A science nobody believes you until you have hard evidence and they give it to us and i think really thats the reason why the us sure looks you know determined to get assad to humiliate him to destroy him its to sort of the story of walk crimes and torture back into the bottle and make this a story about somebody demonized in such a criminal way my feeling is that hes not going to get anything like a fair trial and its really quite a shame for journalism in general you might have to remind us actually there was a wiki leaks us cable showing the International Red cross met with u. S. Officials in delhi about warnings of detention and torture by indian authorities in cash when one learns these things when leaks come we know its happening i mean we dont need these leaks in fact we have people on the record talking about how theyve been tortured but it hasnt done enough to shake this govern. Particularly against its quite criminal policies against certain docketed populations ok well i have to say they deny commission did come on this program to tell us that there is no arbiter detention or torture currently being meted out in in kashmir as you can imagine thats the Indian Governments position thats as good or what your understanding of what happened in delhi away from all the Media Coverage of trumps visit to good giraffe i mean the fact is that for the last 6 years the population of india has me put on the enormous what we in india call communal stress a communal is the word used to describe sectarian differences sectarian tensions sectarian violence so you know the more the government has prosecuted of far right and the muslim agenda from the 1st when it came into office and this case skating set of pressure put on Indian Society erupted last year in november and december when the more the government push for what they call the citizenship Amendment Bill and then the citizenship Amendment Act this was an incredibly discriminatory piece of legislation that suggested that only non muslims who live in the neighborhood of india are welcome to india if theyre discriminated youve got to understand that india has a population of 200000000 muslims the bin wasnt tended to engender fear in the hearts of 200000000 muslims and all those who think that the b. G. P. And its Parent Organization officious decoders says that their agenda must not go forward what it actually provoked in the b. G. P. Miscalculated was mass protests across india from a silver id of communities not just Indian Muslims arguing against the citizenship amendment back against the test says be should be agenda and ended lead they have been. Several citizens led mainly by muslim women and whats happened is b. J. Politicians have arrived up people used language such as by a bullet sent them and so on they have not been arrested theyve not been prosecuted and theyve basically door dick god to political people to go out on the street and create violence this is not the 1st time weve seen gunfire against unarmed protesters and im sure to not be the last time most i think egregiously the Central Government thats more these government could drools the delhi police the b j p denies its discriminatory against muslims that its targeting muslims that you know the media this week has been talking not about that so much its been talking about the amazing pictures that we got from our ground but obviously from good drama when trump said he was going to sell 3000000000. 00 whether weapons to india what do you make of what position modi is in because some are saying actually rather than being a great powerful that list leader hes being outflanked by washington by dont trump and the old imperial divide and rule between china and india the trumpet ministration as bush something that it calls that indoor pacific strategy the idea of the in the pacific strategy is to your japan australia india and the United States into a you know a Real Alliance against china particularly chinas bedded Road InitiativeMorgan Stanley says that china by 2027 will spend about 1. 00 trillion dollars on the bed and Road Initiative so the United States government is trying to draw countries with small grants saying if we give you for instance 500000000. 00 through the Millennium Challenge Corporation you then have to come on us side and not have links with the chinese bed at Road Initiative well it does out. The japanese and the australians both have sort of each you know in story from the United States because they understand that the role of china and asia is quite vital china is you know in a sense unifying is yes very hard to stay out of that mr moore the on the other hand is quite comfortable being the subordinate ally of the United States government is india now fundamentally broken 410000000 in poverty according to the u. N. Its sending rockets to the moon obviously more poor people in the india than the whole of Subsaharan Africa and just these a Congress Party fighting over hereditary leadership is it fundamentally broken is the new light in the tunnel well the light in the tunnel is the fact that you have hundreds of thousands of people on the street protesting d the b. G. P. Agenda i think the problem is a similar problem in many socalled democracies are not time these are sort of places where mass politics is being corrupted by money has been corrupted by the manipulations of whatsapp and so on thats a serious question the United Nations for instance should impanel a commission to discuss money and democracy its not just a problem in india its a serious problem in the United States in the United Kingdom and in other countries which you know pretend to have a democratic country or democratic process i should just ask very briefly obviously pakistan was not happy about the arms deal given the worst attacks on the mainland United States emanated from the Pakistani Border with afghanistan and of course saudi arabia do you think trump is putting the United States of power peril as pakistan views this multibillion dollar arms deal with its ineffective enemy set me up on the Nuclear Armed line of control i mean i think that theres a lot of lines being drawn around this china u. S. Axis pakistans certainly is a deep part of the chinese betancourt project the United States is trying to cut a deal in afghanistan. To bring a brawl u. S. Government in power there this is something that the bugs on his dont want they dont want to bring us through Indian Government in kabul you dont be outflanked you know this is all a very dangerous kind of politics this is not a politics of peace this is a politics of belief and the United States by so closely allied with india by trying to eliminate pakistan as much as possible is just fanning the flames in southern is year around the hindu kush region professor of egypt thank you well while julian its on to fight for freedom in london with the leaks continues to challenge nato narratives of chemical weapons use in syria but as nato nation media looks the other way providing to promote the narratives of Syrian Rebels president assad supporters are claiming you victories against what they say a u. K. U. S. Backed alqaeda in that country joining me now is iranian scola professor Mohammad Marandi whos been traveling on one of the most important highways in the middle east from damascus via it live to aleppo thank you so much for coming on the show youve been driving up one of the most important highways what is it like because nato nation media is only full of stories about russia and syrian air strikes killing women and children in hospitals and schools on mass what sane person is going to believe that the White Helmets that are based and have nothing to do with their. Front with al qaeda with. Me can only be there with their permission and i have visited places in syria where the white house minutes buildings were right beside alqaeda buildings and front of it had to hear a sham they keep rebranding themselves and they have different names but. Across this region the white house minutes have been working hand in hand with out what the United States wants and what western European Countries want and we can hear huge explosions right now. Is this country to be weak and divided because their policy is to strengthen the Israeli Regime at the expense of regional countries well youre on the road to damascus retreat damascus and aleppo the u. N. Is saying 170000 sleeping rough in it live as they say i think you can hear the bombs around you which again the television here in nato nations is saying is russian and syrian air strikes killing women and children did you see any evidence of it i dont know about the numbers but what i can say if the United States neighboring countries saudi arabia and others were not aiding al qaeda this would have been over a long time ago this resistance that theyre putting up against searing arm the syrian army and its allies can only have taken place with the help of these foreign actor so for them to be fearful of the general population is utterly hypocritical they have brought about this devastation no one is more responsible for the cities and the damages and the deaths and destruction that weve seen in syria and the United States government whether under obama or and their european and regional allies in client states your understanding is that aleppo is free i understand youve been up to aleppo as well yes right now where to the south of aleppo alongside the highway right now i can hear explosions as i speak the people in the city are in a much better situation than they were before overwhelming majority of the syrian population on the syrian side they are not important for the western media or western governments because western regimes have sanctioned this country theyre preventing fuel from getting to the people theres a huge shortage of of gasoline when it comes to the overwhelming majority of the Syrian People theres no sympathy. But when its people who are trapped on the alqaeda side of the fighting its apparently its the government it is syrian governments fault for fighting alqaeda you mentioned sanctions there well there are claims that easy you nato nations sanctions against iran disturbing any attempts to get to grips with coronavirus back in your home country are you hearing whats happening back home everyone safe yes everyone that i know is safe but it is interesting that the persian language media thats owned by western countries are funded by western countries like b. B. C. Persian persian deutsch about persian and the saudi channels like Iran International among others theyre all spreading rumors and misinformation to create fear among iranians and its really disturbing the way in which western governments are using their persian Media Channels to carry out psychological warfare against the iranians all those major link stations deny that investment thank you. Thank you after the break its South Carolina primary day but is the real election story greg skordas victory to reveal a conspiracy to destroy democracy in the u. S. A. We speak to the best democracy money can buy. Going underground. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy. Let it be an arms race. Here in Dramatic Development only really im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very. Time to sit down and talk. The republicans have a reputation as knowing more about money than the democrats but the democrats are always very confusing and so Bernie Sanders is just out of a tradition hes talking about socialism which again is a its a its a model based on a in comprehensible. Non existent theory about money. Welcome back in South Carolina is trying to choose its democratic president ial candidates for 20. 24 years after the dreaded 16 results so Hillary Clinton win in controversial primaries exposed for corruption by wiki leaks but does Bernie Sanders only have to dodge Democratic Party dirty tricks this time around joining me is the author of the best democracy money can buy greg palast whos on skype in pasadena greg thanks for coming back on before we get to South Carolina the significance of your victory in georgia in terms of what it means for the 2020 election. Its big stuff the federal court has ruled that as that the governor of georgia formally secretary of state whose guy in charge of voter rolls. A guy named brian camp and in 2018 he well frankly them but it bluntly he stole the election from a black woman named stacy abrams d and i needed to find out exactly how he did that he removed are you ready for this half a 1000000 voters from the voter rolls most of them black people young people and. Remove them from the voter rolls is a very american thing is called the perch and that made him governor of georgia now the federal courts have said hes got to open up his files and tell me exactly how he did this because its a federal court this will mean that all over america while im doing my investigations right now for the Guardian Newspapers of britain. That theyre going to have to open their files and say how they removed voters in the past 2 years 17000000 people have been removed from the voter rolls and there are all kinds of crazy kaka mainly reasons and im going into that this is one way that america maintains kind of the white majority control without removing millions of voters of color young people. Pretty hard for donald trump to get reelected this is one way that the g. O. P. Hopes to keep the that is the g. O. P. Is the Republican Party and the way that they hope this is to stay in power are. People who know no they are one of the great investigative journalists or time but i got to why did it take so long for such a story to end up in the court im not sure whether theyre appealing for this actually to be firmly confirmed confirmed that this kind of gerrymandering this kind of fraud on this scale is taking place. Yeah well it always takes time because in unlike the European Press in our team you know theres American Press is not too interested in talking about the fact that american democracy is has all kinds of problems we still have problems with allow a but why why would they not want to talk about it they said they want to talk about no democracy in venezuela or over libya well you know americans have this great mythic idea which we grew up with as an american in school that we have a great demise the greatest democracy that were all everyone gets to vote and and so because we have this self created myth its very hard to talk about where we fall down from the myth and so and thats one of the difficulties for me is that investigative report because im saying look were removing literally millions of people black people hispanics Asian Americans and young people right now from the voter rolls making it impossible or incredibly difficult for them to vote and its not something that americans like to talk about because we like to think of ourselves as the great democracy but we still have these incredibly painful. Failures of our democracy by removing people we dont like and removing their right to vote ok well tell me now about the allegations youre making against the kansas official kris kobach the connection to trump although of course we invite crisper go back on the charger to refute your claims you believe and you say he was closely tied with trump on racial Voter Suppression techniques. Yes a guy named kris kobach of kansas and i like to say jokingly if you dont remember kris kobach of kids is the kate a he developed systems a one system call crosscheck there are other systems where he is organizing amongst all the republican state voting officials dream move voters of color from the voter rolls of black people who tend to vote democratic and to vote progressive they like birds sanders he doesnt want them to vote of course because hey that undermines the possibility of the reelection of his buddy donald trump don trump tried to put him in charge of a a commission that would look for voters who are voting illegally now in america if you voted illegally you go to jail for 5 years so basically no one does it because it was going to 5 years just to cast a vote in the prison so kris kobach of kansas worked with this guy brian kemp of georgia and and about a 3rd of the other voting officials in america you may be surprised to learn the people in charge of the vote and counting the votes are partisan officials democratic in California Republican in most of america and so you literally have political hacks who are in charge of counting the vote its something its very very hard for european or other people the world to understand that basically you have political. Parties and officials who are in charge or actually counting the votes determining who can vote where they can vote its a strawberry system thats led to a return of lot of the restrictions especially on black voters and latino voters asian voters young voters. Well we invited the Russian Ambassador to london to see whether he can read refute what you said about russian democracy obviously kris kobach would say hes never been in the k. K. K. But lets move to california even though everyone else is talking about South Carolina today you obviously we know from wiki leaks the dirty tricks by the d. N. C. Against Bernie Sanders what are your concerns in california because i got to tell you the l a times is trumpeting redesigned voice vote ballots new touchscreen devices they spent 300000000. 00 on making 2020 a great occasion. Well im kids you know a lot of people are concerned about a new computer touch screen voting we call of pray push and pray it push it push a button for you can they pretty good that theyll count it but im even more concerned about a much deeper problems in california in 2016 Hillary Clinton ran against Bernie Sanders and 8w8w people in california 8300000 people voting for president but only 67000000 votes were counted 1300000 votes were disqualified its heard for any one in europe to understand these were in disqualifying votes in california which controlled completely by the Democratic Party. They removed they disqualify the 1000000 votes of people who are not registered Democratic Party now i understand in california if you dont have to be a democrat to vote in a democratic primary so you have a huge following for birth standards especially among students who are who ever for whatever reason the side not to register in the Democratic Party they have the right to vote for in the Democratic Party and there are laws but they dont count the votes they come with all kinds of reasons to block those voters and this is a problem thats going to come up on super tuesday california is by far the most important state bernie theatres is the favorite of most calla people in california here in the whole state where im im speaking here from the golden state and especially prop you are not only among young people. But among the hispanic voters the mexican americans and others. Youre saying that this is all about suppression i got to tell you i had a super tuesday next tuesday Bernie Sanders is not talking about what youre talking about hes not talking about wiki leaks and what it showed in 2016 where youre saying a 1000000 votes disappeared hes talking about russia hes saying that he doesnt want russia or interfering and far from it being about clintons vote and and i suppose the d. N. C. Getting a bit of payback now because the m s n b c os Chris Matthews compared his success recently and in a way that could be seen as appalling and anti semitic but he why do you think some of this is talking about russia not about the investigations you were doing that and what wiki leaks revealed. Thats whats being covered i will say that that last time Burgess Sanders ignored the fact is vote was stolen from me because he said he does not even want a real even want to elect our own trump and i understand that but this time he did hold a press conference not much covered in the press saying im being good in the state of california where hes very popular especially among hispanics who call him t. O. Birth uncle byrd one 3rd of all voters here by the way are hispanic a white people in california are the minority very briefly greg for those watching in california this episode of going underground i understand youre advising all californians to screenshot the on screen voter card when they have to reregister to vote. What im asked what im suggesting is because the democratic purged. They must by law allowed non democrats to vote thats 5000000 people in california and most of those are bernie supporters the people who are not registered as democrat but are independent voters attend to support Bernie Sanders and so they have a right on election day for the 1st time in california history to really register as democrats and im suggesting that if you want to vote as a democrat that you reregister for the day im not saying you should vote for a democrat im not saying you should vote for sanders or biden or anyone else but all im saying is you if you really want your vote counted tell a Democratic Party that youre a democrat than will count your vote we have a big problem the guy in charge of counting the votes is the secretary of state of california his name is alex vidia he is a very partisan democrat and he is a big supporter of joe biden so hes not very interested in counting votes for birders sanders im sure you know this and im sure he denied that and say that was impossible probably not as last time you know i got to have you who are you who do you think is going to get that are alive now. Us after a lot of very very close race between biden and Sander Sanders is is picking up a great deal of africanamerican votes with jared the main voters in South Carolina so well see its going to be tight and tough race. Greg thank you. Thank you very much thats it for the show will be back on monday is u. K. E. Huge will begin about britains future relationship with the largest neo liberal trade book on earth until then keep it does my social media join the underground by subscribing to allow you to. The world is driven by a dream shaped by one person. Who dares thinks. We dare to ask. And were going to fulfill the repeated promises of politics to the people and come on you know we its all bots to. Make you feel really really really oh. Please. Now you want to 1st correct that. No. Longer. Call be. A problem a. 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