Show so how confident are you about trumps pick as the czar for a coronavirus v. P. Pence is he competent enough to it to manage this well potentially could be a National Emergency well i do think the Vice President 1st of all thank you for having me and i do think the Vice President is competent enough. To get out of the way and he will allow experts to take the forefront were now is you know the president is indicating that he wants all information to funnel through the Vice President and so in a western democracy thats very dangerous a clear eyed Capital Allocators whatever my partisan leanings or or my opinion of the president i dont bring that to bear in making analytical judgments here you know were running 11000000000. 00 watching his press conference a few days ago my 1st reaction was we had to get in a way more defensive position because. If you have the government whether its an autocracy earth democracy lying about the extent of something thats health and Human Services related it could have very big consequential damages to the mortgage ways yeah you know already communist china is saying they might even be shutting down some of their pop up hospitals what does it say about health care the most Expensive Health care system in the world the United States in terms of tax capita income in working this out in the United States the Coronavirus Response in general as it relates to the markets the big question is how overrule ruly and now damaging will the virus be and so if its 10 times worse than the flu and thats going to have a consequential damage and major stress on the u. S. Health care system yeah but it was just sort of if you just said in defense of that you know taking defensive positions why is that and whats it like actually have sky Bridge Capital right now as the information filters in and you get new cases every other hour or so every other day i mean this is my 30 and i was in the white house for 11 days prior to that and after that ive been doing this for 31 years and so i was defensive before the corona Virus Outbreak just because were in late cycle economic expansion with heavy weights a deficit spending it does not feel like that in itself would end well the white swan or black swan of the coronavirus is complicating matters further and its slowing down the economy and just rocking the supply chain if its worse than we think it will sell a lot more if its better than we think it will rally my personal opinion is that the market will rally from here ok goes without saying that both of us think it will be a tragedy if the deaths do amount on that kind of scale but i dont know whether you are the one writing join those 11 days for speeches. About the need for a cut in Interest Rates because trump has been calling for a cut in Interest Rates more or less in sea and to the white house do you think a cut of some kind can can save the markets if the coronavirus threat is worse than has been currently predicted well i think theres going to be a cut i mean theres at least you know the futures markets are equating 100 percent probability d for 25 basis points on march 19th it could go as high as 50 depending on market activity the great irony of that is the cut in rates is supposed to simulate spending but were telling people to stay home and so theyre forced semi quarantined themselves to prevent the virus from spending spreading so weve got a confluence of things that are not making much sense that people but it doesnt really matter theyll cut rates anyway because Interest Rates are the financial gravity of Financial Assets of the lower they are the higher the value of those assets but heres the thing that i think you know agree with me the global central banking coordination of lower d rates as created the wester how 6 of nationalism and populism because as rates go lower very very rich people get richer and richer and the poor middle class cant catch up and so in a weird way ben bernanke in janet yellen actually created Bernie Sanders and donald trump ok ill get to that because everyones talking about super tuesday but you knew the president do you think he was genuinely being. Trying to calm things down when he said the coronavirus or at least the talk the way that the coronavirus was being talked about was in a manner of a hoax like say the russia hoax do you think he was he meant that to try and calm things down or he was genuinely ignorant about what coronavirus was well i think you know in the present as well. Idea was very market century and i think he thought by downplaying the potential sabera to it that would inspire and still confidence in the market but as i was trying to explain the other at c. N. N. That does the exact opposite youre way better getting to the podium like that and at least laying out the facts cogently and then suggesting that you have a team of experts that are going to advance your agenda that youre not going to be that person youre not quote unquote d smarter than the experts he may be in his mind smarter than his generals and hes a very stable genius but i dont think any Market Participants views him as a Nobel Prize Winning immunologic this immunologists if you will he would be way better served by Communications Plan of laying out the facts but then also letting people know that he has enough selfconfidence to let others take the reins here that have more experience than him in these particular subjects but you are presumably as aware as he is that theres going to be political the politicization of his response to the coronavirus do you think theres an element of the fact that there are people working against him who want to basically oppose what say he was trying to get in the News Headlines about afghanistan a peace deal with the taliban well i mean listen i mean theres a couple of things there theres character theres management style and theres communication so you know listen ive said my piece about the president if you look at the polls and you look deeply into those polls is Campaign Team has to be very very wary because the things that claire out of me are white women white women suburban voters and he seems to be in a permanent stickiness at around 4142 percent and thats not going to be enough to win this election ok but were you impressed at least i know sky Bridge Capital probably on investing off the back of it in afghanistan where youre impressed by the qatar seeming the. All ready people are saying that the ceasefire has been broken in afghanistan i know last time you seem to favor tools to gavins a nonintervention approach when it came to Foreign Policy well you know what i was basically saying about polls you gabbert is that having been to afghanistan and having beds to iraq and last wednesday night i had dinner with a massacre crocker you may remember ryan crocker who served in both iraq and afghanistan during very difficult moments in the 2 wars i think that we are better served we were less intervention all it seems like you know youre youre miscalculating going in all of the unknowns and youre miscalculating withdrawing what all the unknowns will be as well and so youre an equally perilous situation but i think in the case of this piece you know i love the United States and American Patriot you have to look at it clinically holing all of those troops out knowing that theres still a terrorist threat and that region and knowing that the taliban will come back harder and stronger than ever before after 20 years of fighting them you know i think i think i think it was a political decision very similar frankly to the political decision that president obama made in 2011 into 12 which was a light trawl decision to pull troops out of iraq so you know it where is where is me is that the long term Strategic Interests of the United States are sometimes dictated by domestic politics ok but then if we ignore trumps decision to assassinate a top iranian general kusum silly money you must have heard is speech of the sea back rally surely he came out like a peace time president or a peace maker president more than the any president you can remember well but also very similar to president obama and you know we can go back with the hind set of history and say that the invasion of iraq was probably not. In our best interest long term given what happened in the heavy deficit spending that this country generated to stay committed to those worse and obama and obama of course launched the war in libya which apparently trump opposed maybe you know maybe supported it before opposing it does it does it really matter or i think its a broader question about American Leadership and long term thinking and really trying to think about what is right or wrong to do as opposed to left or right or whats going to get me elected iran elected and so it was said i want peace more than anybody i have betty afghanistan i have twar that you know probably 7 of our Forward Operating bases i had bend to baghdad i certainly dont like seeing american troops wounded or killed in battle and i certainly dont like seeing civilian deaths so you know i would love to figure out ways to do things more diplomatically but the flip side of that when you look at the research you look at the intelligence you know terrorist Training Camp for me is still taking place along the border of pakistan and afghanistan and having a 10000 troops unified nato force deployed there would have probably continued to unravel and the nest those people ok well anyway the peace deal apparently is unraveling just finally i think i can see the bloomberg terminals behind you there and i think you favor bloomberg for the democrat president ial nomination it is of course when he signed is who has been leading what do you think about the facts on his raise the specter of russian interference in the democrat primaries well in the in the event that my clients are watching im a very cheap guy who only have one bloomberg terminal i think everybody share or maybe your support for is going to get you cheaper subscriptions is that whats behind it like i like bloomberg but i dont spend all that money on that turmoil. On the Bernie Sanders. You know listen i side with the america to tell what he sees all day its no surprise to me that. There are people in russia among the certainly saying its the government because i havent seen the intelligence but you have hacker communities you have all different types of people all they want to get into and you know disrupt the american democracy in other western democracies i get that already see if you want trucked away or work super or to make birdie sanders the nominee because. Tony karon we thank you thank you for the break but given forget the us is arguably got away with wiki leaks reveal the Afghanistan War crimes but the whistle blowing organization hasnt whistleblower eileen in the future for publishers and whistleblowers after the torture of Julian Assange. Former u. K. Home Office Minister norman bake it tells us all about the senior official he worked with whisper tucker early just resigned saying he will sue Boris Johnsons government for bullying all the support coming up in part 2 of going underground. Thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the countrys military and the decision little shattered lives are bringing. A complete. The day that im afraid ill be instructed you know told to shut up what they kill me and i see how it destroyed my life many screamed at me me me come in any damn eye on him and he right mean his birth think if you take into account that women dont report because of the extreme retaliation and its probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the us military rape is a very very traumatizing tapping but ive never seen trauma like. And who are veterans who suffered military sexual trauma reporting rape is more likely to get the victim punished than the offender behind an almost 10 year career which i was very invested in and i gave that up to report a sex offender who was not even put to justice or put on the registry this is simply an hour in violence male sexual predators for the large part of target whoever is there to prey upon whether thats a man or women. Who are feeding our hopes our dreams our desires our money to computer screens and what do we get back to now like thats thats a bad deal so when this technology jumping out of this one is the goal is he helping to keep me healthy to keep me informed or to keep me you know connected and i missed it so we will live in an area the post screen area where we will live with less at all these screens and it will be more in harmony or will help us more. Welcome back join me not to go through some of the weeks top stories this fall when you get on one of them instead norman bay good norm and welcome back to the program forget the royal baby or Boris Johnsons baby super tuesday the story concerning us is about someone you worked with who actually. Her boss had to resign over meeting israeli assets pretty battell who is calamity well this is a hatchet job for the for the mail which is a press release really suck columbuss off switching fury its not mandarin for the rotten summons the b. B. C. To announce a book out. To sue a bully or i was but. Them has been the Civil Service the 33 years very professional Civil Servant very very balanced that always agree with them doesnt matter to get professional advice so they had to be driven to this is quite extraordinary when toward the sunday times reporting that m i 5 is no longer briefing the home secretary of this. Country a i cant even remember the 1st time in my 5 had to publicly deny a story whereas philip roth well i mean briefing against the home secretary using secret intelligence that agencys this country to damage the reputation of an elected official pretty well theres no evidence whatsoever that for that rotten just phone support for the m i 5 story in the papers it may be true for all i know the m i 5 have got concerns about pretty patel and if they have it wouldnt be surprised given her record of International Management when she went off pieced and decided to have a series of secret meetings where this leading israeli politicians including Benjamin Netanyahu when he was allegedly on holiday without telling the Prime Minister at the time series of may and she was sacked for that would do things going through his head thinking he can sue the government well i mean he thinks hes got a case for constructive dismissal think he probably has if you honor into employment position and your life is made into intolerable that briefing to go against you that youre subject to unflattering comments in the press which have been deliberately put there as this story in my view in the mail then of course affects of late trying to damage your reputation and destroy your credibility that is instructive dismissal im sure leave the mail and Associated Newspapers that say theyre not just acting as a conduit for the privilege of the only really obvious that this is a well known about not really seen leaking a store other leaked story in the past 48 hours of an out of Court Settlement involving pretty battell legibly 25000. 00 pounds of taxpayers money was paid when did the b. B. C. Get that story is that a game coming from severe that we dont know anything come from for the brought them and i didnt want to say again because of my father to recruit from him i suspect it didnt last but it came from an m i 5 and probably true in my opinion of the Civil Service but i was a minister for almost 5 years when top jury not 5 years my impression the press by the way present company excluded. Were down the mirror at least if we go to the next story is governing stories that i dont really see this in brokaws new. Know we have considered very much but d. W. P. In cover up iraq to calm a storm after destroying dozens of secret benefit deaths reports well we know here we are we going to situation where people who are on benefits sometimes have their benefits for moved without a very good reason that causes distress and in some cases it seems apparently suicide and death and clearly thats not very encouraging for the government to help out publicize more than joining the liberal democrat cory coalition soon you always like well i mean i there if he was a coalition you try to put the most obscure things on me as you try to pin them over the right wing deceives in fairness this is 2015 to 2060 as Data Protection laws suggest you shouldnt keep information longer need to keep it and they may have been very zealous and forcing that thats one possible explanation other explanation is that its all very embarrassing and to prove the case that theyve been taken away benefits from people who then committed suicide in fairness to the government theyre not going to pilot just scheme apparently where theyre going do re nationalize the privatized disability testing yourself that tell us and so they should because when i was an m. P. Only in one area i should say well we dont m. P. Much a situation say i had people who had better bits taken away from who clearly were entitled to those benefits for spurious reasons so the system doesnt work properly but is it a conscious cruelty i think its an attempt by the government to say we dont want to have inverted commas scroungers weve also limited each people from the system and there was interpreted not to have been overzealous obviously anyone in distress can get in contact with the samaritans other n. G. O. S who may be going through problems with the British Welfare system dont we grabbed the foreign secretaries in saudi arabia today perhaps more getting our arms sales to saudi arabia 20000 dead around in yemen in part because of british weapons being used on civilians that this goes to this the intercept involving you that nice what took money from saudi businessmen after documenting his coercive labor spell roaming practices in america. Marcus padley well look i mean this is a very unwise of Human Rights Watch theyve taken a donation from a saudi businessman who has that of toyota condition which is that not money must not be used to promote l g b t gay rights in the middle east money is buying your policy that cannot be right for an end your for government only for envy else i mean human rights which is already controversial arguably because it refused to call the us backed coup in bolivia a coup bolivia where we get all the lithium from for all our mobile phones how shocked are you that you are lights words. Im concerned because if you would enjoy its a slippery slope to start tailoring your policies on what you say according to where the money is coming from which appears to be whats happening mechanical or have they said its a deeply regrettable decision to have accepted the donation did a good conditions did not affect the commitment of the organization. In terms of its support for the rights or do you think of the well i mean they had to say to this billionaire that condition full stop dont stop but we dont taking your money your rights are quite important theyre under threat across the world under threats in the middle east in particular under threat in russia from mr putin who apparently wants to ban same sex is done against gay marriage yes i mean i watch it or not youve done for political reasons presumably would you think its a vote in it although it doesnt stop him going around dressed or undressed and 5 and a half naked on or switch or so many people as a whole erotic picture no make a thank you well the trumpet ministration has just signed a controversial Peace Agreement in qatar with the taliban aimed at ending the u. S. As long as they have a war forgotten appears to be all the u. S. Funding of al qaeda and the u. S. War crimes revealed by wiki leaks instead we get leaks is Julian Assange is in london facing a defacto death sentence arousing questions about the future of publishers and whistleblowers in nato countries was a bigger eileen joe. Both of their is no mean whistleblower joins me now welcome back to going a league round eileen im going to get to the book and the house of commons a meeting in a 2nd but it was 5 years ago when you were last time julius are just being granted political asylum in ecuador an embassy in london would have been your thoughts as we heard reports of this case last week regarding his extradition to the United States where i am really frightened for journalists firstly all the people that we deal with need journalists to get the truth out and are many find every journalist is in danger because of whats going on here its hard to believe that this is the u. K. You know this is our Justice System that supposed to be so fair. Ive actually set through one of the pre hearings and it was awful to watch it. As far as were concerned the whole thing is just a total scandal and its an attack on free speech and we should all be standing up and doing something about this was a plane organizations human rights organizations we should all be outraged at whats going on here and there is a deafening silence i know in a way you were meant to like julian the son should buy government for germans in the late great campaigning journalist buchanan the stern youve been campaigning for ednas lawful whistleblower. If the publishers and journalists cant get the whistleblower yeah they should does this how does this damage it was really if you actually damaging the government fashion award which we do every year to share Julian Assange one that award and he was voted for by whistleblowers is the only award in the whole world where whistleblowers for journalist help to get the truth now so i think that bears testament firstly to have important the Julian Assange case is to whistle blowing the man in the street might think oh well you know its not important to me it doesnt affect me but if x. Is all effects the Public Interest and it effects us as a country that we have this stain on our Justice System remind me about moores law and tell me about how the house of commons meeting went with all the m. P. s are they going to finally get this on the structure but we have got support in the house of commons we have is it what is the law just remind me is law it is a law that would from the minute somebody blows the whistle would protect the genuine whistleblower good employers have nothing to fear from it this law at the moment we have a situation where lawyers and the compliance industry are making millions in profit and whistleblowers have got no food because they did the right thing the new book explains to the man in the story what why its important and all of the issues and all of the evidence around in that the case where this law is based on evidence from over 7000 whistleblowers but we also have support from family members whove lost loved ones because whistleblowers were ignored and this is the Health Industry the police. Because its a board it can be anything but there is no me in whistleblower also outlines why the existing Public Interest is a loser which presumably Boris Johnson government would say is already there so you dont need to school we were the 1st people to use the Public Interest disclosure act 22 year. Ago the paper 7 used that law and that your file then and we Petition Parliament at the time and said dont let any other whistle blows be filed by this so if theyre saying that today 20 years ago in hansard the 1st case raised serious concerns about law and those concerns were ignored and it has cost countless lives and it has allowed people in no to can get away with abuse and also as a form doing well as i understand it group for the private insurers in the in this country which insured xeloda journalism they they refute that there are. Anything in the bylaws or within the i dont believe that stop a civil yet well actually denial is one of the biggest factors in this in this case. Is not the only bad company in the whole world there are Many Companies with that culture theres been you know the australian War Commission evidence on the message abuse in peoples homes in australia weve been calling for an inquiry into historic disappearing cases and people that have got nothing to hide and want evidence reexamined dont tend to call for public inquiries to look at the evidence we over. She executives and bosses on the program to refute what youre saying reduce think at the moment there is a Legal Defense of whistle blowing in this country now there is no no we also ednas law is unique because it also campaigns for Public Interest defense for those whove signed the official secrets act and whats not happening at the minute is that everybody is being protected under peter except genuine whistle as a Public Interest disclosure ok with it was half a decade is a shame you can do more than the show its not that the politicians are corrupt is it because the politicians dont fully understand that there is a problem yet i mean they say i mean youve got cases going through courts of the many where people are far into have a brain protection and then they find out very quickly that there is no protection from whistle plain or. The Worst Companies cover up and deny and they deny for years and years and years what do you say then to a whistleblower watching this right now whos working for a big force of yeah of billy working in a care home working at police there isnt a Public Interest difference was was to do no i mean theyll tell you that youre protected by law but you know if youre in a union obviously go to union for advice or contact compassion and care more going to throw or the whistler which is another. Organize they are Sister Organization ok i mean many lawyers would say surely that any corporate lawyer say we have conventions that britain is up to and human rights and the u. N. Charter and the european charter and so on the doesnt tell that to the person whose mother and father has just started in a care home tell tell them that you know theres a charter for human rights because human rights doesnt apply to those people and this people to die you know been abused and in care homes theres wrongdoing going on in all sectors right now and there is no nor there or any action or any authority that will do anything about the wrongdoing thats going on every day effects members of the public but the public only see whistleblowing as something thats maybe like it would snowden but until their child is killed by a drunk bus driver who somebody had reported is was drinking on g. T. A. So its every aspect of our everyday lives you open a bottle of water and you drink it and you can see in that water site and if it wasnt safe it would be able to supply would that would tell you that and if we dont protect those people then we are all in danger in shop thank you and thats of the show where we got inside it is the trump of the tropics brazils president her boss in our visit to washington d. C. After his country became the 1st in latin america to test positive for corona virus so that he was the treasurer media joined the underground by subscribing to our you tube channel. The corona virus is a Global Health danger that is yet to be contain this fire has also raised questions about the integrity of supply chains open borders and the weaknesses of globalization and dangerously this virus is being used as a political weapon. Developing our days her old peace deal with washington the taleban killed 20 soldiers in afghanistan while the u. S. Strikes. 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