Special episode of going underground but 1st lets go straight to todays guest the 8 secretary general of the United Nations ban ki moon who was secretary general during the 2013 to 2016 evelyn epidemic he joins me via skype from seoul thank you so much of a coming on burn so before we get to the rest of the world how are you personally dealing with the quarantine and what advice would you in the center for global citizens that you had were advice would you give to people watching all around the world today are going to community crappers render spread nor can our congress in 1000 in this very timely remove the effect on the importance for our all who has our Prime Minister health and health or whole communities and the wards now you want so i knew how the my business as a former as a certain 2nd general but more so doing in many different capacities. Detected shell shocked. As well as channel on the planet human scent of. A citizens. 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At that time at that time we had i can tell you don that we had met tom governors. Girl want to come on a sit down and now our while or each and every country has been taking their own initiative and the whatever they could do in their own countries and went at that time the United Nations walked a break or see our red. To have a group want to come on as a system we walk then of course you may do more demand can the European Union banks the region and african demand on banks African Union so there was a much much a creusa accordion issue in derry ghana disses so one thing which i can tell you that we are missing at this time and. Combating koran by rosol Climate Change we must. Tread on in partnership a key factor apparent beads of koreas success this time around with coronavirus is that it made big mistakes over the moon outbreak do you think thats one reason why south korea has been so successful theres not even a lockdown in south korea now this time i believe that my country the republic of korea has done remarkably well. The because. She purred and government i think we had no walk to very very closely. People had. Trust and confidence in what government has been toiling in for some or. A message testing. For any potential. People are divorcing south korean government give when you know what they had forced the cases and we ask the Many Industries to manufacture. Testing kits testing kits i think they are now currently acing at least around a 100000 testing kits even when you may remember that the present tom has asked it to provide to certain testing kits to the United States and though even. Informing the government that people are very transparent away a very transparent lane and the testing has been done at least 2 or then 1000 people on the day who walks through on a drive through this has been able. To isolate a. Test in post of deducing the risk of a spreading like other countries south korea has also developed these all. Horror now virus a softer way out and more lyon applications to help them it is essential Contact Tracing efforts they have been taking on amazingly effective and tracing efforts so that once one who once a somebody is a tested positive then weve been tracing the order people who are. Person to person had been contacted and that really had so little juice the number of people are now that we have about 9000 some cases but the number mortality is 160. Necessary just has been quite effective then mr public has accepted and trusted a major us the current government has been taking. One can assume that distrust the comes from the fact that institutions are tipping the public who are informed 24 hours on a day and asking for the corporation and or so korean government ships the public are stated that the mass messaging about day and numbers and social distancing the mind us etc etc didnt and then this why are they even so i am not in the gov service i have been visiting many the trestles from my post. Friends who are in government the who are dealing with this some European Countries combined to some support and i know how he could check with britain because or over the World Health Organization has said that we must test test test as you just said the trumpet ministration has called out to britains response as being i think goal jumps at a one point catastrophic what are the w a h o o. Saddam do does he have to be very diplomatic when he sees a country like britain not new testing in fact as of this week there was a limit on a 15 percent on testing of n. H. S. Frontline staff here in britain. I can understand and appreciate the difficulties and the sometimes not where oh how nice at the beginning of this. Mass a spread a car a virus i can understand your dis changing a situation im in and been contacted by any British Government but. I hope that they you know 10 unions a day should have a point you need to wait around until he opened union now what i am doing a concern is that each and every government i do in on their own initiatives you know much much cortin ation each other. Up of course and i understand that you are so necessary to knock down each and out the countries but sometimes that my horse so i assumed up on the coordinated according to the addressing this Virus Solutions but where under lockdown here in london despite the there being some doubts about the efficacy of it the World Health Organization also said that china reacted very well to the outbreak of the corona virus but here in britain were hearing briefings from number 10 downing street that china faces a reckoning after this Coronavirus Crisis and it may be considered a pariah state over its handling why do you think there seems to be animosity being created geopolitically out of coronavirus especially coming out of london or as hes coming out of washington against venezuela. At this time. Im i dont think in that kind of a sitting animosities saw criticizing some countries like this may. Be headed for of course at the beginning one described and china and even my country korea have been criticised. For not have being and being more of a farmer and. A correct way and but as time went by and the way the china and south korean government have been doing making some progress and effective and taking my country it has been effective and as you may know a more than 100 countries have been. Attacking. The south korean government saw the necessary information. And this is what is necessary it is them you have you know that you know is that britain is going to like that south korea im not sure because im not in the government but as i understand in the media that some would then 100 countries have a repressive information and the sharing didnt know how and or so more than 100 countries the crescent to have some vision of health care. Its a particularly at test implant and the masks and this is what is necessary to stand and this should be clear on and much cross up accordion ition and support to gin and among the countries now less in the country however powerful and resourceful may be like you see in the case of the United States i think the lumber all through a case is as an as a lumber again. Stay in the united state in eternity and spain is quite. Not understand the reddest and most to lose so some of the worst of the top 2 countries i even learned. To let to have the immediate past at this time the violence doesnt respect any border ethnicities and i raise so countries their call is a very important that was shared now were living in a robot of Communication Media and theyre taught to do or be allowed the race for sharing experiences and no house if someone made the point that viruses cant communicate between themselves but humans cam thats where we have the edge on the virus banky mood ill stop you there more from the former u. N. Secretary general after this break. 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Nobody would care about the law or prison so youd have wallace the shoot of. A terrible life between the and the. Welcome back im still here with former u. N. Secretary general ban ki moon you dont understand then that while chinese doctors have been arriving here in britain cuban doctors of course in italy and spain Russian Military planes arriving in new york downing street here there are people in britain saying china must be punished with the withdrawal of internet contracts after the Coronavirus Crisis is over and people in the u. K. In the corridors of power are suggesting that china is exploiting coronavirus for economic game. What i can tell you at this time instead of pointing fingers to any other country like china does that hadnt. Helped for. We are living in a globalized to our every 2nd i think you can see everything and what is happening in one country how is that Transformative Development of what transportation communication aim for mission i think were living in a slower than it are small or worn dont know what is happening in china or korea Great Britain or United States its not just should be treated as living in a school or school or a war and no coke is actually necessary that the we have to for any program thats what i have experienced and why im walking at the United Nations thats what i have been emphasizing or to the times is a very easy to a blame somebody but to putting somebody down we should do what we can do 1st and a particular any as a poem or 2nd generation i am or so a concern that none which talk is not much is being talked about by big countries like iraq gens and americans that there are small talk. About in a support role grow by so who do not have much a capacity to sources loud whine and not dissent has. Managed to have a 2 trillion dollars at that time i hope that addition to have been some consideration to provide this global fund to full sounds you know once. People are in the southern and southern warrant and thats what the girl what itoshi the nia means you know all sun even the bare minimum to survive is missing then our own the means. As steamy and you can want to stop the violence this is what many of the countries really in need be need as such we need to grow up on a committee to track consorted narrative even in times of great need we must remember real or industry and the well written arguably does help the global south by exporting weapons how important is the un charter at this particular time only this week saudi arabia bombed yemen the poorest country in the middle east facing a groan a virus a pandemic israel bombed syria how important is the un charter at this particular time because those are seen by many to be arguable violations of the un charter. You may remember our. Macia 23 in find them a crack team in. Just a 2nd general do not nations antonio potential has allowed us an option and cruel marcys. Progress is an agenda time of but to continue now isnt just to senses that they are now one trying to find and keep unity in does one point out a country such as a yemen or syria and look at the so many medias of the messages these countries have some of them or some viral people are leaving in them gentle it is essential and that shouldnt have an 8 can get to the people who need even one of the most and the 1st and foremost them must stop fighting. Well after the secretary general made those remarks the trumpet ministration has now ordered warships to the coast of venezuela what about sanctions because donald trump ruled out any relief from sanctions for say iran we had the un special rapporteur on this program it is just syria said sanctions are usually illegal do you agree with what the u. N. Is saying in geneva that the e. U. The u. S. Say they must stop sanctions on countries like iran cuba obviously theres eggs in the china during this pandemic and there are some conscious go on and sanctioned by his important to the u. N. Security council a cam. And syria and iran and north korea and then in july. At this plan why only the specter sanctions important i disagree because in at the same town you would be. Good for Security Council to consider are read out on a case by case is take. Our next 10 years of sanctions fortunate 10 men and horses you said that one of the successes in south korea has been the importance seen by the government for transparency transparency with the public how important is article 19 of the un charter u. K. Authorities here are threatening all the time foreign owned television stations do you think transparency in article 19 is even more important during this crisis. Addressing this kind of a roll over. Pandemic chases. Extending porton and that people should be important. Every 2nd every minute every met minute 2nd what is necessary for them to do what governments are doing their fall each and every citizen and they can take on major us whatever india own projection but the discount of a group or pandemic should be addressed at the group event intermissions no matter who are already said this you know what transparent way transparent way because obviously. It claims here in britain the china russia there are countries deliberately creating fake news and this is a big problem this is a bigger problem maybe than the pandemic the New York Times as china is publicly spreading disinformation. I am not in a position to make any such comment on such issues which and that the director had given him the. Juno have faith in us whatever a nabi nice dad tortellini you know are does not help anything and therefore there should be at the very. In the media. Release of the. Correct information so that she preferred citizen they themselves could a take the necessary major us in the. Past and the same time in a broad up broader sense it is the governments and Community Leaders and grover need us who should lead to take the lead in and lessing and fighting the 19. Obviously it is the most vulnerable that are going to be affected by corona virus you mention refugees were talking on this program about hospital porters and cleaners why do you think the most vulnerable will be the should be the priority join the Coronavirus Crisis. Because they believe in conditions fall messages as you might have been to many netaji temps they are living in a very compact that dennis and every house you know are we are on the advising citizen to have a social distance a social distance at least one or 2 meters away from each other and meant that as soon as you may go to a met attempts nenni millions of people are living in a very compact area without much percentages for some or even hygiene to her cities and therefore it is much easier much of the more power over for them to get contract in a man is a virus. The reason why theyre refugees at all for me and talked about in terms of poverty creating wars do you think when this is all over were going to have to look again at equality and policies like the i. M. F. Requirement to Privatized Health care systems in return for loans in the areas where now wars of course all these refugees to mount the numbers of the mounting in the hands that this lie that dennis i am origin girl really does establish and grow but its fun to hong kong girl her south and pay more attention to her for divorce more survivor are among the wrong keep her just vinyl e britain aside to call off its next round of climate Global Climate summit the cop summit what can we learn from coronavirus about the importance of say the Green New Deal of vista rejected by the white house but i understand that youve done a lot of work on promoting the idea of Green New Deals all around the world. There is clearly. Crows. Relationship big change in our dressing room and Climate ActionClimate Change as an s. Addressing a pandemic crisis at this than i am what im concern is that. This pandemic crises im afraid that. The efforts and the passion and. Climate. Crisis at this time may be undermined to maybe. Downplay them by the people around award what is important at this time and that through and. Agreeing you deano d out of the calling to paris Climate Change oh women we mustnt take. Action to point history name as you know i as a lord growing temperature is a heating up there is a much much more and more possibility of this kind of a group of viruses pandemics may happen because of demi on want it away or mix of all in just pathogens among. A natural conditions and defoe it is something important at this time learning from this crisis we must take. Action to address a Climate Crisis before it is true but the fossil fuel companies that have a long doubted the existence of Climate Change their bosses were in the white house the other day none of them is saying there is any evidence whatsoever that Climate Change contributes to pandemics. I mean youre urging as you know penn union has announced it is green day. By at the latest a buy 2050 or indies force a few as should be trance transformed into. Energy the no one energy in their event across the many European Countries where morning are now said that by trying to. Sort of 510 to 40 or by 10 to 15 more stops all European Countries you know the unions country except koren have committed to be a force of sure if continent by that time im also urging many many countries other than the European Countries to do that endeavor that im or so. The government im not to states to concede on the turn to describe the genuine women as soon as possible or this isnt a pretty thing and more a responsibility as. The most important resource for and powerful countries as you may remember it was the United States and china. You know im lucky to get on the do not to states and the United Nations. Member state too lenient bring this Climate Change we went through a successful conclusion now that it is already 50 up to the decision since the Climate Change and also a sentiment of animal hoarders is a. In some good lessons which we have to learn from this is a. You know a pandemic a crisis that we need to eat dessert much much more effort on a much much. Speedo way at 20 s. Climate crisis. Oh un secretary general thank you. Very much for the show will be back on monday for the day the usa backed by britain launched around 6 you tall cruise missiles into syria until monday if you have water wash your hands keep safe and join me on the ground by following us on you tube Twitter Facebook and instagram. Do you believe in miracles would seem democrats to you after the joe biden surge on super tuesday for them to fear of the Bernie Sanders candidate see me now be contained however this is far from over taking on trump no easy task. I love this town. And of mr oppenheimer