A Public Inquiry into the bombings. It still took 7 years for the government 6 years after the 1904 cease fire to agree to a restricted form of inquiry under Justice Henry byron the inquiry found in his own careful words and despite london refusing to cooperate with the inquiry that the case for collusion was neither fanciful nor absurd or. Crucially however for the families bereaved by other murders north of the border daryn published a full appendix listing the ballistic links between other key attacks. After publication of the foreign report it became obvious that there was still no response from the state. Very serious allegations of where not investigated but there was going to be no response and so we decided that we should respond we should bring people in and their National Figures so we approached a number of people. You an investigator. People on the set off interest academics lawyers people 6 periods we invited them. To look at the evidence to me. To meet with families to meet with p. S. And i was seated. And a troll their own conclusions their own report the International Report which is what they did and it was a very valuable experience people from outside the jurisdiction come here look at the evidence and come to their own conclusions. 10 years ago from 2004 to 2006 i had the privilege of chairing an independent International Inquiry into potential collusion by British Security forces in paramilitary killings of catholics in Northern Ireland. They certainly were not a few bad apples there are a significant number of British Intelligence agencies from within the e. U. See the u. D. R. Who were involved directly in these killings who are in collusion with them and their activities their illegal activities are cording to the evidence we received. To their immediate superiors and putting a number of chief inspectors and inspectors where we were not able to ascertain if the time is how far up the chain of command this went we do know that senior authorities in london on notice of information that should have caused them to further investigations of this collusion in Northern Ireland we found no no indication that they took that obligation seriously. The next big step change came when they start Inquiries Team was set up to investigate all the unsolved matters of the conflict. Which quickly broadened all marriages during the conflict and within that organization the a. G. T. There was a special team set out to investigate claims of collusion aware the state was allegedly involved in the mud as it was headed by a particularly intelligent determined detective called steve morris. My expectations were that on would conduct a full and thorough review of a number of murders that were believed sort of. Involved certain degrees of collusion there was already have been some degrees of collusion from a lower level and by those members of the Security Forces that were directly involved but as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and the degree to which the collusion was involved in some of those cases the one case that totally surprised me was the the fatal bombing of the step in in august launching 76 People Killed where there was overseen by. Police officers. That really flabbergasted me by the lack of response from the only you see. It was quite evident from the outside looking at certain interviews material and documents that elements of the. Knew some of their offices planning and eventually carried out the fate of the stuff in so many others which are. Suspecting customers. What its incomprehensible to me. But they all use a senior level were aware. Bombing was being carried out and in fact the bombing of the. Knowing who was responsible and knowing who they were they still did nothing about it. None of those officers were arrested until 1978 and even then my words were arrested specifically for the step in they were arrested for other matters so from the oldest 1976 until december 19th. The all you did nothing. For us to step in bombing was the smoking gun because although we believe that it was very similar to a lot of other attacks in the clinic there is the difference with the step in was the Historical Enquiries Team under steve morris managed to find all the paperwork. Which showed that that what the authorities had known about the plan leading up to the step in the carrying out of the bombing itself and the facts that although they knew every Single Person whod been involved in the planning the coordination the determining of the target the making of the bomb the storing up the bomb everything then you everybody and everything about this bomb despite that and spite the fact that 2 people were killed and a huge number of other people were very seriously engines not one Single Person was of a. Convicted without bombing despite the r. U. C. Knowing everything about it. The reaction of all those years was easier of course. Devastated the same came true even if. Relief. That i had gone on to. The bush cheney army was there check the horsing out of me the check dish can one of the tallest. Their army and the Police Rather than copy argue a bone wash. And known as the i. E. Question. And question on the haiti teetotallers one thing that their ideas surveyors are in the mid afternoon and the united boma there for years so on this date many of them order that international. Order. And place your partner changes to bed. Only partly indian a get the inquest put forward i know more than a. Oh no clue what they dont. It was clear deals from c. In the individual reports that were coming from the story point queries team the more we were looking at here it was coordinated attacks. Some of the same people used the same weapons same farmhouses same hydes same modus operandi were working together and not truly understand what was happening and who needed to be looked at as a whole that the daily thing else would be to optimize each individual attack to individualize that which didnt tell the bigger story the story that was understood a place headquarters that was all arrested at Army Headquarters at the time that these were coordinated actions and indeed that some members of the Security Forces were taking part in these attacks and so we said to the it c. T. That they only way to properly understand this was to produce an overarching report they agreed they began to work on it but it was never completed it was never delivered. What we think the prospect of an overarching waybe engine thematic report was proved a senior level within the peers and i because. The conclusions would have been just to cause traffic it would have essentially. Made the case and in fact it would have amounted to a state recognition and confirmation that collusion existed within the Security Forces in this particular sector in the conflict and i suppose politically for many many other reasons not was just too long comfortable for many people and for the British Government that meant a pulling out of the overarching report on not really is just acceptable for the focus. One of the fundamental elements of my overall to report would have been for this questions to be almost how is it a group of place officers. Know that they can go back to a fall where there is a bomb in a car having been on the surveillance and yet they know they can go back the following day. And the bomb goes off will drive them the confidence that they were not going to be apprehended there and then. Or some lighter stage for me that is the biggest question that needs to be answered. Desperate to get to the truth for some of the elderly bereaved relatives die steve morris is on answered questions were put before the courts and. Their lawyers challenge the haiti failure to write the thematic report that they were promised. Amongst the legal exhibits provided to the high court was a copy of on cadwallader as lethal allies the 1st time any such group was accepted as a legal exhibit in the northern courts. In july 27th the courts delivered a stunning victory for the families ordering the chief constable to come up within weeks i think sceptical independent fully resourced report to fulfil it here tts promise. Humiliated the chief constable of. Despite objections from the bereaved families 11 of whom passed away since a court case began. Its been a long hard road for the families today it underscores a spin very disappointing that the overarching report that would have pulled everton together and made all the connections. And being completed there. How important is very for the. Importance frustrating yesterday was disappointing you have your ups and downs equally in the story but i know the however frustration and obsession it is for me there are people all over Northern Ireland who have lost families who are getting up this morning wondering if this is going to be a good day and they finally get some justice. So these days you never know what the courts are going to decide but theres no doubt about it in the 3 months since groundbreaking pictionary in the courts on the 28th of july 27th team although the p. S. And i and the stakes were ordered by the judge to negotiate with us and come forward with agreeing to routes to inquiry enter a horse weve just discovered that they have done nothing. Absolutely nothing so if youre an individual or a citizen and you were ordered to do something by course you have to do it somehow if your police force and you are all the right course to something you can get away with doing nothing for at least 3 months and if they decide to appeal today which is possible it could delay everything right here. Some of this holes will they be here. To see the report or the receipts unfold the sun will come into existence. What politicians do. They put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Or some want. To go right to cross the sea like that before 3 in the morning cant be good. Im interested in the waters in the. City. Financial survival guide. 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Is a hugely pivotal day for the families and their faith for justice for 2 reasons the 1st one the court house and the rare move ordered that they should now take action on complete the report that was promised to all of the families the 2nd issue is the priest and the move the court has asked for the police to provide often even evidence compelling and setting a way they have not given any notes or records as to why this decision was taken the reality is this decision by the court is as irrational. Tame that justice was no longer delivered to the families of don and i just was done on the piece completed the support without any endless litigation. Almost 4 years since we started this case and. I of like just. Numbers. For the families to speak on emotional torture. Logical torture. And its near tame that. Enough is enough on the day of the. Hello again break into the Shuttle Program as youre watching around the world there because we got a big guest to talk to so we want to get it on screen to you soon as we could speak called a troll for journalism around the world and day 2 of judy the songes u. S. Extradition hearings got underway in london as we were reporting today the weeklies cofounders wanted america of course an espionage and hacking charges he could face a 125 years behind bars if found guilty in the United States after publishing classified Intelligence Data day one of the hearing lasted 6 hours yesterday here are some sketches from the court there filming inside his back and outside we showed you at length yesterday protesters gathering to supporters inside defense lawyers argued that the case was politically motivated while the prosecution though claimed whistleblowers actions endangered lives julian songes father says no its sons actions harmed no one of course thats up for argument at the moment no joining me until i did say is that we collected from chief christian how france and mr france and thank you i gather todays hearing must interrupt them because youre outside whats happened today and what you make of the arguments for julie songes extradition presented so far by the United States i said well im talking i can hear people shouting behind you. Their supporters are behind me yes and its hardly the people have been traveling from countries far away to support to support the underlying issue which is basically journalism freedom yesterday we heard a very shallow and hollow arguments from the u. S. That have since that yesterday afternoon and especially this morning been torn apart by the lawyers of julian of science they are basically presenting to the drugs that she has to take with the consideration that the extradition request is based on fabrication and they can easily be proved by publicly available information cheerio that is available to the other states. So the abuse here is that the English Court is being misled by americans they are trying to abuse the process of exhibition by mere fabrications. Have you got faith that justice will be done in the end there was a british co. Well faith in police corps so i will have to hesitate before i answer that i have no certainty of a good outcome here if it was only based on the facts and the merits of the arguments we are only here at lunchtime on day 2 of the trial which would take a long time my colleague just said earlier if this was a jury trial it would be over by now you couldnt go any further the arguments are strong so strong and overwhelming there was consideration in the publication of material to harm minimisation there was professionalism all the way through the hacking of the socalled hacking like this rachel has no ground and no merit at all will be shown with evidence and is already known. Through the the perseveration of lawyer this morning cetera etc there is absolutely no harm that has been proven although hyper claimed for 10 years without any proof whatsoever just talking about yesterday the 1st day this hearing the Guardian Newspaper quote alarming headline it says julie the sound was handcuffed 11 times stripped naked twice in this case files confiscated after the 1st day was accidentally hearing thats according to his lawyers do you know i think about that. This was the issue was raised this morning by julians lawyer and its really outrageous the fact of the matter whether the Court Building here is only around the corner and is joined by under the. Tunnel to the prison. What im. Earth can justify the fact of han coughing up person 11 times in the simple process of getting him from a to b. And then back and why strip sort of his time to time and what is most concerning how on earth can they take away his legal documents yesterday when he was back into the prison building the lawyers were raising this concern this morning to the judge who basically said well its not my its not my jurisdiction you have to complain to the home office or the prisoner forgery how can anybody have a fair trial when you succeed in this manner how can you prepare mentally for a trial when this is the way they are treating you this is a highly abusive i mean this is not the the thing that you see expect in a civilized country where children rights concerns are highlighted its simply unfair and uncivilized to behave in this manner mr have for certain and just take us through it we can show pictures of course from inside we can we show some sense some some sketches as per can you clarify youve been inside the yesterday and today have weve seen julian i guess therefore 1st hand whats his appearance like how is he. I saw in the prison about 1011 days ago i mean i know that hes in a stable condition but im not course he is not well that you can just imagine the the. What this does mentally to a person to have to be stripped of basically his freedom for almost a decade and in the last few months in in the marks of security prison here. Where everything was done to humiliate and make life unbearable for him. He has not have had a proper chance to come here for this trial to see and see what sort of history even the stream of those on the physical. Sort of this theyre saying that theyre worried theres a danger it could commit suicide are you worried about that. What was told you yesterday that a psychiatric violation would be presented to the court of labor states where it is steve that. Julian is suffering and thats the professional opinion that will be presented in details that if it is imminent that he will be extradited there is certainly a very high risk of suicide yes. Now just to clarify i mentioned i assume you may have been in the hearing the last 2 days you were and why is that. You i was very sorry to hear this its very noisy i was just assuming that youd been in the hearing for the last 2 days but you werent is that because youre not allowed to go in how does it work you say this think this whole process is going to go on for a long time what couldnt the public expect to be saying in the next couple of days. I have no idea what happened this morning but i would when i was trying to enter the Public Gallery i was called out for the group that was asking where is wiki leaks editor and i was told specifically that the court had. Decided that i would not be allowed into the Public Gallery under what. I had to go out so i was giving no ground and i was went to search for they had off the court here in the building the head of the office was not available so i went out and i made a statement it was treated. To white and retreated and within a couple of minutes i was approached and i was told that there had a misunderstanding had occurred and they actually apologized and i have demanded written the explanation of what occurred. And of solitude formal apology for what of what occurred just. But i havent heard of the exploits not a great start 2 days in as positive as you are going back to that but headline in the news bin hunk of 11 times stripped naked twice in his case files confiscated at the same time it was being reported his prosecution the prosecution lawyer james lewis said they didnt want to sons to be held in a condition or experience treatment that jeopardize his right to a fair hearing well going back to that headline again and going back to even the fact that you werent allowed in there on the only the 2nd day doesnt bode well. For saddam slaughter now you are your best shot that the conditions that the Court Hearing here are totally inadequate for a hearing of the officer importance there are only about 12 or 13 seats i will appeal to the public here in the Public Gallery when you take into account the seats that are located for his family members that there isnt a circle this is a this is not a. Hearing held in public the supporters of those who want to observe are held to a burqa outside the compound here in front of rick the Court Building for no apparent reason they are not allowed to close to the building. There are only limited suits for the press although theres an overflow room people have hearts of hearing peoples of people not using the microphones in the court of course the. Room itself so its just a rather rather difficult process when you think about the fact that this is being monitored from all over the world and all of the world interest whats going on here is to have for so we know youre busy but we saw gratefully take the time and to speak to us in fact weve broken our shared jewels and gone live with you maybe you can say for a minute or 2 more i just wanted to ask can you give us a description because cameras arent allowed in there what the atmosphere is like in there whats the room what does it feel like when you walk in the 6 felix. Dreamy heavy almost what it feel like. Well the output for that room is hard to sit in a Public Gallery on the 2nd floor behind a very thick glass julian is in the dock behind bulletproof glass he has indicated often that he has a hard time hearing whats going on in the room its a rather small courtroom and as i said very small space for the public a very small space for the media and this is. Somewhat not what i expected for a very important to hearing. Which ive explained here is that its important for everyone in the world if at the end of the day come may this all unravels goes wrong for your side do you think youd ever get a fair trial in the u. S. He will never get a fair trial in the u. S. But my primary concern is that well get a fair trial here to the u. K. And thats what i need to be inside the many observers that have come to to try to monitor whats going on here including human rights organizations including m. P. s from dribbly including the. Reporters from board borders where. Reporters without borders are rather than ever represented here etc its a court move and its important that the outcome here is just and its monitored and every abuse is highlighted on a day to day with a basis christine have for this and wiki leaks editor in chief thank you for coming live on r. T. International and telling us whats been happening there on the 2nd day and what youve. Been through already on this or i thank you for now. While adding their voices to get the sound is actually blocked is the family of a british teenager and he was killed in a Road Accident last august harry done this parents chipping in now theyre saying the u. S. 1st needs to hand over and sick kulis she is the woman says. That of killing this son she is the wife of an american diplomat and has admitted driving on the wrong side of the road that fateful day she fled the u. K. Shortly afterwards claiming diplomatic immunity now despite repeated strong requests from the British Government washington to this day says it will not agree to her extradition the dunns family lawyer accuses the u. S. Therefore of rank hypocrisy. Whilst america is. Protecting her harbor the person whos accused of killing her son they have no business calling pretty extradition anybody from the United Kingdom it is it is it is what theyre trying to find out where this is just discussed in congress the cases are completely different but the over the principle of reciprocity runs all extradition cases if the United States is going to revoke the extradition treaty between the u. S. As its done here then you know the United Kingdom needs to stand up to both countries need to abide by the extradition treaty so you know we are very clear working you know doing your best work you can go to lets. Make sure that the decision you know states that maybe its not actually thats a good start but we are in the middle of a diplomatic standoff its one of the darkest moments. In the u. S. U. K. The relationship