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The child this as a pandemic was raging through the world i mean it really kind of defines any kind of sensibility go ahead alex or i think its i think thats right i mean its completely well actionable thats not to say that the chinese did everything perfectly its the problem as that you know og governments in britain and the United States had reacted for all this and i was just reading an extraordinary article that look in the london times cataloguing the fact that for 38 days the British Government was basically on equal completely on the gauge with the problem and all Prime Minister Boris Johnson skipped. Crawling cyst meetings to discuss this so you know what do you do when youre failing when people thousands of people all dying when your hospitals are overflowing and when you dont have enough. Protective equipment all closing for hospital stuff what you have in britain you blame outsiders and you blame china because of course china is the great rival and competitor and its also shorting really managed to get this epidemic under control which is what we all seek merely failing to do so that makes this incredibly angry and of course you also blame the enemy who is always the consistence call the invariable the enemy which is russia we should have no role in this whatsoever the russians are providing help to italy they must be doing it to some sinister purpose if the russians are doing things better than we are that mess mean that they had their up to theyre up to no good again hand we have this constance pumping out all this propaganda which im afraid im sorry to say this i think theres still an especially the n. T. Chinese part of it is still wanting to gain some traction with the group their proper lation as people become very angry with the situation but if im so sad you know in reading the British Press i came across to new terms that you know just this morning ok im virus quality and cyber gulag apparently thats whats going on in the country ive lived in i didnt know that you know the guardian is all knowing and apparently here the interesting thing about china is that were getting worse seeing a reversion or a return of this kind of cold war paradigm of the enemy communism the soviet union not our values you know ive lived through it i remember it very very well and all 3 of us did ok but the interesting thing here in this case is that the west under the leadership of the United States had almost virtually no economic contact with the soviet block it was it was miniscule miniscule. The and and we you couldnt use that as any kind of leverage and that was always one of the arguments against these guys and we use the term that we use now it with it was sanctioned it was sanctioned for 70 years ok with the be the exception of the of the time during the 2nd world war you cant use the same paradigm against china one of your largest trading partners and one of the most to keep one of the most important key players in International Trade and in finance and i could go on and on i mean. One point you can have an emotional reaction will make you feel good because of the of failings of your leaders ok fine all right thats so that happens all the time my kids it doesnt america a rational. Agreement but thats what people did ok someone else but if you want to blame china then there are actually implications lately china and retaliation reparations what is that all mean in your mind go ahead. Well its interesting that you are basically right when youre say that there was not march economic interaction between the west and the congress of the soviet war with the north exceptional congress which was a member of the wall the bank even before 989 since the early eightys ironically hungary now is criticized by the European Union if you read the negative i get go see in the European Press the number of negative logical saval of the gary in government is much bigger. Negative i could go to some voluntary of the countries which actually a software the biggest losses you know the most careless countries such as spleen all the u p and the reason these i dont want to call you know the e. U. We just doesnt like the door but the fact that the victor orbited was more effective than Boris Johnson in that in containing the deceased. Its not important what is important is that there are bigger organ is not our guy and Boris Johnson is our guy you know or at least he was until the breaks so basically youre right about china its just amazing how hypocritical of the United States can be criticizing china and you know the. Mr biden and mr trump the require i called food from china well when did the United States provide food your school on the war in iraq won the war zone in syria or in leave the United States did not provide the full disclosure and not oh you know the Washington Post is writing china has pulled out a lot of dahlan on january 23rd and it marshaled resourceless s. All right theyre doing regime can well the huge problem is that the socalled democratic regimes as it transpired simply did not have a lot of course but the will of course but the bats you know the didnt prepare for for anything that they didnt prepare for a war they didnt prepare for an epidemic they just had a minimum of that so that they called extract maximum of my need from the patients and the system groundball yes it could be expecting that but i dont see you bring that even though. Its a really good point because i mean you kind of job here is what your your your your usual mantra which i always welcome on this program about ideology and youre absolutely right but you know what no ones going to deny on this program in our viewers are going to agree china is a very ideological blight but so is the west ok in just in a different way here ok alex and we i mean again the same question to you i mean you know theres this talk of decoupling after 40 years of this globalization with china as a. Ajor partner i mean just get your head around 40 years ago we barely had stacks on china you remember that barely how they were not the boss of the world i mean and now thats because china is a very real peer to the United States to the west its a peer and that is something that no one thought was conceivable 40 years ago now before you went to the question i want to reiterate what you said in your 1st answer this does not absolve china of its behavior before during this crisis here are and everyone should be held accountable and we need transparency here but you know going from challenging their transparency to decoupling one of the Major Economies in the world thats essentially an act of war ok go ahead alex its going to make it an economic problems on top of the Health Crisis that we already have because of course the way you going to deal with both economic problems theres a standing for this Health Crisis and how crisis itself is by putting resources internationally you cant do that if you exclude porteous by some estimates the well by by all estimates the will sink 2nd biggest economy and the worlds biggest manufacturing power and of course a country which hires an enormous Financial Resources but you talk about peter the fact that 40 years ago we barely registered barely registered and thats absolutely true but that of course is the release of what we perceive all these tensions is this enormous roets of china in terms of wealth in terms of power in terms of global reach in terms of attractiveness around the world some things that western governments and western societies on the more ideologically minded people in the west. Had been extremely unnerved by i cant help but think that what has happened is that this particular Health Crisis has acted as a catalyst what. Concerns the are all up to the surface here and thats our main we say this now because yes maybe not using the word concerns but i would say neurosis i think that might be you hurt. Me because the west has never had an international period for 500 years something does not compute people cant understand it here daemon let me go to you before we go to the break here i mean also with the demonization of russia weve had specifically since 2014 but i mean recent phobia goes way way back but me in a policy sense in the saying since 2014 weve seen russia and china become closer together china is now in the hot seat right now being criticized what do you see you see russia and china coming more and more close and this is something that is actually a function of the demonization and the the recent bobbie of the comes out of the west go ahead human. Well im fortunately these. Kind of demonization of what china and russia started it all on a goal before trunking to power up. You know just lets remember the facts you know mr obama when he established that he is a specific quatenus in which then what now we can revolve he excluded china and russia. So it was supposed to be transpacific but somehow it didnt go all over very important country as you know some would say the most important country is on the western side of the pacific. Now missed it by then is is blas didnt draw for raising chinas transparency you know trump said something good about china. When china really is they dont know all their new wireless. You jump in here i have to go have to go to a hard break ok were going to go to short break im out of that short break well continue our discussion on china bashing. Something minimization planted on the stone containing a little spark that sent me i am. Not going to join that i desired to know. How much although the. Local just in the. Live. Show was still. A new prince not just the most noble not on one level so that was too stubborn to teach students. It would just. Seem wrong well we just dont all. Get to shape out just days after. And in the game equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back to cross Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to mind you were discussing china bashing. Ok i want to go back to how it sit in london one of the things i find very very interesting and im actually quite delighted about it is that now this least some elements of the political elites in the west particularly in the United States want to point the finger at china now everyone across the board has to reconsider globalization because this is how we got here ok this is exactly how we got here and and i want to just pick up with something that demon had to say earlier you know its called the pandemic for a reason its cross of the entire world you cant fix a pen demick independently you have to have an International Perspective not a globalist one here but i can hear me its very interesting because over the last couple of weeks in lockdown in warranty and in my own home i brought on a lot of liberal economists and they did get digital you know i started saying well what about you know economic nationalism in the in the what the in the frailties the daily years of globalization what about the renewed attraction of having economic sovereignty everybody starts wiggling into a little bit of us what coming down ok because these are all obvious questions we have to ask go ahead out. Can i just come back to a point that was made before which is of course the democratic societies supposedly have been less effective. In that resort says than supposedly also retired ones that is completely not true that is a complete misunderstanding of Historical Perspective democratic societies used to be extremely efficient at mobilizing resources the reason they are not successful today is because theyve become far less democratic as global oil. Has trade. Powerful financial all the dark is in the way in western societies that are inimical to things like manufacturing. All those can do things and have been using globalization in order to train church their own positions the heart of the world Financial System that huge war globalization is now International Cooperation such as we used to have was saw in states with strong vibrant economies based often on you know use it with Strong Manufacturing base is able to cooperate with each other in a sensible way to deal with joint problems thats what used to happen its become thermal difficult now because globalization has weakened economies and societies and it has also created tension in the International System which had not existed before so that people feel deeply suspicious of each other they are extremely concerned about what you know the United States might be doing what china might be doing in ways which once upon a time would not have a recent global hunch that they should is part of the problem it is why this thing has spread so fast its why this thing its improving so difficult to develop both a coherent reaction at state level and an International Reaction also. You know also its its showing vulnerabilities ok. Its one of the its some of the weaknesses that weve seen in this race every time you know John Maynard Keynes said this is very interesting about the Great Depression when is it when the Great Depression started we started seeing the low. Well of corruption the frailties and the inefficiencies of the market that so many people worship ok that 22000000 people that just applied for unemployment that this was something that had nothing to do with them and theyre going to pay a very high price and im on this program were going to keep an eye on that ok because this crisis is far from over the pandemic may be stomped out and it will be but the economic crisis is going to stay with us and its all because of globalization and we need to have that conversation diva let me go to you because i think its really important to discuss here you know ive seen in American Media people all riled up about whos to blame who needs to pay for this year but theres always the absence of knowledge or introspection is that the Chinese Government has to face its people is well ok and and we you see this war of words on bowl signs you know the thing is something that you and i have noticed living in russia is that you know when john mccain was a lie all he would get up on the stump and he would start saying the worst possible things about russia and then Russian National television which is subtitle it in this is exactly what an american senator says about us and they get right to the audiotape i mean i mean john mccain was one of the greatest soft power tools russia ever act god bless his soul ok but the same thing is happening right now ok when you have just bluster coming out on cable t. V. Its just be they just put it right on to Chinese Television saying this is what they think about us they had human. Lair is another example you know i think there is a logical rivaling making statements about russia just recently in the New York Times there and im the guy pickle. Who deals so well on the war against American Science and in the soft i dont believe its sad that we can actually. Helps brad deadly diseases in the United States well that was too much even for the belly and for once in eternity were dead including the good god for the steel garcia. Yesterdays and you know where taken by the way where getting to know more and more interesting news of all of this to you a dossier you know read by recently published you know that transcripts of the conversations which m. B. Ice Confidential Sources had with papadopoulos actually it provoking him and just saying something bad about russia and making the link between trump and russia which but almost didnt want to make that was there was none but anyway so coming back to what your just said its just amazing and what is very dangerous is that we found out we learn from mr obama that he believes this crap because of amerie tweeted this article headlined would use a lot of war against American Science so if it puts a huge question who was iranian the United States you know a person who can believe such awful crap you know how ill follow dead where obamas decisions on ukraine on syria let me remind you that trump so far has not started a single war a bomb or 2 my mike started 3 in levy in syria and in ukraine. And i agree completely and we said ok. Well i completely agree with alex i think its very important to say that efficiency. Is is not against your will proceed Democratic Congress very very efficient for example during their walled wars you know where you had to drop horse. Bats for the world it now will suddenly the reaches the countries in the world could not put out 100200000 bats thats just its one of the m. Or the amount they did when i come from the u. S. The u. S. Can spend over 700000000000. 00 a year on defense about nonexisting threats but they cant make face masks ok ok go figure all right go figure let me go to let me go to alex here i think that you know again theres the leads particularly in the media and in politics not so much in business because they have such deep ties with china right now thats why i dont think this is going to work because again you can blow off steam and say you know point fingers and makes you feel good but at the end of the day because the financial is a nation of the Global Economy that it was started out in the west here i mean saying youre in bed with the chinese theres an understatement i mean there are so commingled right now the thing any thought of actually decoupling it which i think for Many Industries it should be like then later is why dont you make your own ventilators to protect your own people who want to make your own mask to protect your own people why dont you make your own and i buy audix to protect your own people im not there saying that you know that you should go and have our darkie not at all i just think it has to be done now because theres that localization hasnt been thought out because the profit motive was always 1st and foremost not the protection of publics and voters go ahead now were. I mean id consider that profound because ive thought im here im hearing this from businesspeople there is huge resistance to discuss ideas of decoupling when donald trump was talking a few years ago few months ago about you know american businesses you know ending their connections to china he came up against huge resistance because of course with those businesses has become a very important part of their business i Mean Companies like apple and indeed tesla are heavily involved in the United States because there is the other side which is china itself and i think that one must not underestimate what a profound shock all this anti Chinese Campaign has been on opinion in china itself the chinese have been insulated from this until very recently i used to hear this in chinese you know we manage our relations with the u. S. And the west much more. Effectively than russia has you know why do the russians get themselves into these quarrels with the west weve been able to avoid it now they see that in fact its not russias mistakes that lead to this its very much depends on how the you know what what the dynamics are within western societies and it has come as a profound shock to them and i think the chinese themselves are going to start adjusting their record of this and societies and society from now on to a future where they no longer think of the United States on the west in quite the same way as they did before as a really. Really good point because of the time that ive lived in russia theres been a decent a growing disenchantment with the west ok comparative well though it was in the early ninetys ok and i think that thats going to happen again i mean i you know i look at what are called procedures publications i. I dont want to call them out now because some of the writers i like you know this is president shes greatest nightmare that the communist party of china is teetering no i mean the people of china are rallying around the flag i mean they get it the most simple things wrong like i said when you take this. Rhetoric that demonizes their country and you give it all of them unfiltered you see the obvious result is going to come about they dont want to rally around their people and and and we have much of the same way is blaming outside forces ok and this cuts down dialogue when we need dialogue more than anything else of this well i think the program was launched in the United States a little lower in their National Interest the problem most where you list city is are you or would you be in that sense its very interesting to an interview to the american 6th daycare spectate the u. S. Given by them not only leave me you know the atlanticist french water fire he said that he was already concerned by the fact that you repeat and where were starting to treat and then china is using this crisis to push its nation engendering and of call here was a lot of concern about france wouldnt get powers and people several times more than china and dogs and sometimes more than russia he was concerned by their retreat or his that you all would have any time you hear the last verse in the west talking about values thats what i turn down the volume and change the channel all right gentlemen thats all the time we have left i want to thank my guests in london and in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time remember us not. Johnny has changed Many American lives but pharmaceutical companies have a miraculous solution. 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Or id heard. From. From. Welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central of them this is also u. K. Those Service Forces hotels and the lack of protective equipment and broken promises from ministers as the Prime Minister himself is accused of failing to take the crisis seriously by a Labor Councillor surely. The chancellor she soon x. Coronavirus photos scheme opens as firms try to keep staff on the payroll that says Business Leaders stress any delays and payouts could spell catastrophe. And also the 99 year old world war 2 veteran breaks a record raising over 27000000 pounds for n. H. S. Charities kept until more tells us hes over the moon but the publics response. To. Come forward. Calls. Health Service Chiefs of attack the u. K. Government for shortages and protective gear off to Boris Johnson was accused of missing crucial meetings in the initial stages of the Coronavirus Crisis thats the former Tory Health Secretary calls for Contact Tracing to get the country out of the lockdown he joins me now for more on all of this a major intervention by Health Service leaders. Yeah absolutely weve seen over the course of this Coronavirus Crisis a number of n. H. S. Professionals and frontlines are criticizing the government that this really is quite since donnish an intervention by senior and h. S. Bosses now it comes as the latest daily death toll figures for england and had come in so far today theyve reached 429. 00 not text at the total National Figure for the u. K. Around 16 and a half 1000 people who have sudden lost their lives after being diagnosed as having coded 19 and so with the rising death toll and the number of those being front line stuff at least seen and it just bosses have finally come out and said according to them and the government a failed in their g. T. To provide the necessary equipment from night start need and that includes equipment. Around 80 tons which is expected to have landed in the u. K. Yesterday and still hasnt arrived it would appear that that failure to get that equipment to the front line is the straw thats broken the comes back and these senior chiefs now are speaking out and it comes as a article in a National Newspaper over the weekend stated that see the downing street voices claim Boris Johnson in particular for his failure to plan effectively saying that the Prime Minister finals to attend 5 could or meetings as the meetings the country holds when there is a National Emergency also the Boris Johnson only attended his 1st career meeting around march to seconds now and thats 5 weeks after the 1st reported case of coded in the u. K. The government say that the Prime Ministers have been at the helm throughout the crisis also questions around t. P. A. Again with one report stating that as much as 280000 items have been sent to china when the country of course. I could have done a little on the front line hits but the government say thats not adequate it wasnt from the countrys stockpile for this pandemic and now the country the u. K. That is has state 12000000 items of p. B. S. And so far and also criticism about how quickly the government introduced knock down measures you know a number of opposition figures have been calling for the country to implement lockdown measures as andy is italy had done as of the government say theyve been working day and night to try to fight this crisis now meanwhile out jeremy hunt for my Health Secretary we know that hes been critical throughout this process that to criticize the government about their response to cope with 1000 hes been taking to twitter to stress the importance of tracing who people have been in touch with that tracing that needs to be our next National Mission the countries of the have the biggest success in keeping coronavirus that there are places like korea and germany that have to Start Testing but they use the data from testing to track down people who have the virus people theyve been in contact with in testing which is so welcome this is the way to do it but there have been serious concerns raised around the tactic of track and trace and some saying that its a slippery slope towards violence in peoples Civil Liberties and civil rights is what about just on the chancellors new furlough scheme. Well of course richie sue that is one of those government figures whos really come to the forefront in particular with the Prime Minister century out of action and he was the one whos fronted up at the Daily Briefing the government held there a month ago where he announced a joke retention scheme a photo scheme well mr stener has taken to twitter today to announce that that scheme a month later is now finally being implemented and that the government will be stepping in to help pay peoples wages and that Government Companies can now access and that cash now we know that the retention scheme is aiming to pay a tasty descent old works wages wait sense of workers wages up to a cap of 2 and a half 1000 pounds a month and its understood the governments have set up this system to take around half and 1000000 applications every hour that says hey look what theyre expecting to come in and claims that all those claims for employees must be from before march the 19th so in other words you have been on your companys payroll before that date and so misses and that is expected to lead to governments briefing which is going to take place in a little under an hour where he will let out small details of that scheme but if it does go off without a hitch and companies can access that money will be a huge relief for both employers and employees thanks a lot he said. Well on the shortage is in protective equipment for the health trust boss roy looney told me that hospital staff have been let down and theres simply no excuse for the delays. I think its important to realize that the n. H. S. Is really pretty selfsufficient and it does it i dont presume and shirt most of it stuff Something Like this which is needed on a sort of an industrial scale on a National Scale is being done by the department of health which is of sort of separate entity to national n. H. S. England which is the group that runs the hospitals. And it is important that the hospitals can have confidence in the department of health to deliver what is vital for the frontline to do its job and its clear that theyve been let down their department helsa been let down some its go wrong age how can you lose tons of equipment from turkey i mean anybody who buys anything on amazon knows that you can trace track where your order is an it cant just say holy hasnt turned up by now we should have mobilized every factory and seamstresses that there is in the country to make this stuff for us but what about what about reusing protective equipment in Public Health suggests that can be done. These are able to understand some of the gallons the over gallons a day that doctors nurses use the water repellent now theyre designed to be used for their design for single use now recognizing that there is a Global Supply chain problem the World Health Organization said in extremis that Health System should consider reusing the the water the water proved gallants now there have been some experiments done at washing them at 60 degrees and to see how they how they how are duck and cover the hospitals have been doing that and theyve discovered that you can reuse them however we havent got there we havent got a yet quite go yet who today reusing but in extremist well have to reuse the gowns to discuss the criticism of the government over these failings and Boris Johnsons own role are now joined by Labor Councillor Morris Macleod morris good to see her but the governor has been following the science all along we cant question that. Well we can talk the talk one thing about. I mean more importantly you choose which scientists you want to listen to any given moment. And i think they were what suggested in the sunday times article is is very worried what i will say though is right now i actually dont want the i dont want the government to be on its or in questions about what it what it didnt do back then i want to be making sure people are ok now i think that theres theyve got to begin to ask on now i think i think we need a massive inquiry are 2 words or i said that thats for later but of course there is criticism concerning the presence of the Prime Minister journeys cobra meeting zizi its unusual actually but not imperative that the promise of chairs the man and Boris Johnson is more of a chief exact cast out of leader isnt it it would seem so youre saying in a thats that says israelis about the charisma or in the big vision and they you know battle is that he doesnt seem very dates ill. Personally im not that what about what really went to those meetings or not im i mean what concerns me is what we did in the country to prepare for war what seemed obvious was coming in coming around the corner but the the government and the promise of course faced a bit of a a real dilemma didnt they because they had to put the country into lockdown if they did it too early then the economy would have suffered and it was all about the timing and of course also if the country was put into lockdown to i mean that people might have started rebelling and of course the publics getting pretty restless now isnt it yet that there is a challenge with i mean you know not right marcus later lets not underestimate how difficult a task bases but you know a National Level a local level good very hard thing for governments to be managed in but. I did feel that the original when when when this was wounded it was coming around run called the original d priority response i think the government was the economy and i think thats why. Source that in the way that we didnt close down a bit later than maybe we should. Like to say as i did as i feel i was still a bit out of place making these sorts of points now because right now just get on with get on which fixing things going to right i could get on with fixing things so what you want to see the government there right now than most 1st 1st thought i mean 1st thought make sure Everyone Needs a good p. P. Make sure everyone is protected make sure that people that are going out there risk in you know going out there to make us to keep us well are as safe as possible. The and i are often asked about lets i mean not that as well as that we should be looking at the things that seem to be shown to be work in other countries less than and then all that sort of and weve seen weve seen miles behind on all this sort of thing where you know we do it daily death figure but its kind of guesswork with americans looking about you know can homes and people in their own homes take it to just briefly funny your Labor Council we got kissed on how the new labor leader he brought the being supportive of the government has me do you think we should be seeing more criticism from the Opposition Leader is not bizarre and look like a sleigh now now isnt it not now is the time drizzles that be willing to give or when there is when i think what hes right. To bring up at you know times is using the government still out there is i think hes very right its all about about the pay very arkwrights talk about i dont really heard. Talking say much about what they did or didnt they you know every night in those crucial by weeks are our basic grays going to meet to talk about that i dont think i think of the times i can get exactly right in talking about what the government still needs to be doing and its quite good and more and people slipping through gaps but i think were right to highlight you know people are picked up and hes very schemes Morris Mcleod thank you very much indeed for joining us live here r t k. Thats now i have across the u. K. For the a latest figures. Yes and 451 more deaths of been reported from the home nations today bringing the death toll to just over 16 and a half 1000 an official announcement including confirmed cases is expected later this afternoon the jury todays press briefing the 1st minister Scott Nicholas sturgeons at social distancing restrictions are likely to remain in place for some time to come and a welsh counterpart mark drake criticised the countrys failure to meet its testing targets branding them not good enough. As for the figures from all over the world well according to Johns Hopkins University Almost 2 and a half 1000000 have contracted the disease over 166000 of passed away and more than 630000 have now made a recovery. Still to come this hour. 99 year old war veteran breaks fund raising records off to the races over 27000000 pounds for the n. H. S. Were hearing from captain tom moore himself. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Is youll media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe from. Isolation for community. Are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere. Direct. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or a made in the shallowness. In contrast with the u. K. Which has at least another 3 weeks of lockdown germany is starting to lift restrictions after declaring the outbreak is under control but the economy minister has warned that the measures could be reinstated if the situation deteriorates in berlin the restrictions of course widespread frustration with some people taking to the streets because of the reports germanys minister for Economic Affairs coming out and saying that it showed people stick to those social distancing protocols that are still in place even if they are being eased here then germany could well perhaps avoid a 2nd lockdown he said essentially as long as people dont go running around like headless chickens and immediately back out onto the streets trying to live their lives as they were and things could be ok thats not washing with some though on saturday here in berlin we saw a group of well around 250 people demonstrating against what the current measures that have been put in place and where they see the government here in germany taking us as we try and battle against coronavirus without im here to stand up for my fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution and when the right to demonstrate is taken away and we cannot raise our voices against injustice that makes us take to the streets yard of boats and reduce the spread of the virus isnt that bad the measures that have been introduced arent reasonable yet still our politicians go down the same route and say look down remains in place perhaps right until they have a vaccine the monitoring app is voluntary but well see how it goes of the spike those people being unhappy with whats being done we are seeing an easing of some of the restrictions here in germany from monday some shops that are under 800 square meters will be allowed to gradually open that will be with restrictions on how many people can enter the store there also be hygiene standards that need to be met ormal. Going to schools well were looking at the 4th of may that the moment that is under constant review could well be changed in the future some states though have said they may be on a different timetable in no way is this going to be a a national. Timetable thats laid out for when germany will be reopened market soda whos the head of the state of bavaria has said that his state may well work on a different timeline the message from the government though from the Central Government here in berlin is that this isnt the return to how things were that germans will have to adhere to some more restrictions some more social distancing some more anti corona measures otherwise well things could go right back to square one kind of got onto you to inflict their new guarantees of the infection could keep happening out there also risks and when we take the small steps towards opening up we must keep an eye on the impacts and more the means for a whole system and almost for matters of health the statistics were looking at here in germany is around 150000 confirmed cases of corona virus with around 5000. 00 people sadly having died from the virus its a much better ratio than most other european nations its a much better ratio than much of the comparable nations of a similar Socio Economic background what thats been put down to a lot of is the amount of hospitals in germany the amount of hospital beds available the amount of protective equipment available for those working in hospital environment and the amount of testing that has been carried out here in germany when it comes to the economy though while some are a little more concerned we are expecting perhaps a contract sion of around 10 percent in the German Economy for the 2nd quarter of 2020 what were hearing from the finance minister all at. Scholtz though is that perhaps things could be a little bit improved and couldnt be it could be a little better than that showed the economy kick on in the 2nd half of 2020 however the minister for Economic Affairs peter out myers a little less optimistic than his coalition colleague saying that times are tough and people need to be prepared for that the. German economy is in a more serious situation than anything weve seen since the war including any financial crisis not only are companies suffering losses theyre fighting for survival our hope is that with the help that weve provided we will be able to get through the toughest period of the damage so that we can avoid job losses and bankruptcies all the latest from the World Health Organization is to those countries like germany that are starting to lift some of their coronavirus restrictions saying that people shouldnt think of this as a end to this situation that they should think of this as the next phase of whats happening in that pretty much echoes what we heard from chancellor Angela Merkel when she addressed the german people on t. V. Earlier this month when she said essentially there wont be an end to this or return to normality until we have a vaccine that works this isnt the end of the story when it comes to corona its certainly not even the beginning of the end of the story it could well be the beginning of the next chapter when it comes to how to germany deals with it. And 99 year old war veteran has broken the record on the nation website just giving raising over 27000000 for n. H. S. Charities captain tom moore who is due to turn 100 in 10 days time celebrated his upcoming birthday by doing 100 laps around his gardens setting up a just giving page to handle the nations he quickly broke through his 1000 pound target has also released a hit Charity Single but concerns are being raised over whether the demolition site its. Elf has prompted profited from his exports. Just giving automatically add a one pound contribution fee to donations under 10. 00 pounds over 10 pounds the fee is 10 percent. Requires users to opt out of adding the contribution fee to their donation just giving also charges a processing fee that covers the cost of credit and debit Card Transactions at all this together there are claims that the site could have earned up to 2000000 pounds from the captains campaign however its made 100000 pound the nation itself and says 97 percent of all donations will go directly to n. H. S. Charities. When i spoke to captain tom himself and his daughter hannah about his fundraising exploits and started by asking if he expected to be so successful there were no harm to you do anything. And you know i think youre absolutely marvelous the public come forward. A little cause. You lose some of my. Marbles and what do you put it down to why do you think you yourself have caused such a stir and achieve this incredible achievement so many other people would try to do the same but you captain of dunnit. How. Will. We model who are bad judges mug lovers and treatment command national Health Service i heard a broken in. Skin and nearly sure gotta call the doctors and the nerve the nurses and all know creepily and our service been absolutely magnificent and there were certainly were reasons why so all are going. Through all this money. And maybe actually just jump in there and say that i think that there are several reasons why this happened and what if and yes phenomena i think that in these dark times when so many people up being isolated that there is a real sadness across not only our country but everywhere around the world dealing with this terrible pandemic i think that we are just a regular happy family and we created something that we thought would be small that we fail intended its a 1000 pounds if we done really well to go to the n. H. S. And we share that story we knew we had like a magnificent person doing a magnificent thing coming up to 100 so we shared it and. Surely a lot of the credit you must take yourself because you had to handle this because obviously your dad captain thomas is in huge demand at the moment what about your role in all of this. Well i think that you know im a business person and i want them back to work for 2 weeks we knew that we were sharing we were not ignorant of the fact that we were sharing a lovely story and we did that deliberately because we thought we could make some people happy and raise a bit of money so were not naive we knew that we had something that people might like but we never ever thought in a 1000000 years it would go beyond some some kuwait and terrific local press so we accept and take on our responsibility with Kravitz Hassen and with gravity we we know that we have. Tom has created a beacon of hope in a world that is sad and we know this out pouring of public support is something that we feel responsibility for that we owe the public back in service so we want to continue to try and give the nation a little bit of joy. And we wont stop until they want to stop are so totally not stopping tom are you carrying on walking despite all the money youve raised so far. Yes and we are who so long of those people arent contributing to the list on our continent to continue a war can. Bark recent hold on to those who agree will bill know or decided not to give money more money to this fund and you are a veteran of world war 2 do you think we need a bit of a blitz spirit to get through this dreadful crisis at the moment. You think we need the Police Spirit and well what you spend to get through this terrible crisis you need to get to do you think we need a bit of that spirit you know the world war 2 spirit i think so i think we all need to get together because law and were all in this together no one is a moon from list invisible. Army is were tracking grizzle the moment. Everyone uneasy. Brussel down the disarray how to do and really war times the innocent something we all need to do and do it cheerfully because at the end and we think we all turned out alright im talking about bringing positive spirit during wartime do you feel about knocking Dame Vera Lynn off the top of the i tunes chart. How do you feel about knocking the really you know off the top of the charts well. Never ever thought i would do anything right this because of high regard clinton damned bilin records. Were in there was a time when i was in in burma burning a truck young lady came down a bit to the lunar rover in the firing line turned out to do a little then so are all low were knocked off the top im sure and there are but up and and just finally what do you make of calls for you to be knighted for your efforts. Think this is rather little earth musician a group was dancing were never i dont think were a minute now it will. Grow not to say that almost more but dont hold your breath before the founders. With more news and all of aces from the governments daily chronic Coronavirus Press briefing will be just just over half an hour from now. Seemed wrong. But. Just dont call. Me. Yet to say palin disdain because thats ok and in the game and because the trail. When something is find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. But. For years i had treated patients with heroin addiction with high dose methadone which is the appropriate treatment and so. I was thinking well i see how well that works for all these people and they dont tend to overdose on it or have a lot of side effects or have any problems so why wouldnt that be fine for pain patients i do recall individual young man who had a rough go early in life who had some problems that all ism was in elko recovery he had a number of back surgeries and i was in the middle of a tapering course switched him over to methadone from his other drug to ease his taper and using misguided conversion tables