Turkey have run out of road at this point and i think you said it best peter that he is definitely in a very tough spot a tough spot of his own making and i really think that when you look at a site like the b. B. C. Theyre also starting to finally finally represent the situation after years of falsely represent what was going on by only starting to come around and you also had told gabbert the other day you came out with this statement as well stop calling them moderate rebels they are not moderate rebels theyre isis fighters that the u. S. Has been funding i mean youre starting to see that narrative change and theyre starting to come around after many many years and i think that has a lot to do with the fact that while they say they may support turkey and they may say that you know turkey is a nato ally and we stand by you the support was very lukewarm for the United States and for the e. U. And i think theres just. No appetite anymore to deal with should natica and there really is not and i think youre going to see that reflected even in even in the fake news Mainstream Media thats going to start getting reflect you know its interesting to me as the you know the russians and the turks have been dealing with this issue for quite a bit in and almost every single step of the way into one deviates from what hes promised ok and in the western media interpretation is that somehow this is all russias fault i mean for Goodness Sake russia has been trying to help everyone save face for well over a year on this particular issue. If youre not going to do over there year since their failed coup against him in 2016 russia has been trying to find a more disproven get with but. You know the west is able to watch them have begun because they are not conceive quenched i mean just last year when the. Knowledge that he would move his troops into the north and areas of syria controlled by the kurds there was an old cry in the west he is breaching the border and somebody finally realized there are kurds there thats what. The keyboard here is a western ally they kept saying that kurds out west an ally so you cannot dodge them you cannot enter the a. V. S. Even the. Even the Syrian Government should not enter it even though legally its all syrian territory right if. Not on the border with turkey but look at that map its pretty deep inside syria its 5 percent of the syrian territory and its controlled by jihadi groups even the b. B. C. Acknowledged you know so the question is how can you clean up the area you know the Syrian Government the Russian Aviation how can they do it without using media means you know the west is huge but critical they keep saying that. Job quite honestly is a terrorist organization now its called. Sham and the 3rd if soldiers who were killed during the recent operations of the syrian army there they were killed or berated next door at the create a sham so so how can the Syrian Government be blamed for using media true force against terrorism only talking terribly since the it is acknowledged that this is going to have to be resolved and if its not going to be resolved its going to be resolved by the military nevertheless there are just. As soon as there have started you need to go with what that statement might pale who instead of condemning operating on another country you know as the western media. Said could you share this he said that the United States is prepared to take the strongest diplomatic and economic against that oxford regime and any state or individual that supports censorship so the United States decides for the whole world who the whole world should support even in the case but this is a country and a member of the United Nations which is i dont know theres some territory is pretty thin is pointed out here lets go going to talk about the nato angle here and nato doesnt seem to have much of an appetite for these. Escapades. On the part of the turks i mean a nato ally here but they already invoke article 4 for consultations which is only one step away from invoking article 5 of self defense for the entire alliance is anybody in nato going to listen to him outside of rhetorical i know that the white house came out for absolute support but that doesnt mean Material Support no i think its both a yes and no of their because form for nato and specially them out of state a little bit of conflict here has not been a negative thing that is because. The u. S. Has been very anxious all arab. This about turkey and russia getting along too well indeed they dont like that russia gets along too well with serbia with china with germany like the usually its a problem across the board but with with turkey. Some conflict has been good to the extent there is driven a wedge between the turks and the russians however you are correct i dont have an appetite for going to war against russia in order to protect a jihadi protecting me in an illegal invasion to a good 3rd country but i want point i think just to that i think its quite important to know that there is you would think theres some room for for compromise here because it seems everyone now is more or less recognizing that the us is controlled by jihadists and if this is the case surely there must be some room for cooperation because i think from now on the west would be somewhat comfortable by keeping it there as a jihad as protector given that its a thorn in the side of syria and the russians however now that russia and syria is pushing. Them back i mean obviously the problem is going to have. Yes course of refugees heading north were going to talk about that if you g. s here in a 2nd here alex let me go back to you and and i mean everyone is basically put in position where he has to decide if he wants to go to war against russia in syria i mean what a dilemma to find yourself in particularly since the 2 countries russia and turkey have been talking about it. For well over a year now making agreements and its not that the russians have lost patience it just doesnt come through i mean he has not kept his word in resolving this issue its its all comes back to him go ahead. He hasnt only not kept his word hes overextended to the point where hes in big trouble now computer i mean he tried to get nato involved that failed the us made some statement some token statements thats about it the e. U. Cant put up with this stuff thats obvious the e. U. Has no appetite for more bike rides coming into europe. Hes antagonizing russia he got involved in libya he has overextended himself to the point where dog is in serious serious trouble he cannot take on a war in syria i dont think he can even take on the syrian army at this point lets not forget that after the coup in turkey that failed coup erda want purged his entire military and the Turkish Military has not been doing very well with their operations in syria their economies and shambles the turkish economy is a big mess what happens if russia decides to put more sanctions now that were coming into the tourist season in the summer what happens if they decide to sanction turkey again and look at look at their do was look at us in collapse yeah but he cant and can you afford even to alienate the russians at all with the tourism i energy. I think civilian Nuclear Power i mean theres a lot of involvement there ok real quick before we go to break you know but i think thats a problem as well though. Because russia and turkey has invested so much time in from having a Good Relationship theres a sense of reassurance that they wont go to war but i think theres also the problem because this reassurance is put into the calculation that is the turks think that the russians wont respond because the turks and the russians have a big interest in maintaining good relations if the habit i mean theyre going on is that hes good in the bizarre but he blocks way too often we go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news stay with r. T. Thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the countrys military a decision that has shattered lives bring. A complete. 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All right peter 1st of all its important to note that greece on the islands right now mainly lesbos which is an island which is close to turkey right now you have close to 2025000 migrants living in an open air camp as it is is a camp that was meant to house 3000 migrants and theyve been there since 20152016 when 1000000 migrants paster Greece Greece is a 1st port of entry for these migrants and these refugees from turkey now the greek Prime Minister a new Prime Minister who recently won the elections with a very strong mandate mr meeks attack us and i quote said no illegal entries into greece will be tolerated this follows an announcement by the greek government that theyre going to tighten the border due to the corona virus because weve also had our 1st cases here in greece and they want to tighten the border and especially with the microbes passing through as is also a health risk so the greek government at this point in time is basically saying no microbes be allowed in or the ground has already started pushing migrants hes busing them in to the border with greece and on boats to land on the greek islands and the greek government is deploy military and National Guard and theyre stopping the migrants the greek government needs to stand firm if it folds like it did in 20152016 allows the migrants to come through youre looking at a disaster not only for greece but for europe ok alex but is it then is the view that the greeks have the of the backing of the European Union on this are they still being open ended on the issue because a greek in greece has taken a stand what about the e. U. Itself go ahead. I think the e. U. So far has has been very lukewarm they havent signal which way theyre going to go one way or another they dont have an appetite for more migrants either though im confident that the majority of e. U. Countries does not want to see the microbes passing through greece and moving upward up to the north thats for sure the question becomes what will Angela Merkel and market on do i dont think that this time around theyre going to go toward the one and give him a payoff like they did last time a bribe yeah because i know you worked at the because it doesnt work it didnt work it didnt work if they do do that then youre looking at a complete you collapse what i care about though at this point in time peter is that greece the greek government needs to stand firm it doesnt matter what the e. U. Wants at this point in time and its because its about protecting greeces borders especially now during the Health Crisis with coronaviruses well you cannot have the like roads pass through whatever money is going to be given to. Should not be given to you want to be given to syria the e. U. Should be given money to syria the u. S. Should be giving money to syria so they could rebuild and the migrants from syria that are in turkey from syria its important to know that the syrian migrants and refugees can return home to wreak build the country you know real quick and in to follow up with what alex had to say here not only do you have these refugees slash migrants you also have jihad is probably built into this as well so not only is it a health issue it is a security issue go ahead let me just remind you that state just the western press when they talk about isis fighters from germany and french and german nationals who went to fight in syria how did they get that its all what they what they went to turkey and from the turkish that are treat they perceive it but unfortunately i cannot quite agree with what that accept because i am reading that statement of nato and the e. U. Turkey is a precious ally i am quoting you have spoken about. Where the from whence the punch backing it up i mean i some of the. Same thing to me its certainly easy if you take it seriously i take it serious i dont have at all times i have seen that you were union destroying itself in the name of regime change i mean how much did they lose because of the regime change in your great hundreds of billions how much did they lose because of their regime change in syria all of the sort of money and thousands of lives european lives you know victims of terrorism. And that they keep the only in that sense i do agree with you but what im saying is that you dont really have any strong words coming from nato in getting involved in this because that its not their dog fight by ok what do they want world war 3 because everyone cant figure out what he wants to do with turkey in syria really this is the most amazing this is why and regular say that not on the air of god but the west is to blame for what happens of course im looking at their statements from the french government for example total support french turkish cooperation in syria they use in these phrases when the russian journalist wanted to ask questions to young stoltenberg you know 2 days ago when the nato summit took place they were barred from austin questions stoltenberg only took questions from europeans and turks so you cannot even question their. Legend. I think they do have something common like for some of france and turkey that is a shared interest in maintaining it live the way it is because see a low cost before when they if they cant resolve the problem least keep them there yeah but if they all if theyre defeated now and they go north yes initially thats turkeys problem theyre going to have maybe a 1000000 more refugees again thousands and thousands of jihad is as well which is why recognizing the jihad. But theres turkey opens the borders the longer be turkeys problem then it will be the us problem so i think turkey and their peons have a common into. And sharing that it remains syrian and the russian problem so i think thats where the thats what they will have in common really interesting because that means its now resolved nothing is off the radar. You know if you look at the statements the most been ignorant statements on our side come from france and to the french former foreign minister Laurent Fabius said that i quote. Does not merit he does not marry to leave on the planet who has. To tell the president of a sovereign country whether he should leave on this earth or not and that what has been told to rate in this you know elder than when he got to root you know he got kind of criticized in the e. U. The european politicians made nor were less shameless statements or in the country that they dont know and that they have no right to get involved in particularly every decision they made has been wrong. You know alex one of the interesting things as i was reflecting upon going to the studio is that thank goodness john bolton is still there what did. You know i mean the thing is is that of course you could have the mike pompei i was in and heres a see this is an opportunity to escalate but the man in the oval office at the last thing he wants to see happen what 250 days out from the election go ahead. Yeah i agree with that i dont think its going to get involved in syria and lets not forget that weve just crossed our fingers might have gotten a deal with afghanistan iran also trump can surprise you theres no doubt about it that hes unpredictable and i think he is going to to stay out of syria and if anything hes going to come down hard on or dont want. I tend to believe that no one likes erred though on including could on and france i do so i do agree that they are making statements and there are peace in turkey but i think at the end of the day europe and the e. U. They cannot handle another my current info they just cant handle especially now with breaks it the u. K. s out the e. U. Is suffering they cannot handle this and im going to say it once again greece can definitely not handle by great influx thats theres no doubt about it greece will collapse if more bikers come in the mix of doc is government will collapse if he submits to the e. U. s wishes if their wishes are to push migrants in there is no chance that this can work on needs to figure a way out he needs it off ramp and i think russia is trying to provide him some sort of off ramp the question is will there deal on take it this time i dont know i think i think hes really got in same way i mean this is they have made the off ramp analogy is absolutely appropriate in and as ive already mentioned in the program glenn hes been given that repeatedly you know meetings in in sochi and whatnot he wont take the offer and i mean is it because he doesnt know how to resolve this jihad disinfestation in that hes part and parcel all about or he cant get them to libya fast enough i mean what instance what explains this because either he doubles down or he leaves any good politician of a major country never denies himself or herself options. Hes denying themselves options go ahead and i think thats. The difficult position which is created for himself. But i do initially have some sympathy for the difficult position they are in though because they have more than 3 and a half 1000000 refugees now theyre becoming more and more unpopular in the country and was a bad economy it destabilises further so he needs. The country will take more but that of course suggests he should have taken this offer which russia has given him and given him before now also can sympathize its difficult to disarm the jihad is because turkey is main influence in the it is that is a protector of turkey if theyre going to go and try to disarm them or make them give up their weapons obviously it is going to be very difficult task. But again theres a reason why this to how this have the power of the why they have the weapons they have and if they would have gone in again russia has given a lot of concessions in the north of syria allowed the turks the breathing space to need. To go this hard on the i believe it seems very foolish i did see a rational because i do because i dont see what the end game is i mean its the end game to maintain the status quo i suppose thats one option. Lets not. 5 percent all the syrian territories so if i break down wants to invade syria you know and reform it it in the way he wants then the best moment was in 2012 when all the west was against syria you know the Russian Troops the russian invasion will still not there was in the making so he didnt do it now there is a lot less opportunity to do with a stable thing but i agree with that its when he says these age should be given to syria but how dont forget syria is still under sanctions turkey is not under sanctions in other countries scenery is under sanctions you cannot help 90 percent of the. Syrian territory because of the e. U. And the United States have decided that theyre not going to help let me let me hold you know its ever going to make me so i guess. If we do you for toss up this will give us a control over life saving 8 enabling him to feed support us and starve anyone who resists his cruel rule so this is the excuse for not sending too many 3rd in aid to this starving conflict the same reasoning with venezuela thats all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in athens and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are d. C. U. Next time and remember. You know what it do to keep Oil Companies could not go to the police with you to please. Dont get. This done up on the ball for use in the boardroom or. In the back of the car you want to give. A pretty all you want to drive. Through the titans or. Something to the market of it to you to see your son some of the to. Go to shows. Locals to the world for the big Business School these are a little musical with the ones who. Want to perform for the supreme. Chose seemed wrong. But old rules just told. 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