Transcripts For RT CrossTalk 20240713

To do. Just. One thing with your house on them. Hello in a welcome across talk were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle in london Julian Assange and youre standing trial on whether he will be extradited to the u. S. To face espionage charges the stakes could not be higher saunters libya even life is on the line freedom of speech is also on trial though you wouldnt know that for. The Mainstream Media. Cross talking Julian Assange im joined by my guest in london joe lauria he is the editor in chief of Consortium News dot com we also have taylor hudak she is an independent journalist and cofounder of action for a stone age and were joined by alexander make your us he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com or across the cause and effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it lets go to the the legal part of this story here will go to our examine me curious alex i mean the Mainstream Media when it does report the trial it seems to me theres an enormous amount of or mission being played out here in europe you have a legal mind you have a legal legal experience is he getting a fair trial go ahead hours or what you have to say there are certain aspects of the trial which to cause me a great deal of unease are i dont want to go into the. Details too far but firstly are i have to have genuine concerns about the physical layout of the courtroom the fact that he is kept kept behind a glass barrier hes been complaining that this is limited hes contacts with his lawyers there is incidentally case law which says the physical layout of the court room can have bearing on whether a trial is fair or not so for our all or hes protests about that have been disregarded but beyond this i am becoming worried by the trend of some of the legal arguments in the very interesting really the prosecution seems to have accepted i should say the crown seems have accepted that the things that he has been charged with are political offenses. But the argument now seems to be that that isnt relevant at all in extraditing him because the u. K. Extradition act of 2003 doesnt say that people cant be extradited on police for political offenses even though there has always been well understood well how to even though the extradition treaty with the United States seems to preclude preclude it and that does worry me that worries me a great deal well it should worry us all because Julian Assange is a journalist ok i mean the way hes being treated me go to jail or here also in london the way hes being treated here is if he said terrorists i mean the the layout is theres alexander macarius just told us i mean this is treating him as if hes a danger to society in themselves there is no evidence in his past to to prove that to have this justified whatsoever he is being treated like a terrorist because hes a political prisoner and theres no 2 ways about it go ahead taylor. Yes youre exactly right peter in fact we know that Julian Assange has been in Londons Belmarsh prison which is often referred to as the u. K. s Guantanamo Bay and we also learned earlier that in fact Julian Assange has been placed in 5 Holding Cells hes been handcuffed frequently and i believe that his case files have been confiscated at the end of the day and his attorney Edward Fitzgerald has argued that in fact that impairs his right to a fair trial 4 we also have learned that while he was staying in the Ecuadorian Embassy in london that this Spanish Security firm you see global was actually spying on him in spying on his visitors in particular journalists especially those who were russian or american so that even infringes on his rights to Attorney Client privilege as well you know joe i mean considering how hes being treated during this trial and of course the the the information that has come out that he was spied on when he was in the Ecuadorian Embassy i mean he really must really scare the daylights out of the establishment. The way hes being treated proves that i mean it is sense he is probably the most dangerous man in the world and they want to punish him for this go ahead joe. It was certainly not dangerous in a violent sense and thats the way hes being treated you have to wonder why theyre doing this to him why hes in that cage why the day on monday this week he was strip searched twice and he was in 11 different times were handcuffed why are they doing this and its just who bursts its power its almost a sadistic to show that theyre in charge they can do whatever they want with him and thats a stream we disturbing as particularly the what tila just mentioned about the lawyers i mean you have the prosecuting government has eavesdropped on the defense preparations for this case by that by that Spanish Company of selling to the cia all of this that are so that would be thrown out of any case a mediately does not in any case the arguments aguas in the court the arguments by the government by the u. S. Government and their british lawyer are just theyre ridiculous in some respects its as if they do feel like they needed to make any kind of serious argument i mean on the on the on the date on tuesday. A son his lawyer has demolished this idea that tried to help Chelsea Manning hack into a government computer 1st chelsea and legal access to that a top secret 2nd the she didnt even need a password what he was doing is trying to help it download video games and movies and music videos because its forbidden on army computers its a they demolished that and what did the government lawyers say james lewis he said that that was a straw man argument i mean its not a strawman argument because it wasnt a false argument its the problem is the judge is being clearly biased against assad we expected that going in weve seen many signs about that as well and the issue about whether its political or not is key and you get as Alexander Point out the actors are going to be the actor the treaty thats going to be followed thats a key question right now yeah you know i think you know a lot of us that have what followed this this tragic story here is that it seems to me. From people that are knowledgeable or knowledgeable about the american legal system it seems almost impossible Julian Assange could get a fair trial in the United States even to the point where it would actually be a secret trial because it would have to do with National Security and espionage i mean how in the world can you call that justice go ahead alex wellen well you cant and im pretty sure that this is going to be something that is going to be discussed extensively over the course of the of the hearing we havent reached those points yet about whether Julian Assange can expect a fair trial in the United States and the disproportionate sentence he would face or risk if he was sent there and i think this is absolutely central to this whole issue because it makes the whole thing to me looking stream we vindictive given that as i have said already the crown has accepted the these are political charges we should been brought against him are im very disturbed about this argument by the way that the fact that his political charges somehow isnt important because the act doesnt mention political charges the extradition treaty yes we britain and the United States express lee prohibits extraditing people who are on facing political charges and it seems to me that to disregard that is to say that the court can go beyond what the British Government but britain to do in a treaty an International Treaty integrate with the United States that doesnt make any kind of logical sense you know me at all you know taylor you that not only is this a travesty of justice in the case of Julian Assange but it is it is going to severely damage the opinion people have of the british legal system because just as joe has pointed out and ive been read. Accounts of people that have been in the court it looks like this is all pro forma i mean everyones yawning i mean can we get this over with because the decision has already been made and theyre doing this for public consumption for those that will even reported go ahead. Yessir exactly right it seems that this judge in particular has been siding in favor of the prosecution we saw that with previous hearings that took place last year at the end of last year in particular now you do bring up a good point about julian potentially receiving a fair trial in the United States unfortunately that is not at all the case because he will be tried in the u. S. District Eastern District court of virginia which is known as the Espionage Court and i believe that anybody who has been tried in that court for a similar offenses join asuncion National Security case they have all been tried and convicted in this particular court and much of the evidence in this case the jury would not even be able to hear and if you have jury members seeing and hearing that they cannot even be provided with evidence thats really prejudicial to the defendant so i think that all rule of law in this case has been really disregarded but i am hopeful that the judge will side on the facts of this case in the facts so far i believe have been overwhelmingly in favor of the defense you know joe in a broader picture if we look at what happening to julian and and then we have roger stone it seems like the establishment and elements of the state want to prove they want to the rush hoax because theyll say look we got this conviction we got this conviction. And they reinvented the hoax the hoax is back in vogue again here i mean you know its as if the report didnt matter doesnt matter push it aside were going to prove to you that this conspiracy actually exists when there is not any evidence to prove it whatsoever go ahead joe. You know ironically the. The prosecution argued on thursday that assad would have had to try to change the government in the u. S. For it to have been a political offense and thats of course what thats of course what the most a critics say that he truly brought trump in he tried to stop who recruited rather than he published what he got and cant publish what he didnt get on trump that this was a journalistic decision and then what necessarily so and so youre right they are trying to mix in 2016 they want to get a song for that theyre blaming him for that theyre blaming everyone except Hillary Clinton for a loss of course and to try to suck that into a sergeant to that russia gate story at this point when hes not been charged on anything other than what happened in 2010 under the espionage act and simply for possessing and then disseminating classified material which no one of the journals has ever been prosecuted for under the espionage act and us the Obama Administration wouldnt do it to trumpet ministration as they crossed that red line thats what this is about but its going to be construed us as having something to do with the 2016 election you know thats part of the done the dissent from a should campaign that was launched in march of 2008 by the pentagon and cyber counter chaldeans program and they said in a 32 page report that ironically was leaked to rekey leaks that destroying the trust to look around we can weeks is the aim and to have reputational damage inflicted on a son so that for 12 years now there been lies and smears and thats one reason this case cannot be a tried fairly why the government is being very cavalier about their case theyre not really making anything because they think theyve got it in the bag very cavalier i wouldnt want to go to a hard break here were going to go to a short break and out for that short break well continue our discussion on julius on stage with marty. I cant show you mine but im going to teach you must during. The 93 this man was sentenced to death. Charged with capital murder even though he didnt have the gun didnt pull the trigger didnt intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for that week with just under 23. Confined within 4 grey walls. To leave this room. Welcome to crossfire where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing. Ok lets go back to alexander in london you know alex its really interesting what joe had to say before we went to the break because the establishment and establishment journalists that are actually not journalists theyre just client pawns for power its a disgrace what theyve done to journalism but you know you know we can make has always been seen as trying to undermine the establishment because he exposed as their corruption in their lives and but you know the interesting thing by the by. Prosecuting Julian Assange and wiki leaks as an extension theyre actually undermining themselves i mean its actually they are the ones that are undermining the public faith in their institutions in the in the political elite here and they do they have complete disregard for the for the rule of law in my opinion and they dont care what the publics perception of them are because they dont really have much respect for the electorate and people in general i mean they can get away with anything go ahead alex well they did and i have to say i completely agree with what you say about the media in this situation the media collectively all looks to be extremely concerned about this trial because it goes directly to the homes of what investigative reporters are supposed to do theyre supposed to you know get information from sources and if its in the Public Interest publish it and thats what you do have some interest to be very clear about this and he was doing it in cooperation with a major new space exactly what old and yet its been saying well for years that you know you have a few mumbled words of support for all him. From a few journalists in the Mainstream Media but theres been nothing nothing that remotely is proportionate to the gravity of the situation that we see in the courtroom and if youre talking about the proceedings themselves theres been an almost total silence and gross and even reporting that little im discussing them so even a storm issues me that this animus against. Coming from establishment media seems to go beyond that you know seems to trump if you like their own self interests they seem to be willing to sacrifice their own profession or the standards of their own profession in order to basically punish this man and obviously one has to ask why and it does seem to me increasingly its becoming clear that establishment media and the political establishment are now become so intertwined theyre one thing they are essentially the one thing yeah they are the ones an extension of the other thats really quite obvious on so many Different Levels on so many different topics you know taylor i remember during the 2016 president ial election in the United States everybody was captivated by week you exhibit donald trump that i love wiki leaks ok i mean its amazing how they have abandoned him because you know what what he did they dont do anymore and i and i think that you know they do know that theyre being shamed here because from what ive read and ive been following week in week since its inception its never released anything that was a draft then tick ok i mean how many new cable stations newspapers magazines websites put out fake news all the time now one scheme you pin it on that wants all right so i mean it seems to me if the way they do they see that there by the way they attack him is that somehow they can redeem themselves as being real journalist but thats childs play doesnt make any sense go ahead taylor. Yes youre exactly right in fact wiki leaks has a 100 percent accuracy rate in its reporting i cannot think of any other Corporate Media outlet that can say that and have that record it seems to me that many people many journalists in the Corporate Media in the Mainstream Media do not want to associate themselves with joining a size they do not view him as a journalist for some reason and i think we could really say that the reason for that is because of a very effective dissin for mation campaign attacking his character at tacking wiki leaks and its Staff Members but its always important to remember as well that wiki leaks has done a lot to protect sources and political dissidents and whistleblowers and an extension of wiki leaks of course is the Courage Foundation which helps those who are in some legal trouble who have the courage to actually blow the whistle on their corrupt governments and blow the whistle on these intelligence agencies which abuse their power and joined us on his attorney were not a who knows him personally of course and considers him a friend said that this is someone of a high moral integrity and it is very much the case that julian assigned having received that information from Chelsea Manning for him to just sit on that information and not actually expose it to the public would be in fact that immoral thing to do in this case so he acted appropriately by showcasing this to the world in highlighting these u. S. War crimes you know you know joe the whole thing is that when the media does focus on Julian Assange in the woods what hes going through right now they dont really talk about what we expose but they talk about how the information was cured ok and if youre a publisher if youre an editor and youve got someone you get or milk that person for all its worth because thats exactly what you do ok and now but no i mean ever since to reproduce the. Ales you know you know the better stolen. C. N. N. Trying to convince you not to read it because its illegal but well do it for you would remember that chris cuomo nonsense ok they say they dont want to do when they look at process but they will never talk about the content of it ok what are all next that make it and i hope it you know it but i have a mean theres so much of thats done i read just a small percentage of it is so i opening its amazing you get you actually see into the cold heart of the elite and how they calculate. Its really quite amazing you know and we have julian of songe to thank for that and thats why hes being punished because we got to see inside that cold soul go ahead joe. Yes i had the good making an excellent point and i want to agree with alex had previously that im also astonished perhaps i shouldnt be that theres not theres not been any coverage of thats really the trial of this early this young century being compared to the dreyfus affair whats at stake here is how the west defines itself are we really do well the u. S. And britain who are we really democracies that can tolerate the revelation of government wrongdoing on that scale or are we now developing into a aggressive form of what i have to say is to tell a terran is where you crush dissent thats whats on trial here and that the New York Times in the Washington Post apparently of not written one word about this trial on the b. B. C. I cant find anything i just says just astonishing and thats part of the omission thats what the Corporate Media does they omit you never hear them talking about what the u. S. Has done since the end the 2nd world war the many millions of people that were killed that produces no shame or guilt in the u. S. Its not even reported its just buried and because of that that hole was filled by one journalist julian the subject thats why they have to get him to shut him up to put that again under the under the carpet so the public doesnt know the. Exactly the massive crimes that western government to lead by the us has done and this is why this is so important to do or nord is just part of that system of omitting uncomfortable incriminating information against western governments and this is why this trial is so damned important and it needs to be covered well go back to alexander because thats exactly why were doing this program and i want to be very clear with everyone i met every Single Person on this panel in london this week at an event. Defending Julian Assange and getting the word out because i felt it was so important to go there because the media is committing omissions here and i had to go there and i made a public stand and i hope people watching this program will also make a public stand because its time to be counted go ahead alex well absolutely and im glad joe brought up the dreyfus affair because of course the dreyfus affair in france in the 18 eighties and 890. 00 s. Was also a case was to find for the french people what kind of a society they wanted to be were they a constitutional democratic republic or were they a society in which powerful people in the but you know in the background could control who was designed to be guilty and who was not who would be packed off to Devils Island and who would not be and they took a stand and respond enormous pressures and enormous battles in the end they won for britain this is our very 1st affair and i think that far too few people in clinton understand this and i was at that same event that you were peter and which job was in which to you know was and im glad to say that there was some people from britain who do understand this and did make that stand and i think we should all continue to do so you know. Taylor peter can i interject please. Dont jump in thats the point of the others were i just i just want to you know i just want to make this point that this is a time for britain to stand up and show backbone against us particularly when the us is refusing to extradite here to the us a woman the wife of a dismount former cia agent who killed this boy and he fled to the u. S. The u. S. Wont give that woman back to britain but they want to give him a song just one for britain to show its independence thats what its independence from you know west you know taylor so many people dont understand why did we come into being because the Mainstream Media wouldnt do their job ok and what i worry about what i worry about after this tragic event all these tragic events are being played out is that Something Else like leaks might come along but they wont be accountable they wont be honest it will be more. Itll be more underground dark web stuff ok and i think that one day these people are going to miss what the or regret what theyve been doing here because at least weekly leaks had integrity certainly a lot of red faces around the world when they release things but you know nonetheless it played up to a very High Standard others may not do that 40 seconds go to you taylor last part of the program. Yes and actually in the early days of wiki leaks julian assigned and other Staff Members worked very closely with members of the Mainstream Media and the Corporate Media specifically the guardian and to this day wiki leaks has many partners around the world and those are outlets and organizations that are part of the Corporate Media i want to say that Julian Assange has absolutely changed the media landscape there are other Corporate Media organizations who have actually adopted certain aspects of wiki leaks as an organization into their own practices and again like i said earlier wiki leaks has a 100 percent accuracy rate and just to reiterate what joe was saying earlier it is. Now the time for the u. K. To stand up to the United States in prevent this in u. S. Extradition is unlawful it is an assault on our 1st amendment and that is something that is key to us worldwide and i know that theyre saying that the 1st amendment does not apply to foreign nationals there are many legal experts out there who disagree im sure alecs disagrees with that interpretation but its really time to show support for a trillion assigned and to also correct this information that has been told about how well said it but im afraid dont hold your breath very pessimistic here many thanks to my guests in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember. Your government our government and all the other major governments of the world know whats going to him when its going to. But they havent told you and they havent told me they havent and theyll. Imagine something as big as the earth. Is going to cause tidal waves earthquakes volcanoes are going to wrapped and its going to chill. So very for a while right. My great grandfathers quote. Nobody would care about the law or prison so youd have wallace though should have. A turtle between the and the. Banks geysers financial survival you know they say money the bell a. Lot of g. D. This is a central plank support dying a problem is i dont call them i know its a stop to. This is aussie u. K. Well coming up us from around the world when life from Central London become really awaiting the governments daily Coronavirus Press briefing meanwhile how headlines this hour. 684 people die from corona virus in just 24 hours a record high for the u. K. Thats as Prime Minister Boris Johnson himself continues to struggle with corona virus as it emerges britain repeatedly ignored warnings to mass testing for the World Health Organization ill be talking to the scientists. Outside his stop turned away a Testing Facilities thats pretty trivial Centers Across the country are still 90. The Health Secretary says he needed but its pretty loud those whove recovered from the virus to leave isolation it could explain a system requiring wide scale testing would be nearly impossible for a country already struggling to test a tool we have on both sides of the debate. How they go to bars pandemic breaches migrant counts in france as refugees fleeing across the English Channel and charities want a humanitarian disaster but those already in the u. K. Could be destitute by cut backs in some. 684. 00 people have died from corona virus in the past 24 hours taking the total u. K. Death toll to 3605. 00 thats as Prime Minister Boris Johnson continues his own self isolation with the virus as it revealed number 10 ignored warnings to prepare for mass testing were in this im not sure but on to you case how the research so in many ways this is a key day for the Health Service isnt it yeah absolutely weve been seeing those latest figures coming out which show that yet again its been the largest rise in the number of deaths in a 24 hour period of those who have tested positive for cope at 19 so it was now 3605. 00 that takes the United Kingdom above china and iran when it comes to the number of those who have died and we can go to the nuts and called who is giving that press conference now. Good afternoon and welcome back to downing street for todays Coronavirus Press briefing im joined by our deputy medical d. Medical officer professor Jonathan Van Tam and by the chief nurse ruth may our plan is to save as many lives as possible by protecting the n. H. S. And preventing it from being overwhelmed and were doing this in 2 ways one by slowing the spread of the virus and thats why it is so important that people stay home. And thats true for everyone whos watching how important it is that we stay at home. And 2 by boosting the capacity of the n. H. S. To cath of those who fall sick that means more beds more staff more lifesaving equipment and more effective treatments will come on to that. Coronavirus continues its grim march i can report that through the governments ongoing monitoring and Testing Program according to the latest figures as of this morning a total of 173780 4 ready people have been tested of whom 38168 busy have tested positive 3605 people have sadly died. And we are reminded again today that for ready the n. H. S. This truly is the frontline in the last 24 hours 2 nurses and 2 Health Care Assistance have tragically died fighting coronavirus. Every life lost to this dreadful disease makes me more determined than ever to push for victory. And today i want to update you with the latest on what were doing to boost n. H. S. Capacity so the capacity we have to care is always above the need for that care 1st were delivering more Critical Care beds this morning i attended the opening of the new Nightingale Hospital in east london and with ruth and many others it was planned constructed and fully staffed in just 9 days and that is an Outstanding Achievement and i pay pay tribute to ruth and all whove been involved in its construction. It shows whats possible when we come together as one team in one National Effort i pay tribute to the extraordinary work of everyone the n. H. S. The military the Construction Industry who both donated supplies and of course their expertise the engineers the electricians the plumbers the caterers and others all playing their part to build a place of hope and a place of healing it was really inspiring to go and see the sheer scale of it and the teamwork going on there. And lastly i want to thank you i want to thank everyone who is at home. Because you are giving the n. H. S. The time to expand so that it can save lives by staying at home you are saving lives we have more Nightingale Hospitals planned and on the way in birmingham and manchester and glasgow and today weve announced that we will begin the work on 2 further Nightingale Hospitals in bristol and how to get. The bristle nightingale will have a capacity of up to a 1000 beds and inherit a capacity of up to 500. 00 the Nightingale Hospitals are not only not the only expansion weve seen across the n. H. S. Since the start of this crisis weve had the number of Critical Care beds to care for corona virus by over 2500 thats before the addition will get from the Nightingale Hospitals. And the result of this extraordinary work is that in every hospital in the country we have managed to expand capacity and as we stand today over 2000 critical cap bags well that was how secretary matt hancock giving the governments daily coronavirus updated a say can you sum up what the Health Secretary was talking about well mr hancock theres talking about what the priorities for the government are saying that the aim is to slow the spread of the virus and also to boost the capacity of the n. H. S. To fight it which includes more beds and he mentioned more effective medicines that hes going to go on to talk about as well as going on tuesday discuss and describe the Nightingale Hospital thats been opened at the center there in the xcel center there in east london which now has 4000 beds and he mentioned there are plans for more of those types of hospitals in manchester in birmingham in glasgow and that there are also 2 more imminent or more urgent projects to also create some of the hospitals in bristol and howard gets and he also thanked the public for really following those our orders to stay indoors and to help with that 1st objective which is to slow the spread of the virus yes indeed but in other ways as well its also been a key day for the Health Service as an absolutely weve seen mention in the opening of that center there in the socalled Nightingale Hospital there in the xcel center but also weve been seeing the government stepping up or saying that theyre going to step up their measures to test more and more frontline of the test Staff Members of the public but still the u. K. With some way to go until they reach countries like germany who are testing about half a 1000000 people a day a week and it also merges that the walls Health Organization had warned the u. K. Time months ago that time is of the essence some of the hats. Start testing people but the u. K. It would appear cordin to these reports didnt take those warnings as seriously as cops they couldnt and instead did the kind not to carry out that type of testing elsewhere Prince Charles weve seen recording a message to the and its just often forgotten also the the queen were expecting to see a video message from have to the nation being at this sunday there is a round of thank you very much indeed thanks. Well done to an m frailing from the institute of medical Genetics Joins me now from our doctor fighting thank you very much indeed for joining us so as weve been hearing as youve just recovered yourself in 1000 how are you feeling and can tell us what symptoms are experienced yeah it was very interesting i went down with symptoms on the 3rd of march which at that time in wiles i think that only been 2 people reported both of them like 40 miles east or west of me so it was an obvious as to what was going on i thought like uh possibly have it. That it got steadily worse over about 10 to 12 days and i i ventured just completely took to my bed and. I had the cough ites of a a favor of i went completely off my food of i ended up losing 7 kilograms which is like critical. And its left me extremely weak i still have a bit of a cold so its like a sorry a bit of a cough so its like if i take off my apologies. Its odd i was whats classed as moderate because i narrowly avoided hospital but i think if id had one extra risk factor i would have become a statistic i have no doubt its its really vicious and nasty and as weve seen with the Prime Minister you know he started off with oh very optimistic up and got mild symptoms and now a week or 2 on hes looking a bit rough. Isnt a porsche and certain is that he has i mean can i just ask you to find him did you get tested did you know that you had how did you have all had to do that so yeah so thats in it another interesting point. At the stage when i was starting to come symptomatic i i didnt think i could i could have it so i didnt even ask for testing and i think at that stage in wales they were only testing stuff or Something Like that and then when perhaps i could have been tested i think thats when they swapped the testing to. Only patients being a bit of hospital so i perfectly avoided being able to have an n. H. S. Test even if those have been available and its just pure sort of serendipity that because im a liberal she Medicine Specialist i have to have contacts in the in the industry and. What one of them noticed that i said some stuff on twitter. And he said in could could i send you some test kits to try you know the antibody blood test well i mean but in the mean time we had that you get well soon we have to say that of course but ill just take one of the men now i think yeah definitely on the mend which is quite true it does look a ban on how in the wider picture as well i mean how has it taken so long for the government to ramp up what seems to be a very simple test doesnt it when you look at how germany and south korea seem to be doing so much better yeah i cant really say anything about korea what i can say is that i do know that in germany they have a very much larger. Clinical the power to be testing base and theyve clearly got their act together in coordinating and agreeing on a test or tests on im not quite sure that they must be doing the smell test directly for the virus but im not sure whether theyre doing Antibody Testing as well now that i correct that they are doing that to put the test because they have to. They will issue certificates to say that people are immune and can go about their business which is something that theyve also been discussing today isnt as well in the meantime though lets look at the other side in terms of of testing it for people for us as a rule for their symptoms of the virus is there an argument there that we contest everyone is expensive a massively time consuming or well thats another interesting point it depends what value you put on the test. I dont know precisely what the cost of the direct swab test is but if you factor in somebody having to dress up in p. P. A and use a swab and then looking the sample in i would judge that its in the 50 to 100 pound bracket when you work it all out the Antibody Test. Could be substantially less than that so you could in fact offer it to lots more now we hear that the government of for millions of these tests from somewhere or other and i dont know on whose advice and then they suddenly find they dont do what they said they would on the tin and thats very upsetting confusing disturbing and this is that us as you say some conflicting advice as well defining thank you very much indeed for joining us and we had to get well saying thank you very much thank you. Well Health Service workers are being rejected from drive through Testing Facilities reportedly for not having an appointment currently around 2000 members of the national Health Service staff of being screened for the disease out of half a 1000000 front line workers meanwhile similar facilities across the country have been left virtually empty despite government promises to shopping crease Testing Facilities in london and southeast england were all reported to be empty at 4 oclock yesterday afternoon. Or frontline doctors sat not a while told me that the u. K. Is well behind the global curve on testing. Testing it would have been great if we started it a lot earlier like south korea and managed to traced contacts and stopped it but we are where we are and i think the government has really lies the seriousness of the condition is trying its best. To act. And do the testing. Its not a total fail proof method and so to rest resources are required like specialists and setting and equipment dave where were hearing though that the centers are there the Testing Centers the n. H. S. Staff but theyre empty while people using them. I think theyre probably if only just recently been set up and they arent aware of them as yet they arent aware of where to go for testing. Havent been referred dont have the appointments there various probably failings. That you know its all new to everybody and it just probably hasnt been orchestrated as well as it should have been day thats a given uniting our hospital that is a step forward it is a positive step forward its taken 9 days to be set up so if we can do a hospital in one day surely we can do testing and procurement as well cant wait. It as i said earlier that you would hope so but at the same time testing does require specialist equipment and specialist abilities of the star who will be doing that testing so that all techs takes time to set up. Well lets take a look at how the u. K. Home nations are responding to the coronaVirus Outbreak the Welsh Government says companies will be legally obliged to keep employees 2 metres apart starting from early next week while scottish 1st minister nicolas surgeon says there is no evidence whatsoever the virus will peak in scotland in a weeks time it comes as Police Scotland issue over 140. 00 penalties to those ignoring lock down rules on social distancing on thursday the global figure has reached a grim milestone with the number of confirmed worldwide cases of coronavirus so passing the 1000000 mark over 55000 have died in connection with the illness want more than 220000 have recovered the u. S. Has the highest number of confirmed cases making up almost a quarter of global cases while spain has recorded the 1st 4 in its daily death toll since the end of march. Coming up after the break the government suggests immunity certificates for those who have recovered from the virus could help to get some britons back to work but will it work here for both sides. Pandemic which is french migrant councils refugees fleeing to the u. K. But support here is also being cant follow the outbreak. Micrographs friends arent slights against you know whites or men for example theres their slights against women or nonwhites so its always you know the idea is that statements that directed toward a Privileged Group are interpreted differently than a statement directed toward a oppressed group and so thats kind of the whole framework and its a its a political framework thats used the result is of course focusing at least on certain kinds of minor slights and say well rather than a northern northern we need to call attention to them but its not all slight so its a very political in this continent. And this community there are people who believe that its ok. Its really hard there are no jobs and you see the kids ask and as a parent. I can come up with lots of arguments theres a lot of conflict in the game and between the teams most of the conflict i would say over most rahmani and most of them is me. Close one you know the childrens cosimo each other this could be just the state of california alone to make 6000000000. 00 you have to prison complex just to get some when you live where. You dont care and where nobody cares about you so you dont care mind anything. Welcome back the u. K. Government is considering issuing immunity certificates for those whove recovered from the corona virus speaking at the government study press briefing Health Secretary matt hancock said the move could release these people from the lock down earlier than the rest of the u. K. We are looking at an immunity certificate and how we can how how people who are have to have the disease have got the antibodies and therefore have immunity can show that and so get back as much as normal to as much as possible to normal life while cox said the documents could be issued once Antibody Tests which determine whether a person has had the virus are developed or rolled out German Authorities are looking into a similar permit scheme while those hoping to enter hue 8 or thailand require medical certificates proving they dont have the disease but critics argue testing the whole population would be time consuming expensive and could lead to a false sense of security if the virus mutates and to infect the population meanwhile number 10 said it was monitoring developments in other countries and was always willing to adopt useful ideas this is something which has been discussed in other countries we have always said that we are watching closely what other countries are doing and we will always look to learn from ideas which could be helpful so are they certificates an important step forward or a red herring well earlier i debated this with loyally get asked and liberal democrat politician helen belcher. There are 2 aspects to this the 1st is the practicality of doing it with still any testing 10000 people a day for the virus there is no Antibody Test that is functional which has been currently developed and weve got 66000000 people in the country to try and test to get certificates for and naturally some of them will require retesting so the practicalities of this are impossible and also you then have the unintended consequence is so it is quite possible that employees for example will turn around and say well actually you must have a valid Antibody Test we also dont know whether immunity is perpetual or whether it expires whether the antibodies that people generate when they fight the disease are the same so what we might be many different kinds of antibodies and how distinct are those antibodies from other antibodies things that are common you know very very bright is a common cold about a 3rd of what we think is the common cold a caused by other part types of corona virus known claim is going to be easy but it can be managed you know germany has implemented a system that which we are attempting to model and i think what we cant do is underestimate the economic damage of the entire population being on lockdown you know were seeing a 1000000 new claims for Social Security or you equivalent in this country going in suggesting people are either losing their jobs feel as if theyre about to lose their jobs people are barely able to get by and the government can only underwrite the wages of the entire population for so long is absolutely vital that we start to see this lockdown as the absolute catastrophe that it is this is going to end lives its going to rip up peoples businesses its going to rip up peoples jobs its going to end the employment of millions and millions of people its going to have untold impact on Peoples Mental Health peoples well being that they when the people were trying to protect those who are vulnerable over 70 and cetera you know these are the people who want to be suffer the most. From the lockdown because theyre living often in isolation cut off from any help from their families the longer this goes on the more catastrophic the impact is going to be so we have to explore absolutely any avenue we can which will allow people to return to work where possible you could you end up with a 2 tier society of those who could afford the tests and those who couldnt hear but i mean implementing this list scheme is also probably going to end up with a 2 to society because people who are supposedly safe to work with the the certificate and those who are not so what does that do does that then prompt people to go out and seek to be infected so you know that this isnt as a sort of a straightforward solution yes there are economic problems obviously you see it all around you talked again about the 1000000 people going for universal credit this is a tragedy its a huge tragedy but what we need to do is we need to concentrate on on containing the virus as much as possible and thats what places like japan china south korea have all tried to do and seem to be succeeding at so that that seems to me to be the most obvious short Term Solution and if they respond to that very quickly if you dont mind but thats exactly what it is its a short Term Solution and its a short term if solution we need to start looking beyond the short term because this curve will be flattened and you know we will hopefully start to see a slow in the rate of infections but the question has to then be asked what then and i think Matt Hancocks proposal is a welcome step in the right direction towards getting people back to normal life which has to be now a priority. A charity has warned of a humanitarian Crisis Brewing in refugee camps in northern france after case of the virus was confirmed that says the u. K. s border force is bringing ashore feeding migrants near the u. K. s dover port its not clear how many boats are being intercepted but the founder of the charity care for kerry has urged the government to take swift action. They have to do something now they have to get the the ability to isolate and separate up because everybody in the camp is going to have it its literally a humanitarian disaster something has to be done now well meanwhile campaigners warn that hundreds of refugees may have been left without any support during the pandemic home Office Policy says Asylum Seekers can get a place in shared accommodation and 37 pounds a week but this ceases after 28 days which means claimants must find a job housing or apply for benefits but critics say this is particularly hard to do during the corona Virus Outbreak when the country is in lockdown campaign as one such measures have already forced refugees to become homeless in response the home office announced people with granted status wont be evicted from their accommodation for the next 3 months the safety and health of people in our accommodation and the communities in which they live is of the utmost importance Asylum Seekers who would normally no longer be eligible for free accommodation or financial payments because their claim has been resolved will continue to receive support for the next 3 months we will continue to adjust our processes and procedures where necessary and appropriate including reinstating support on a case by case basis human rights lawyer should wear them come told me the u. K. Must take all migrants during the crisis or risk and knock on effect on the rest of society. Obviously there are powers and tens of thousands of people there and in other counts and greece other countries where these people are there obviously i mean they have accommodation they have a roof over their head if you can call it out and that seems to be the extent of their support and assistance that they receive and in particular in this situation now we just cannot not even if we dont necessarily treat them in a particular new or humane rate or think that we necessarily need to be looking not providing them with anything in particular im but at least for the safety of the community this side the public in general we just cannot allow you know. As these counts and other similar situation that we called in petri dishes or not in cuba ages where you know definitely the and the virus will reach and once it does it will just break and there are tens of thousands of these people who will then be exposed to it so i think all of the welfare benefit of the whole Community Something has to be done what trouble is going to say i mean if if more people are trying to flee here a bit better not likely to be safe here either either because we have coronavirus here you know exactly of course i you know i mean of course that is something that your god hes there and here now at the site and looking into and obviously we have this situation particularly from france we dont generally taken to you know that you know although they have these towns but its fine if someone tries to cross the channel somehow make their way into bridgetown and then its for the british authorities to process them and treat them according to a british or human rights law but i think now is that i when governments authorities on both sides of the town of and others local authorities as well need to be taking a more humane more sensible approach to best. 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