A virus they see in us that it would seem bad again how it out there what the end of favorite already and they in my office because he immediately when he actually at the end he does for all of the people entering they all say well weve decided that theyve got it and i think he quit meant that and sat that its raining or that you was of the equipment and. That actually did the right it was but i didnt know that you didnt go insane that community in this situation is it be too difficult because many genetic titian its got sneak and that so that people are that whole mess and they need. To seek for a cat and that device for doctors so what we had doing in my office because sometimes we had again i think a kind of from saturdays of a doctor as wedding day full on for all other people that that he told that so it sort of he said i dont think i need. Ok well we have a phone Service Although its been quite controversial trying to get through to it were also putting thousands of beds 4000 beds in a Conference Center in the east london here but what advice would you give given that you just talked about protective equipment should good doctors and nurses and cleaners should they wear dustbin bags what should they do here because we have a shortage of Protection Equipment in this country for a front line National Health service yet they did they shut it to ask if protective equipment i use they use any a show what. You need to do it out and i live they use of them so use them exactly as the it is that i commanded and we really with were getting reports that doctors and nurses are reusing the protective equipment because there just isnt enough here in britain we at all very much what a day about their masks which at import that to back to these vitals its the same sees natalee s. Trading today had it back there also and maybe mainly tragus could face these and the contact so is that really in part and thought to wash and and you know to have a can become a factor of desire to us and that door i gin in them vitamin you should look at counties to stop the spread of dividing they get to read a lot to us in my domain as measures to keep that oil day places clean and and try to avoid on that do you think its a problem for britain that you for instance tested a patient i understand in february and of course you subsequently tested positive for cove it 19 do you think its a problem that we still havent got testing kits here in britain and similarly in the United States that they have not been testing at a big level for corona virus so i. I guess if they 1st identified the caves in my office speak out on the 26th of february. Where i was protected and we did he equipment and you did have to do that desk that i and my fat for the benefit in terms on that of the scratch if youre that that peabody inec that the of that is that this can be negative today maybe you put a cape outlets that can be people as if this is why you had a new telly they decided to test only people weve seen in films back that they think is that he leave. Out do you use that that is out of the best for them because the test is asked depends on the situation hes like a photography of that moment so this situation can change in 48 hours so maybe if they would be valid for different kind of tests and i that he detests which to add that there is as go inside that i can wage these might really have. Well there are reports of some new halley tests and of course over here you can get privately tested im going to ask you anecdotally not scientifically you tested of course positive but im sure you know of people that have died of the virus is there any correlation is it obviously people with underlying illness is there more susceptible to dying from covert 19 and are you seeing any other correlations why is it were getting reports of younger people now dying of coronavirus you my experience or what i am upset when i say what is the my god if you ask that we have that you may ask because i have between esthetically people are so are above 85 even 1000 are solely because we have another single tread that lead people is if youre going to say because there are people even we deny that a disease is quite. Like 4550 s so again they developed a theory of the internet that added people are we to many diseases say and they dont develop serious illnesses so far im not experiencing a clear correlation between there the diseases you add for their their your genetic condition and their 11 of these deputy that look because ive got an upright dr sylvia big meanie thank you thank you very much thank you. Well if you believe the u. S. Department of labor theres nothing anecdotal about the greatest rise in unemployment in u. S. History and here in universal britain initiatives like the universal basic income to save millions from the effects of coronavirus are being shot down by x. Goldman sachs banker and current you can chancellor if you dont act joining me is the man that could have been advising the government on implementation of u. B. I have Jeremy Corbyn and one december general election his new book is battling a giants basic income now guy thanks so much for coming on you know before i even get to the book awards your reaction to this unprecedented jobs figure how can you elaborate economies cope with unemployment rises like 3280000 in the United States and who knows what its going to be in britain well i think were reaching the bubble quite near the girl. 3 to 8 when and where confronted by unique combination of circumstances she will try that where just a small downturn will lead to a cascading situation of holiness most people on unable to help that and a lack of the month full basic goods and services and the respect the job or attention scheme wont succeed it is chronically inefficient it is going to be a list that at least. Its highly regressive maybe the government already realizes it because its trumpeting the fact that hundreds of thousands. Of people maybe millions by the time the repeats of this program is shown are claiming universal credit the phone lines are open and things are going really well for universal credit you call immoral in your new book 8 battling a giants basic income now yes because huge numbers of people love qualified for the universal credit card and the only way they can operate you know thats a credit is in effect a battling universal credit a basic income well if our more transparent far more easy to operate and far more easy to understand ordinary people and their well huge numbers people who fall through the cracks into total destitution are more people in diprivan the longer this current that doris will go on and the worse the consequences of the recession and depression. Then why is it that Boris JohnsonDonald Trump New liberal leaders are saying theyre going to put up their arms around us there is no pro carry out anymore the word that you so often used before although some people have been alleging that johnson has been slow to act because people were trying to force his hand with the universal being basic income something he really did not want to do. Well i think the kerry sujan gretton as in other countries and i think the the theme of my book the 8 giants. Involved millions of people in britain the inequality is going to be increased not decreased in this crisis the insecurity which is the 2nd giant in the book is going to become Even Stronger and even deeper the debt that i mentioned earlier is going to get worse the stress off the book is already enormous and is going to be intensified enormously by this this virus as it all unfolds the sense of precarity the sense of being supplicants not having rights this is something that was already in demick in the system and is going to be intense by and that is why we need a transparent universal income through law that everybody would get and that list they would have basic security and they will not be understand as built into the system which is what unfortunately the chance has introduced its arguably being influenced and amplified by the only garcon the media in this country but tory the tory architect of universal credit bedroom taxes to child policies Ian Duncan Smith here says it is a disincentive to work it is an affordable and got to think of it if as youre saying these policies are going to exacerbate the problems of the precariat we have the army now to instill nor an order i listened to his statements and i think that crisis if theres anything that is stronger as a disincentive so work it is this scheme that they just introduced you will only get it if your per load and if you are green not to do any work thats a crazy its just assessed up with a basic income you overcome. The poverty trap that in duncan smith has admitted exists so it to me a basic thing that is actually an incentive to work and the evidence they show in the book shows very clearly from around the world that when people have basic security they were law not less and theyre more productive when they work not less so in a plant its complete middle class prejudice on his part that he thinks that people would stop work he receives huge subsidies from the government and sell to his family i dont notice that that has him doing work well people are going to read the book and watch our previous interviews where you give more detail arguably on the universal basic income given that you would have been advising a labor government if you call been had one do you think now your idea will die if the favorite to replace corgan cares dhamma is to lead the labor party. I think they will introduce it i was very impressed. Large number of. From across the political spectrum and members of the house of lords signing a letter last week in favor but. I think we should be introducing pilots immediately in certain areas to roll it out and show how. I feel that this is a low moment larry is governments in various countries are going to move in this direction the inevitability of Something Like a basic income is going to go on even the most. Opponents professor guy can executive very much off of a brick how does communist cuba offer a guaranteed universal income and lead the global fight against coronavirus and major nations with its still just and medical treatments all of them all coming about you are going on the ground. Bleeding and weird things by the way its called superstition or magical thinking believing weird things like that is not a bug in the system its a feature think toms equipped in the software of our program to try to connect things in the environment just in case theres a real connection. Welcome back in the 1st half we heard about what more needs to be done by neo liberal western countries to tackle coronavirus but what is the solution lies in a tiny communist country dozens of videos posted on social media last week showed cuban doctors arriving in nature countries like italy where the pandemic had hit the. Hardass to help slow the virus so why is a country seen by many in nature nations as a failed state proving so proficiency when it comes to medical internationalism and humanitarian aid joining me via skype from glasgow is dr helen yaphet whose new book we are cuba how revolutionary people have survived in a post soviet world explores how the islands revolutionary people have survived despite decades of u. S. Sanctions and tara thank you so much ellen for coming on the show said 62 years ago this month the usa began the military blockade of cuba why if someone reads your book would you not be surprised to see cuban doctors arriving in italy or british passengers on a cruise ship showing a banner we love i love cuba after reading your book. Well exactly and the medical internationalism that we see today thats being celebrated in terms of peoples contribution to the coding 19 pandemic has actually been a key feature of Cuban Foreign policy for 60 years of the revolution initially it was mostly medics who were accompanying soldiers who were at assisting with National Liberation struggles all around africa and other regions really in since the late 1990 s. The shift of human internationalism has gone for military medical and we saw that 1st with. The after hurrican was in Central America and the cuban sent medics and when they got there they found that they just there was an infrastructure in place to be able to assist people in the way that was needed and that is when fidel castro had the initiative at the d end of the 1990 s. To set up a Latin American School of medicine and initially for populations from Central America which had been and then stated by natural disasters to come and train so that they wouldnt just be dependent on cuban medics but to d help them to establish the stayner pull and health care that was universal and free at the point of delivery and and since then weve seen the numbers of human medical professionals overseas and growing and growing in venezuela most people will have her out of the oil for Doctors Program which source someplace he files and and cuban medical professionals who are working in venezuela in 2014 we had the deadly outbreak of the ebola virus in west africa and the cubans already had teams in several of the countries are affected and they pulse to those teams with specialists who could help them to combat the deadly. Elaborate ok but in this country all we hear about is british soldiers actually helping a bowler in africa and theres been very little about even pictures on Mainstream Media here about cuba helping in a time of coronavirus let alone the fact that you mention the revolution they dont really mention the nato countries of course supported the fascist dictatorship that castro overthrew were told in britain all the time and certainly in the United States people are told the cuba is a repressive dictatorship far worse than any. Offering far less fear of life outcomes than youd get in any british or american in a city the only issue is that cuba actually presents a threat to the dominant political and Economic System around the world the fact that a small caribbean island nation which was subjected to hundreds of years of colonialism and imperialism and and thinks the revolution has effectively been subject to a very punitive and stringent blockade by the United States which includes in the restrictions and Healthcare Equipment educational treatment food and medicine the fact that a country like that can and actually lead to the welt in medical internationalism have more doctors working overseas and the World Health Organization has put out some inspired Technology Industry and that you know offer hope at this precise moment of the of the pandemic but also you know that Offering Solutions to diabetic foot ulcers affects you know nearly half a 1000000000 people well why theyre Offering Solutions for a lung cancer they havent lung cancer vaccine and immunotherapy which is currently being trialled actually in new york so you know theres always an attack. I dont sort of sally the reputation of cuba because what pops is a threat to the system is if people start to examine hugo too closely and say well how is that possible how can this small island despite being a green fighting mightiest economic and political power on the planet how can it have resisted but not only resisted because i think the argument that im making in my book is that hubris best form of resistance has actually been to develop an alternative model of development and that is the socialist system and you know for years when you started Human History d and all policies you could read the english language text and they would tell you that the the cuban revolution was only 35 in france to solve your hate because it was a satellite and soviet union but by the time my book was published the cuban revolution has existed independently and for longer out since the soviet bloc collapsed and before so theres a story to be told do you think the pictures if you see them on independent media and on social media of the cuban doctors will finally put that to bed that it was somehow cuban communism only survived because of the u. S. S. R. I mean tell me about interferon b. Which are presumably americans wont be able to have access to as a possible therapeutic for coronavirus because of the sanctions what does interfere and me. Well interferon b. Is ringback an antiviral drug which the which is being developed by various Pharmaceuticals Companies around the world that cubans have their version of interferon after today and that i am starting to work with interferons to move in 45 days they have their own distinctive cuban interface interferon product now this was very fortunate because within a few weeks of that they had a very very real an outbreak of and then the fever it was a form of thank you that had never been seen in the americans before and the cuban suspected the cia the state department of 90 but a recent investigation has using bioinformatics hands in the cubans claim shown that the cia was involved in the instruction of this and the fever now the cubans used the interferon in the 1st ever Mass Public Health campaign therapy advent combat the only fever and they were successful in may and they produced this product and interferon have to be in 1986 it has Different Solutions and stabilizes to the products produced in other countries therefore it is a distinctly human product to have to think britain Boris Johnson better than donald trump of the United States should be asking to work with cuba on this i should say the British Government did thank the cuban government for. A loan in the caribbean accepting a shipper where covert per 1000. 00 cases were but britain has so far not condemned obviously the blockade joining this pandemic. No i mean the the British Government like most governments in the out in fact all governments in the weld x. Usually except 2 which is the United States and israel does actually vote against the us blockade of cuba in the General Assembly in the amul where cuba condemns the blockade and so the question is should should they be are asking for access to this interferon which the chinese National Health commission and up to this antiviral are trying to come back over 19 and has found it to be very effective its now according to documents ive seen at the top of them its for treatment and if this treatment has been solicited now from cuba by at least 15 countries were hearing but you know ive been contacted by people in the United States and in hospitals in here all they are also pretty desperate to get hold of this and you know they face the fact that they have the u. S. Brocade which will deny them access yes and if there is evidence that interferon alpha to be is you know assisting patients and stopping them get and stopping the slowing down the death rate reducing the deficit and the British Government should absolutely be talking to cuber about how they can access this about the point is cuba is characterized as being a dictatorship to have no democracy whatsoever and yet your book appears to be saying its a country where theres constant debate constant critiques constant changes of government policy through consultations and referendum. Well look there are different in understanding some both human rights and democracy and so the United Nations recognizes 2 sets of human rights and one set of economic social and cultural rights the other set a Civil Liberties and political right now essentially plan socialist Economic System where Human Welfare is prioritized social economic and cultural rights have to be prioritized and of in the United States its about the Civil Liberties and Political Rights which essentially means freedom to set up your own business is part of a People Freedom oath and speech but only if you have access you know all the freedoms that actually are mediated by your access to purchase them so in cuba the most fundamental right of the right to life and to have the right to life you need to have access free universally so all of those things that we need to move food Health Care Education but they have a concept the concept of living which is much higher on the other question of democracy you know if you take the profile and political expression all of the mostly in france comes to these countries which is the multiparty system usually procapitalist parties and if you take that as meaning democracy you look for that in cuba you find its missing and therefore you can conclude that humor is not democratic but they have a different system of representation so i can give you an example the current process of for forms is taking place under the label of the guidelines for the economic and social policy and these wild produce these are actual guidelines on changes they want to see happening they were produced and distributed to every single cuban into beit about this document there were nearly 9000000 people participating and those comments were registered and they were centralized and they were analyzed categorized and 68 percent of that document was subsequently change as a result. Of Public Opinion well if cuba is also better suited to cope with a pandemic the editor of the Peer Reviewed lancet said social justice was key in in responding to the pandemic and collective action is going to be more useful than thatcherite blairite individualism what about now the threat of capitalism emerging on the island well you know then cubas room for maneuver has been restrained and restrained and particularly since the trumpet ministration. They have introduced these reforms which i referred to which do create spaces for the market they have created many and self employed people many on Small Businesses and and all of these things are economic necessity why are there any cannot make necessity because like any country in the wealth let alone a country going to develops or centuries as i said cuba needs capital it cannot get the capital it needs for investments in infrastructure and productivity and for improvements in peoples lives it cant get externally and frou. d cuba is not a member of the i. M. F. The world bank or any of these are International Financial institutions the problem is that the Trump Administration has revised all of the openings of the d blockade because of course about and never going to procreate in fact he his progress was very limited but the trumpet ministration has now taken a someplace possibly more aggressive than any president since the cuban the beginning of the cuban revolution hes in that in something called true free of the hands balancing act on the helms person act was piece of u. S. Legislation which defies the u. S. Blockade in law but title 3 was never implemented because it has such drastic implications not just became a vote for any country in the world wants to trade with cuba and in. What implies is that any us business and all individual who own property that was nationalized during the revolution where her or not the fact is that they will offer to compensation which they turned and if any fed policy and invest with all or all any kind of business with the that tokens he now they can be sued in the us court so totally illegal in the International Terms is actually territorial application of the us role not telling the ethic thank you thats it for the show will be back on wednesday irans Islamic Republic day is the us sanctioned country that reported in the numbers death every 10 minutes now received support from cuba until then for all the news not covered by the Mainstream Media join the on the ground by following us on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram its. Not likely. That. Your government and our government and all the other major governments of the world know whats going to happen and when its going to. But they havent told you and they havent told me they havent announced. Imagine something as big as the earth. Is going to cause tidal waves earthquakes volcanoes erupt and its going to chill. So very for a while right. My great grandfathers. Nobody would care about the law or prison so youd have wallace the should have. A terrible life between the and the. Moscow residence are all due to self isolates only leaving the homes when absolutely necessary its the toughest step so far in russias bid to contain the spread of copious 90. Youll 1st responders struggle to contain the outbreak in americas worst hit city President Donald Trump claims that the keeping the u. S. Death toll below 100000 would be a quote very good job. Youre talking about 2200000 deaths if we could hold that down as were saying 200000 its a horrible number