Experimentation it was just learning as the Supreme Court said you know self learning to disagree you know we were talking about an individual in a shared with expos i mean he was also make initiators and detonates as. Well over a welcome this is out International Live with me kevin kevin oh in from a World News Center here in moscow the next 30 minutes of you stick around to take through the top stories tonight and 1st off imprisoned us Chelsea Manning than recovering tonight in hospital after attempting suicide in jail she was due to appear in court on friday mornings but in prison since may refuse to testify against we can expect for a grand jury Saskia Taylor earlier got more on the latest developments from our senior correspondent. But it was allegedly a very very close run thing because the gods when they found her she was hanging by a sheet in her cell unresponsive unconscious and blue already blue they got their entire unfortunately the they took her down administer 1st aid she was still breathing they rushed her to hospital and then it is now 5 there is no danger to her health she shes responsive shes talking to her lawyers and unfortunately for you to appear in Court Tomorrow a day after you know a near death experience ms manning is still scheduled to appear on friday for a previously calendared hearing she remains unwavering in her refusal to participate in a secret grand jury process that she sees as highly susceptible to abuse her actions today evidence the strength of her convictions as well as the profound harm she continues to suffer as a result of her civil confinement simmered just talk us through what happened what led to this moment has sentence initially which is many years over a decade was commuted by barack obama said 7 years so Chelsea Manning was jailed back in 2010 for providing we can leaks for leaking to wiki leaks thousands hundreds of thousands of classified documents from the pentagon. Give us a bit of a box story i mean what has landed manning behind bars again well the last she has been. For Chelsea Manning a very unpleasant one so last year she was ordered to testify before a grand jury a grand jury is a panel of citizens who have been called by the state to investigate whether a crime has been committed and more to do about it whether to prosecute or whether the let it go and the Court OrderedChelsea Manning to testify before this parable about her ties to Julian Assange and wiki leaks about the documents that she had handed over in 2010 something that she says she has already done so she said to the judge no i wont do it this is you know this is the government abusing the law in order to go off the whistle blows to go off to journalists to muzzle them to shut them up which is something that Chelsea Manning doesnt want to do she further says that this is a she has already testified she has said what she had to say earlier on attempting to corus me with a grand jury subpoena is not going to work. I will not cooperate with this or any other grand jury the questions are the same questions that i was asked before the Court Martial in my. 78 years ago it theres nothing new theres not theyre not asking anything new theres no new information that theyre trying to get from me in fact that the questions are very much the the same things that ive gone over the judge didnt like that at all so he ordered her to be indefinitely detained incarcerated behind bars until she talks she was led to for a few months then ordered back to prison until she talked further more 5 as well progressively larger fired every day at this point shes be. Find a 1000. 00 for standing by her principles censured and you talked there about how its been a kind of tough a few years back thats probably an understatement i mean we know she spent such a long time in jail 7 years before then back again in march 29th i mean have human rights reacted to their son and what what has been the reaction of those theres been all sorts of reaction from from a via ride the variety of organizations from Rights Groups from journalists unions and Many Organizations have come out and said what is happening is simply unacceptable the u. N. Says that what the United States is doing keeping her president and she says whats the what they want to hear is essentially torture continued detention of manning is not a lawful sanction but an open ended progressively severe coercive mentira mounting to torture and should be discontinued and abolished without delay the practice of coercive depreciation of liberty for civil contempt involves the intentional infliction of progressively severe mental and emotional suffering for the purposes of coercion and intimidation and the order of judicial authorities obviously she tried to kill herself so the pressure must be getting to her and you know no matter how no matter how strong someone is how how how set by their principles they are incarceration in these huge winds and the pressure it all builds up in workers to virtually we spoke with a lawyer an activist kevin zeese who believes the whistleblower will never give in to pressure from u. S. Officials. Well this whole case is an injustice and a violation of her basic human rights the secret grand jury system in the United States is very unfair it only allows the prosecutor in the room with the jurors no defense lawyer no defendant only hear one side of the story thats what manning is protesting so i know her and shes a very strong person but obviously its a lot of pressure but i think shes more likely go out of that gel dead than testifying she is not going to change your opinion shes made that clear and thats why this friday the judge should end this injustice and release or this is a violation of u. S. Law by laser a national law and needs to come to an end really signals where the trouble is going when it comes to julian a songe and wiki leaks they already have an indictment against julius onj they are not supposed to use the grand jury for the purpose of gathering evidence to prove that indictment but it shows to me that the government is not very confident about the evidence they have or about that indictment they want more. Next i think he who is sharply criticized president trumps decision to suspend most travel from europe for 30 days in response to the worsening Coronavirus Crisis the blocks leaders on thursday defended the measures that theyve taken to tackle the pandemic and stressed the need for International Coordination reporting from berlin next then peter all of. But with the world split over the best way to try and deal with the coronavirus that continues to spread what were seeing is a spotter merging between your leadership and the u. S. President donald trump this is after the president announced a ban on travel for foreign nationals from within the zone in europe to the United States apparently in a move he made well without consulting his allies on this side of the atlantic the president though says it was necessary to keep new creations from entering the sures we will be suspending all travel from europe to the United States for the next 30 days the new rules will go into effect friday at midnight the coronavirus is a Global Crisis not limited to any continent and it requires cooperation rather than unilateral action the European Union disapproves of the fact that the u. S. Decision to impose a travel ban was taken unilaterally and without consultation with donald trump to ban comes after the World Health Organization declared coronavirus to be a Global Pandemic but the more you look at it the more it seems well pretty arbitrary really those nations that it involves of the 26 that make up the shingle and so it doesnt include the United Kingdom it doesnt include ireland theres absolutely nothing to stop somebody say flying from here where i am in berlin over to london and then on to the United States same somebody can fly from paris to dublin then on to the United States then when you look at exactly who it involves it only involves foreign nationals so u. S. Citizens and those with permanent residence can still travel from these countries also those married to u. S. Citizens or permanent residents the parents or guardians of u. S. Citizens of permanent residence under the age of 21. 00 the same goes for siblings of those that fit that criteria plane crews all. Ship crews as well arriving in the us theyre not covered nor on the embers of foreign governments it does seem incredibly convoluted it does seem like its going to be a bit of a nightmare to enforce if its actually even enforceable putting news that it was announced thats hit the european economy pretty hard weve seen the markets tumble with stocks fall to their lowest in the last 4 years but while e. U. Leaders are increasingly unhappy with the actions taken by the us president theres also infighting within the e. U. Over the best way to handle coronavirus and also how to handle those Member States hardest hit by this virus concern over the coronavirus is running at fever pitch in the e. U. Right now its now caught up in the corona virus panic sweeping the globe major concepts and Sports Events could well be canceled in an effort to stop the spread of the corona virus so i think its a very impactful business down productivity but also limiting travel tourism and large public event as new cases reported in europe huge by good cases italy italy on the last sweeping quarantine affected order of the population italy could be justified in moaning a lack of unity from their neighbors earlier this week the italians pleaded with brussels for more help rome should not be left to handle this crisis alone this is a crisis that requires a global 1st and foremost a European Response we are thankful to the European Commission for its positive engagement but its time now for the e. U. To go beyond engagement and consultations with emergency actions that are quick concrete and effective while the European Commission announced a multibillion euro aid package for Member States to help them deal with the crisis there was no specific date for italy announced leaving the hardest hit in europe to rely on the hardest hit in the world for the aid they see. Sorely need. After get that eats we supported china during the most difficult times of fighting the potomac now we also want to stand by the italian people although china still has a large demand for medical supplies we will step up our efforts to export urgently needed materials and equipment to eataly literally told us of protective clothing face masks gloves and all important lifesaving ventilators from china are expected to be in italy by the weekend meanwhile the e. U. Nations cant decide what to do with italy with some fencing themselves off from their beleaguered neighbor if we focus is what we dont want things to get out of proportion as you fly because it needs to be useful and because this is only the beginning of the epidemic and if we take disproportionate measures they will be unsustainable in the long run and theres counterproductive because i sincerely believe that these are bad decisions european carbonation is much more efficient after that confinement because courts are more efficient measures requiring patients to be responsible and stay home quarantine measures are much more efficient. And if youre expecting that powerhouse of european politics until a miracle to bring some calm to the Current Situation youd be disappointed the german chancellor is expecting things to get worse before they get better but a muslim 1st in the us if you will start we have to understand that the population have no need to the virus there is no vaccine so far not treatment experts say about 60 to 70 percent of people in germany are likely to be in fact it if the virus continues spreading. The truth of course more people will die here too perhaps recognising the disjointed response from the European Union the chancellor also called for solidarity and unity between the Member States but all the e. U. Members were left only impressed i dont want to comment on the city. In germany although i believe that such statements rather cause panic in any case we have adopted strong measures for such worst Case Scenarios to be out of the question with the coronavirus in trenching itself in europe so it seems is division in how to tackle it peter all of r. T. Well here talk of which are some new figures in as the krona virus crisis deepens in italy over 15000 have now been diagnosed with coded 19 the death toll now the latest is has risen to over 1000 from the virus r. T. It made an emergency room doctor there to try to learn more about the huge difficulties those medics are facing. Try not to start the night was very exhausting just like all nights over the past 2 weeks around here we still dozens and dozens of people of varying ages that arrive in our emergency room with coronavirus like. Ringback its clear that if the community doesnt follow the restrictions on the numbers continue to rise at a certain point our ability to help people will reach its limit. Ringback approximately 40 patients that are waiting to be admitted will be the same problem which is coronavirus like. Your lip because theyre all day one of the news you dont like well kind of half the break suffered another blow in the latest round of the u. S. Democratic president ial primaries such as a Bernie Sanders has value to stay in the race to where its going to go after the break. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im showbusiness ill see you there. In an unprecedented move britains Supreme Court has found that experimenting with explosives can be legal but suffer a man was cleared of terror related charges name but hes 22 years old his name is sheds copeland he was diagnosed with autism and arrested in 28. 00 after making homemade bombs and conducting experimental explosions in his backyard he was initially charged with 6 counts of possessing information likely to be useful for an act of terrorism copeland was earlier handed a 22 month prison sentence but has now been cleared of the more serious terra charges as a matter of law personal experimentation and self education are lawful objects we discussed throughly with david low a former Police Officer and signal or a search and human rights lawyer show car. Obviously every case is different and we have to look at the facts of each case and this case the explosive substance that this 22 year old at that time perhaps even younger had made in in the unit in the garden shed in his house was just less than 10 grams of that substance my main question is why would anyone want to have explosives in the 1st place you know i look at it from from the the aspect of terrorism this country the u. K. Faces a terrorist threat from 3 fronts theres a missed the extreme far right the neo nazis i dont lessons to be the gift given this defense of experimentation and and education but i think this over use and over Expansion Expansion of terror offenses i think this is a good at least a good 1st step to say that no not everything where you see explosives or where you see something we dont quite understand what that person is doing or what their motives are it doesnt mean that theyre they should be treated as a terrorist suspect the fact is that you know terrorism legislation has to be why when youre investigating you want to prevent with the small plate you want to prevent an attack from happening just because someone has in their possession you know any amount of any explosive substance doesnt mean that they should be guilty of a criminal offense or a tariff fans because of his condition he might have had you know it does cause a person to become antisocial perhaps he was withdrawn perhaps he was an introvert he wasnt able to join the army as he wanted to because of this condition you know but it was just experimentation it was just learning as the Supreme Court said you know self learning i mean if anything perhaps its a benefit but i dont see any harm that came from it i have to disagree you know we were talking about an individual in the shed with the explosive when he was also make initiators and detonators and i want to know why would anybody just want to have explosives on their own property because theres no legitimate reason its like with firearms mobley 5 issues in the past weve introduced legislation to patel use of firearms we know why he was doing what he was doing now of the. Again another case where someones trying to hide it were not quite sure of someones motives then they would question uninvestigated in a different way but the whole point is that it can be an innocent has used it can be an innocent hobby it can be just for self learning as that is not impossible to meet the legal points of the fact that you have these explosives and ok that could be a defense but with the 2 dissenting judges you need to lawful purpose and thats what they said and i agree with them. Well the race for the white of so Us Democratic president ial candidate Bernie Sanders says hell continue campaigning despite a fresh loss in the primaries to rival joe biden they go head to head then in the next t. V. Debate this coming sunday. Donald trump must be defeated and i will do everything in my power to make that happens on sunday night in the 1st one on one debate of this campaign the American People will have the opportunity to see which candidate is best positioned to accomplish that goal so sunders loss is being partly blamed on his own target vote says many of whom believe the voices are no longer being heard caleb maupin is covering it. The last day of democratic primary voting did not go too well for Bernie Sanders and now many voices are calling for him to drop out of the race and clear the road for joe biden however sander says he is not willing to give up just yet now sanders says his campaign actually has the upper hand over his rival when it comes to the youth but it is not just behind your larger goal. Oh this is what. We need the generational. One or 2 in the future you need to. Preserve the future oh country now the polls confirm what Bernie Sanders says young people like him more than they like joe biden and one of the goals of the Bernie Sanders campaign is to get them more involved in the electoral process but its not as easy as it sounds how weve been as successful as i would hope in Brigham Young people and the answer is no but why young people aged 20 to 35 approximately adds up to roughly 60 samant 1000000 people if they all signed up to vote sanders would have quite the edge but they havent done that turnout among Younger Voters remains comparatively low some blame the procedure for registering to vote for the 1st time for students who are going to school in another state registering to vote can get quite complicated some said that the Electoral College and the Party Primary process is very confusing and complicated and the quality of education on civic matters is quite low we decided to talk to some younger people here in new york city and find out why the numbers of young people going out to vote is so low did you vote in the last election now ok do you plan to vote in the upcoming primary vote maybe. Maybe Better Believe it why might you not vote. It just doesnt make sense that the publics opinion doesnt even matter when it comes to a president ial election now why do you think a lot of Young Americans dont vote. Because it doesnt make any sense to close the most the defense of the. People sometimes the lines are really long but. Not as long as adults maybe thats what younger people just either dont think its important as are so many people in voting or they just. I dont know actually i can tell you why i feel like a lot of them probably think that their vote doesnt make a difference so hes as i hear from a lot of my friends who can vote so thats probably the devil is what happened last election as well i dont think they feel that their voices heard as one of their reasons and i dont think that they really understand what a difference it makes in our democracy today are you going to vote for sanders or biden. San theres like to keep that to myself i guess i like both of them id go so to. Buy that i think as i stand right now is leaning more toward sanders now the Sanders Campaign has been reaching out to Younger Voters with catchy slogans and internet memes some say this could hurt him with older voters who dont like the resentful towner radicalism coming from the Sanders Campaign on the other hand its the Younger Generation struggling with historic levels of debt and lack of health care who have the most to gain or lose you know there are so many factors involved with young voters that are unique to that demographic line is that often. Maybe their 1st time voting so registration and voter id laws that number of factors that can influence turnout such as the fact that they might have classes. Voting days its all typically skewed to turnout for young voters to be lower in the United States you have to go through a few hoops to be able to vote yes you know if most people consider those hoops to be in place to depress turnout overall we have election days are working days so that means working class voters students who have classes to go to people who have mobility challenges to get to polling places maybe because of on places really far from their home all of those voters are going to turn out at a lower rate because physically voting is harder for that. Months ago will be across all the twists and turns as they have will follow what Bernie Sanders has to offer as well but for now thats it for this bulletin its exactly 27 minutes past 9 at night here in moscow when i was covering a big thanks for watching check it out see the color of various social media for the headlines as they come through on the various programs in your part of the world on air after this break. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is often spearing dramatic developments only really im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. In the United States president ial candidates debate the future of the u. S. And the world. Max kaiser and Stacy Herbert dig into the burning questions of this election cycle one topic every week will stacks student debt trade wars corporate money universal basic income and more catch up with whats front running this sunday exclusively on r. T. Thank you thank. You thank you thank you thank you. Welcome to the alec salmon show and to the special program on someone who shot to International Fame some 20 years ago airborne written about in 2001 this investigative journalist was captured by the taliban in afghanistan just as the american Led Bombing Campaign started and her life hung in the balance however once released her lifes journey took a surprising direction us she converted to islam and became an avid critic of western Foreign Policy in the war on terror and test undertaken speaking tours throughout the world she has been called something close to celebrity and the islamic world and it to size dinny it was for to be more spec acknowledgeable women in islam a quote by islam online after entering domestic u. K. Politics as chair of the briefly successful Solidarity Party she moved to scotland in 2014 to support the cause of Scottish Independence now shes back in the public eye with the launch of a new book the caledonians have ever once again the topic represents something of a surprise as it was caught up with the boy in the studio. Well few people in the last generation a fathers fascinating a life in journalism and political activism than yvonne d ridley my guest for today yvonne welcome to the examined show thank you very much charlie so i was going to go on to this new boot that youre florence which i find fascinating but lets lets start at the beginning youre a County Durham last and the area of steel mining in heavy industry and thats where you were brought up in the 1960 s. How did that shape your political attitude well you know ive got a working class d. N. A. Coursing through me and the solidarity and unity in hardship. Was the trademark of the working classes and so it really date shaped my life so you went