Its difficult to come out on the streets because the nature of this epidemic but i think what the epidemic actually teaches us is that the system under which we live is a sound belief lot. And it does not alter the worlds future that is worth living to boarded at its heart i mean the notion well is the only do not in nature so to prove the earth. And then to this day and wealthy people will get their way. By saving their lives so i dont write to them but what about the restaurants the work so i teach the new liberal capitalist system which has been in full snow expected at least since the eightys. Charmed since the ninetys of the last so you treat me. To be dismantled all the countries there are seriously attempting to come to grips with this epidemic i mean macro in france was korea it was election is based on making france to be near liberal state has now been forced to reverse all that and offering d to pay the utility beers council tax look you know people not so well off except for shows that deep down this entirely oh through worse wage doesnt the western world are aware that the system which theyre being defended and supporting doesnt work for a majority of people thats the lesson to be graunt of to the wires as being tackled there and surely if i may just say one of the countries that are shown no panic because it is bad for these claims is the tiny island of cuba where cruise ships which are not allowed to land anywhere on joc anywhere are jocking even cuba being greeted by the population most all and are to be greeted by their doctors and the cubans are sending free medicines all over outstrip them now that is them all whereas in the west this didnt come to site rather to maintain sanctions against iran or venezuela which is totally and completely discussed stick then this is still going on when those in the higher world is facing this crisis in fairness to morris johnsons Foreign Office and a stand that the British Government have thanked the cuban government for taking the ship the braemar into port but certainly no condemnation from here about the u. S. Sanctions on the island i want to get on to some of those other issues a bit later and todays anniversary of the iraq war but youre also a novelist and putting your novelist hat on how do you. Eric ries near liberal culture and art given the fact that most peoples cultural imagination of a pandemic is really from hollywood and from films that what we have to go on well i mean you know its lost both of the culture today obviously is dominated by a form of neo liberalism which ill courage is individualists some of the most grotesque sort of you know this and the worship of 1st celebrities that someone extremely well known on television or a very strong. Actor is almost greeted as a god and this is really deep deep you know become much much worse over the last 30 to 40 years so this. Proves various people almost not completely from thinking collectively and actually its not tell by the technology i think that the old internet revolution that mistake in place encourages individual ism of course it needs i mean the number of people you run into on the buses all the tubes are on pavement so even on their bikes they are see you know from the noises of the real world if i can put it like that their eyes sealed off from what is going on around them because theyre concentrating on ones that are normal on the singles grange now it neednt be like this but that is what its become and i think in it so im strange frightening eerie way what we are witnessing now is people beginning to think again beyond themselves holy wall is you know produce the old film like contagion the waters that generally just. Creates korea i mean the pain is. Lost to create fear but to create open not to create better 70 but to encourage people to be to be active and they is now at the station response to this crisis i mean someone wrote from sendup all saying that here in south korea and in japan the the detainee is testing testing the entire population of regular li and not banning contact with each other except physical contact so there are many many different ways of looking at it from the fact that the chinese themselves the. Root ball tipples novels in the new beers to be rooted anywhere in the country shows that actually in the interests of who are great people and have been a factor in any way more about the United States where you dont even have 3 elements its deeply shocking the richest most powerful country in the world treated spock relation because of capitalist doctrine us and the one candidate and being for a. National Health Service in the United States is most likely to be defeated but a Sleepy Joe Biden so its a very weird big job but i think there are lessons to be i think many people will learn im saying that if this is what you have to do in emergencies why cant you change the way in we treat live well hollywood at least though is how a lot of people describe what happened 17 years ago today when the world woke up to the pictures of the u. S. And u. K. Bombing of baghdad why is it still relevant what happened in 2003 why is it still relevant to all our lives right now because its still going on thats the 1st reason that. April 17 years ago it was iraq. And the there the torments that are being inflicted on this country the brutality the cruelty the western occupying. Doing Everything Possible to divide shias from sudanese one day playing with the shia giving. Makes it here on the central are in the region and then suddenly blaming other forces for it no good it they did it and now theyre touting iran and theyre. Basically using the saudis to control the sunni population. And most important to whole describing the social infrastructure of that country that is will just start out of business a mess my friend near me client calls it that its all day here in iraq they just strolling to an entire country and if you think about it today well the entire world is thinking about grown up wires i have absolutely no doubt and i can say this with confidence that the Health Service created by the iraqi series of iraqi governments was one of the best of the middle east in order to be much better able to cope with this resident the moment in iraq a wall that triggered off another wall in the region. Syrian. War there created Massive Movement of populations and refugees that this war is still going on even the us auto 78. 00. Is appealing to the United States to with rule all its troops from the region and its bank nort talk to many iraqis today of all political purposes. Asians and they will say it openly we are much better off under our 2nd that is what they say can i just say can i guess a terry if anyone thinks youre an apologist for Saddam Hussein you made me work on a program in the eightys about thatchers support for Saddam Hussein what is it like actually personally given that you came under pressure for that channel of a program because he was an ally of britain and then over the end if its which is a matter for folks we would join for cham for if you remember who was. The architect chair of fear and we were it was an ultra Political Program showing those who built these gigantic monumental statues of a model from so the old arms went like this and dominated. Especially in the military areas the parade grounds and we were doing a critical piece of this and we came under a lot of pressure not to do it i remember. I should when you or someone else researching that program rack up the company in basingstoke in an area in the inner loop. Which did the baddies big arms made created them and then shipped the answer to both artists and why aint going to sets of credibly. So many of us who are true critical of. When he was actually in our. Work then attacked for opposing a iraq war you live in a strange world priorities are decided new rules and decided depending on whom the United States as settled on as the enemy of the month and disses become an enemy of the poor need to get kids i mean if you think about the iraq war the american soldiers are still. That libya has been destroyed that syria is trying to recover from an refrig civil war then afghanistan is still occupied all of these roles of lasted longer than the 1st and 2nd world wars fought to get and they carry on and what angers will be is that citizens in most of the western world Europe North America sleep or care every day basically ignore a lot their governments and countries have been doing to the middle east which isnt as state of. Her retreat just structure on many many levels politically socially economically culturally in the palestinians left with absolutely nothing and the 2 basically supported by the United States israel and egypt receiving huge subsidies to this dish or acquiescing in what has been happening surely. That insanity must remember all souls of. Monsters are emerging from the aftermath of this war people who say it attack isis its the ones group who created it how did it come about alqaeda was not present in iraq under saddam was that it went in with the american troops and the troops of other countries supporting them so its its not difficult to do to draw a direct link between the bombing of all those years ago and the state of the middle east today certainly the United States of course to this day completely did i agree a thing i says day ash tag ill stop you there more from dr ali after this short break. Im max kaiser one more of my guide to financial survival this is fun and the mice used by professional scallywags to earn money. Thats right these hedge funds are simply not accountable and were just adding more and more to the. Totally destabilize the Global Economy you need to protect yourself and get in for a while because were. Going to fulfill repeated promises possible to the people i promise you there with all but it was. Really pretty. Pretty clear. Now you want to work. No 5. Cut. Welcome back im still here with tariq ali speaking at rallies the Largest Global demonstration in history was against the iraq war unless does it not show that protest marches do not stop was like the one that happened 17 years ago today and what difference was it wrong. To vietnam because obviously rick jagger of the Rolling Stones sang about your opposition to the vietnam war how is it different i think the main difference is in what happened to the world in the ninetys in my opinion the fact that the soviet union collapsed that china and the way it did created a hero in trade of game our ally station even amongst people who basically didnt support these governments but saw them as creating a space between 2 power blocs and in that space we could all function and live and be critical of one year aside and we wanted to do was that counterbalance disappeared the United States the game v. Had a monolithic power in the global scale and people follow them and alternatives that the iraq iraq war demonstration in my opinion was the 1st sign that people were searching for Something Else 1st day by saying dont make war on iraq and these demonstrations were huge in your but if we look back on it over a 1000000 people in london 2000000 people in madrid nearly 3000000 in rome over 200002 new york hundreds of thousands all over the phone ship cargo every American City in provincial capital state capital was infected and effected by a desire to stop the war they were ignored and one reason they were ignored is that they had no following and little support in parliament when you have the republicans and the democrats waging war. And supporting it when you have too many black band Prime Minister in britain the conservative opposition supporting the war then you know you can have 2 to 3000000 people and you know that its a reality of it and been never came out again and those numbers i remember saying at the big demonstration theyre no longer were all trying to fight against the war dont imagine it wont take place or words to that effect and really more obscure with this start bombing. Where we didnt we couldnt them all satinder but affectively they got away with it but it will be iraq to draw from this the conclusion their protest is useless it may not always be effective but creating a different Public Opinion is extremely important i am not now and nothings being done. And these really occupation has been sanctified by a crime back and terror de facto by the European Union days no chance of the palestinians getting any form of state even the most not only. The present time nothing happens the world is. That total ghetto completely wrecked disease the Palestinian Authority has got so used to collaboration with the israelis that they basically dont know what to do when they oppose whats playing now they participated in creating this situation where the british will whatever is not a marketplace thats what i say but that doesnt mean we stop arguing your bait mobilising i mean life would be awful if one just became well the british the labor party his ministers obviously committed us to war in iraq 17 years ago obviously. Protecting israel arguably after the after the Jeremy Corbyn years why do you think that this same labor party as it were is so keen to reinvite people who are associated with the iraq war back even to the party including i mean care started a leading figure once tony blairs head of war propaganda Alastair Campbell back in the labor party is this Opposition Party does it understand what youve been saying well i think there are 2 things one has to see about a party what is the insurrection on little girl insurrection of the Young Country and we all been interim our power as fracture. In my opinion and momentum became exclusively crude machine if not exclusively 80 percent of it through our low there mick in addition to that also doing a lot of political campaigning political education etc so that the strength of traditional live gruesome which is that the only thing we do which is win the election is now back in falls the left was given a chance the left was too treated not even going to ask. Searching for why the left was defeated in refusing to accept their need was because labor joined him all the parliamentary moorings to prevent a referendum from being implemented to care starmer let me just say obviously associated according to the un with the persecution of julian a son from whom and because of whom we know so much more about iraq that we have a did back then how frightened are you for Julian Assange can i just as the founder of wiki leaks given hes in belmarsh prison and governors of prisons in this country obviously are worried about the spread of coronavirus im extremely worried about truly middle implementing many. I mean initially it seemed that they were imposing a regime not really cheating on him in that prison which could have led to a no the debt that is what a number of doctors said and then the governor of the prison. Brutish rager who none of the judges wanted to try to change because its not neagle thats the governors domain which is not good for breast baring befall them is not an offense state to give evidence they have every right to challenge. The governor of the prince who julian is deliberately being mistreated the case is completely manufactured new smells so the un report on torture has made a very powerful intervention saying that the what took place in sweden when he was accused of rape something you always deny was offending crap long process and designed to discredit him and lose all which was relatively successful i think many people seem to prove that but the fact is that this accusation against judea on Security Matters is completely bizarre and everyone else that is the americans knows the only when they can get him back into the states the british and know that this is a political decision it has nothing to do with the law and im going along with it and i hope that some sense prevails when the case goes to the Supreme Court and this concrete because it is quite shocking what has happened to julie and i hope years said were to go to mess a many many years ago has learnt a few lessons. From that and i think this is something wait show even Boris Johnson who is being the most of his life we journalists should understand if you agree to. What the americans are asking you to do i mean today its a very. Exposed war crimes tomorrow it could affect other journalists who spose other things which the United States didnt want to expose an american soldier already have said washington is dead any foreign journalists the Us Constitution doesnt apply to them so they can pick anyone up and theyre over to washington to be tried since most governments do their bidding any certainly the torture has been written about people who watch our interviews with meals melt of the un special rapporteur on torture better if one can forgive a media in a Coronavirus Crisis for not covering their son is not covering the the continued bombing of iraq backed by britain of by the United States in the past few days. There is a just nation being passed through parliament and if its not martial law its military immunity legislation. What do you think about why boris ransom is keen on personal immunity for british soldiers is it somehow emblematic of british intervention 3 mile island to iraq absolutely. Clear you want to stay out late a situation where british soldiers are immune from. Prosecution i mean this is something weve fought against in many countries where the military is often little other kamila group shouldnt out these days its a big court against in the United States where many energy war activities one to u. S. Officers involved in massacres rubio maam on whats charged to cry. It is still done to those who the west regards it as its enemies the International Criminal Court Functions just as a court goes who are guarded as enemies or west so its i dont own a circle of what is going on well just finally in the when it comes to colonial legacies kashmir is of course a colonial legacy and the sudan the Indian Government has again put it under total lockdown we had the high commissioner on this shows that it was being freed up a little of course it is the center of a Nuclear Possible Nuclear Conflict just tell me what do you think about our coronavirus for instance can be used as an excuse to do all sorts of things by different governments but especially what on earth is happening in kashmir sheer is. The higher incidence of grunow arris afflictions anywhere in india. And the recent focus is that large numbers of missionaries are in prison many are in concentration camps not being given medical aid. From some other also calls from friends being left to die and the world. Stays silent because the world todays world likes know in their own body and the be shippey because they are of global strategic planning. On many issues so the schmear is being ignored the lock down on me took place many months ago when india abandoned its own constitution and effectively said made respect to be integrated and the rest of india train if you protests i mean discarnate if you protest but they were 32 to a very few are countries backed. Me course so the question remains like that to me and some today very isolated and you know one feels for them and the other thing on this i have to say is that im very glad theres an opposition in indiana resistance on the new citizenship more d. Is implemented and this is quite deep in many provinces but all those people who defend most losen of the citizenship law have remained not all but maybe most of those have remained silent on the question me and the reason they remain silent is because kashmir is regarded as a security issue because of her as a member of ration which dont play as many years ago and stopped many years ago to by and large so in the end speak up on that issue maner as far as bush meter is concerned a terrible silence as both 80 and i mean the speed who dont live in it i mean i would be if i did live in a very noticeable how little solidarity there has been with us over his invite the high commissioner for india back on land the israeli ambassador in london tie got a thank you that said. 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