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Taipei hasnt missed any time so this blaming china reparations you know maybe we could start at the beginning you know theres 3000000 dead people in Southeast Asia because of this flying off the aircraft carriers in the South China Sea and by i mean vietnam we could start with reparations there one 3rd of laos has so Many American bombs on it they can even use it i mean lets get real and lets Work Together as a world here. You know well that would be great and that would be the most important takeaway from this pandemic is to Work Together but what weve seen is just the opposite weve seen its every man for himself and thats very disquieting brad let me come to you. Its part of my profession i watch a lot of american cable news and look at the major broadsheets and number one their knowledge of china is very very poor this gives me an opportunity to plug james his book here which is very very good on the china mirage but you know it seems to me that again you know theres a great deal of buyers remorse per globe the globalization of the last 40 years because it was supposed to be china was supposed to become like the United States thats what i said. Other mirage all right but china braced globalization and unashamedly was china 1st because theyre a sovereign nation and they think theyve been and they pursued their National Interests here and now just because they have a large trading relationship to be United States why should they compromise their sovereignty because they dont go ahead brown. Yeah i think thats definitely true but i think we have like 4 or 5. Kind of further. Thanks i think its definitely true that the west europe we have a problem earthman our. Capital economy d they propagate capital. Capital and are able prop from. That if they take this effect apatow capital thing and whatever there were to come out of that certainly thats fact. This i think it works perfectly as designed they fall short term profit thats exactly what they wanted thats exactly whats happening. But the relationship that china has especially with the people with the economy that it has the markets the time they have a different relationship and a different social contract with their people and of course its not driven by this. Profit 1st mentality that have like the communist party china has a credible political will send best and Sustainable Human Development to the public infrastructure. And so the relationship but china projects whereas the u. S. Has wanted to not exporting capital and draining resources from the peripheral nations back to the fact the United States what people call serialism united as their relationship to china has of the world its its qualitatively different from it in that people cooperation just so happens that this is usually to the benefit of a nation but then ill give you one example people like to say that time is also engaging in imperialism by investing in other countries. I think you could say to some extent for example when i was in south america you could see some of the investments ecuador both a. B. M. But for example when im around the president of bolivia they were trying to do German Companies sign invest and listen deposits and in bolivia and i think the race that they were going to if the believe in it people would say ok well file the resources 7 or whatever percent. Bolivia was able to negotiate up to the company the chinese will give you like 51 percent. And you know people paired with one for. Air quality. For facts of life fairly private. For the federal elections. They were advocates of its a very good example because that is and that is an economic trade interest its not necessarily a geo political one and thats a great deal of american trade is geopolitically driven ok but as quantitatively different you know james one of the things i find very methodically over the last few months is that the American People have rediscovered been told that its a communist country and conjuring up the cold war again as it is as an enemy but you know most of the pundits on t. V. Are stupid and they dont know much about history whatsoever and they even know less about china but during the cold war 2 the west had very little if very very little trading trade with the soviet union and now you have a completely different reality where we found out how interdependent or even dependent in one direction when it comes to Like Pharmaceuticals that the United States is dependent so i think you see them with this kind of. Very hardcore rhetoric on one side but the reality is that were hooked at the hip you feel like it or not or if you dont like it the costs are prohibitively high and no ones really thinking that out at least in the media go ahead james. Well ive thought it out how to get to the bottom of this you know globalization crime now that were. You know surveilling americans we can go into their homes and we could look like behind their t. V. s that says made in china we could look at all of the products that theyve gotten and we could trace that back to where they got it we could go right to walmart you know talk to the law and family about this globalization i mean im joking but weve benefited tremendously its been a Great Partnership and its i mean my book is called the china. A mirage in theres a mirage america went into this as we always do with china over hundreds of years you know well just get involved with china will send our missionaries whether theyre religious or whether theyre capitalists and chinas going to work with us and then theyll become more like us theyll get rid of that emperor or theyll get rid of that communist party and then all chinese you know want to grow up and be a little democrats like us and then now you see in the press we tried we would put china in they didnt become more like us well. You know china is going to be china us is going to be us but we can reach across the pacific in a different way than we are now. You know rabidity it all started out with the missionaries and i still think that that missy on a mission is still there and western leaders are so disappointed that they dont they dont bend in to bend history in our direction and im often told by the chinese themselves is that its not the emergence of china its the return of china and its rightful place in the International Order and that is something washington elites just cannot comprehend go ahead brad. You know them are the Great American. Earth kind of america. That michael ware of and i think you really think that our Great America and i think thats. Emerged how from. Europe or America Public right now where abouts. Probably too much think the governments going to have a press conference right now and announce that were going to have. The measures lifted and get back to normal life and this is the small part to air bridge that we were able to set up here talking to them 8150000. Rapid test. I think they sent all about 122000000 dollars worth of which were the major ports some of that was donated from different people some of most of it was purchased because the 100 branches might be been here brad if i could jump in here thats a trojan horse that would thats what were told in western media to dru sjodin the horse ok. Ok time we not true. But for mike they think its a trojan horse but as i said most of its so good and within kind of Strings Attached and if theres any kind of like. The failure thing there would be you could say Times Companies are trying to profit by raising. Those discovered capitalism that people profit off its ok lets let thing is that you know i think he thats. A as a trojan horse for geopolitics its like really to send project force like you know the chinese are going this is europe now i dont think this is interested and then step of think the chinese understood that mutual cooperation its beneficial. And the americans when they help build the crizal europe out of the 2nd world war with marginally other stuff. They obviously had your political interests there and i think that theyre thinking what my friends are for because called world war see now from the fire its. Like people are saying that this is the same kind of thing is that the marshall a is a political interest and helping make sense and its actually like a qualitatively different thing to state that the countries are different societies are different the people are different totally different they are time makes the difference. There. Are after all. James that brad brings up such a good point because it really it really hurts the American Pride particularly American Pride when when you when you look at you know Eastern Europe you know nato countries have accepting aid programs from china because brussels we either dropped the ball in the beginning of all this or became indifferent or didnt have the resources to help wanted their e. U. Member countries or a nato country that really hurts a lot of pride in washington 20 seconds before we go to the break go ahead james it looks a lot of pride in washington and were not looking east and theres something to learn from the east as i say my my friends in taipei are are Walking Around freely no work or is gone they didnt have to close the economy we can learn ok we can learn that not gentlemen were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on u. S. China relations facing our. Yes the. Most. One else chose seemed wrong all right old bolts just all the old to get to shape out just to become educated and in game treatment equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Join me every thursday on the all excitement and ill be speaking to get a feel of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Thinking of getting a new book on the ones we got our shoes from rob was as he didnt know until he was traveling this time he will wired how much were going to need to create with him he will stir reaching out and she will want to bring him anywhere near and thousands of greeting dogs or caged in inhumane conditions on puppy farms i mean 67 years you know theyve been locked up in cages outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the cold air the rain the snow the funder nothing they have no protection. Because you. Know its ok. Across the u. S. Cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies are coming from these large Scale Factory farming kind of operations are being sold in stores even joined a good businesses are involved like agoa mom santa there has been a shocking amount of the organizing opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial rating for so many most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural rooms and industries that have nothing to do with dogs dont buy dog on a hearty. Welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered im hearing about remind you were discussing u. S. China relations. Ok let me go back to james in new zealand again its go back now we started out the program of washington threatening china with consequences what does that really mean because after 40 years of coupling as they like to use the term interdependency and lead to states that the the the vast majority of americans like inexpensive goods that are in produce or are being produced in china because chinas think patrick in the world that its not being made in the United States are right and that is an achievement of globalisation i would agree hundreds of millions of people have been pulled out of poverty thats a good thats a plus as well however when we get to this pandemic and things go wrong you have to blame someone so is this process of decoupling going to be can become a reality and do you really think you really think business elites in the United States are going to go along with it sure theyll wave the flag and theyll point fingers and all that but theyre not going to pull their factories out ok theyre going to continue in that welcome its the bluster thats coming from members of the Political Class they want some kind of revenge for their own failings so i mean i cant conceivably seen the kind of decoupling that the rhetoric at it is and is reflecting at this moment go ahead james well lets talk about that revenge with the Political Class about 6 years ago a u. S. Representative told me on the site you know if we thought we could be china i think the whole house of representatives would vote for war with china the good news is Donald Trumps a businessman and he has to reopen the economy and im told that within the white house theres the vision you know Peter Navarro would like to china any day of the week but trump has to reopen an economy and china is the number 2 economy and thats it so were. Going to be making up with china through donald trump but the noise is this americans spend about 50 percent of their taxes on the military and a big chunk of that goes to the u. S. Navy and the u. S. Navy needs an enemy in the enemies china and not only is the enemy china its a high tech enemy you know vietnam was a Profit Center for a lot of companies and china this is satellites this is missiles taking off from nevada going all the way to the Marshall Islands this is qualm in korea an open nala with with high tech raytheon lockheed equant so preparing for war against china preparing for war against china is extremely profitable. You know it brad in that james brings up the great paradox here because its much as the Political Class and particularly members of the on the media want to bash china china is absolutely necessary to the United States in so many different ways 1st of all in trade in and cheap in in ever better quality goods i would even say but the pentagon debt desperately needs china as an enemy because and then if it doesnt have a reason really to exist outside of that ok and its very interesting it was in that in the early part of 2017 that the the defense posture of the pentagon they shifted from the war on terror to a more traditional great power struggle and china and russia were put into that category so again russia saves the day for the pentagon ok and china is also playing that role when you can you cant square the circle then i mean because in either you know there are an enemy and you dont trade with them or youre an enemy and you do trade with them what happens how are you going to explain that you cant and you can explain the unexplainable there go ahead brian. Yeah i mean i think. About the whole business of Political Class like that 2016 election that took trump to our it shows that there is a clear like divide between the american Political Class which i would say that political and Business Class are basically the same United States but you have you have one its that attached to classical neo liberalism in that you have one thats like the new trump people they see america 1st kind of protectionist policy and when obama did his pivot towards asia i think this was. As professor albert mccoy it said it was actually kind of geo politically genius to box in china and lynch from got rid of this and then started. Feuds with every mike nation in Asia Pacific Region Australia Japan and korea this is like a very serious threat in. Gave china so much more credibility its allowed them to flourish even more and of course it gets in line with this objective of america 1st because i think the United States realizes that their time at the top is done and they have to decide whether theyre going to thrash around and try to maintain that in a neoliberal sense or theyre going to. You know go the traditional traditional protectionist route the train would like to go yet at the same time i think he doesnt actually understand how do you how to do that because he said hes doing the classical great power thing so i linger around and i think were seeing the United States is no pun intended gasping for breath right now and then jim political sense. Yeah i think thats a good point to be in james because i think when so fundamentally missed in the media is that this is a civilizational challenge ok something we havent seen the west doesnt seem for 500 years and the real problem is that its not its not trade at all its actually not even. A military confrontation at the very core of this is recognizing that the United States as a leader of the west has an International Peer and and coming to it when we come to that realization its a wake up call it something that my generation your generation never thought was possible and now it is it has come to us and it is very obvious and and the washington consensus cant conceive of a peer but actually you can take. This is a virtuous situation because when you have a peer then you can start creating the terms of engagement where we want to avoid conflict we need to see each other as an equal peer and that would be a process in which you can read that down tensions now once you know washington isnt there yet and i think there are people in washington really actually know that but its politically very difficult to say and thats going to be squaring the circle for them because china is not going to go away as many back when he can make the claims china will come out stronger after all of this go ahead james. A lot of the. Viewers to read Michael Klare last name k. L. A. Are the war with china were already there. Yeah weve decided that china cannot be appear that the u. S. Has to be number one the problem is chinas leapfrogging ahead with all the futuristic technologies while weve been debating impeachment and doing other important things so were falling behind and then we have a military establishment with tremendous amount. Of money and technology i was out in micronesia a couple months ago there bill were barely imagine a line from hawaii to the philippines those sound like words get out a globe and look what that means hawaii to the philippines were talking billions and billions of dollars im in my kidneys and for the 1st time in history the 5 president s of these micronesia nations are in the oval office with an american president meeting with donald trump why for the 1st time in history because were going to spend billions and billions of dollars to james on food and innovation dominic what viewers understand that because the mention online did nothing to protect france in june of 1940 when it was invaded so i can use that and intentional. Reference because the National Line was essential and illusion it didnt say france is this its a measure its a new form of that same National Lying measure a lie and cause a lot of money yeah you could look at that and it down there are a threat or you could look at it as a Profit Center the i stayed in one of the best hotels in guam they put me up there to shoot a documentary and nobody could afford this wonderful private dining room wood paneled wine and everything until the u. S. Navy came and you know at a party which trip i mean were talking about liberals of money preparing in every different way satellites and ships and missiles you know this is high tech preparing for war against china im not saying were going to war but theres a lot of money involved here. You know randi how do you see the u. S. China and china relations moving forward at least over when say the next year because the pain in the wake of this pandemic within the United States could be horrific i mean of depression magnitudes of particularly in unemployment and nobody really has any idea at this point the consequences of this were talking about the stresses of the people how when it comes you know losing your job mortgages student loan payments i mean its a cascade effect meaning its happening now the pain demick will long be gone and well still be dealing with the economic woes that are that the result of this interruption of the economy that is going to be cannon fodder for her anxiety and to blame someone in obviously the media and members of the Political Class want to point to china how do you see this happening over the next year or so. I think its really hard to know honestly i mean this is this is this administration i think its its always really pointless to to look at youre going to your political opponents or people that you disagree with and say that is crazy because that you know this is a way to get legitimate did legitimize a lot of the policies that people put forward the United States always does this but i think we really are seeing like a historically. Serious case of history or the trauma ministration is totally out there and they have no idea where theyre going changing every day the people around him there are changing to an every day i mean this is what i saw last night and you guys watched the Trump Press Conference yesterday but it was also it was absolutely bizarre the way he had this like randomly put together clips of the media and by the way i want to say its not even just china that he is attacking i think the other day he attacked half a dozen Media Outlets in a one day on twitter fox is that you know he was he was betting fox news his his. Little allies is best in the Democratic Party everybody everybodys getting some of this but this is only going to china you know the sad part about this is that this is actually a popular issue now is that even democrats this is like 80 percent issue is now controlled the conversation very well trampas and now 80 percent of americans Something Like that really actually believe the china that as part of this issue what it might what i would call them is that hes in Campaign Mode and hes not really dealing with a visit peter because my grandmother was out of time i hear him on janes going to give you 20 seconds of people show up i had james 20 seconds brad said even democrats i mean baracoa brother kicked off the war with china down in australia in front of the parliament with the pivot to asia it isnt even democrats china is the enemy we love the hate we can all get behind that for were 4 years this is an old current in American History and we need to put an end to it already gentlemen thats all the time we have here i want to thank my guests in prague and in new zealand and were going out and thank our viewers for watching us here at r. 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Were live from Central London welcome to our viewers from around the world were just waiting for the governments daily Coronavirus Press briefing that will be coming your way in just a few minutes from now meanwhile the headlines this hour. The government promises to ramp up coronavirus testing in care homes amid fears the disease is running wild among residents and staff we hear from a representative for the care sector. And he will interrupt the headlines now if we can the cost to the governments daily briefing. Good afternoon and welcome to the downing street daily Coronavirus Briefing im joined by the chief medical officer professor chris witty and deputy chief scientific advisor Angela Mclean i want to start by thanking everyone who is staying at home even in this sunshine together we are slowing the spread of this virus and i want to pay a special tribute today to captain tom moore who at the age of 99. 00 has raised over 7000000. 00 pounds so far for n. H. S. Charities by completing 100 laps of his garden captain tom youre an inspiration to us all and we thank you. At the core of our plan is to protect the n. H. S. From being overwhelmed so its ability to care for everybody who needs that care is always there. And is never out matched by the ability of the virus to do us harm. That is central to our plan and im glad to say that the Spare Capacity in Critical Care in the n. H. S. Today has reached a new record high of 2657 thats expanding the n. H. S. Faster than the growth in demand has been a critical objective throughout this crisis and it means that every Single Person whos accessed and has cat has been able to get the very best available at no point has the n. H. S. Been unable to offer care to people suffering from coronavirus now i know at the start of this crisis some people said that would be impossible but so far weve met this objective throughout and i want to thank all those involved for their part in this national effort. On the most recent figures 313700 69 people have now been tested for corona virus of these 98476 people have tested positive the number of patients in hospital with symptoms is now 9005291286 extension 8 people have sadly died an increase of 761. This all just goes to show why we cannot let up in our efforts we cannot let go of the hard work thats been done so far this shared sacrifice and i know its a sacrifice is starting to work but we will not lift these measures until it is safe to do so. Everyone who stays at home is doing their bit protecting the n. H. S. And saving lives but while everyone else stays at home to save lives our Health Care Workers go out to work to save lives and today i want a to focus on social graph i want to set out the next steps in our action plan for social care that were publishing today from the moment of the emergence of corona virus weve known that some of the most vulnerable to this disease are in social care and weve been taking action right from the start we 1st set out guidance back in february and today i can tell you what further steps were now able to make our goal throughout has been to protect residents and to support our 1500000 colleagues who work in social care weve injected an extra 1600000000 pounds and as the chancellor said we will do whatever it takes this is our plan 1st and foremost. From the start we focused on the need to control the spread of infection in social settings today we strengthen the rules so that all care home residents who are discharged from hospital will be tested before being admitted into their care whom will test all symptomatic care home residents and as i announced last friday weve introduced testing for all social care colleagues and members of their household who meet who need a test at the same time were increasing again p. P. Supplies to social care were creating a supply logistics and Distribution Network of unprecedented scale building on the p. P. Plan i set out on friday over the next 3 weeks will continue priority drops to the local resilience forums who distribute to the social care system according to local need while we roll out our new online Delivery System for social class settings this will be integrated with the n. H. S. Supply chain central p. P. Just School Operations with kit shipped directly to social care providers via the royal man all of this will contribute to slowing the spread of coronavirus within caverns i want also to enhance support for our social Care Workforce one of the things that im most proud of during this terrible crisis is that people have held health and social care workers in such high esteem across the board its not clap for the n. H. S. Its clap for our cameras. And to take this further were today introducing a single brand for social care to symbolize the entire care profession this is something i know so many people in the profession have called for this badge will be a badge of honor in a very real sense allowing social care staff proudly and publicly to identify themselves just like n. H. S. Staff do with that famous blue and white logo i know that many businesses will want to offer the same recognition and benefit benefits as they do wonderfully to the n. H. S. Weve asked the supermarkets to confirm that social care workers can have the same priority access and i know that the public value your work in care as much as i do i also know that we need more people to return to social care or choose to serve for the 1st time to make that happen were strengthening our National Recruitment campaign with the aim of recruiting tens of thousands more people into social care and we will pay for the initial induction training this is a job where you have the chance to make a difference to peoples lives every single day that you go to work and ive seen as im sure weve all seen the amazing efforts of good social care ive seen it with elderly members of my own family ive seen the tenderness and the dedication and with which people in social care support our loved ones at their time of greatest need everyone knows the job isnt easy whether supporting people of working age who are some of the best vulnerable in society all supporting people and their families with dignity at the end of their lives but i know what i thought filling profession it is and i know that many will answer our call. Theres one other thing and one other change i want to make which is giving people the right to say goodbye one of the important things that care homes do is support people at the end of their life sadly even in normal times each month about 10000. 00 people die in care homes. And our social care colleagues work incredibly hard to ensure support for people and dignity to people at the end of their lives wanting to be with someone you love at the end of their life is one of the deepest human instincts and its a moment that will be with you youve ever done right it can help those left behind to cope and it brings comfort to those who are dying. Coronavirus of course has made this much more difficult and ive been really moved and upset by some of the heartbreaking stories of people dying without a loved one nearby as a father of a 13 year old myself the reports of ishmael dying aged 13 without a parent as his bedside made me weep and the sight of his coffin being lowered into a grave without a member of his family present was too awful. So im pleased to say that working with Public Health england the caste sector and many others we are introducing new procedures so we can limit the risk of infection while wherever possible giving peoples closest loved ones the chance to say goodbye. And were making Crystal Clear that it is unacceptable for advance care plans including do not attempt to resuscitate orders to be applied in a blanket fashion to any group of people this must always be a personalized process as it always has been. I want to end by addressing kerrys directly as much as the doctors the nurses the paramedics you are on the frontline in this battle i want to thank you for your courage and your commitment for doing paid or unpaid formal or informal the work that you do difficult demanding vitally necessary and you do it with such love and care and attention. Taking on the extra shifts that might be needed to fill the gaps left by self isolating colleagues juggling your own caring responsibilities very often providing dignity and comfort to people in some of the most difficult circumstances we as a nation stand with you. And i say to everyone watching. You can stand with our carriers to. By staying at home to protect the n. H. S. And protect social cat and save lives. Here is a power to the Health Secretary matt hancock there giving the governments daily Coronavirus Press conference and. Its alley is with me here in the studio been listening to all of that so hes a man hancock seemingly reacting to the concerns of charities and social can provide is absolutely the Health Secretary the beginning with a update of the death figures sadly 761 people dying in the most recent 24 hour period that takes the death toll of those who have tested positive with covert 90212868 across the u. K. And he also took the opportunity to announce a number of steps or measures the government was taking with regard to social care it includes ramping up testing all social care home residents to be tested before they admitted to a home care was to be tested those showing symptoms to be tested they also increased the number or the amount of p. P. E personal protective equipment for carers working in those homes also announce the rolling out of a little bag for those social care workers so that they can be recognized both socially but also in cases for example in supermarkets where and they chose workers or to get priorities so that social care workers too can access those he increased the amount of training and also recruitment of new stuff giving people the right to say goodbye to their relatives before their death by writing out some measures that he says would also limits the spread of the virus but would also allow people to spend those precious last few moments with those who have passed away as well as changes to do not resuscitate rules now we know the government have been under pressure when it comes to these issues of testing so im out hancock will be hoping that all of those issues will answer some of the criticism when it comes to the social care. Sects and now it comes as the other nurse the office for National Statistics and as of now is that 217 people have died in care homes up to the date of april the 3rd now of course that was 12 days ago and these are the latest figures that we have the ins releasing those figures every 7 days so those real numbers the actual numbers of those who have died in care homes expected to be significantly higher and weve also been hearing from the medical director of Public Health in the long doyle who says these type of figures shouldnt be released weekly but more often than not should be released daily. We are working with you and us to actually speed up so that we do get quicker information as you knew the daily deaths we would very much like to have its a bit more complicated for care homes because although over 9 out of 10 deaths sadly do occur still in hospital in the community theres a range of places where they occur including in care homes but not just there in hospices and at home indeed as well and in these very dispersed systems we just need to be absolutely clear that the cause of this is a tribute is correct and that is what takes time on the death certificate to get it right but we would like to have much more rapid and preferably on a daily basis and thats what were working towards. Any word on when the lockdown could be ended no official word yet but we are under the we do understand that there will be an update released tomorrow its expected that the government will and out an extension of another 3 weeks to the lock down taking us up to may the 7th and that would be in line with what weve seen coming out of Northern Ireland where are they are in foster is it out that they 2 of them or the large studies will be extending their lockdown for a novel 3 weeks meanwhile the leader of the opposition dharma hes announced that hes asked the government to release their exit plan for the lock down that he doesnt want a date or fix end point but he says we need to have an understanding of exactly what the exit plan would be is it going to be the gradual opening of schools or universities are people going to be able to open their businesses again weve seen warnings from Economic Experts that the governments measures have contributed to what could be one of the worst economic downturns weve seen for many years but weve seen number 10 quoting the chief medical officer chris which hes saying that it wouldnt be wise to discuss any exit plans while were still waiting for the peak of this up. To be reached he said thank you very much for all of that so now for more on the concerns expressed by those working in the care sector im joined by chair of the National Care so sure ssion not to arm have not drug thank you very much indeed for joining us now you heard the health argument hancock there saying the governors doing all it can to protect those in care homes what do you make of that. But i think theres some interesting measures that hes announced today. Including the call for more more start which really is something that weve been asking for for a long time at the end of last year we had a hunch entrenched 2000 vacancies in our 6th term in additionally he said the government im sure he said the government would pay for that induction training which which will be a very positive mean i think the testing we had signs of that this morning and its important that we have the testing and weve been calling for this for some time now so its really very very welcome and i think what we now need to know is that the rollout is going to be quite quick so that were not waiting and in addition to the testing just interrupt he said also comes to all it can to protect the workers in care homes and of course there is a major issue about protective equipment including. Yes there is i mean the the measures around p. P. Just seem to rumble on and there is still a shortage and you know you know when youre hearing that other countries are sending us. Equipment you know that there is a shortage of and the problem we have is a sector is that everything is being sent straight to the n. H. S. And we understand why that is because obviously they are also front line and needing it but we also need it in our in our services because we want to protect our star well theyre very precious theyre very hard work so one of the staff doing in order to protect themselves they can have the correct equipment with the providers that are so sick them and they also will sing them and theyre paying through the nose for the you know that the supply and demand scenario has actually rocketed the prices we as an association are actually sourcing different suppliers and sending that out to our members so that they can start to look accessing them at reasonable im trying to say or how do we wait im sorry to interrupt but weve heard of one care home pay nearly 1000000 pounds in palms for a week supply of this protective equipment to sort of cost could actually force some care homes to Close Community absolutely i mean and that was one of our member homes say they spent spent just under 1st because they had 6 people with 19 in there and ive had another provider whos just you know whos told me that they spent 40000 pounds theyve got 3 or 4 hard. That is not sustainable and i think thats the bit that we need to get across in and i think you know we went got to be careful because people have this is some shit that care providers obviously have very exorbitant fees or whatever that might be the reality is local Authority Funding for Care Services has been 10 percent below what it should have been. So what were looking at less than 4 pounds an hour is what what what. Theyre probably have the right to eat that our rights are just one final question for you and briefly if you dont mind if you answer this it has sadly become clear that deaths in care homes have been omitted from official figures so that our concerns of a growing Health Crisis in care homes what is the situation audra. The reality is that they will be a lot of deaths in care homes some of them will be expected deaths and some of them will be belated 90 but theres no doubt some will be accelerated because of this fire its not a great to talk to you thank you very much indeed and wish all your members everybodys working so hard all the best of luck thank you not on a. Another potential tool in the fight against viruses the creation of rollout of antibody tests the test detective somebody already recovered from the virus and therefore could now be immune however the development of such a test in the u. K. Has been held up a shortage of blood samples from those who have recovered is in part due to the british outbreak still being in its early stages one it can take several weeks for patients to develop immunity questions also surround the chances of re infection and how long immunity to the disease last after a person recovers a woman whos paving the way for the rollout of such tests as professor carol sykora he joined me earlier and he said watching what happens in countries further ahead in the pandemic is a good step moving forward. Weve heard about the tests for the virus usually you know the swab or throat swab these tests a finger prick of blood or sometimes include the innocent removal from an elm they collect the blood take it to the lab the kit form of the test can be done low can it point to ketch as you can call them done within 15 minutes you get a readout on the strip and just like a pregnancy test the question is their reliability and the brill problem were screening all ostroff we run a series of tents the centers we screening or last off to try and find out what the prevalence of having had the virus is now the pandemic is about 4 to 6 weeks old the problem is the antibody response takes about 4 weeks to actually go to the top of its peak and it lasts for about 2 or 3 weeks of the chop then it falls its enormously variable both on the strength of the response and the timing of that response so all the world says what its like a pregnancy test thats pretty all or nothing this is not this is much more subtle we want to find out home and if astafy have got antibodies thats means they had to curve it and this safe to go back to our thats a point theyve had it and theyre safe to go back to work and yet we have seen reports of people can get the virus a 2nd time and that the antibodies may develop but in fact not for very long. Exactly and so what were doing what people around the world are doing using these kits in situation by austria were following for European Countries that yesterday morning came partially out of lock and a slow progressive way young people small shops Small Businesses open 1st keep the vulnerable elderly secluded then gradually go through it all Schools Primary School was 1st then secondary schools then universities going up the age spectrum and studying what happens both to the virus and to the immune response to the virus and i think the combination of that data will guide us were about 2 to 3 weeks behind in the cycle of the pandemic compared to germany compared to austria Czech Republic so well watch what happens there with great interest monitor it and then we can adapt to any idea when we might see a return to what we might call as normal that we have a return to normal so Sage Scientific Advisory Group on emergencies meets today and tomorrow or tomorrow theyll have to make a decision with ministers having sifting through the evidence i do that will be conclusive theyll say sometime in the next 3 to 4 weeks id like to see it i would say 2 weeks from now monday the 27th of april that would be reasonable to aim for lets give people optimism we can always pull back if the data look bad we say ok sorry people were going to have to wait another week. More news after a short break. Join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you. As a warning that war torn countries such as yemen face 2 emergencies a humanitarian crisis and the impact of the Coronavirus International rescue Committee Says insufficient Health Care Hygiene the conditions of my lack of clean water make simple measures to contain the disease almost impossible activists are calling on governments to act now while conflict affected countries are still in the early stages of the bars others blame arms manufacturers for fueling conflicts from war torn countries such as yemen and as a result worsening humanitarian crises for more on this im joined by andrew smith from campaign against arms trade andrew hello to you your organization has been highlighting the plight of yemen for a long time now were seeing 2 emergence is unfolding. Well the yemens actually seeing 3 emergencies because theres also the potential i dont beat her colon yemen as well which has been warning about for months but if you manage here in crisis was already the worst and world before it was coronavirus detected and World Health Organization has warned it because be an explosion of cases in the days and weeks ahead and unfortunately yemens Health Care System has been largely destroyed in the war and that has left the country particularly vulnerable to in a creek and the people particularly vulnerable tonight big and its not just bill lack of Healthcare Facilities its been a lack of clean water facilities and sanitation because one doesnt just kill people directly through bombs or doesnt just kill people in explosions and prefer fighting of guns it also kills people very slowly in the brutal humanitarian ways which river is in yemen where its unsteady or its in any other conflicts or will things change. Short of the wall wont be ongoing jury this crowd of arse and. Who not there are some reasons to be cautiously optimistic sadia regime has announced but its going to clear that its to clear the unilateral 2 week cease fire in this particular war if you have been so many false dawns been so many broken promises and papists isnt even the 1st ceasefire thats been in ones since the threat of coronavirus emerged there was a number 6 baronets 2 weeks ago actually lasted 24 hours which we have to hope that this one holds we have to hope that its a platform through which change can really be built on but other governments have little to play in this is well those who are providing arms where britains big u. K. Government army. Recruits there. Presumably Iranian Forces had been arming hooty as well as arms sales need to stop from the u. K. As a major it will because its going to meet your supplier great no u. K. Made greater jets bombs and missiles are sitting with saudi forces do you keep government must use its position in the world stage to call for meaningful cease to call for a long term cease fire and meaningful political dialogue andrew thank you very much advice thanks for joining us live here not underestimate and thats it for the moment more news in half an hour from now. The world is driven by a dream shaped by one person with those great. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Yes. Sir. Ill call them out as you. Listen. Enough funding the could only come out sooner than another 3 small. Constituents through the 100 feet to the north on board because to do things my own stuff to do this was just this whole thursday. Who wanted to. Make an e. C. V. Who in the keys to the phone and they can he she showed anything open even threw a fit place it says he killed the lawn then room to do this tumult and wanted to shoot with. Drool walk to see the next. Movie sit. These sit days