A low in welcome to cross talk are all things are considered im Peter Lavelle russia in turkey negotiate deescalation regarding what is next for syria also coronavirus is it time to start rethinking the impact of globalization. Talking some real news im joined by my guest underneath me good i own he is a professor at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations we also have a political analyst and editor and interest me internet media project and in london we cross who are going to be curious he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in. Everyone and i always appreciate lets go to london 1st alex we had a stress test over syria particularly and we had the leaders of turkey and russia meeting and we came to a conclusion now it could be spotted a lot of different ways but essentially the turks back down why. Well i think the back down for 2 reasons firstly the the fount that militarily they were outmatched theyre not in a position to take on the syrian army and the Russian Air Force one on the same time and they were suffering casualties and i think that was one reason why they pulled back but the other reason was that they found that they had no diplomatic support or military support or Political Support from their western allies the United States ruled out any military action in support of turkey they refused to send it to provide air cover for turkish troops and turkey found that instead of europe coming to turkey support the europeans instead were very critical of turkeys actions in libya and along the border with greece where turkey has been allowing refugees to move migrants to move in their efforts to enter europe so i think the turkish government and president gun made the correct decision in the circumstances which is that turkey really was not in a position to advance and to throw back the syrian army back to the original sort she sees for our lives that were agreed in september 2018 and the result is that they pulled back and have allowed the syrian army to retain its military gains and theyve taken steps to the way towards reopening the highways but its but this hasnt resolved the issue here because turkey still refuses to start dealing with this jarvis element that is in bedded in we its like 2 steps forward one step back its not resolving anything and a lot of people are saying this is a temporary solution to a problem that only turkey can now solve because we have to remind our viewers the Syrian Government sees these jihadists elem. Its as terrorists and they must be dealt with and theyre in the status quo cannot be maintained Everyone Wants to somehow maintain this status quo thats true and i think that earlier on miscalculate that. His policy and he didnt realize it that his position is not so exceptional which once was a bloke who was confronting whiston bloke at that time turkey was very important country inside the nato now everybody mention turkey its real place which means it will have to recall kill 8 and understand that turkey has a limited puts ability its a limited options and thats why this is not going to be the last humiliation for him because he initially wanted. To bring the americans backing him against russia he failed he want to reply exactly he wanted to bring e. U. Blackmailed them and theyd get to work and then he had to come to moscow to bow to putin and make that settlement which is of course temporary settlement because everyone in turkey they are talk actors strategic aim of turkey of course its a might be strengthened its position in the syrian territory autumn is im not saying theres a new order meant or dont mind a leader a kind of he is a kind of salt but as i said the reality is that turkish possibilities and turkish good goals are not coincide you know what you have is one of the things i really find surprising because with the end of the cold war and we have this global reassessment going on. Need to still looking for a mission to exist turkey she actually should be in a very strong position as a regional player but it seems to have it goes from one misstep to the other its not playing to his advantages it constantly pleas to its disadvantage for me its remarkable well i think you dont have to prove that god made huge mistakes and its enough just to call his statements in the last 2 weeks 1st russia must get out of the way and let me deal with you know on the 2nd one i have no problem with russia so basically contradicting self so many times but this is why does he have to deal with someone why you see in syria and says anybody gadget question this is a 3000000 what are the turks doing in syria is exactly the question but the more stable think is the edge over the western media and the western elite because i slightly disagree with that expense he says that they would get more support ever got me a call to the headline of the spiegel magazine right before the meeting between britain and why the europeans must support thats the kind of language they are going to do logical ok youre both right the article said that but i dont exactly care if i got because they didnt do i need to exactly but the more the more i see where youre sitting was the article from Andrew Higgins in the new times right after the meeting it will be prepared in advance most of it because itd be a just you know minutes after the meeting and so he gets right russia so far has refrained from a take an inside turkey because putin was hesitant about making it and ill try to tack on nato territory nato territory territory kind of weaponry and it leaves is need to take a tree this is how they view it this is a good look york times and why dont you know bloomberg is another thing that stunned me you know you. Yesterday they came out with that headline the agreement in a more school is bad news for the west just imagine you know by doing so if there could be so i can well believe the gates open the floodgates and the more standard well i would come with that you know that he can seize some kind of a settlement settlement between russia and turkey because he writes putin previously or has failed in his previously successful efforts to cultivate new star began in the hope that turkey the easternmost member of nato would prashar sole discord within the United States led military ok ok so this is little you may know but this is because its actually on its head let me go back to. Deimos brain i mean our media expert here a wonderful research but the fact of the matter is if you look at the secretary mike pompei o during this process he was egging the turks on to confront russia because he believed that russia would back down i mean the thing is is that they dont theyve never wanted a resolution in syria that they cant control well everyone lost control pompei or no ones going to listen to and of course you have the hot air from the e. U. No all of this is happening on the ground and they are going to determine the final outcome its taking longer than we all thought but they will go ahead alex well that well this is exactly the point because of course what happens was that yes there was some people in the u. S. Government and in and in the e. U. And in the media who wanted to give full throated support to turkey and not just verbal souple the strongest suit cool well designed however the pentagon clearly and. Unequivocally said no they are not prepared to go head to head with the russians on turkey of india province and its important. To stress its not just the Syrian Government that recognizes these groups needly programmers as terrorists the entire International Community does the United Nations does the United States does and the European Union does and i think this is perhaps the single biggest flaw in the entire media narrative well no it doesnt exactly you didnt you just said flop. Situation its clear that americans are tired of turkey and in america there is a very serious critical position towards their ground and his policy 2nd america is trying to bring back its troops from afghanistan and from other countries of the middle east and nobody is going to increase american involvement in this area especially when you have elections forthcoming and when trance or many times try is holding its thumb on the scale of exactly that this is the waste of money of a stove for its a waste of lives which means in this situation and then a 2nd important thing is. With the especially europe they are tired of turkey and theyre gone and nobody is looking through their fingers and that he is organizing a base car once or for refugees towards the border or European Union looting ferreting out is it is repaired in syria to libya exactly which means all is rhetorical in the sense that when it to support turkey we need to show a unity over the worst. 8 just you know what its exhausted itself who did nothing to look at loads of each its not having any impact on the. Russia and the Russian Military thats why the putin it was so strong in the so strong position was very tough during this negligee oil was interesting right prior to a demon 30 seconds they were saying that the russians had blinked they were going to. Say that was a ball part of the media here 25 seconds but most hilarious news came from the greek government you know the greek government is putting forth that that 64 percent of the people whom they arrested on the border with turkey cross into turkey where from of gania. From syria so today is just finally in their. Other country its not from syria so much for one you know the few jews from egypt that we have to say well you know there are people there and the syrians if they want my syrians want to go home theres evidence of that look at aleppo were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion and some real news stay with r. T. Time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability its very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability remand more equitable and sustainable world. They claim their production is completely hamas. The big. 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Because go back to alex in london lets switch gears and talk about the coronavirus and something they dont think gets enough discussion is the coronavirus and globalization because you see the vulnerability of this this model this neo liberal model for the World Economy its has a lot of weaknesses we have supply chains under under threat we have to were being forced to reconsider borders even though the left always talk when they believe in open borders well have you have an open border and you have a pandemic that is bad news for everyone i mean there are so many elements here and also with the rise of populist movements all across the globe the whole issue of sovereignty and the coronavirus is making people question or smart people question most people dont want to ask serious questions in the media go ahead alex and. This is the most extraordinary response to the Coronavirus Crisis has been the fact that the European Union has very clearly that hes intending to stand by the whole Free Movement because within the European Union this isnt a time when its been made clear that we have to have controls on movement in order to control the spread of this virus so here we have the audio globalization if you like confronting the reality of the Decision Makers are going with the n. T. All n. T. Rather than face with alex so to think that the Decision Makers of this ideology are well protected from this virus theyre always protected from all the downside all the negatives of this ridiculous ideology does less and less for the average person theyre going to be fine dont worry about it alex ok the rest. As well as their. Negligently there is yeah i mean its very true to me because its open borders thing and then and then you look at these supply chains probably get the year wrong so no hope no ones going to sue me i think it was in early 2000 the United States closed down its last factory to produce penicillin its all imported from the outside primarily china and if you look at pharmaceuticals all around the world sourcing comes from china im not blaming china for being the source but globalization allowed that to happen where you have big pharma in the west becoming fabulously fabulously rich because you can outsource from china but when you have a situation like this where a countrys supply chain slow down maybe they can export it because of the virus here i mean no one really seriously thought this out because globalization does put people at risk and were seeing it with this virus i think that took kinks and became clear as a result of this car and i were us when americans openly. Can ferret that they dont have enough equipment to make the tests which was very very surprising because they had the american politician who can tell the people that you know we are the greatest country and they were richest country in the world and they have only 1000 tests or something because they dont have equipment which means this is the result of this globalization as you say it and problem which is for me very interesting and i dont know what the answer how much global media is playing a negative role and easy used against china and the chinese economy interest because demo night is in china of course think chinese economy be your norm or clothes and. Expansion is so global interest all that. Thats really one of the smartest people i know in europe and you can throw in this element of racism as well that is being played well i was in london with alexander kiras actually about a week and a half ago and then the chinatown area was basically vacant ok i would say you know give me your the your ideology guys here ok thats your wheel house here but i mean what im what im trying to get at here is that this isnt because globalization has created a lot of these threats to become more real. We have an opportunity to push back and reassess this ideology at the same time because i think that is in our our interest also and also themselves and we curious and later is that the American Medical System is on trial right now lets talk about the ideology well history shows us that in many cases proponents advocates of to tell you terry and i go just became their victims you know. Especially in one study and destroyed the old court when this was a good example so the same story here i think the initial reaction in the United States in the year was its all chinas fault there was a common rob there were fake mules you know what chain is going that is all for their meat and they dont have the eat bats and they bats you know and then suddenly well 1st people in the west dont trust the media off the rush of the new trade could use it to ration off the wards of coverups people taunt droste still rattles media you know and then western media find that it started seriously right in a ball their respects in San Francisco in the United States suddenly again and youre spiegel magazine they had a huge article about you in a quarantine you know in some Fantasy School if you have a home office youre protected but what about all of these hundreds thousands of. People you know all who are delivering food the whole are still homeless situation in San Francisco and los exactly what about people who have to use Public Transportation you know who can or be driven. To their office by texas so suddenly this inequality becomes even more visible you know and and all of the talk of. Huge wide war which is open for you is suddenly becoming so hollow you know and the european suddenly we have a situation when the borders with italy are open and the disease can spread from there while just recently they refused to take people from syria who belonged to the government side please remember why did are certain his people fight so desperately against. The these were missed because they were left no choice you reported on refugees from syria if they were on the side of the government so i think that this globalist ideology its it trapped itself you know if. We go back to in london but its also a political weapon isnt it ok the chinese arent prepared they lied theyd they werent transparent the Trump Administration is slow in reacting i mean its a cudgel i mean they i mean its really quite pathetic people are being infected and some people are dying but no its a political cultural thats what the good part of the Mainstream Media wants the us theyre not interested in this virus theyre interested in scoring political points in an election year. I think thats and i think that was very true at the beginning especially when it was made the current kernel virus in china became as weve just heard the the excuse for 9 and a Chinese Campaign and a horrible one and of course its now being imported back to the United States which is an ad campaign against donald trump but have. Course neither is the address the underlying problem of how to deal with the outbreak like this and it seems to me what the coronavirus affair show is one you need a strong government and strong will thought routines in a moment of crisis to deal with the matter of a crisis of this nature as china shows china doesnt have such a strong government and that goes back to the question of sovereignty that you are identified on and the 2nd is the basic your entire economy on financial financialization on the Financial Services and ignoring manufacturing and resources and relying on just in time supply chains from around the world exposes you to enormous risks and these are points that have been made many times yes you havent seen. The truck in ministration is being blamed for this but it was a trumpet that moved all of these factories in charges in china ok i mean its you know its easy to blame trump and its easy to blame these political elites and their culpable but not trump he wasnt around at the time but you know china quite gladly started building this equipment because its high value high margin equipment that you can export to the world i mean theyre all winter here and i think your point is taken here is that this is a strategy to slow that down and to start. Truncating their growth which of course is kind of stupid because weve gotten down the path of globalisation so much that of china sneezes and i hate using this. The rest of the worlds gets a call to ok so its too late to do that ok yeah exactly once over and over this true concerning the United States where in the United States there was a. Direct order world. Quite cold. It goes to chinese because they are producing everything practically but you know what if it was. Another information which you have put the words are widely circulated in American Media google was on microsoft and others. Proposed their employees to home to work from the home yet not at 1st i want. To come back to. The idea here you can have gated communities but gated gated communities can survive without supplies or food or you know some are good kind of services but who is going to peru i dont thats why this is a very important point that state must be strong and state my story arc to it its kind of hit me but it could use me in the american context is that the the the american medical establishment theyre theyre not they have the Interested National security theyre interested in shopping that dont get one minute finish it up going well i think that we can summarize it by recording the situation from a jew well normal other war of the wall as you remember the martians have basically invaded all of the world and in the end they die from a virus that there is basically causing people sneeze you know so the globalization was so huge there was so much destruction so many wars done and nowhere seen it been done by a small iris probably of the one that discouraged the martians you need you know its going alex i mean here is the last 20 seconds go to you. I think that weve learned a lot from the corona hunters outbreak and i think this. This requirement is a radical change in our economic models and thats not about china its a proud us in the west it places like greece and that we have to start looking at our own ways of doing things we need to change that and that means Building Back already industries and not blaming the chinese that we dont have them anymore when we just saw everybody everybody write that down on a little post dated put it on your refrigerator because its worth hearing that again from alexander mackerras all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guest here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d. C. You next time remember across the us. Im max keiser with more of my guide to financial survival this is. A device used by professional scallywags to earn money. Thats right this has flaws are simply not accountable and were just getting more and more to that. 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