Foes and if anyone is in doubt of this i would refer them to how turkey aided easily missed separatist militants not just in chechnya but also in pakistan and in the shanty earth during the 99. 00 seas or so despite the handshakes and smiles between earth again and foods in turkey and russia are involved in a proxy war with each other today in syria similar to how soviet and american leaders would meet each other when their countries were involved in crosseyed wars with each other in viet nam and afghanistan now turning to elites turkey overstretched itself when it is both itself illegally in syria and its turning points in turkey in syria was when this hurt shot down a russian Fighter Aircraft at the end of 2015 because ever since then lusha has significant leverage over turkey when it comes to syria lets not forget that it was earth again who flew to set pieces but at the beginning of 2162. 00 made sweet crude. And sucrose fusilli apologized to putin for the shooting down of that russian aircraft why did earth again do that 1st because of the serious here russian sanctions yep that includes in place on the turkish economy but there was another raise that if you have a look in the immediate period after that search shot down that russian aircraft up until earth again flew to set pieces boats or apologize the codes in their offices pint in the amounts of turkish soldiers and Police Officers who were dying in combat we. The p. K. And pete k. K. And russia are traditional friends so i believe its across hoops to draw their own conclusions on that matter you know who they support say thats there a turkey in syria is at the mercy of russia we saw in greece and days how the. Straw purchase tanks and so. With one word of condemnations on ankara finally played so i would submit this to turkey has been left on its own in syria by American Society russia on its own similar to how the americans left the british and the french in egypt space the soviet union during the suit serious canal crisis you know the you know theres been some noise being made pompei was backing the turkeys claims and on goals all that but they havent really done anything yet and i doubt Donald Donald trump will pursue that as he so close to the his reelection bid here but Marcus Papadopoulos is is really right ever since russia was invited in to end the conflict in syria and this is essentially a conflict against terrorism to end terrorists and countries around the world that support terrorists turkey is one of them theres a lot at stake here is this again one of everyones bluffing games because if it is maybe it works at home it hasnt worked with the russians at all and i would even say the russian side is show enormous restraint in patients go ahead oh well i would say that this is just one more order against mistakes it was a mistake in the 1st place to go against syria he had a Good Relationship with with president us up until 2011 they went in together and let me remind you that this was one of the reasons why the walled kind of crease. To stay in power longer than any previous turkish Prime Minister he sportive see in the 2000 was good relations with all the neighbors you know even with armenia unfortunately he detour from the border later on and syria was the main disaster i think but i would add detail to work marcus has just said so the sequence of events in september 2015 Russian Air Force starts operate in in syria let me remind you that before that for 11 months the socalled coalition had been born being the socalled Islamic State isis and i just continue to expend some how well they didnt know what they did is they bombed the infrastructure of syria to create a failed state in the literal exactly that they didnt fight isis it was a very strange bomb being which somehow was a company and by strengthening all of the Islamic State after russia moved in in september 2015 these states started to shrink and now its almost nonexistent and caught but. In the end of 2050 in the darwinian over the russian plane saladino relations in some 2016 the failed coup attempt against aragon which is very mysterious i will not make any claims. After that somehow of mr erdogan is very distrustful of the United States and a lot more positive about russia even though the one we know relations started before that thats what makes this let me go back to marcus thats a this is what makes it really so such a murky situation here because everyone has got himself again in a situation hes boxed himself in because he doesnt want to lose face here and the russians. Lost in this last december negotiated a a dignified withdrawal to actually clean up the remnants of this of these terrorist cells in and he has broken his word again how do we get out of this quagmire without a major conflict marcus. Well let me just add to the previous comments by saying it wasnt in the interests of france to invade russia relates in trouble it was in the interests of napoleon if we take the Current Situation in syria it wasnt in the interests of turkey to invoke itself in syria but it is the interests of erdogan to vote so indeed in syria but where do we go from here well its very very clear that the syrian army is advancing rapidly in italy and backed by the Russian Military and also about spite the youre a new military it is almost over again streams over extending turkish influence into the middle east side he can hold off parts of syria is especially because the americans have told him in no Uncertain Terms that they are not going to come to his rescue so the turkish army is not go into engages in a military confrontation with Russian Military because it would be sort of it would be military suicide for it to do so so i think that serbs publicly are say that they will resist the socalled aggression of the Syrian Government and the syrian army but in private they will be saying very different words to the russians over again and now it needs a dignified literally its ok for a moment said marcus lee but as weve already been there weve already been in that situation the medina weve already been in that situation i mean what now is because like i said the new russia certainly doesnt want to get into into a major conflict with turkey since relations between the 2 countries have been pretty mentally over the last 3 or 4 years in russia will not get into the conflict for a very simple reason out of a what in a much better position to attack and basically occupy syria in 2012 or the western world will. Against syria mr sarkozy convened the so called friends of syria you know summit in which all the western countries took part you know those and 5 countries so if he didnt at that than or rather hes tried and they failed he knows hes going to feel now because it is just a small part all the syrian deputy of the government controls 90 percent of syria he is in the works but with a situation right now his real dilemma is this 2 things number one as the syrian army moves to regain control of all of exultant including the illegal occupation of the the americans there youre going to have these terrorist cells they only have one place to go north to turkey so he cultivated them protected them armed them money. But now when the game is over were they go theyre not going to surrender to assad and his forces theyre going to have one escape route where they came from. There is also im sorry and the civilians and ability dont forget about you know the libyan people already very unfortunate after their help run the western countries and establish democracy is that they need in this country and then theyre going to be you know their next misfortune is going to be their various comment to them you know basically are gone said that hes going to transport some of them to libya i think that will be a solution for him because these people are dangerous. But. Made a mistake on every step of the way but hes made a mistake was he was not resolute and often he is a position to the United States he took the decision why as 400. 00 missiles from russia will stay with it but you know and then we have south stream turks dream we have that very important always wants to. Eat it you know he always wants to paly russia against the United States and the west. Against russia and he always fails because the more than the west the stability tarion it doesnt forgive unfaithfulness he was unfaithful to them with us for hundreds theyre not going to forgive it you know theyre going to war after a few months hell down thats thats why the west is to tell you terry and now it doesnt think so russia understands its very well so if you look at the. Speeches of fortune about the situation in in egypt and in syria if you look at the statements from that foreign minister ok the Defense Ministry is pretty you know like defense of their military people they say that that there is a get a deal of support from turkey they are telling the truth why is their Foreign Ministry less you know more soft spoken we know that the west is not going to support him and he is going to block for some one time and then thats what hes good at here Marcus Papadopoulos thank you for joining in this part of the program were going to go to a short break now and after that short break well continue our discussion and some real nice staying. In a picture. Nuclear power become a battleground in the u. S. In vermont people have demanding the shut down of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because its a very dangerous oh no claire power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the power in this country wheres it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy as are powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways a struggle on r. T. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation community. Are you going the right way or are you being led so. What is true. Is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or a maybe in the shallows. The point is should we actually be charging for it because this is when we charge for things is because its been a benefit to the person whos bought it and thats the audiology took over education about 30 or 40 years ago but the perspective of education was originally that education is a benefit for saudi in general i wouldnt want to live in a saudi without doctors or in. News as to what happened without economists. Saying it of being a profit benefit and ignoring the public means that were ignoring that the skill bias we need for a Sophisticated Society and putting the burden of that skilled bices on the individuals and what were trying to do into it is just another trying institution of Higher Education become a form a version of a real estate scam that is not the bisons for a functional society. Welcome back to cross talk were all things to consider and im Peter Lavelle reminder were discussing some real news. And now were joined by alexander in london he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com alex welcome to the program here well we have the sequel of the russia gate lives on i thought it was in traction but no it has new life in its the same figure is in the swamp in the Intel Community that tells us its alive and kicking and that in the sequel as youve well notice Bernie Sanders is playing a very important if not leading role so in one way donald trump and Bernie Sanders have to share the stage in equal terms i have to say that i am a gassed by this i thought weve been through it enough times but it seems to be the only thing that keeps the political establishment in the media together on their war against donald trump limits what 250 odd days out for a general election president ial election go ahead alex. When it went what did they say you know history repeats itself the 1st time is tragedy the 2nd time is false now. As for the cry for the false because this is complete. The 1st sickle we now have both donald trump the leader of the right in the United States and bernies on the leader of the left in the United States and russia supposedly is helping and manipulating both its its so crazy that you know one wonders have people in the United States taken completely leave of their senses i mean it is it is on that level of total absurdity and consider we have the New York Times promoting the myth the russian help for trump we have the Washington Post promoting the myth of russian help from Bernie Sanders its the 2 newspapers and rec or the 2 big traditional newspapers that have been drawn out to to pull this sort of game now you know the other thing i have to say is you know never never give up apparently on a failed strategy it didnt work with donald trump so what do you do you try again and you actually expand it and im hearing that Bernie Sanders is doing very well in nevada yeah so its obvious youre ok with that well carry on but thats exactly where i want to go i just want it also stress agreement to our viewers again based on Anonymous Sources of course ok but this is all happening for a reason and ill give you my scenario here you had the conviction and sentencing of roger stone for for the pushers of people that support him back this Conspiracy Theory this ridiculous hoax they needed that conviction and so to to make to legitimize at least one of their one of them now and then we have the this week coming up we have the extradition trial of joint astonish being tied to. Tied to russia. And now we have this and against Bernie Sanders and the reason why theyre doing against Bernie Sanders because hes we mean hes we need yes you got more than 50 percent in nevada that isnt a standing outcome this is all connected together thats why the resurrecting it well. On live on thing that is war destructive than that or the Mainstream Media in the United States that is their law for the poor. Job i had done that now with joe biden is losing despite his huge Financial Support and the Media Support why they love him so much they kept him that he had nothing to do with police mark and finally tons of millions of americans want to know the name of that Ukrainian Company very well and i think it basically destroyed destroyed joe bidens complaint you know what. I meant back to what you just said well i think that. You know these complain about what he is involvement with russia is so absurd or only he can destroy his chances you know when he said my message to russia stay out of American Election well my message is dont be. You know dong the same theory is that stall your chance to be nominated in 2016 you know alex you know one of the things i find very interesting in looking at the coverage of this. Gay sions from these Anonymous Sources it seems to me theyre like living in a time capsule you know Bernie Sanders visited moscow on his honeymoon actually i think it was he came during the soviet knew there was a sister city thing i think it was moscow in a city in her in vermont i mean there was a reason for him to be here he happened to be having his honeymoon here at the same time but theyre trying to stress. Just out is it russia is if russia is still a communist country that theyre making this really weird connections and thats something that is you know upbeat 30 years ago but for the media its still the same narrative in it for in their minds because nothing is ever changed in the country ive lived in for 30 years it must be the same and the same bernie the same commie is now getting support from from from the primary i mean i mean it it shows a lot of a really lot of depth any lack of depth of knowledge go ahead while theres absolutely no knowledge i mean this is one of the things that came across from a very clearly throughout russia gate and right at the very center of the u. S. Intelligence Community World there is a basic failure of knowledge about russia now cannot you say russia is in some ways the victim in all of this because it is being constantly blames by the u. S. Political astonishment the militants center as i think somebody called it of the United States for whatever goes against you start bridgeman so if the left does well thats russias fault if the right does well thats russias fall and russia is constantly used in this way in american parties and struggles and the result is that russia gets sanctioned russia gets criticized its political leaders get demonized and the whole process prospect of improved relations between the United States and russia 2 extremely important countries russia the worlds other Great Nuclear superpower that that prospect gets indefinitely postponed and russian people ordinary russian people are constantly caught in the crossfire and we saw that with maria boo tina and we seen this again in italy where the russian. Athletes were friends just before they were due to involve themselves in an important race no question at all in my opinion all these things are connected in again these Anonymous Sources coming out of the Intel Community donald trump was supposed to drain the swamp hes being overwhelmed by the swamp to this day i mean this is again a continuation of the same strategy they had before the election after the election and its just being badly badly being reinvented well i mean if only russia had been just a victim of all of these are it completely agree with that xander that basically its its absurd i mean let me just call to a republican senator. Chris to it do you think trump against their creations that he is a russian agent i challenge any you want to give me a real world argument where abortion would rather have why it wouldnt would rather have President Trump and not burn you sound us mr stewart said in an interview citing trumps you know antitank weapons for ukraine and expended Russian Diplomats including arms control agreement and an arms control so these is the making of the world less and less safe you know if you want to be the president of the United States you have to show it to russia the 2nd next Nuclear Superpower so it just destroys security on our plane and the american political life is just is destroying security and not only american political life i completely agree with alexander that its not just american nationalists or hawks its the militant center you know you just mentioned. You know the European Press you know kind of feels obliged to pay at least a leap service to support and julian are such d. S. P. Get the liberal german magazine what is the headline. Trial trumps and mary is against the weekly leaks founder Julian Assange not just the american. Was a tramp who made a sound stay in their court or an embassy in london wasnt trump who imprisoned Bradley Manning and basically tortured him no it was their dora ball libral you know mr obama it was in the times when Hillary Clinton was the secretary of state but these people were the socalled liberals in europe and of the United States they want us have blacks sports and sports and all memory they want to destroy all of the things all the positive things connected to russia and they want to stressed all the negative things and they forget you know these girls and french and british liberals they forget that russia was the only country there to give political asylum to Edward Snowden none of them had the courage to press them liberals about me she here let me go back to oh xander you know one of the things i find really kind of comical never been able to understand is why would the kremlin have a preference either way i mean because its just going to be more hostility it doesnt make any difference and i find it just really comical that you know theyre there scheming about supporting the side maybe you support both of them against each other i mean this is an assumption that is the every given any kind of serious part go ahead alexander or the other right because it was interesting to have a preference it understands perfectly well that is actually disastrous for russia to interfere in american politics and thats why one important reason by the way why how i have always been extremely skeptical about the whole russia get Conspiracy Theory which by which after multiple investigations has proved to be well you know lou the evidence for it has. Fred baer and i usually congested so why wont the russians trolly and manipulate the american electoral process when the only result has been that relations between the United States get worse and just get one of us so why would they do it im sure theyre not doing it and im sure that all of this is purely a product of american politics and politics which unfortunately have now resulted in a situation where if the establishment candidate loses be a joke bowing to. The it might bloomberg its always the fault of the russians is never the American People exercising their own time well the the the problem is that the political elites in the United States abhorred democracy and they have contempt for the voter its all the time we have many thanks and i guess here moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember. 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