Spying including on e. U. Leaders we have people in new york and london where the china will be us the biggest surveillance threat. Probably to us probably us anybody having. Access to a. Good afternoon and welcome this is our international. From the start this hour with breaking news the turkish president has announced that the start of a military operation in the syrian province of idlib is quote a matter of time. One added hes been dissatisfied by talks with russia on the situation in the area. And thats all my do with your problem turkey has made all kinds of preparations to implement its operational demands and as in every operational you see we can come suddenly one way to put it more clearly islam is now a matter of time. We will not leave. Iraq that still does not understand our countrys determination in this matter and to those who encourage it we never intend to shoulder the burden that the developments of this region roofless on our country. Clashes between the Syrian Government and armed groups occupying the province of been going on for months now moscow says turkey has failed to separate the moderate opposition from terrorists in the area put it shows a Turkish Military convoy crossing the Syrian Border a large convoy of tanks Armored Vehicles and supply trucks are reportedly moving towards the outskirts of. Financial joins me in the studio youve been covering this for us. Military action looking sort of pretty imminent and that sort of threat struck promise for murder one there whats the russian reaction been to that while russias reaction remains very clear Turkish Military operation on the syrian soil in this case in the countrys Northern Province of elian would be the worst Case Scenario we heard that earlier on wednesday from the president s spokesperson demetrius coffin russias foreign minister Sergey Lavrov already commented on at the gun state lets take a listen. Friends of failed to separate militants from terrorists in the timeframe on the 2018 agreement at the same time provocations from the zone the syrian civilians and the russian. Thats really the Syrian Forces reaffirming the. Original it was remiss including going to respond to such an extent this investigation is and we support them in this. So turkey as you can see and hear from mr the gun is not happy with syrian Army Activity in the count of terry smith to vittie that more skillful the supporters and we hear from mr lover of that this is nothing but a reaction to terrorist activity in that region and it has been turkish responsibility to separate moderate opposition and ankara backed armed forces based in the from terrorist to make this Counter Terrorism operation easier and to. Minimalize this violence in that region something that hasnt been clearly done by very well so its in the europe mr lubbers is not saying it directly but we understand that he has advisories for turkey instead of accusing damascus and most right now turkey better mind its own commitment. So we have Turkey Russia or other parties brokered this agreement a few months ago seemed like a promise pretty much on the same page and now it feels like. Kind of pushing the boundaries of what theyve agreed to how surprising is that no ones taking this no surprise at all lets be honest it has been just a matter of time to hear from turkish leader that the Turkish Operation even is the matter of time here we go we heard that and they have been in the last days several signals heard from different turkish politicians you know Different Levels indicating the rise in turkish disservice. Faction of how things develop in the region and actually its not for the free style in that we hear that from mr emberg on despite numerous talks between russian and take your side including. Between foreign and defense ministers of both countries saying heres mr out of the gun just recently actually sending the same message. The Syrian Regime as well as Russian Forces and the iranian backed militants. Are continuously attacking civilians. Causing blood chunder. And very interesting and important for me i believe to stress is that mr evra guns criticism and accusations toward was coined sided ironically with a dramatic shift in and current washington relations with the mr pompei are openly backing turkey and saying that america is ready to stand behind a nato ally and sanctions lifted and all that warm in between the 2 countries of the tectonic plates of International Relations a shift. Again made it clear hes not happy with the situation in what exactly is going on there right now i can say that damascus is happy with the situation and it will if the situation there remains very dramatic terrorist activities very high terrorist attacks continue every day people are dying in clude ing civilians you have to remember that this is a very vast region of the province of even if its home to up to 3000000 people of course its hard to say exactly how many people still leave their civilians are among them and they are very often used by terry says human shield and actions needed to protect this people to save this people to to return peace to that region and this is what moscow and damascus damascus with most coups help trying to achieve. And of course it will be much easier to do with an chorus out but now we hear mr ever gotten that hes almost ready to Start Operation against syrian army so that sounds kind of like counterprotests counter productive in this case is not hes not helping anyone not helping in damascus you know finish terrorists in that region rather doing the opposite in many things with the latest on a developing story. With the saudi hosts she returns to discuss the issue with the syrian president s media. Vies of us who trying to show bond on the latest episode of going underground unsponsored the blame for the Current Situation lies with the turkish president. Turkey apparently killed 51 syrian soldiers last week more soldiers on valentines day whats your message to turkey which of course under article 5 is protected by nato i didnt say it didnt keep it out of the chair do gun because there are neighbors who are dead fish people but i would tell you that the gun was spared all this terrorist war that has taken place in syria without. Without him as allowing all these terrorist to grasp the borders it would have been impossible to make all these terrorists come to syria and now that he has failed in syria hes moving his terrorist war into libya i think that a dog down is a very dangerous man because of 2 factors 1st is that he thinks he will restore the autumn on empire and 2nd because he is a muslim brother and hes feeding Muslim Brotherhood not only in the middle east but also in europe and in asia and i mean what he can. Really and m. P. s have called on the u. K. Government to stop Julian Assange shes extradition to the United States they visited the Australian Citizen in the london prison where hes being held ahead of an extradition hearing. Hes beyond belief that someone who is a bright and overnight so bright. Should be rewarded by facing extradition and cementing counsel b. S. P. Nudge in one town called computer had. Very crucial. For the show. Very concerned that the body of a few strong government. One of the lawmakers still christensen told us about the wiki leaks founder is deteriorating condition. Spike in this wake with professor nils melzer the un special rapporteur on torture. Come to the opinion along with a number of medical experts that Julian Assange was exhibiting the symptoms of psychological torture visited Julian Assange. And are going to side theres nothing that i saw or that actually. Discredited what those doctors and what mills moles of said he is exhibiting saw ends of disorientation. He did tell us about being kept in severe isolation and ongoing loss a large negative side technically within belmarsh prison the conditions of the subject to apparently. But when you kept by yourself a 20 to 22 as a die with that minimal human contact youre effectively oss alloted so all of that has led to i guess at the plated state of health for julian a songe and i dont think its fair atoll to extradite an Australian Citizen. At of one foreign country into another foreign country to face charges for what for reporting on the facts. Well that says doctors around the world also condemned the u. K. Handling of the case warning the sons is being subjected to psychological torture in jail more than 100. 00 medics signed a joint letter urging authorities to take action but also called on the Australian Government to intervene to protect its citizen it is the 4th such letter from doctors in the Guardian Newspaper has published a feature article on plans to tackle media repression penned by the u. K. Government send for you on press freedom amar clooney our one detail was left out clean these links to Julian Assange arguably the most high profile media repression case in the world today clooney proposed to sanction all those who take part in jailing journalists for their work including ministers and prosecutors but says nothing about the fact that no such action is being prepared over the treatment of the wiki leaks founder the article did not even mention that clooney was actually a songes lawyer in the 2015 swedish extradition proceedings against him and many have been angered by the guardians convene intermission congratulations are in order to the guardians Patrick Wintour whos managed to write a whole article on global media suppression without mentioning the phrase Julian Assange the Foreign Office will no doubt continue to be delighted the u. K. Currently has Julian Assange is locked up at the behest of the us because he exposed war crimes the guardian publishes an article on press freedom failing to mention this unbelievably and unforgivably no mention of julian assigned. Journalist the book as the new client believes that his sons case is too shameful for the u. K. Government to bring up. Went to the journalist apparently apparently not 100 percent sure but apparently didnt see the need to actually braise the is the case of the most famous persecuted journalist in this interview about the persecution of journalists its a massive elephant in the room its quite extraordinary how anybody could write an article about the persecution of journalists without mentioning. A search for the establishment this whole case now is a big embarrassment if youre in a staunch its either someone who could be attacked or to be ignored is a place to be ignored a way to get talking about it in this context press the persecution of journalists is another person is another person you know journalists being persecuted oh lets talk about other countries official enemy countries that thats fine but not what we actually got the guy just a few miles away down the road from us back at the jail for doing journalism. And lets get back to our breaking news story this hour the turkish president has announced that the start of a military operation in the syrian province of idlib is quote a matter of time lets go live to mark almond doctor of the u. K. s Crisis Research institute in oxford good afternoon mark so russia has said that turkey attacking Syrian Army Positions is a worst Case Scenario what do you think they mean by that what could the consequences be if it was to happen. Well it could draw russia and turkey into a war because the Russian Force is on the side of the syrians in combating the local rebels and turkey you could intervene would clearly be taking sides of the rebels and in order to do that you would have to provide protection for its forces from the air would have to use its own or force its own interprete missiles which would put at risk russian airplanes we will be back if you like to the crisis situation of 2015 when the turks shot down a russian aircraft. So its potentially very dangerous situation even if we dont go that far thats the worst case even if we just get to a case where the Turkish Forces increase or a true bombardment of the syrians the situation on the ground which is often discussed as a humanitarian crisis will get worse for the refugees because ill be trapped between 2 lines of fire rather than just one so. Very very messy situation and i think president of the worms rather capricious personality is really the unknown factor is he just barking or would he bite and if hes going to bite then the risk of things spiralling out of control is really the. Just to what extent do you think this is posturing by bearing in mind that you have russia and turkey that come to an agreement just a matter of a few months ago relationships have been up and down but at the same time as is making this threat theyre the ones also mentioning the possibility of sitting down for more talks or serious thinking really is your. Well there is a chance that there could be a summit meeting between the 2 president s and putin and that something can be worked out. When hes under pressure domestically yesterday the courts released some of his critics and he had to he had them rearrested hes also got a serious economic problem so to some extent a kind of Foreign Policy blow up even if it doesnt actually lead to fighting is a good way of distracting Public Opinion in rallying people behind the president and maybe under the cover of that he and president putin can return to this situation which was not entirely satisfactory but it was a great deal better than conflict which was the arrangement which had been running for the last few months. In terms of International Reaction do you anticipate any and indeed does anyone have a vested interest here if there was some mention perhaps that turkey u. S. Relations a are on the up at the moment. Well that that is certainly would be the case unfortunately the worst relations are between turkey and russia the better they will be with the United States the problem for turkey as a country is that it is next door to this terrible civil conflict there are large numbers of people who are threatening on friday to break through the turkish frontier and try to escape into turkey in order to force the turks to send them on to your so theres a risk for the europeans that we will see a renewed exodus of hundreds of thousands possibly a 1000000 or more people via turkey quite soon and so that doesnt really affect the United States very few refugees get to the states but they were the problem that the balkan route to europe for mass migration could be reopened with all the political consequences that we saw in germany austriahungary all of that is bubbling away in the background too so this is a situation its not just a turkish russian turkish syrian issue it could draw in the European Countries the neighbors and as i say the only country that is relatively immune to the consequences is the United States but whether its wise of the United States to create a crisis for its allies as well as for its rivals im not so sure what you make of the kremlin. Claim that it hasnt been fulfilling its agreements on syria. Well the problem for for both moscow and anchor is that they have allies who have minds of their own but particularly if we just take the turkish side they are effectively protecting radical Islamic Terrorist Groups the hardys who are operating anywhere else in the world would be thoroughly condemned by the western states but because theyre against assad theyve been given a kind of blank check and the turks have undoubtedly facilitated arming their resupply and also to some extent their recruiting and moving of people around some of them of course have been sent from turkey to libya another ball in crisis. And so the turks have not kept their agreements 100 percent by any means the question is whether a as it were a leaky agreement is better than no agreement at all and i think probably or most hope that that will be the conclusion. Mark really appreciate you coming on thanks for your analysis my guest mark allman director of the Crisis Research institute in oxford. Now u. S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi travels to brussels to raise the stakes against china will bring you that story after this break. Join me every thursday. And ill be speaking to. Im sure ill see you then. On a trip to brussels the u. S. House of representatives speaker house wound is against the wall way nancy pelosi insists the chinese corporations are a major threat to security and should be barred from developing 5 g. Telecom networks in europe the police he mentioned nothing about before more wide scale and proven u. S. Global survey lives not work more but has details. Now that the impeachment debacle is all wrapped up guess whos going to europe in order to promote one of the trumpet ministrations key policies its the speech ripper herself nancy pelosi the speaker of the u. S. House of representatives is urging European Countries to drop plans to use while away as their 5 g. Carrier with the benefit of a few corporations you cannot sell the privacy of the people of your country down the river as i said before its like having the state police write the Chinese State police right in your pocket you see nancy pelosi just cares about your privacy are that shes one of what Edward Snowden called the gang of 8 key figures that are overseeing surveillance in the United States is for snowden he did in the disagreement with you he did violate the law in terms. Of releasing those documents we dont know. Any. Odd timing as well its just been revealed that the cia was the secret owner of a Swiss Company that was offering people encrypt peoples privacy was compromised because the cia had a backdoor what the u. S. Government speculates that china might be doing they have been caught doing themselves while the e. U. Might be more apt to listen to a top democrat then to the donald it seems they still arent buying nancys song and dance her euro 2 were is a flop. Well he will be able to continue in crimes and will not be excluded from flying but we will send such numbers destructions to texas to see so we decided to ask people what they think of this supposed danger of china spying on them are they more afraid of china spying on them or the american probably the us and im not so much worried about china im worried about anybody who had a having access to our data i think they be more. Ready to spy on you to the chinese it could come from anywhere in the world to us. Again you would think its just the us given say the alignment of interests from over the us probably you know what the us as far as im concerned. Can go to hell dont know trump along with its a common pattern of Human BehaviorSigmund Freud called it for objection nothing drives us crazy or thinking that someone else might be doing that naughty thing that we know we are doing ourselves a little up and artsy new york. These boom bust programs spoke to a usa and. The us has been spying on the willed full years not least while way itself you can watch the full interview on t. Dot com heres a preview. Was interesting the u. S. Government says that they declassified the information so we welcome the opportunity to see what the evidence is but we really have to look at this in the broader context of the ongoing geo political dynamic between the u. S. And china the u. S. Has some major issues with china and right now the u. S. Wants to hurt china so badly that theyre going to hurt america in trying to her way and thats really a shame you look back some years ago when i brought snowden revealed information about the u. S. Program prism and about the 5 Year Campaign of the u. S. Government to spy on operation shop giant where they monitored all while why not work for 5 years and could not find any Improper Communications and in the Prison Program they found that the u. S. Government used for example cisco equipment to spy around the world most recently the Washington Post crypto a g a Swiss Company that turned out is controlled by the cia so theyve been monitoring encrypted communications of all the countries in the world except for china and russia so the fact is it is important to recognize the role of the equipment vendors and the telecom and mobile operators there is a lawful backdoor by the telecom the mobile operators that is triggered by law. For action by governments such as the Us Government of china government we dont have that access we dont control that data. In other news around the World Security forces in iraq have stepped up their crackdown on mass protests. I. Used tear gas to force thousands of people from the Central Square in baghdad iraqs been gripped by mass unrest over government corruption since october demonstrations of continue despite the resignation of prime minister. I hundreds of homes of imploded in the u. S. State of mississippi after to wrench will rain these are the latest pictures from the city of ridgeland all classes are predicting there will be further down bulls thirtys in the state capital jackson averred under the residence not to return home until they get the all clear. And more passengers of the gun departing a coronavirus hit cruise ship mord off the coast of japan after 14 days of court and hundreds of passengers and crew have been infected on the diamond princess in the biggest cluster outside china have now been more than 70000 confirmed cases of the outbreak worldwide. 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