A news wrap up for this hour thanks for tuning in. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you have. A low in welcome to cross talk were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle russia and turkey negotiate deescalation regarding what is next for syria also the coronavirus is it time to start rethinking the impact of globalization. Ross talking some real news im joined by my guest underneath the new guy own he is a professor at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations we also have a political analyst and editor and innocently internet media project and in london we crossed who i was going to be here as he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com or a german crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate lets go to london 1st alex we had a stress test over syria particularly an adlib we had the leaders of turkey and russia meeting and we came to a conclusion now it could be spun a lot of different ways but essentially the turks back down why. Well i think the back down for 2 reasons firstly the the fount that militarily they were outmatched theyre not in a position to take on the syrian army and the Russian Air Force one on the same time and they were suffering casualties and i think that was one reason why they pulled back but the other reason was that they found that they had no diplomatic support or military support or Political Support from their western allies the United States ruled out any military action in support of turkey they refused to send it to provide air cover for turkish troops and turkey found that instead of europe coming to turkey support the europeans instead were very critical of turkeys actions in libya and along the border with greece where turkey has been allowing refute g. s to move migrants to move in their efforts to enter europe so i think the turkish government and president gun made the correct decision in the circumstances which is that turkey really was not in a position to advance and to throw back the syrian army back to the original source she sees for our lives that were agreed in september 2018 and the result is that they pulled back and have allowed the syrian army to retain its military gains and theyve taken steps to the way towards a reopening the highways but its but this hasnt resolved the issue here because turkey still refuses to start dealing with this jarvis element that is in bedded in we its like 2 steps forward one step back its not resolving anything and a lot of people are saying this is a temporary solution to a problem that only turkey can now solve because we have to remind our viewers the Syrian Government sees these jihadists elem. Its as terrorists and they must be dealt with and theyre in the status quo cannot be maintained Everyone Wants to somehow maintain this status quo thats true and i think that earlier on miscalculate that. His policy and he didnt realize that his position is not so exceptional which once was a bloke who was confronting whiston bloke at that time turkey was very important country inside the nato now everybody mention turkey its real place which means it will have to recall kill it and understand that turkey has a limited puts ability its a limited options and thats why this is not going to be the last humiliation for him because he initially wanted. To bring the americans backing him against russia he failed he wants very promptly you know exactly he wanted to bring e. U. Blackmailed them and it didnt work and then he had to come to moscow to bow to putin and make that settlement which is of course temporary settlement because everyone in turkey they are talk actors strategic aim of turkey of course its a might be strengthen its position in syrian territory autumn is im not saying is. Meant or dont mind a leader a kind of he is a kind of salt but as i said the reality is that turkish possibilities and turkish good goals are not coincide with. One of the things i really find surprising because with the end of the cold war and we have this global reassessment going on. Nato is still looking for a mission to exist turkey she actually should be in a very strong position as a regional player but it seems to have it goes from one misstep to the other its not playing to his advantages it constantly pleas to its disadvantage for me its remarkable well i think you dont have to prove that god made huge mistakes and its enough just to quote his statements in the last 2 weeks 1st russia must get out of the way and let me deal with you know on the 2nd one i have no problem with russia so basically contradicting self so many times but this is why does he have to deal with his son why you see in syria and says anybody gadget question this is Mainstream Media what are the turks doing in syria is exactly the question but the more stable think is the editorial or the western media and the western elite because i slightly disagree with that expense he says that they would not support program let me go to the headline of the spiegel magazine right before the meeting between. Why the europeans must support thats the kind of language they are going to do logical ok youre both right the article said that but i dont exactly care if i got because they didnt do i need to exactly but the more the more i see where youre saying was that article from Andrew Higgins in the new times right after the meeting it will be prepared in advance most of it because it could be a just you know minutes after the meeting and so he gets right russia so far has refrained from a take an inside turkey because putin was hesitant about making and ill try to tack on nato territory nato territory territory kind of weaponry and it leaves is need to take a tree this is how they view it this is made look times and why dont you know bloomberg is another thing that stunned me you know yesterday they came out with that headline the agreement in more school is bad news for the west. Just imagine you know what i do so if theyre fighting there will be both the gates open the floodgates and the more standard outcome of that you know that he can seize some kind of a settlement settlement between russia and turkey because he writes putin previously or what it has failed in his previously successful efforts to cultivate new star began in the hope that turkey the easternmost member of nato would help prashar saw discord within the United States led military ok ok so this is little you may know but this is because its actually on its head let me go back to. Deimos i mean our media expert here a wonderful research but the fact of the matter is if you look at the secretary mike pompei o during this process he was egging the turks on to confront russia because he believed that russia would back down i mean the thing is is that they dont theyve never wanted a resolution in syria that they cant control well everyone lost control pompei or no ones going to listen to and of course you have the hot air from the e. U. No all of this is happening on the ground and they are going to determine the final outcome its taking longer than we all thought but they will go ahead alex well that well this is exactly the point because of course what happens was that yes there were some people in the u. S. Government and in and in the e. U. And in the media who wanted to give full throated support to turkey and not just verbal simple stronger support. Designed however the pentagon clearly and. Unequivocally said no they are not prepared to go head to head with the russians on turkeys behalf in india province and its important to stress its not just the Syrian Government that recognizes these groups in italy. That is as terrorists the entire International Community does the United Nations does the United States does and the European Union does and i think this is perhaps the single biggest flaw in the entire media narrative well no it doesnt exactly yeah you did you just said flaw i will i would change the word fraud ok this is the biggest fraud in the media here go ahead jump in go ahead. I think that the Current Situation its clear that americans are tired of turkey and in america there is a very serious critical position towards their ground and its policy 2nd america is trying to bring back its troops from afghanistan and from other countries of the middle east and nobody is going to increase american involvement in this area especially when you have elections forthcoming and when transfer many times so it is opening its thumb on the scale of exactly that this is the waste of money of a stove for its a waste of lives which means in this situation and then a 2nd important thing is. With the especially europe they are tired of turkey and theyre gone and nobody is looking through their fingers and that he is organizing this car once or for refugees towards the border or European Union moving ferreting out is it is repaired in syria to be exactly which means all is rhetorical in the sense that when it to support turkey we need to show a unity over the last. 8 just you know. Its exhausted itself you did not a little bit lot of leads each its not having any impact on the russia and the russian leaders thats why putin whats so strong in the so strong position and he was very tough during this negligee it was interesting right prior to a demon the 30 seconds they were saying that the russians and blinked they were going to. Tell me i was a ball part of the media here dont you guys think its good most hilarious news came from the greek government you know the greek government newspaper reported that 64 percent. All of the people whom they arrested on the border with turkey cross into turkey well from afghanistan from syria so hes just finally in there. All the country from syria so much. That we have to say well you know theres people in the syrian history one of my syrians want to go home theres evidence of that look at aleppo were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion and some real news today which are going. To show my position from which to us and. I say. For from the floor of the trip to. The chairman i. Never try to predict for the. Purpose of. This because the global was going to have to use it in your voice you. Must have played upon us to move in this part of the family and youre fighting with the sofa cushion on. The left for china thats 4 to 6 months because. World. Dares. To ask. Welcome back across the uk where all things are considered on people about to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok so go back to alex in london lets switch gears and talk about the coronavirus and something that i dont think gets enough discussion is the coronavirus and globalization because you see the vulnerability of this this model this neoliberal model for the World Economy its has a lot of weaknesses we have supply chains under under threat we have to were being forced to reconsider borders even though the left always talk they believe in open borders well have you have an open border and you have a pandemic thats bad news for everyone i mean there are so many elements here and also with the rise of populist movements all across the globe the whole issue of sovereignty and the coronavirus is making people question or smart people question most people dont want to ask serious questions in the media go ahead alex and. This is the most extraordinary response to the Coronavirus Crisis has been the fact that the European Union has very clearly that hes intending to stand by the whole Free Movement call within the European Union this isnt. Time when its been made clear that we have to have controls on movement in order to control the spread of this virus so here we have the audiology globalization if you like confronting the reality of the Decision Makers are going with the n. T. All in g. Rather than face well enough to think that the Decision Makers of this ideology are well protected from this virus theyre always protected from all the downside all the negatives of this ridiculous ideology does less and less for the average person theyre going to be fine dont worry about it alex ok the rest of us was here so why didnt you go to c. N. N. I mean its very true here i mean because the open borders thing and then and then you look at these supply chains probably get the year wrong so no hope no ones going to sue me i think it was in early 2000 the United States closed down its last factory to produce penicillin its all imported from the outside primarily china and if you look at pharmaceuticals all around the world sourcing comes from china im not blaming china for being the source but globalization allowed that to happen where you have big pharma in the west becoming fabulously fabulously rich because you can outsource from china but when you have a situation like this where a countrys supply chain slow down maybe they can export it because of the virus here i mean no one really seriously thought this out because globalization does put people at risk and were seeing it with this virus i think that took kinks and became clear as a result of this car and i were us when americans openly. Confessed to do they dont turf enough equipment to make the tests which was very very surprising because they had any american politician who can tell the people that you know we are the greatest country and there were a lot of rich. Country in the world and they have only 1000 tests or something because they dont equipments which means this is the result of this globalization as you have said and problem which is for me very interesting and i dont know what the answer how much global media is playing that negative role and easy used against china and chinese economic interest because desmond i was in china of course think chinese economy be you know more clothes and limiting their expansion is also in global interest although. Thats really one of the smartest people i know in your right because you can throw in this element of racism as well that is being played so well i was in london with alexander machir its actually about a week and a half ago and then they the chinatown area was basically vacant ok there was a you know give me your that your ideology guys here ok. Well house here but i mean what im trying to get at here is that this isnt because globalization has created allowed these threats to become more real. We have an opportunity to push back and reassess this ideology at the same time because i think that is in our our interest also and also themselves and we curious and later is that the American Medical System is on trial right now lets talk about the ideology well he story shows us that in many cases proponents advocates of to go just became their victims you know communist ideology not ideology especially when studying destroyed the old there was a good example so the same story here i think the initial reaction in the United States in the year was its all chinas fault there was a colorado there were fake mules you know a chain is going that is all for. All theyre mean and they only eat bats and they bats you know and then suddenly well 1st people in the west dont trust their media off the rush of the new trade to do separation after wards of coverups people taunt droste recitals media you know and then that western media spine that it started seriously writing about their risks in San Fransisco in the United States suddenly again and your spiegel magazine they had a huge article about you inequality you know in some Fantasy School if you have a home office youre protected but what about all of these hundreds thousands of people you know all who are delivering food you know the whole are still homeless situation in San Francisco and los exactly what about people who have to use Public Transportation you know who can all be driven. To the office by texas so suddenly this inequality becomes even more visible you know and and all of the talk about. You know huge wide wall which is open for you is suddenly becoming so hollow you know and the european suddenly we have a situation when the borders with italy are open and the disease can spread from there while just recently they refused to take people from syria who belonged to the government side please remember why did the os that his people fight so desperately against. The these were missed because they were left no choice europe was taken from syria if they were on the side of the government so i think that this globalist ideology its it trapped itself you know really i want to go back to in london but its also a political weapon isnt it ok the chinese arent prepared to glide need they werent transparent need the Trump Administration is slow in reacting i mean its a cudgel i mean they i mean its really quite. Affected people are being impacted in some people are dying but no its a political courage or thats what the good part of the Mainstream Media wants the us theyre not interested in this virus theyre interested in scoring political points in an election year. I think that was very true at the beginning especially when it was made the current kernel Virus Outbreak in china became as weve just heard. The excuse for 9 anti Chinese Campaign and a horrible one and of course its now being imported back to the United States was an ad campaign against donald trump but of course neither is the address the underlying problem of how to deal with the outbreak like this and it seems to me what the coronavirus affair has shown is one you need a strong government and strong will thought routines in a moment of crisis to deal with the matter of a crisis of this nature as china shows china does have such a strong government and that goes back to the question of sovereignty that you were identical on and the 2nd is the basic your entire economy on financial financialization on the Financial Services and ignoring manufacturing and resources and relying on just in time supply chains from around the world exposes you to enormous risks and these are points that have been made many times yes you havent seen. The truck been ministration as pin blame for this but it was a trumpet that moved all of these factories in charges in china ok i mean if you know its easy to blame trump and its easy to blame these political elites and there are culpable but not trump he wasnt around at the time but you know china quite gladly started building this equipment because its high value high margin equipment that you can. Export to the world i mean there are a winner here and i think your point is actually taken here is that this is a strategy to slow that down and to start. Truncating their growth which of course is kind of stupid because weve gotten down the path of globalization so much that it china sneezes and i hate using this. The rest of the worlds gets a cold ok so its too late to do that ok yeah exactly once. This thing was true concerning the United States when the United States never has. And interest over the world. Quite cold. It goes to chinese because they are producing everything practically you know what is it to. Another information which you have for the awards widely circulated in American Media that google was on microsoft and others. Proposed their employees to go to home to work from home you know not at 1st i want. To come back to. The idea here you can have gated communities but gated gated communities can survive without supply or food or you know some other kind of services but who is going to provide them thats why this is a very important point that state must be strong and state my story arc to this kind of threat but if i could use the in the american context is that the the the american medical establishment theyre theyre not they have the Interested National security theyre interested in stopping that dont get one minute finish it up going well i think that we can summarize it by recording the situation from age of wealth. Of the war all the walls you remember the martians have basically invaded all of the world and then they and they die from a virus that is basically causing people sneeze you know so the globalization was so huge there was so much destruction so many wars done and nowhere seen it been done by a small wire probably of the one that described the martians the nature of the thing. The last 20 seconds go to you. I think that weve learned a lot from the carone heart. Break and i think this require leaders around who change in our economic models and thats not about china its about us in the west it places like greece and that we have to start looking at our own ways of doing things and we need to change them and that means Building Back our own industries and not blaming the chinese that we dont have them anymore when we just saw everybody everybody write that down on a little post dated put it on your refrigerator because its worth hearing that again from alexander mackerras all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guest here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d. C. Next time remember across. Time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability its very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability. More equitable and sustainable world. They claim their production is completely harmless. Because. It does not appear Companies Want us to feel good about. 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