Meant to the societies that it is ravage and especially to britain its a crime i want to get to their world in a moment but over here the queen the Prime Minister the government theyre all praising the National Health service in fact. Every aspect of this is as he including the media is praising the National Health service what evidence no mention of privatisation in the media here not even that the new labor leader is top adviser used to work in private Health Care Law being what evidence do you have that privatisation is even an important context in which to understand britains response to coronavirus well of course they should praise it its its its beloved in britain and when it began in 1948 it was set up as a niren been made clear to give the british people and i quote freedom from fear isnt that ironic we now have a state of fear due to this virus and the National Health service was set up to give a few of the People Freedom from fear its not the the Health Services not the people who work in the Health Service its not the clinicians its not always the the support people in the Health Service its not those who are at the very moment saving the life of the Prime Minister but it is the those who have undermined the Health Service particularly with legislation in 2012 but allowed in private is that that that devastated whole areas of it and also that the whole social care system in britain which was an extension of the Health Service was privatized almost entirely both by labor and tory government. Its beginning again in the 19 nineties and 4 for for the government then to stand up with its theorists its a model those who keep changing their minds for one at one moment. According to the Imperial College people 250000 people are going to die in britain no no wait a minute its only 20000 but no its not really 20000 because theyre going to die anyway i mean this kind of bizarre response public response to something but the Health Service at its peak fully funded not cut back. Driven by by its clean clinical staff and not by bureaucrats that would have it would have cope with that i do believe i do believe on earth only a guess from my own knowledge of investigating the Health Service over several years that the n. H. S. Would have coped with the onslaught of this virus. I do believe that there would have been mass testing that the all the the intelligent application of medical expertise that would have happened in britain it didnt happen it didnt happen because the governments. Both tory and labor allowed the Health Service to to be subverted over this time. So i say its more than a scandal its a law its a crime. Before Boris Johnson was sent to intensive care at St Thomas Hospital just near this studio he was giving press briefings flanked by sapan trick vallance who used to work at g s k i just wondered what you thought of the influence of Big Pharmaceutical Companies on the context in which we understand coronavirus i know your most recent film. Points just to Simon Stevens the boss of n. H. S. England is as being suspect because of his work in private health care in the United States well so im a 3 bones knighted by the tory government. Spent 10 years as a Senior Executive promoting private health care in the United States for one of the most infamous private. Health Insurance CompanyUnited Health whose. Chief executive officer was involved in the biggest share scandal in in in american corporate history that had nothing to do personally with stevens of course but that was that was the letter that stevens was climbed before he was plucked out of there by David Camerons. Coalition government. And i think from 2014 made made head of n. H. S. England and under stevens watch. As of november last year bed capacity in the Health Service had dropped 2127000 the lowest ever when you think that when the Health Service began in 1948 it was well over 400000 beds but bed capacity dropped to the lowest ever and the lowest in europe the Health Service was always proud and rightly so of that its bed capacity was one of the highest in the world. But cut away. Cutting to such a degree that the just the usual the 4 percent increase in the Health Services budget just to keep it on track was cut back to one percent had a devastating effect and thats why there is a political reason why people are suffering from coronavirus many of them may not want to confront that but its the reason is that the National Health service the visionary National Health service the worlds 1st public Health Service was decimated over a period of time and if you read the factorize documents by stealth thats the word they used by stealth sarap tisha silly since the 1980 s. Speeded up through the years of new labor but especially accelerating from 2012 onder the David CameronLed Coalition government. We all hope that fewer people will die here from coronavirus than austerity which the un special rapporteur said was a political decision here in britain do you think that consciousness about coronaviruses only been created because it is affecting elites because obviously there were reports of a 100000. 00 or more dying at least from a stereotype policies after the Bank Bailouts of 2008 well your if you know professor dani dollar go a very reliable source and his colleagues. At all would got into trouble for some thorough research that showed that Something Like 120000 people lives were cut short as a direct result of a stir tea and they put their finger on the cut in the cuts in the Health Service now those are actual lives. Cultural that they investigated what weve had so far is a lot of speculation from these modelers that has as i say gone from the extreme of i think half a 1000000 was one down to hardly anyone at all. Why why 1 is why are we why are we depending on these these homeowners this short rod of statistics when in fact its very clear from the countries that have succeeded in this not seeing off the coronavirus in dealing with it successfully such as germany south korea taiwan even impoverish vietnam certainly in china or itself. Was why why or why are we not seeing mass testing across the country yes thats happened in part in part pockets and its happening belatedly but also its happening belatedly that ventilators a finally arrived now in that drill exercise in 2016 i mention one of the issues that arose was that they wont enough ventilators. But 4 years ago they want to not ventilate well we invited obama to valve on the program john ill just stop you that ball from john pilger after this short break. City i can take it and. How. When i dont been in pieces no you sunk in so they dont know yet but i mean dont. You love the. Missing mom because weve got to think its time ill meet. 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Welcome back im still here with john pilger you point to austerity privatization privatization linked scientists inaccurate or orange modeling by scientists the government before Boris Johnson was taken to intensive care was briefing that china is the real reason why the world is facing the Coronavirus Crisis that china should be considered a pariah nation your previous film before the dirty war in n. H. S. Was called the coming war on china why do you think downing street was briefing that china must be made to pay for coronavirus because the Propaganda Campaign began. In earnest against china. In 2011 when president obama announced what hed call the pivot to asia and that meant the biggest build up of u. S. Naval forces in the pacific but in terms of policy unless the plod through all of them all of the west but us the notes. Including britain that china there would be a propaganda war against china the us was desperate to reclaim its dominance. Its Economic Dominance it has military dominance but china has risen to a point where it was threatening the whole notion of the us having control over so much of humanity that the scot used that propaganda which of course is a story could goes into the 19th century in what the early 20th century in the 19th century is what the chinese call the century of humiliation when the west. Colonized china. And the chinese were literally humiliated one has one can only spend a short time in china with with open eyes and open ears and you understand very quickly that this is a country that has risen out of the ashes of this history but like whole societies it feels its history very very deeply and the propaganda aimed at china is is to offset what is a reality china as an economic power has risen and for johnson and others to to start blaming china whose own. Conquest of your like of this. Coronavirus. Has been. Probably one of the great spectacles of this rather melancholy awful period that were going through to blame china for not giving them information when its quite clear to anybody who has studied. Governments in this country tory and labor new labor and tory governments and their attitude to Public Health care that the responsibility lies right at their feet well despite what the World Health Organization say media in this country which doesnt call itself propaganda says china was lying about coronaviruses lied about statistics and theyve lied about a whistleblower apparently why is it that for you and theres been no coverage as far as i can see of the case of julie innocence of wiki leaks in the past 24 hours a publisher a whistleblower is why this apparent mismatch between the emphasis here of the whistleblowers in china but not the publication or the publishers of whistleblowers here in britain but we understand something about government after 2 days and socalled policies towards the crisis caused by the coronavirus when we look at the terrible suffering of julian us on you know a few weeks ago at a bail hearing. A magistrate refused to give this man bail he has a longer nish and he is a perfect candidate if you like for the for. Falling victim to a corona virus which is which is ravaging through britains prisons theyre not telling us the real figures like so must theres some of the lying going on about this just simply on a humanitarian basis the fact that a sounders name is not on the rather short list of prisoners who are being released temporally on humanitarian grounds is an outrage how can how how how is such a cruelty applied to somebody whos committed no crime. Who the convicted of no crime whose only crime is journalism. Its there for everybody to see the u. S. Wants to extradite him on concocted charges of espionage is of espionage charges several to careless but they should have been ridiculous in law but they should have been thrown out on the 1st day of the hearing in february but they wont so. My view is if you want to stop understand how power is misleading people lets just use that would misleading people use during this whole Coronavirus Crisis look at the case of julian assad. Government that can treat a man with such with such cruelty with such cruelty a corpse that can treat him with such cruelty. Is quite capable of a form of that cruelty and thats how the policies when its not only form agendas Boris Johnson who appears to back the Legal Process regarding june unisom stickiest ahmed the former boss of the Crown Prosecution Service and edge to have been involved in a conspiracy against design says we must allow the proppant extradition process to follow its course well thats fine lets have a prop up process there isnt a proper process and he should know hes a q c there isnt a proper process anybody who was witness to the number of hearings last year and certainly this year in february well no theres no process. That that that the court has become a kind of its become a kind of show trial. I mean people without without a a preordained view to have been so shocked by what theyve seen there is no process so yes lets have a proper process but more than that keir starmer as the leader of the opposition opposition is needed more than ever today in britain indeed thats what democracies are about and this government and the government sort of gone before it have to be called to account on a number of issues but especially especially on the treatment of julian assad on the whole world and i would be here all day if i described all the jurists organization the United Nations bodies distinguished people United Nations report on torture doctors latest 115 doctors have called on julian ive called on on the the government to let juliana sounds out at least while this coronavirus. Crisis is on there are so many of them but they are not in the media and the media of course is a major problem is a major problem for a songe in that its suppress the truth about science its a major problem for the Coronavirus Crisis so much of this crisis has been media led by a form of a stereo and and worse than that simply an echo of whatever government wants to say of whether whatever its latest model wants to stand up behind their lectern and tell us no Critical Thinking no understanding i mean was not. Wasnt it Robert Peston who who told the nation in a tweet that the government was considering i think his words were before steins solution the forced isolation of people over 70 we learned that in a tweet and other words something slip to this reporter clearly. Hes favorable to the government thats how we learned about it before the government told us have we forgotten that in 2012 there was. A landmark report done by University College about the killer disease in britain what was that killer disease it was isolation not known anus they distinguish that its an extraordinary piece of research was published both in britain and the United States all forgotten well if thats characterized as a war on the poor youre known of course for your coverage of lies about wars until you get here is all of the United Nations once a global ceasefire during the coronavirus pandemic in the context i have to say of the labor the shadow foreign secretary has just been appointed here he said then hes saying. Israeli atrocities must not be condemned because it would be anti semitic to do so what do you make of the bombs flying around the world during this time of great a virus israel bombs syria in the past few days and of course saudi arabia has been bombing yemen and u. S. Warships headed towards venezuela saudi arabia doesnt give a damn about coronavirus it hasnt given a damn about socal World Opinion because its backed by the United States and Britain Britain is in there not only supplying it with much of its equipment but helping it. Identify targets in the one of the poorest if not the poorest country on earth a country that has had been ravaged by. A cholera epidemic. That most children suffer extreme malnutrition saudi arabia continues to bomb this country with owl when i say al i mean u. K. And u. S. Assistance more than assistance they wouldnt be able to do it without the planes the bombs and the expertise that come from our countries but you know a coronavirus hasnt stopped. The the war the war on the war of sanction the war of blockades rather a quarter of the worlds population is currently under american sikeston that is its blockade and one form or another one of those countries worst hit by coronavirus is iran and the United States has continued to turn the screw on this country a country that sat down with all the states of the e. U. With the United States with russia and signed an agreement it was donald trump that tore it up and now this country. Iran cant get the medical supplies it needs it cant get particularly cancer drugs. This kind of almost medieval siege of countries venezuela was another one and yet you know that venezuela was actually coping with the coronavirus its extraordinary. They i cant remember what the statistics are but they are not high and theyve managed to test widely to track the pattern of of the disease and so on while theyre on the blockade from the United States while American Naval ships are sitting off the coast of venezuela and i remind you of course they dont have to the venezuela is actually the source the greatest source of oil. On earth. These wars go on. One could say that they extend to a war on the project protectionists own people. Look at the unholy mess that the United States is in with some states locked down and no testing and and the and the disease running like wildfire in a country where. Probably some of the most extraordinary medicine and drugs. Have been practiced for a few there is no youre not unified public Health Service thats a war on their own people are we an enemy of our own governments thats a question its an interesting question if were not why has for example the most extraordinary institution in britain why has it been treated so miserably why has it been undercut. So that when we need it most its truck rolls. Thank you thats it for the show and for this season will be back on the 22nd of april the brown whos here is going underground in the meantime will be free on your recent favorite episodes of children wherever you are in the world people save as you can join the underground by following up on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram and say. What is the difference between embarrassing gaffes and elder abuse joe biden certainly excels at the former and maybe is the victim of the latter were told dimension of Mental Health is off limits to what degree is the public the right to know. This is a story of women and women was troubled histories and complex court cases you know some of us did leave. Out there. Were not. The person that. The cheesiness of the day are considered the most dangerous of criminals shes in a still. All the all 23 hours of the day tell me that its not enough punishment it will give women on death row. Several countries prepared to lift the lockdowns but the World Health Organization says restrictions must stay in place warning that premature steps could be disastrous. European leaders fail to strike a deal when it comes to a massive new financial stimulus package which would have included joint european you need for the very worst hit nations. And in other news an inmates dies of covert 19 at the prison where wiki leaks founder Julian Assange is being held is that while the u. K. Court rules that assad sees a