Transcripts For RT Going Underground 20240713

The wings to give you the morning update in just about an hours time. The imaginary tense youre going underground is after an Afghan Taliban collapses donald trump attempts to end the u. S. A. s longest military war using airstrikes coming up in the show one of the negotiators in concert of the Vice President of afghanistans National Assembly goofy on ridding her country of Foreign Forces after a conflict that has killed countless afghans and wounded or killed thousands of nato soldiers since 911. 00 and deal bound to end in failure we talked to one of pakistani pm imran khans. Pakistans minister for Economic Affairs how my design are about prospects for peace stability and the end of american imperialism all this of all going on with todays going underground but 1st 8 years ago today the taliban killed 6 british soldiers bringing the total u. K. War dead in afghanistan since 911. 00 to about 400. 00 then tory Prime Minister. David cameron who would only months before launched another war against libya all but destroying africas richest capita country said this about the worst single loss of life since 2006 well this is a desperately sad day for our country and desperately sad of course for the families concerned it is a reminder of the huge price that were paying for the work were doing in afghanistan but what work in afghanistan no 1. 00 has been counting the hundreds of thousands of afghans who have been killed maimed or displaced since britain in the usa ceased links to alqaeda linked groups in the wake of 911 and began bombing one of the poorest countries on earth there is complete agreement on the military objectives of removing the taliban regime which on pleased to say is. Largely now achieved just in the 1st decade and a half of the war 14000 u. K. Soldiers predominantly working class needed medical care and thousands of nature soldiers have been killed there since the usa began the longest military war in its history u. S. Combat casualties and 21000 read their eyes for 5 years if you have been counting the human and financial cost of increased heroin on the streets of major nations but dont trump came to power valid to bring soldiers home and this week a peace deal was signed in qatar before washington again areally bombarded the country neighboring pakistan had warned washington against those who might spoil any Peace Process joining me now from islamabad is a member of pakistani Prime Minister among khans cabinet ahmed as our thanks so much for joining us well major nations that may be focusing on the Economic Impact of coronavirus you going to afghanistan on the border in the occupation of kashmir but lets go straight to the economy your brief in the pakistani gabbin and i understand you made an agreement with the i. M. F. Another issue which many nations of the global south are having to cope with yes thats correct in last july and about 8 months ago august on and im offended into an agreement we have been. Into numerous agreements with the with the i. M. F. Before but since the agreement that has been a dramatic improvement in pakistans economy and we are moving swiftly towards economic stabilization. 6000000000. 00 from washington in return for privatizing and selling off pakistan well thats thats the political rhetoric thats usually associated around any i. M. F. Program in any most of the countries but thats thats not what it is. Its 6000000000. 00 plus theres a multilateral funding involved so in reality its about 35. 00 to 38000000000. 00 and its about reducing deficits increasing pakistan stack space improving the exporters competitiveness improving the way we manage or have managed Exchange Rate in the past its about opening up and liberalizing they call me so its a host of other things well weve had that going to neo liberal talk year in britain for years were talking about nationalizing our railways in Energy Resources are you playing off beijing against washington your 6700000000 to the Chinese Communist party why not really go she ate with them rather than the washington i am half the loans that we have from from china often misunderstood the odd 1st of all they compose just a very small fraction maybe less than 10 percent of pakistans overall debt but for you and they are over the longer term of 0 to a 25 year period that they stretch over and then then there are some commercial loans that originate from not just china but from your job or maybe other. Middle eastern other jurisdictions as well and they have a shorter shorter and b. Back and they are with the commercial entities so its not about being off chinese loans its about making the overall debt port for your sustainable and within that debt portfolio the chinese loans contribute to less than 10 percent or far ok but chinese help doesnt demand you. Privatise pakistans companies you must be aware that the some economists are saying the poverty rate in your country is gaining ground force obvious by she says the National Poverty ratio in june 18 was 31. 3 percent its going to be 40 percent in june 20th you dont compile poverty statistics this goes the same way surely as any global south nation when it starts to talk to the i. M. F. Let me 1st address the privatization part more comprehensive. Pakistans has more than 2250. 00 state owned enterprises and their accumulated losses have now reached up to a level where its more than the annual Defense Budget of pakistan which is it and its now cruised to more than 1500000000000 rupees even more than that they have become a drag on Pakistans National economy and its not just the i. M. F. That we see there any commentator economic commentator having a look at the finances will see that a 2nd question that is true that since 2016 during the previous governments. Poverty statistics have not been published for one reason or another in pakistan and we are looking at reviving that statistics and finalizing a methodology for publishing that statistics but we have a world bank estimate for the last year world bank has been regularly publishing poverty up there so pakistan and poverty as but the estimate poverty did in fact a decline in the 1st year of this government be grew at about 3 percent last year in terms of g. D. P. And this year its project the g. D. P. Is projected to grow at 2. 4 percent and i think that is the bottom beyond doubt beyond the next this coming june the next Financial Year we will be looking at. Going into a High Economic growth phase point taken about the World Bank Although some people say the world bank is the good go up to the i. M. F. Bad gulp of course as regards the growth rate but youre not i mean i know youre going to deny that youre playing washington off with beijing but what happened to go under our port the last stop of the built in road corridor or 62000000000. 00 it was the chinese project apparently it was a 1st rate millions of jobs would be able to buck is that do in our present in your g. D. P. Growth is you are just becoming more friendly with washington over china i think we have excellent relations with both washington and china and i dont think it needs to be a dichotomy in order to be an eye that all relationship. Has suffered as a lot because of play. In the hands of media superpowers in the past weve lost 70000 lives to post september 11th and i think august on thursdays of acting as a proxy for ups with all superpowers whether its china or its russia whether its the United States and china is an emerging reality is i dont think it has to be looked in the context of either or i think that in the 21st century the nation states can be mature enough to handle multiple relationships at one time but is the guard up or project over not at all we are committed to the goal of the project and we will i think the goal of the project is the future of pakistan in fact we are already in negotiations with the with the World Bank Financing a green line. And a traitor drilling down realigned that will go from pakistan into afghanistan and into the Central Asian states to open up that corder door you mention 70000 dead in the new age about war and to have a terror to 911 when you do your budget does some of the budgets go to the secret services which back the taliban on the Afghan Border and what is your view of the socalled peace deal signed between afghanistan and different priorities and its impact on budget and i dont think any secret Service Budget in pakistan goes to any thought on grouping on the contrary vivre many of fodder secret Service People and the Pakistan Military people have laid down their lives in fighting in the in the tribal regions of pakistan and just 3 to 4 years ago weve seen a clearing up of that and weve seen peace return to pakistan now and thats a piece that we achieved a tick tick at a cost of great lives we are looking at fencing our borders with the funniest on we are looking at fencing our borders with iran and maintaining peace in those regions and we are willing to look at budgets to words that but as you see while the peace deal is being signed theres a Television Series being broadcast in nature. Country school homeland repeating the allegation that the Pakistani Secret Service is intimately involved with the taliban in afghanistan is their nature propaganda war against pakistan claiming that i. S. I. Is very much part of the taliban in afghanistan well i think that we had during the cold water pakistan and the United States both had links with the taliban and we are in the region they are our next door neighbor for as long as geography has existed so there is some leverage that pakistan has in a fun society and i think that pakistan if pakistan my government my Political Party and my Prime Minister in iran fran said it a decade ago that the only solution to the full on. War or the current turmoil is to have a settlement with the taliban and pakistan can play a facilitating order in pakistan has played a facilitating role in that in that regard and i think its for not just the greater good offer the general security but for global peace as well tragically sources in your government had been warning that people shouldnt be overoptimistic about the carter ideal and that they would be people out to spoil the deal it came to pass because within hours there was violence what is the view now from islamabad about the ongoing repercussions of the the deal that ended in disaster i think the peace deal has been signed in a good spirit from both sides and i think both sides want peace and being desperate for peace is not really a bad thing its not a sign of weakness i think its a sign of forward looking and Visionary Leadership so there will be good insist but i think given the devotion and the and the the great spirit that exists on both sides for achieving peace in this state it to be when i think that we have we are off to a great start. Well ive got to say that despite. You showing some hope there on afghanistan obviously your Prime Minister imran khan has been particularly exercised by the unilateral takeover of kashmir what do you think he means when he compares the render moodys treatment of muslims to nazi programs of jews and do you expect any progress in recapturing what you consider to be part of pakistans land mass well i think that what theyve done is that theyve reversed situation of political autonomy 1st in kashmir and they of embroidery the whole region in turmoil theres a curfew since many months theres a suspension of Political Rights and liberties so thats whats happening in kashmir on the top of that what hes done is that he is. He is systematically dismantling the liberty and the Political Rights of muslims and minorities in india and the lip service that india is all a speed to its secular nature to stand if it stands exposed today mr modi believes in hindu supremacy and its very similar to to nazi even supremacy t. T. Where they feel that one resists a pedia to another and has greater rights over the other order that the rights of the minorities can be somehow superceded order or trampled upon for Political Capital and communal strife can be can be encouraged for Political Capital so i think that is that is why we compare mr more due to. Nazi germany and specially to mr hitler because his his policies are also eerily similar to what mr modi is doing right now in india the indian i committed to london spoke to this program or denied all those allegations you would consulted in any way more was china about the unilateral decision of india to take kashmir similarly as regards afghanistan. In a moment were about to speak to the afghanistan Vice President of the National Assembly. Park is then consulted in the afghanistan talks which was signed in doha i think not only were we consulted the Peace Process could not have been signed without pakistans active role in encouraging both parties to come to the table pakistan is one off the most active state corridors and one of the most interested parties because any turmoil in afghanistan spins over into into pakistan state or 3 we have facilitated that agreement and my foreign minister has even gone on to say on record that this agreement could not have been possible without pakistans assistance thank you thank you very much after the break with yet more loss of life after drums peace accord signing in. The Vice President of afghanistans National Assembly who negotiated with the taliban what went wrong all the similar going about to him going on the ground. In the United States president ial candidates debate the future of the u. S. And the world. Max kaiser and stacy her but dig into the burning questions of this election cycle one topic every week. Tax student debt trade was corporate money universal basic. And more catch up with whats front running this sunday exclusively on r. T. Welcome back in part one we heard from one of pakistani Prime Minister imran khans cabinet about the collapse of Donald Trumps afghanistan peace deal joining me now is the Vice President of afghanistans National Assembly m. P. For kabul and negotiated with the taliban fighters your goofy who joins me from the Afghan Capital fuzzier thanks so much for joining us 1st of all before we even talk about the peace deal what have you heard about the attacks by u. S. Warplanes on Helmand Province this week i think just a few hours after the agreement between taliban and the United States the taliban started a very kind of aggressive war against the Security Forces and end this pond i think the United States air force is claimed that they have supported the Afghan Forces in Helmand Province by using the aircrafts the arrow patients i want to get on to the peace deal that you helped negotiate in a 2nd but your reaction to the International Criminal court announcing that it will now formally investigate u. S. War crimes defacto perhaps british war crimes because of course the United States soldiers in afghanistan were leading u. K. Troops and i assume if that is an end of us to geisha and off the war crimes that happened in afghanistan there should be an investigation of the crimes that happened over the past 40 years that the main victim of those crimes were basically the set. Defenseless people of afghanistan who have paid for this so i need justice which people of afghanistan were really wellcome and i guess there cannot be any peace sustainable peace. Without justice should come and should be. Investigated. For the whole process of what enough under some because i think neither side of the war in afghanistan actually to spectate and even to say the culture of war they have brutally destroyed their houses they have killed innocent people and this happened by both sides youve traveled a long journey personally to become a negotiator with the enemy the taliban what is it like negotiating a deal like the doha deal with People Like Us on boys ill make other than the Afghan Taliban as well lobdell it is never easy to be part of a process that you have been a victim of war by the same people who have. Taken all the opportunities from you as an afghan woman who have killed people in front of your eyes who have. Insulted people of afghanistan especially women of afghanistan it is never easy but at the end of the day i guess somebody has to take that as sponsibility and i think its time for the people of afghanistan in particularly for the woman of have on a son 1st of all to be part of the major Decision Making they have to demonstrate leadership in this critical time of our history to make sure that women are indeed negotiation table that women rights are respected and that decision is never easy because you dont talk with a bunch of friends you basically talk with people who definitely oppose you or views personally when it comes to me they have actually atomic to me twice in fact so it has been a difficult decision to be part of this in the past this is the chance we have to really use it if we dont use this woman will certainly not be present for the future of the station making we now know that afghan the. And forces attacked Afghan Security Service Forces just hours after the deal was signed the Afghan Taliban have tried to kill you how were you sure that you could be safe when you met up with taliban negotiators there is a Huge Trust Deficit between the people and the Islamic Republic of afghanistan umbrella and the taliban there is a trust deficit and some of us are being particularly dislike because of her gender because of her views and because of the fact that we have been a vocal rights for democracy and equality we have been deprived of money apart unities due to our not that the war only took lifes lifes of many members of my family and lifes of people who had been killed in front of my eyes and continue to be code but also a lot of opportunities because this is such a beautiful country with great opportunities if there was no war i am sure afghanistan would have been in a different situation and every day we are losing lives we are in the full front of this war on terror so we have to really end this and we have to really end it with justice and dignity you say its a beautiful country its also a beautiful country for a big oil pipeline what was it like talking to Zalmay Khalilzad you know that around the world is known for his support of the iraq war for his installation of how many karzai as leader of your country and for having been on the unocal board that negotiated an alliance with the taliban ahead of preparations for an oil pipeline going through the country i understand afghanistan geographical location is a very strategic and its a very important country when it comes to connectivity were connecting south asia and central asia. And that makes afghanistan for a preacher in it hes but yet for challenges because we can be easily used by. The as a battle field and proxy thats why i said its time for people of afghanistan and for the leadership in the country to take their lead to decide about their future when it comes to ambassador. He is now the key for the peace negotiation we are looking forward for peace which will result not in losing her rights we are looking for a peace which every individual including taliban but also the woman and the people of afghanistan will see feel safe even though personally you know that the taliban came to power partly because of the actions of the american envoy whether we i think its time for for us now to leave the past thats part of the history so it is time for us to forget at the end of the day after 18 years we dont have peace and we dont have justice so i think its time that we work for peace but in the meantime we should not undermine the importance of justice because if we really ignore the justice part of this Peace Process probably one day the might be great again because we might have peace but that peace does not include. Does not include freedoms it does not include the liberty and sovereignty of up on the stand and the politicians in afghanistan so therefore i think we really have to be careful about what we do as the next step well im sure we can expect a poor response to the decision by the International Criminal court investigating crimes for in the name of justice because they obviously the Top Administration do not respect that court thats just get on into the negotiations is it true that taliban negotiators demanded that manager. The wearing of the head job was required in return for womens employment and Education Rights was that part of the deal woman enough to understand. Are living in a stone islamic circumstances they want equal rights they want to go to school they want to work they want to have access to Economic Resources they want to be part of the political Decision Making and their gender should not be to the reason for them not to participate however what taliban actually imposed to the woman up on the stand during that time which i was also living in kabul where burka and what has not has nothing to do with her job or with religion and unfortunately they made the woman a 500 stun to wear burka to deprive woman from their freedom of choice and i think any government in afghanistan that tried to deprive women of afghanistan and all the citizens from their freedom of choice they will not survive because the country has really. Transformed im not claiming that the whole country has transformed but i think major part of the country will not. Do not want to go to back to those people of taliban so his job we dont have to define what do we mean by his job actually we have to define many things that taliban claim islamic rights of woman because what is not an islamic rights of women. We invite members of the Afghan Taliban community on this program but did you also get any pledges on drugs apparently as the taliban today have 20 percent of your country that theyre turning over hundreds of millions of dollars in drugs which end up on the streets of london paris and new york killing and injuring countless people did the topic of drugs come up you know in a broken system and us. Try to use. Use the situation for get interest in the previous talks we really did not go to the details of all the issues that. That contributes to the conflict in afghanistan and Drug Trafficking and cultivation being one of them especially in the areas which is under the control of taliban you see there is an increment and they cultivation and trafficking of drugs so that to conflict and Drug Trafficking and to fit each others and i think these are the issues that are getting the enter of on talks which were expected to start on the 10th of march and i am not sure if they cant actually that negotiation to you from this limited public of understand side will be set up by dead to start these talks at these issues you raise some of them well actually have to be discussed during the into of on talks with taliban ok well 43. 00 separate attacks just on tuesday after the deal was signed in doha qatar the New York Times though is talking about cia militias theres something called the cost Protection Force out of camp chapman are you aware of american cia militias that also are room working in your country no im not and do you think the taliban were having a tragic joke here why sign a deal in any case if there were plans on ordering mass bombardment of Afghan Security Service Installations within hours of the agreement being signed the status quo the taliban try to do most Straight Days after the deal and before that the except the one week of our uvas they wanted to demonstrate that they are powerful that they are strong that they can destroy that they can care that they are in control of security we are in a trust building. Stage on the one hand there is a Peace Agreement to a taliban between the u. S. And taliban on the other hand up on into other negotiation is due to happen very soon and people are on that sense people are excited but on the other hand when they see killing when this see uncertainty when they see that the taliban are still emphasizing independence if you about the future rights and liberties of people of afghanistan theyre worried so therefore i think taliban really have to demonstrate some level of welling this and probably compromise to build the trust the because people have on the need to really see that taliban are genuine india are called for peace negotiation others after the agreement signed you see major attacks happen i think that further complicate the process therefore i think my call to the both sides about in particular to taliban because they are the one who started their attack would be to listen to them to the voice and call of people of afghanistan which do you want to end this war National Assembly Vice President thank you. Thats it for the show will be back on monday to discuss another country bombed by britain syria which announced forthcoming elections but is now fighting a whole war with nato member turkey where for. This week before saudi arabia until then even such dressers really do enjoy the underground. Decline adoptions driven by banks failing and countries failing and now in lebanon on theyve got a huge crisis and of course big plans come to the rescue