do you know about the safety aspect well i mean im you know im not of the role of just an epidemiologist and so on but i am a rational human being thats able to look at whats happening in the world and take a judgment this is fundamentally a political decision not a science decision on the science soon as it suggests that the infection rates are falling things are its. And so when youre a safe level schools should be one of the 1st indications that society is is starting up again and that were able to restore some level of normality so that knocked out of the moment is negatively impacting children learning of course and just how sustainable is it though to carry on in this way how could it really now impact School Children if this carries on i just dont think i just dont think it can carry on like this and therefore i think we are seriously looking at a whole cohort of children whose education is going to be massively impacted its already massively impacted for 16 year olds and 18 year olds with the National Exams and scrapping those that shouldnt be allowed to sue domino effect through the rest of the school or this is a massive impact now what kind of an impact is this going to have on Childrens Development in the long term. There is no substitute for these educational years you know learning can be lifelong but if you miss key elements of it at this age then thats going to impact a large part of your future not just in terms of jobs but in terms of who you are as a person and the forces that have shaped you and we should not underestimate the moment we have to accept the reality that schools are closed and we have to carry on with this home Online Learning and we were talking earlier we saw the report about the inequalities there should perhaps private schools be sharing resources to help this is there a way of doing now. Definitely i think the Computer Companies the private schools the independent schools anybody thats got access to this Technology Needs to share as widely as possible just as much as you know people whove got p. P. A. Equipment or you know plastic clubs and things like that theyre sharing that this is just to do this important but its more tricky you know ultimately it requires a classroom and a teacher in it in a face to face 3 day World Exchange and thats very difficult to do if you shut the school politicians are watching us karas no doubt but what sort of support are you getting from your colleagues oh im in no doubt that an awful lot of teachers disagree with me i just wish theyd show a bit more moral courage realize the seriousness of what education is all about and doing their bit to be just as brave as the n. H. S. Workers that are going out there you know a supermarket worker doesnt have a choice teachers should get back into their classrooms and show the same moral courage and in terms of disagreement what are the main issues really based on health risks you know i think teachers are scared and thats completely understandable i share those fears we have to get over those fears we have to demonstrate but all our knowledge has turned us into people who really value this stuff and say its so important children cant afford to miss out on it its really really important that sutures become brave this moment stiff but not to do it kara thank you very much indeed for talk talking to us live here now to you kate gareth steady thank you and thats it for the moment ill be back with more news when just over half an hour from now. 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