This is the 1st and they think thing about it kind of forced us to acknowledge its you know we couldnt ignore him. Hes an idealist hes on a mission hes on a mission to harm. People with information. To use recently. But this comes with the prime. Loan isnt being charitable hes made while he was in the Ecuadorian Embassy for 8 years 7 or 8 in. A long time hes spending in the prisons basically and that now hes being fair many months in the present. There are a lot of people who dont want him in prison a lot of the very powerful this department is conducting a thorough aggressive investigation to determine how this leak occurred to identify the person or persons responsible. Person. And i think thats what hes facing is trying to match the old village lights and well wait stateside. Yes hobby any reason to suggest that hes trying to expose the crimes that. The. I dont think you can really understand Julian Assange. Or wiki leaks without seeing an aspect of his life that formed him and that was absolutely here in melbourne and it formed him not only in terms of his ideas. His personality his expertise but also his conceptual thinking about forming software projects including wiki. So melbourne in the late eightys and early ninetys became the center of the a strain underground which included hers and experimenters and also theres not just in the sense of people who broke into things illegally but also people who just experimented with. It didnt take long for australias Hacking Community to embrace the young. Teenagers they spent most of their time online but did occasionally venture out and when they did. This square in central melbourne. This is the Historic Town hall and it was the site along with some other Historic Town halls in melbourne. And other members of that Technology Community were here in their late teens and early twentys stopping for computer bits and exchanging ideas and information about how to experiment with hardware and software. On this. Computer. Memory understanding. I didnt. Just write that he would be for a short time. One of the worlds most. Its very interesting the hacker mentality from this time period they wanted the thrill of getting into the system that was taboo. And the more procedures the in the institution the more thrilled they got so if they could break into now such. Things were the smartest people stay with people who had put man on the moon really if you could break into their systems then you could prove to yourself youre a 17 year old boy you 2 are very smart. The u. S. Space agency nasa is one of the victims of the melbourne computer Hacking Syndicate american investigators including the f. B. I. Contacted a strain authorities with a suspicions. With a 16989. 00 nasa was attacked by what was known as the way virus that caused a Space Shuttle launch in florida to be postponed and was traced to australian hackers in melbourne the way was one of the 1st ever worms that had been written and it was certainly the 1st politically motivated wireman that carried a political message that message was a quote from the Midnight Oil Song and that quote was you talk of times of peace for all and then prepare for war. This thing that was the way. It emerged from a sort of deep dark. Forest you got a glimpse of it and then disappeared again and the authors have never been found although some see this might be one of jewel in a songes dealings. People have lots of different views on these things. Julian was very lucky growing up in that although he grew up in a fairly poor family canonically it was very rich intellectually. Julians father is a very clever and creative person and quite sensitive i think hes been enormously important to julias development as a young adult. As a young man joanne was. A daughter actually. Nick and i were wizard because they were always very hard to come up with a near approach to things your way of looking at things. What a number of top person have said to me is that. They get a different perspective on the world from the systems theyve been in and thats because they are able to see the actual information these are. Directly contradicting what an organization may say publicly or someone a politician may say publicly they understand that the public is being told something that is just not just a little lie often its a very big lie that helped maybe develop enjoins mind. The super importance of Media Organizations being able to report accurately on information. And result my players from harvard cup. And im sure to. Fastened 6 or Something Like that quite early on then youre right and julian said. Id like to start and we can. Learn this week he would concern and so would leak. And we would use the total as an anonymous from people who wanted to really information and that information. Did you try to warn him about anything at that time. No one would you and young man on the cusp of life you dont care warnings to say well how can i help. What ive always taken natures aphorism. To hide leave diners for me. To leave dangerous we dont creep around place being frightened of shadows. Do what you have to do and then face the consequences and best you can. Thats me my god i owe my life. To see. You. Not. To see. 60 or 2560. That we had burst out the oppositions so. I 1st heard about with nukes and you know aside. From the helicopter footage in iraq the famous for she was where we saw. The helicopter shoot people on the ground. But of all of your average come on. The Helicopter Shot up some civilians and in the process shot to voice is just to local forces jones and they also shot up some children in a car. Bomb around the area. Or even more. American military personnel misidentified civilians as rebels. From overhead and it looked as though one of the men had a gun. But it was just a reuters camera man holding a long. Did they saw the collateral but mortar b. T. O. Said he as we know for get. The forget because they escape it was what the 1st time as i was screaming loud at my own feast this slowly or sour us with dissed emotional detachment as they were playing video games and me with the lives of people in in such a cool way. Here is actual shocking video footage fact irrefutable evidence of what happened and what has been described to me by one retired military person actually here in australia as undoubtedly a war crime and wanted we often have one. Day off to the shooting of july 13th 2007 u. S. Military commanders justified the attack claiming that its troops had been in battle with Hostile Forces guy that might serve over. Approaching a big nobody. But 2 children well that they were in a van when their father approached the side of the shooting to help thomas horn we have individuals going. To monitor. Where and. Thats whats really fascinating for me was when i saw an interview with an american soldier who was there on that spot after they. Killed them and shot them then it was the young. Army officer who went to the man and discovered there were 2 children there that will wounded he said the little girl couldnt blink because her eyes were full of grass and he tried to produce the cross from our eyes when he spoke to his supervisor and wanted to take her to a decent hospital he was told wash out you know for john up. For the 1st time we understood. The civilian casualties the innocent people who were killed in both afghanistan and iraq and this was all kept from the public. Doing sun she showed real bravery in being willing to publish frankly and fearlessly that is idio and i think that there are people within the u. S. Military who have never forgiven him for it. That helicopter attack resulted in 12 deaths 2 children were wounded no one from the American Military has ever been held accountable. When i was. Going to give that money to a child even the elderly i mean. This whole business about blaming russia by america is getting really pathetic because heres a guy whos effectively trying to d. C. Humanize whole group of people slavic people in this case this is remarkably ironic coming from white bike. In the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of Northern Ireland that was coordinated loyalists attacks particularly catholic population in belfast tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was that the or you see the Police Actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of full streets in belfast at the take more than a 100 innocent civilians were unloaded as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and of the crates which the collusion was involved in some of those cases that killers would lead to be named into the now and were getting i think it went to the very very top i think it the process the water where all the patients you thought was going on and. Give the go ahead. To 2 months ago most of them and their website. Here is original and its annoying for leaving soon as the only analyst on credible revelation on the winning one side she and sloan soon to move on to the center of the union this is after collateral mother Julian Assange revealed his identity and was known i mean it was front page news all over the world at that point. Only to Julian Assange to become a halt global topic but hed found a way to publish classified information and made it available to anyone who wanted to share as someone elses secrets the idea of developing an anonymous digital dropbox and applying it to a Media Organization that is wiki leaks that was the 1st people hadnt really done that before that was that was Julian Assange. It enabled the whistleblower who were at low cost with just the right couldnt d. V. D. And they use of the right tools to anonymously. Blow the whistle by transmitting like large amounts of data. The day we release over 287. Documenting the reality of an International Mass surveillance industry. Who here has an eye for. Movie and has a point barrier. He uses g. Mail. Well youre all screwed. What is this place and where were all those files actually kept. In the cloud its somewhere. Julian magically brought together. Computers digitalized and information and put before the public. When someone called you know songs knocked on the door of the Frontline Club i was quite pleased to see him i was quite keen that we would have somebody who was making the news. My names form smith im a journalist. But more i run something called the Frontline Club which i founded which is a press club and. It all happened in this room i mean julian literally turned off and knocked on the door and literally on the announce he knocks on the door 2 days before that press conference saying i want a press conference on Julian Assange quite literally and so we arrange the press conference for him and it was on a monday morning he was standing here. He was up here and we had a podium we had that podium and we had it here and he was standing here and its from this position he raised up the guardian front page. And you know thats when the whole thing started so this is the guardian from this morning 40 to 40 pages about this topic. Also karzai in the spiegel 70 pages. Just a couple of months after the video of the baghdad helicopter attack against civilians was published yet more revelations appeared this time it was the afghanistan and iraq dossier as. The afghanistan and iraq goes he goes classified pentagon files on u. S. And allied military activity in afghanistan and iraq from 2004 to 2009. These were logs that were written by members of the military who might be out at the for. Tore patrolling an area and might be thinking 16 or something they experienced on their shift or patrol so it was almost a sort of. A very detailed war diary. By the americans and the british but it didnt occur to me that it could be so informative. Because it was a huge data sets 400000 classified reports field reports part of the u. S. Army this is the most accurate description all told it is it was being released into storage and we have counted now 120000 sunni triangle teams in the war is nearly no Street Corner in baghdad that didnt have a body that fell into being killed 3 violence in one form or another. What we found out from the iraq and afghanistan dosia is the u. S. And its allies allegedly under reported civilian casualties prisoners of war was subjected to violent acts of torture at the u. S. Military personnel who were reportedly involved in child prostitution. And you have published this publishing secret and the government starts losing control of the narrative that had a narrative in iraq and no civilian did. And then they lost control of that narrative because we found out the truth. Thats the power of we hear a the battlefield consequences of the release of these documents are potentially severe and dangerous for our troops our allies and the afghan partners and may well damage our relationships and reputation in that key part of the war of the one of the main criticisms is being leveled at you is that you have publicists the village is that the names and some cases the jeep. Yes coordinates of people afghans who cooperated with the u. S. Military and a u. S. Official has called it a potential hit list for the taliban whats your response to that there was appears to mostly be a paedophile ring where were looking at the issue seriously to see whether that is true you approached the white house to austin for assistance in reviewing the churl before we published the white house in order except that request they always say oh they have blood on their hands and they get people in danger but i think if anyone would have been killed because they would have directed the person in front of the camera all proved it taken against them sold i think its just a blatant lie is it possible that the 1st tranche of dollars have from the afghan war logs could have been better redacted yes quite probably they could have been better protected had anyone ever done this before no there was no road back. I mean killing a soldier wiki leaks they were bushwhacking through a thick forest to try and figure out how to do this. The afghanistan and iraq dont see just what the biggest leak they have a plan shown along the tone of war crimes allegedly perpetrated by the u. S. Can be generalized. No one from americas military has ever been held accountable. And. A little bit over 10 years ago i was contacted by. A person. Who i didnt know at that point environmental. Wanted to meet with me and they met a. Person who spoke with a very strong australian accent and he told me that they had a Problem Program if it wanted to do a project. Where we met. My in the. Feeling was there. This was. Completely outlandish but there was nothing to it so we parted way but we kept contact and a little bit later. Came the publications of the collateral murder video where you can see helicopter gun down thats a u. S. Helicopter in iraq gunning down reuters journalists on an open street and soon i realized that he was serious about isnt ever. Julian assange invited yohannes to work with him on a new collection of classified documents that had fallen into wiki leaks hands. This time correspondence from the United States diplomatic service. To the diplomatic cables. That we can leaks published a little bit later they were a set of internal briefings if you put it this way or analysis. That all of the american diplomats. Wrote and delivered back to the state department. Leaked u. S. Diplomatic cables published on november the 28th 2010 it contains u. S. Diplomatic correspondents from 966. 00 to 2010 and includes 100000 documents marked confidential and 15000. 00 marked secret. You have to understand the scale of this release of information so if we took these cables and we printed them out into end they would go betweens in petersburg and moscow it is that much material i can give you. A simple example of what was interest in those cables in regard to sweden because i worked with the materials that were related in these documents we could see here and thats which politicians of them come to the u. S. Ambassador and they ask for services for the services they would. For would be. We have a problem with the swedish Public Opinion they would say and the swedish Public Opinion doesnt like the war in afghanistan and they dont want us to participate in the war its going to stop could you please help us there by inviting in some afghani women here to sweden and well put them on the swedish t. V. So they can talk about the good things that were doing there southern to europe we found out that. Swedish politicians and swedish sure Public Servants there is cutting the way that would be democracy is supposed to function and theyre doing that together with them with us diplomats contrary to the interests of the swedish people one of the hopeful things that ive discovered. Is that really every role that is thought of. As being a result of. Media on it what does that mean. That means basically populations by michael. And populations have to be fooled and will. Be. Treated as an enemy combatant which really should be closed down permanently and decisively designed to reduce any broken every little unit big leagues was like a hotel the things that are. Going on in the service its not that its open up in the middle of it good elysia. Julian was at his height of popularity when sweden. Vats he attracted. A most ladies. Its understandable that he would be attractive to young men and hes. A young man and she said his mission is very. And then noble noble ambition. So that made him even more attractive. To. Join me every thursday on the alex im unsure when ill be speaking to get us to the world of politics sport this list im showbusiness ill see that. One almost show seemed wrong all right old old just dont hold. Me to old yet to shape out of disdain you can stick up to it and in games from it because betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Today. Storage. Is here. Waiting to be breached. Turkish airlines. In the headlines this friday afternoon as turkish but militants exchanged fire in washington looks to dump clamp down on damascus back at despite admitting theres a massive shock on its hands against terrorists in the region during the late. Autumn protests between locals and police in ukraine over the coronavirus a lot of worry people there for the Team Nationals were to in hollywood from china. A trial that threatens the fundamentals of journalism its been described as a Media Freedom group says that the industrys future is at stake as wiki leaks founder Julian Assange prepares for his possible extradition to the United States