We talking about because the viewpoint in europe is going to be very different from the viewpoint of the u. S. Which will again be different from the viewpoint and elsewhere and there are different regulations in 8 country g. D. P. I here in the u. K. We have a new privacy regulation in california that possibly will be federal regulation the u. S. To come and then there are other countries developing their own groups and regulations and when it comes to look at online homes who defines what is harmful because if we were sitting in the middle east it would be hardly uncommon for there to be critical comments about judaism but they would take a great offense at any critical comments about islam or the carone it is very much the viewpoint of the eye of the beholder and who gets to set these rules its going to be a very difficult question. Thats all for this hour news wise but if youre looking for more head on over to our website r. T. Dot com for an endless number of articles an interview is entertaining at. You know our face you. Know kind of good intentions of architecture or. Maybe even 40 years ago there are simply evaporated thats a kind of personal. Hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle in munich and World Leaders discuss west listeners instead they should be contemplating the end of neo liberalism also stone cold justice is there a dual Justice System in america. Talking some real news im joined by my guest here in moscow glenn these and he is a professor at the Higher School of economics as well as author of that ok of western civilization and resurgence of brusha we also have Dmitri Bobbitt she is a political analyst and editor at me internet media project and in athens were joined by alex reporter hes the director and writer for the duran dot com or across the uk rules in effect that means you can jump in there when you want and i always appreciate it lets talk about munich the the annual security conference there every year something very interesting comes out western media doesnt really cover it very much and if they do they dont do it very well. A term i came across would never come across as west ness what does that mean being a european. Referring to the minister all of the west so it comes from 2 reasons one is within the west its fragmenting and becoming more divided and of course then you have the external challenges. Spy new powers rising taking away the privacy of the west so again this is. This is what i mean is it is we looking at it in binary of values in power i think its i think its both because when the west exit of the cold war it will all segments and powerful the main reason is not just material wealth but also how the moral purpose it had a mission that was liberalism had won they were going to spread this around the world essentially. Thing is to remake the world around the west so that again this is also what us define the west which is why its now youre running into some problems because if this is not the mission of the west or what is the west coast we see now the material wealth is going but also this. You know taking liberalism to the extreme is now proving to have a very bad effects both internally within the west but also creating very bad relations with external powers and they dont seem to connect that these 2 are very much related. And where that where the causes are limited to alexander and how things are in one of the things i find quite fascinating in running up to this security conference in munich is that in this term west listeners its should be a criticism of neo liberalism thats whats destroying the west and thats what is threatening the world i mean the lack of reflection on the part of these people its just a step out of me they are the problem and once theyre fixed then then europe can actually find its own footing its own identity instead of having it forced down its throat her rhythmic ideology that people are protesting left and right and Center Briggs that is the best example go ahead. You know their problem is russia isnt it peter russia to. Listen this is yeah and china now as well but west listeners is what the west is doing to itself youre exactly right i mean west listeners its this neo liberal policy that weve all been living under its the Mass Immigration its the destruction of religion that structure of family the censorship the woke the identity politics this is all coming from the neo liberal west west listening is the neo liberal west destroying itself but like you said peter its russias fault its chinas fault everyone elses fault thats whats this this is what theyre doing to themselves theyre theyre destroying their own society that they have built and theyre doing it in an incredible unbelievable fashion you know and what i find really in standing you know alice cooper used the word woke and woke me is here but you know theres no risk reflection on the part of these elites and say much of the world would like to have traditional western values in their own lives and mostly ok they strive for it and the west is actually committing. A form of political and cultural suicide i think its the rest of the world envied what would be traditional European Values explain it to him and doing that all the personal level i mean who is concerned the war without the west german president you know. Well let me remind you of that day it was mr supposed to guarantee they greenman to between the ukrainian opposition and president on that point if the february 2014 and that position just one that had an old kid in policeman burning their. Body. In ukraine and we stitch time i didnt say why. Worked people from their position basically breaching this agreement and then in 2 years mr porter goss said we just lost these documents that mr bush started margherita you to come find it then you were in my in my office so and this man is now a bad enough so that you asked china and russia ill make it was more dangerous and hes saying that we just called it germany is prepared to become more involved including militarily when they read it my 1st reaction wasnt gonna 9 donc it north militarily please you know you already bought in of all military units yugoslavia for the 1st time since 945 german soldiers were on the foreign oil in yugoslavia in 1999 you were you got involved in afghanistan militarily stalled do if you know what we need is the last of you would not war over you if i had a question you really want to jump in so were going to go i dont. Want to go just walk us because thats an important aspect because the problem now under this new law a new liberal policy is the reason its destroying the west its also alecs of them a point to others because neither the political left or the right can do what they want their actual political objectives are on the left they want to redistribute wealth on the right they want to preserve traditional values and reproduce community however what people now notice after 30 years theyre starting to realise well why do we have this growing economic inequality also why all this Mass Immigration we cant reproduce traditional communities why do we have to have multiculturalism why come to unite under Common National culture but now theyre noticing if you wont like how did this political system coming place who authorized it and now that theyre trying to complain theyre actually told well how dare you if youre challenging our core liberal values on who are you to complain your why you are a man but you are but here whose values are these are values the leats that never suffered the consequences of their policies you know that thats what it noised me so much if you go back to alex here alex you know one of the things that i really you know they do. The populists in all this you know these people are dissenting and that is a right to dissent ok that is a western ideal value and i dissent all of the time but if you dissent in europe then somehow youre a deviation is youre youre youre creating problems youre youre breaking within our norms ok no the norms were decided by somebody else not by the people go ahead alex yeah i mean the real title of this conference peter should be an attack on the nation state an attack on sovereignty its an attack on nationalism we saw it took braggs it took the u. K. And brags of 3 years to finally get out were seeing now that theyre about to put salvini in prison in italy to stop him from gaining power and winning in a democratic fashion this is what this cough is all about they dont know what people to feel like theyre a part of their country of their nation and so were going to do is begin to poll lula on him right you know i didnt lock him up i went in there and the funny part about all of this we all saw the Scandinavian Airlines commercial did we not that is a perfect example of how they feel about themselves that commercial that hit you tube and hit the airwaves and was criticized by everybody in scandinavia because they felt absolutely disgusted at the fact that the National Carrier the National Carrier was not proud of their own people their own culture their own heritage that is what is going on here thats what this congress is about is about destroying europe its about destroying what the west was all these decades you know glenn you know any great civilization collapse when it loses faith in itself and in this is essentially whats happening here its as if you know you know theyre there ideology is failing that means the people must be wrong and the people must be educated in reeducated until they accept these values until theyre grafted on and thats not going to happen thats why we have dissent in europe. And thats why this liberal. Internationalist movement very much they are undemocratic liberals that is if they push their liberalism but doesnt have the liberal liberals. The liberals the people are opposing them the populists there are rather democratic. Liberal democrats so there are looking to challenges but its but its also interesting that this destruction of the state which is a nation as well which is why you dont see russia buying this either because theyre already been through this they have the marxist the marxist do the same to say the nation state is nonsense or National Culture is nonsense the religion is nonsense lets just you know transition this and create this wonderful communist man or a man who is elevate the beyond his past be on Community Based on anything else but the credit values and human rights to some and you know it turned out even more care was a horrible thing another trying to recreate the community. The c. S. A. Doing the same things you after theyve fractured it so much ok they want to see if they can put it back together again no i dont give these people a 2nd chance fema go ahead you know i agree with the glare on that these are your g. s basically that it terry and there are many things that make it. Also true there that if there are a nationalist i did argue it would just let me remind you of some of the wars that these people you know that they point pariah state failed state you know. Normal state and what do we here at this conference from the french president to be you to europe or to morrow all all we can all be controlled by the United States all of our structure infrastructure all ports can all be all by the chinese and all Computer Networks can all be under russian pressure and of course what is it if nor do you know for just you or. Do you cant how big you cant be xena vocal big and then pursued globalist policy. We may get to be reminded again go to one with these people you can because what they do is what is notice they shout at the socalled populists at socalled nationalists you know when these people say you know we want basically our culture preserved but these people are very pretentious for russia china any big country that can rival they are globalist project you know potentially can rival it and the gist of this conference was how bad these populists are and theyre just ready to come out and say were sort of. Look at the article on our website the existential angst over west us those by hand and when you skip what she says that focused parties have rising up in the off tomorrow of the mess made by the liberal international or that good thats exactly ok were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion its a real new state with our team its perfect. When i was still seemed wrong. But all wrong just dont call. Me old yet to see palin just come out again. And in detroit it was betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we just of the for common ground. Just a preview not a moon but in your circles one of. You know. The much for the call it was a little bit more but there. Quite a good sort of produce here already in the sims but yeah you know maybe its time to trace. T. V. That. I cant show you my face but im going to teach you my story in 9093 this man was sentenced to death. They could charged with capital murder even though he didnt have the gun didnt pull the trigger didnt intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for the week with the center for 23. 00. I doubt that had to. Be. Confined within 4 gray walls. Excusing. Can help him to leave death row. Welcome back across all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to munge were discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to alex and well lets talk about the dual dual Justice System in America Roger stone could die in jail im pretty sure hes going to get pardoned but andy mccabe will continue with his high paying job at c. N. N. And they have something in common alex theyre both were charged or it was proven that both of them lied but one lives the good life ones going to rot in prison do it justice. Yeah this was you know this was no coincidence that the mccabe news was announced right after the roger stone thing went down i think that its all out war in the Justice Department peter theres no doubt about it and i think actually now going after bar we were talking about the democrats saying that they now want bar impeached getting rid of barr once again stops the russia gate investigation stops his durham investigation into investigating the investigators we know that durham is widening the net and hes closing in hes brand in hes komi its really ramping up the durham investigation and i think there is real panic in d. C. These real panic on the democrat side real panic from the state and so i think this whole mccabe thing this whole stone thing is a way to get at bar and try to get it out of it thats all you know its really interesting is that you know they want there it looks like they want to impeach barr i mean these the left isnt very nuanced anymore apparently you know when you see it when when youre really worried when you panic impeach ok. This is this is gone down i mean you can find fewer probably the one of the best issues that shows the difference in the media culture in the United States about roger stone i know a lot about roger stone and i think alex would agree with me hes a political prankster hes an operator hes a braggart i mean he thinks a lot of roger stone all of us that have watched politics over the years from the conservatives i know all about roger stone all right and hes not a danger to society nor to himself all right but hes been turned into a poster child they need they need to put him in jail because that will vindicate the russia gate hoax thats why they wanted to go ahead and i think this is a one of the big dangerous now not a stance polarizing which is in the on interest goes now that its the right. Drifted so far apart you see this spilling over into the Judicial Branch as well so yes we see many cases of this before if we come back to the cabin our hearings for example that was. Disgraceful in terms of how politics is now and this coming from both sides. But probably more in the hole from the left because they also see because it was a sentence for lying but if you look on the if you look at people of john brennan and you had. All of this were caught lying under testimony and what happened what they know they now have high paying jobs. Sitting on different leftwing t. V. Channels and not just from c. N. N. Time as a missy so it is it seems slightly selective that they would only go after roger stone and of course his trial was also a bit absurd i mean thats a bar point out there the head of the jury foreman your force or foreman there she was fiercely. Hated roger stone he was even tweedy could be very open about it. You know usually that would lead to a mistrial or something but its the best point you brought up to really like this. Quoted here is that. When you have the Justice Department so overtly politicized your and youre in a bad place youre live very place here in whats more so is that you have half the country enraged by this and when you have the liberal news outlets praising the mccabes in villainize seeing the roger stones of the world that youre playing with dynamite well its not the only example i mean look at these socalled whistle wars this is not a good mother good point absolutely there is this alexander we didnt need anyone expect him to have a new trial but we dont know when he came out with this statement that you know papers were a lie. In the eyes in prison he was a hero and his family was put on the protection or were military ways. Compare it to what happened to Julian Assange and compare it to what happened to Edward Snowden and its not only internationally see manning is. Still absolutely its still its still its not only the United States. Peter problems you know this is a guy who knew what his that was do with the red square was lionized by the western media when he acted in russia no 1st he was put in jail when he was set on fire the bank fronts you can set on fire there for us in moscow but dont do it to the bengal frogs no he was put in jail for the 2nd time because he exposed skin did it for that matter paris and how did they do it suddenly all the french newspapers remembered that he was challenged by putin for doing something bad to an actress in russia 2 years ago they said it was a whole you know it was slanderous you know which was just trying to put poverty in ski in jail now with i remember it because of the need to put a human shield in you that pretext basically they followed one pretext that there was a brawl a bold more than long the goal suddenly they remember that and they this was used as an excuse for arresting him but they will get arrested him off the Prime Minister of france and off to the ministry of interior said that these socalled artist was bat. Pardon is in the cards i think for sure ok i dont know about manner for i think that for roger stone and its quite appropriate in his going is already pointed out that the trial was less than pristine here its time to wrap this up to people say to pay a political cost hes already paying that cost every single day i see 0 downside for him to do it go ahead. And i think youll actually wait till after the elections when. When he does it where i think hes position now to win in a landslide peter i think bring up manifold is actually really good because outside of the cave stone issue it was the same judge that was there in the matter for it case and lets not forget who matter for it worked with and i mean literally worked away the pedestrian right there are around free exactly exactly such another example of the dual Justice System i mean these guys literally Work Together in ukraine one guys in prison one guys running around europe visiting museums buying expensive are drinking wine all kinds of things so thats a do it Justice System there trump is going to win in a landslide the dems are panicking the swap is panicking bernie is attacking them from the left theyre trying to deal with bernie as well and trying to knock him out as well and smearing am and who are they now propping up Peter Bloomberg whos going to be bloomberg running mate Hillary Hillary clinton. And both it is a hero by the way brad pitt is making speeches at the oscars about how boltons a hero we clowned world. Probably it will be Michael Bloomberg and jeff bezos a good beat you know thats thats the logical and you know i mean i think the you know i think the heartland the red states theyre going to draw the obvious conclusion that. The d. N. C. Radiant and favor through technical means and strategies but this time around theyre just going to buy it ok theyre going to tempted just to buy the election here and were going to do it quite openly with you know with a straight face because its for the greater good ok how is it good how is you know its always the left you know that we hear is that theyre the ones that are great protectors of democracy you know theyre the ones that are shredding it if you cant win by the old and theyre telling people and people on the left think thats a right you should do that this is really hurting institutions and the ethos of democracy. But this is again what i refer to as this are the on them a credit to liberals fighting against democratic. Liberal that is. Popular so this is also the problem if you want to come up with a recipe how for democrats to lose you know that this would pretty much be a dog bring Hillary Clinton with a bill in there and then talk to demolish your own leading frontrunner which is bernie sanders. And its just you know weaponized the Judicial Branch just go off to peach mint on. Just what else could you possibly do in order to ensure the trumps going to win then again i dont think its a very good precedent in the many many ways so i think i would like to see some months of a much better caliber of their vote. But again the guy is a cartoon character i deal with you i mean its these people are liberal liberals they like to talk about impunity you know you dont want to put sanctions on russia its going to be a unity well they did it. Again she did it take gain you know the d. And c. Is doing it again to bring a sense this the 2nd time when theyre all the same outlets are used and no one is punished this is impunity you know were talking about the life you know were talking about roger stole. People call a lot of weapons of mass destruction in iraq did anyone over them get by and it is because of these people that 4000 of them are you going to listen about until the financial crisis of 2008 who got punished for that separate the middle class the same in a general information. Basically there was a lot of wrong information it wasnt work let me go back to alex here going to rapidly running out of time here i mean it just a number of issues we have talked in this part of the program it really shows how everything is the tinderbox right now because its patently obvious that people are using power in i will this ill say it in a moral way is for their own betterment here i mean the mccain. Comparison is so galling and its so obvious to so many people go ahead alex. Yeah i mean its also obvious to bar isnt it peter main bar had to go outside of the d. O. J. To figure out what happened with Michael Flynn thats how much faith the bar has in his own Justice Department which i think everyone now is starting to realize is falling apart its infested infested with partisanship with swamp creatures as trump would call them and were looking at all out war barges in even trust his own Justice Department to deal with flynn and now hes trying to deal with stone meanwhile we have nick cave Walking Around free we have lisa page tweeting out pics drinking wine saying congrats and whatever she said i mean its right in front of our debates here but now its. Just a last few seconds here i think we have to say in all fairness trump isnt helping bar out by his random tweets there and you know going in there should be more of a united front there let bar do his job bar said 20 seconds go ive already said it far said it ok real quick well i think that basically bar its very interesting what the quote all we have here you know the democrats are taking him for basically openly pronouncing his ideas on religion which were conservative and for doing his job well he what is he doing they have already spoken its not it was already being used as a sarah get to go after trump its really quite obvious argument its all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in athens and thanks to our viewers for watching us here or if you see you next time remember cross nationals. You know between. The kind of good intentions of a coach or. Chris maybe even 40 years ago simply evaporate its not so pleasurable. 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