Underground and in the u. K. And ireland sputnik is coming why stay with. After a time and welcome to going underground amidst a Coronavirus Crisis and ahead of next weeks planned istanbul summit between you leaders as nato member Turkey Threatens the e. U. For alleged violations of International Refugee law coming up on the show as Boris Johnsons government declares support for thursdays u. S. Warplane attack on iraq killing Iraqi Soldiers Police and the civilians how is the Kurdish Community in iraq supported u. S. Policy ahead of mondays anniversary of the massacre weaponized by britain and the United States we speak the kurdish high representative to the u. K. To hear what now for afghanistan of the trunk begins repatriating thousands of his soldiers the revolutionary association of the women of afghanistan tells us what was. Cheve the longest war in u. S. History plus up to 10 years of austerity and one of the lowest numbers of offical beds per capita in the western world as newcomer tory johnson rishi select u. K. Budget promised enough to tackle coronavirus we ask former scotland secretary David Mendell all the more good well be in todays going underground but 1st im here the deacon temporary gallery in mayfair in london with high representatives of the United Kingdom of the kurdistan region of iraq cohen jamal to here thank you so much for inviting us into the gallery can i just ask you 1st tell me about the exhibition here in london and how it is inspired by the journeys of a community that is what up to 35000000 people in the world yes well thank you so much for having me today and thanks for coming to this art exhibit should this art exhibit is part of the concept of cultural diplomacy of could have some original government representation here in london we initiated this project for one to promote the kurdish culture in britain 2nd to create a platform for our artists included some region so they can. Get out from the local exhibit into International Exhibition because theyre from iraq and from syria and the whole different regions know this is particularly from current stump region of iraq so the artist came from could somebody general for iraq we have 5 artists who contributed or participated in this Art Exhibition and it is sad reflection of their yes of denial repression of the Kurdish People into somebodys gen under their hand of dictatorship saddam assam throughout his thrall in iraq and also reflected in the values that we believe in could stump. The value of peace the violence of course existence and the value of empowerment of women flaw you mention in justice there understand youre going to have a rally at the house of commons about the massacre the anniversary of which is on the 17th of march just explain what an object a massacre was because obviously that was a time when the United States and britain supported Saddam Husseins yes well let me add to the arctic submission i was so pleased and delighted that this art exhibit and coincide with. To mull towards events in march 1 of them that shoot just mentioned an uprising include some region the Kurdish People in in kurdistan region swift the regime the boss regime and the Iraqi Military and within the region territory we stood for freedom and democracy and a prize in itself and could somebody gin was a response to the years of denial under oppression and dictatorship in iraq some viewers may not even realize that the british and the United States supported Saddam Hussein just tell me about the dramatic and just very briefly to remind our viewers what it was in 1988 sin gassed the city of all of its 5000 civilian. Elderly people young people children were killed in an blink of folly and 10000 were injured. And affected by this poison gas and still. Thats caused a long tim illness for the people in a weapons sent by the americans with this old Saddam Hussein i know theres all history good as regards justice presumably good review never seen justice with the people because of the. Aftermath of the hiller well the chemical hasnt been sent by any particular country saddam san and its regime had capability of producing Chemical Material in iraq and they had this chemical weapon in. And in iraq who he has on you now have called your relations with the British Foreign office and i repeat the goods. We surprise of the 1st big major foreign visit were of only grab the foreign secretary was to turkey to shake hands with mr herder one well this International Relations i mean every country try to the maximum to maintain Good Relationships with International Community and. Its worth mention that in 1991. Britain at the time said john major and his government initiated the north fly zone and could have some region to protect the could from Saddam Hussein and its military to attend back at an attack because the people and at that time we started to stop blish. Democratic institution we had the feste democratic election in 199092 when. We elected to parliament and then on government and incurred some breach and so since then i could understand become. A region of imagine democracy within this very. Tough for some viewers may be surprised about the fact that you mention that given how for 1000000 children reputedly were killed by the sanctions by western governments on iraq joining the drum major government. Youre saying the no fly zone which is obviously a precursor to the all out invasion of iraq. Looking back you see that was a good thing the reason im asking of course is in recent years because of the Kurdish Community has aligned themselves very strongly with washington in syria well of course it was a very good thing because saddam pulled off a 1000000 children dying because of u. N. Sanctions supported there was a sanction on iraq as a whole and there was to sanction on kind of stunned region at the time one International Sanction and 2nd iraq sanction on could Somebody Just because couldnt somebody gin where not longer under the general direction or control of that dictatorship since 1901 but there was also a program in oil for food oil for food so they International Community or the United Nations are you nervous i made sure that about this that are shown hundreds of thousands of children died under this program the reason of the relevance today obviously is that the Kurdish Community have become deeply involved in the proxy war in syria britain of course bombed syria what side of the kurds on of the media historic mistake by allied themselves with washington in syria given that president assad of syria now saying we wont even talk to the Kurdish Community in syria until they stop being the tool of outside proxies well so very complex situation in. In the area especially in syria the major powers conflict. In that region made there this conflict probably for the high representative in london and the kurds aligned themselves according to us and according to putin according to rouhani. You guys allied with the cia i know thats not true statement. Presenting couldnt some region of iraq not represented in that. The kurds in syria or could see in turkey and or could in iran. We maintain a very Good Relationship with the United States of america and other countries as well they were there for us at the time of need United States helped could have some region throughout that. Conflict and. Without the support of International Community we wouldnt be able to model these victories and specially juden the isis war to you fine with the United States. Support for Kurdish Groups in new of the syria and elsewhere and your final Donald Trumps announcement that oversee was rejoining Financial Support for Kurdish Groups in Northern Syria we were disappointed by that decision to withdraw all of the sudden from syria and leave. The Kurdish Group who do you think president assad things of that result own fact they didnt leave they were still there and they still consider the Kurdish People in syria as their credible partner and the statement is always that they have accomplished chop to your position as representative here in london is that the United States has a rule to play in syria which of course is completely rejected by president assad in damascus the situation is really complex. United states is there. N. Syria some of the country are there. And sometimes colliding interests between these major powers made the situation even worse than arguably israel other criticism of Kurdish Groups across the whole spectrum for their different positions what is your position for instance on the assassination by dont trumps forces of customs away money the arabian general because as far as i understand it london has never condemned this isolation well we were really concerned about these situations because we want to maintain a Good Relationship with everyone. And we dont want iraq to become a battlefield for these major powers to settle their differences on iraqi soil so at the beginning when the incident happened we. We try to play a role in the escalating the situation and surprise and condemn these as nation london had their view on that incident and they made the statement on the incident and you should ask the government of britain about this question high representative thank you thanks so much for having me and i dont know if i can shake hands because we have to prevent ourselves from this crowing of i actually know you mentioned coronavirus what is the extent of coronavirus in the rug well this epidemic its affecting the entire world if we took. All measures to close down obo this with iran the very men begin in limited in their flight in and out. Into could the stagnant out of kurdistan region weve been educating the people or the population in could sound region to avoid themselves from gathering and this washing hand that everyone talking about it. We have 16 cases we have one dead who had a underlining condition swabian very become very. Unaffected we have a cut on tin can about it. We have 16 cases we have one dead who had a underlining condition swabian very become very. Unaffected we have a cut on teen. Places which we hold 2000 people at the moment 800 of them. To tend to their families and home and i think weve been taking tough measures in kurdistan region to stop the spread of this virus across some preachin corridors and thank you thank you so much coughing and the exhibition here actually d. Contemporary gallery is on till wednesday v. A. G. The march after the break what is the cost of the longest war in u. S. History afghanistan we are asked the revolutionary association of the women of afghanistan as leader was allegedly assassinated by one of the afghan peace talks negotiators sponsored by the us plus if the u. K. Budget arguably opens the floodgates for public money into private contractors what can coronavirus cash do for Healthcare Systems damaged by 10 years of austerity we asked to raise a maze scotland secretary David Mundell all of them all going on. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy people in sunday shouldnt let it be an arms race off and spearing Dramatic Development only mostly im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. As a nation from which to be a cement dust. Settle for the president has come up for from the forward looking at short term 1st for nature my plans you know to try to accomplish. The. Purpose. It was because the global world d was going to have to pull through this needs is it in your voice you. Have the displeasure of us moving the support of the family meaning youre fighting with the fuckers about. Something left the porch out of about 4 to 6 months because in the south. Welcome back british and american troops are preparing to return home after the longest war in u. S. History so after millions dead wounded or displaced what did they achieve the only 2 decades on members of one ngo called rawa the revolutionary association of the women of afghanistan still believe their fight for womens rights makes them targets for assassination joining me now via skype from kabul is heeler a representative from roa whose leader meena catch wa come out was allegedly killed by u. S. Sponsored afghan peace talks negotiator the socalled warlord go but in the healer what does it say about afghanistan after the United States is longest war in its history the you cant even show your face in an interview like this and remind us who mena cash. Was who who died 33 years ago allegedly at the hands of google doing that one of the negotiators at the current afghanistan peace talks sponsored by the United States we know was. Under anteater. And she was at. The heart. Surgeon. And. Now our have been. Continuing struggle for the past 30 years and we have been finding. That a nation the only thing that the real murderer. The playing behind. The merger and actually in our goal being kicked out world of not on the not prosecuted he was not punished and it just goes to show that the us has not and will continue to foster and stand fundamentalist crim that the kind of. The taliban are the brother of. God and then he backyards and the us is going to continue to create and nurture terrorist organizations obviously britain in the United States now denies its helping any terrorist they do acknowledge of they help those that were linked to those that planned 911. 00. For 20 years of by bombing your country they have actually been reading it of islam ist why is it 2021000 years later. Around our representative doesnt feel safe showing your face. Brought 7423 bombs on your country just in 2019. The war in afghanistan. This war was never against terrorists it was again carol that are not and i repeat not on the payroll of the cia and the us the terrorist group. Whose activity theyre going against the u. S. And cia but other than that the u. S. Has never had a war with these terrorist groups because they create a. And the terrorist groups have really never had one with the unit i mean going to be. Awful all the time but i mean you can see that as you see that and theres only innocent civilians dying every day and theyre not part of that. Ok you have literally only been in this scenario are people and that should be. But. Of course we dont know the numbers of afghan women or men who have died or been displaced or wounded thousands of british soldiers have been. Killed or wounded in this conflict the Vice President of afghanistan the National Assembly if i was a koofi welcome the International Criminal courts announcements there will be it will investigate u. K. U. S. War crimes in afghanistan do you think that the women of afghanistan will get some kind of just as if war crimes are investigated the i. C. C. War crimes defacto by u. K. And u. S. Soldiers the u. S. Has committed. That kind of that humanity and that it have been involved in mass killings it has. Abused and tortured people and that bank. And. I mean it any business just a fraction. Of that will that have been really needed that we can beat if you will i mean theres a cache of documents that distract the crime that you get which according to the that you know all that it dont work that what i say to get at the picture and the crank definitely need to be investigated and the perpetrators and you need to be pretty cute it according to the un special rapporteur on torture we mention we keep leaks Julian Assange is currently being tortured according to the un in london at the moment i just want to quickly ask you that if britain and the United States hadnt started bombing your country in 2001 do you think things would have been better. I think if the u. S. And britain hadnt bombed the sun how did they do the current stance and then going 20 years further from 2000 which is the 980 s. If they hadnt created. The fundamentalist monsters which is the Northern Alliance john hartley which are in the government today which is the taliban government today and even recent creation which i think that were exported from from syria if they had not created these monsters then. Guess and if you have been better off without them and without their direct occupation certainly this is something we all believe that we believe the end. So i think any of it is a put down. Its a dependable song. And then. Theyre lucky some equally agents fundamentalists and the other. Part of the government today thank you well there was little talk of u. K. Spending on wars around the world at this weeks budget statement with fewer than 4 weeks in the job former Goldman Sachs banker in the u. K. Chancellor rhee she soon are going to build plans on wednesday for a multibillion dollar government borrowing to fight couvade 19 but given 2 years of what the u. N. Has called cruel and inhuman u. K. Austerity can the money make any difference going on the ground social media producer fine im going to caught up with conservative m. P. And former scotland secretary David Mendell outside parliament to ask him about the budget i think so far the government has made a good job of dealing with this crisis a very very difficult situation a very focused on following the medical advice and the chancellor has made very clear that he will make whatever resources are necessary available to the n. H. S. To allow them to deal with the coronavirus as it emerges in the u. K. But at the point where any chance resources are stretched rather than they are at this moment then Additional Resources will be available. Barbara seans on the government side of the and i just as part of the survey that was done on the n. H. S. Doctors over 99 percent said that i just wasnt prepared so as the all of the measures theyve been outlined on limited funding for the n. H. S. If its necessary to count the damage beyond done i think their excess is actually in pretty good shape obviously theres always more. That can be done theres always more resources that are sought but this government has demonstrated by over a period of conservative rule a commitment to funding the n. H. S. Beyond in fact what any other Political Party in the u. K. Had committed to. So i think that we have to just focus on the 2 elements of coronavirus at the moment which is one you know managing the outbreak here in the u. K. To ensuring that the n. H. S. Has the resources to deal with it and of course the chancellor also set out a very significant package of measures to help those people who wont be able to go to walk during the fall as a part of the outbreak and also to help businesses get through a very difficult time and money of. Such jobs resignation Dominic Cummings was sunshiny the puppet master behind the new chancellor regime tonight has though have those allegations been disproven i think rashid i said how his organ budget i think he demonstrated he was a hes all mine he had a number of innovative measures that hadnt been speculated on how i thought he delivered the budget in a very common assault effective way you know ive seen many budget say over the years and there was absolutely nothing to suggest that he wasnt up to the job of being the chancellor and was actually doing what he thought was best for this country and maybe want some maybe on the right of the consult the policy might be saying is that because of the policies been dragged to the left by the labor policies today we saw massive skeins reinstalls spending pledges norrington National Debt so theres a consults of policy to consolidate its position after the election with especially with the support of the north as a conservative party no moving from the left i think obviously a degree of of of spec the spending commitments are directly related to coronavirus and they are. Measures that need to be taken to ensure that our economy can get through this difficult period but with Interest Rates as low as they are at the moment i think there is an argument to have loosened. The blowing constraints take forward some of these major Infrastructure Projects they wear out of the role things that were in our manifesto when we were elected in december and i think whats called the assist of the chancellor wants as he said to get many of our election pledges done and now that all the coronavirus measures have been outlined by the chancellor such as the spending pledges eccentrics outre. If the u. K. Has to impose the measures that say its only say china have imposed restrictions on travel is a 30000000000 pound Recovery Fund really an Office Similar package for the economy i think the chancellor is very clear that you know this is a fluid situation and the maybe other measures the required me you know this package might not a in itself be sufficient and he will keep that. Review i think it brings a great deal of saturday particularly for businesses because when people are self employed just how do the how the system is going to walk and i think thats obvious helpful in the short attempt but you know we dont want to get in a situation like italy its unlikely that the sort of measures that were taken in china would be able to fully take place here well have to deal with this situation in a way that suits our own country and. The way that the virus develops and the chance i made very clear hes flexible on that but hes me you know hes put down his initial position and i think that will be very very helpful for those people you know who face korean sente at the moment and just finally of course so you want to propose a 14200000 people in poverty 4000000 children poverty is the chancellor of the tax cut that he calls the. Hiking of the National Insurance threshold that saves the average the average walk a 104. 00 pounds with out on the town pounds a month is not really enough to solve. The cost of living christ involves a crisis the chance of made very clear that one of his. Big aspirations is to ensure that we increase our minimum living wage i mean what is the way out of poverty and properly paid work this you know this has been a government. Under a tory to me and. Boris johnson has wanted to see peoples wages rising taking as many people as we could have tax and. Making sure that the those people that were paying tax on the lowest levels were paying the minimum so i mean i think that the government and i think he meant we dont in any way refute the challenges that are but its still our view that walk is the best way out of poverty and creating i successfully call me on having a tax and wages system that backs that up is the way forward social media producer fine im with there with conservative m. P. David mendell to the show will be back on monday 32 years in xilai a factual reagan Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons to massacre thousands in the Iraqi Kurdistan to the whole object it was a massacre written up in wiki leaks cables and this episode are going on the ground comes to you around 96 hours since they reported Suicide Attempt by war crimes whistleblower Chelsea Manning refusing to comply with attacks on wiki leaks is Julian Assange and allegedly being tortured in london today until monday join the underground by following up on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram and