a lot of pressure on to david cameron to prevent what needs to come out from coming out i think they titus hounds who's they. the pies the bull he really running the country perhaps so alan may have voted fish in fame because it was fed up with new liberal austerity what now for investigations do you can't trust cities and what now for the end of the united kingdom joining me now via skype from don dorcas inventing the for loud rory and more of hooves taking the place of the party's former president gerry adams rory congratulations on winning predictable do you think that that the mainstream media in britain cannot mention your party's victory without the ira and former b.b.c. journalist john simpson saying it's all about populism nothing to do with the 28 crash in austerity and it's not unexpected what people will say oh it's am not this was and political terms it's are an electoral revolution and you an internist to us we were getting there some doors be florida sap and the people were sand they were absolutely set up where the governments were sending you know he also said they were set up where it alternating between sitting out and seeing a falls and they wanted to see change of course if you were getting that on the doorstep but isn't it a catastrophic miscalculation by your party not to feel more candidates when it's very easy in retrospect and obviously in relation to said you know that on the doorstep you know you had it on the doorstep but you need you know remain a period of time to a degree had already passed or at that stage the election got called you to a very short period of time in relation to the meeting paper and also we have been in a similar position to a degree before where let's 6 wholesalers and whatever would have had us in trying to 16 are going to say in around 21 percent but still it slowly found for a 4 week period right this was different and it was sustained but you always expect that there could be a slight hearing or asked ok why do you think southern island vote is we're more concerned about shin fein north of the border which of course is being in the fact a coalition with the unionists in forcing what the left in. of an island called austerity in fairness i think people realize that we don't have the sort of control the fiscal labors in the north and to a degree you are dealing with the outworking tory unsterile and while in government we made every attempt we term in relation to mitigating the worst aspects of the past so right now i think our support base i think most people will accept that you know the thing that she unveiled success means is turning into the new fianna for oil basically i mean it wasn't long ago that you guys said corporation tax rises 17 percent you know manifest assent no keep it in 12 enough same is very hard because we we said keep it a program or half percent you know i mean we like we obviously see that as an absolutely necessary part of maintaining and you know the economy we have and i have to unite but what we have said is and we don't make any bones about it we have talked about our 5 percent levy on people ending or $140000.00 we have talked to bring out tax credits for earnings at balder between 800140000 we've talked about now taxing banks like you have banks here that would have high and amp profits have been around 2000000000 i don't and we are talking about quoting in a tax in around $175000000.00 and these are all very sensible options do you think given the banking measures in the manifesto it would be impossible to talk to fianna for oil given their association after the crash with anglo irish for instance let alone the i.m.f. and e.u. bailout austerity the affected area i don't think it's impossible to talk to anybody you know i'm dan in no middle c. asians to people bringing their asks and wants to the table and i get to read negotiations you don't necessarily get all that you want but when we're talking about a program for government we would be the program for a government that we could and that we would be how do you wish that would deal. the big ticket issues and we could also see out to our own membership and to the wider actor template for us if indeed mary lou mcdonald becomes t. sharp who knows out of all these negotiations not sure the you know the financial times he had quoted u.k. prime minister barth johnson on the of iraq as saying why why was nicole murphy like all the rest of them are you going to be able to talk to a british prime minister who makes comments like that and you concerned about anti irish bigotry seeping enough to shin fame success at the election we've been able to deal with that british governments over many years that we've had huge difficulties left yeah we would much prefer to people that make sure that our snide comments or whatever but we can we can deal with whoever so talking to boris johnson shouldn't be a problem i mean he made it a whole mark of his attacks on jeremy coleman to keep calling him a defender of the ira he said what he said because he believed it would be useful in electoral exams i imagine you know he would have no difficulty in dealing with us the status of mary lou mcdonald and michelle o'neil in recent times i don't see this changing what if he thought of the fact that around the time of his general election boris johnson has been talking about a bridge from ulster to scotland you probably aware that nicholas sturgeon north of the border here is talking about a new referendum on scottish independence this him fane kind of laugh at that and think it's going to be a celtic bridge between scotland and alpha and i'm not sure on the engineering why cost lives or whatever but it stephanie not an issue that came up under duress and darker trotter are already are i mean the places that we were coming saying yeah but you know what i'm getting at the british taxpayer paying 20000000000 pounds for a bridge between a united ireland and an independence ago and now here i'm glad that you're seeing into the future a united ireland that's their cross of i would say out of darkness are ok but the difference between bora. johnson breaks a deal and teresa mayes was of course a sea border bordered on the irish sea you know the think one could say that the ever agca did more for irish unity than sinn fein than they meant of a lesbian a foil then the ira because this paves the way for unity we would stay a step we were am simply and were among the 1st people to start talking about special designated status and without doubt the conversation white in the cap and around the borders i have i suppose all all that i can say is that there was a certain degree. agreement between and all the political parties on the site and particularly with the european union in relation to how important ireland was how the border was going to create difficulties for the people who were trying to bring about breakfast you know a fan of oil says when the conditions are right when it comes to irish reunification referendum and that it's all up to westminster and the bars johnson government i know you're going to say 800 years is too long a time do you think she in fame is going to be able to leverage bracks it terms over the united kingdom a force to force a poll under the good friday agreement i don't see it as levering it as leveraging in relation to embrace of negotiations well what i see is that bracks it has probably changed a lot of people's minds across the north and south of ireland probably even some people in britain in relation to their logical sense that we would have also always said in relation to break it about irish unity and now what's interesting is talking about at the minute is that there would be some element of sense of the timing we've caused far as citizens assembly whereby all the stakeholders could maced and could discuss what a united ireland would look like how we would have the police in a position for everybody in us and then beyond that we need to ensure the timing of course this conversation has started the genie is out of the bottle. so it doesn't make sense not to be prepared even vienna foyle are saying that but one of boris johnson just says no in fact under the terms of the good friday agreement it's not satisfied that poland mean if occasion is required i do understand that it's been and a guest of the british government and the secretary of state in the north but the reality is the conversation that started we have already started to say pulsars they are showing here both north and south it. wants an interest and people are looking for irish units because this is the anniversary of the u.k. link the killing of the civil rights the list of the new can what do you think it will be like controlling the garda and the justice system in the republic if indeed mary lou mcdonald becomes shock and indifferent is anything going to happen to the legacy issues level ocean alone what it will mean for having control of the irish military the air force the navy and the and the army and in relation to. the relationship with the irish french forces and with the guardian i imagine amongst those 2 groupings that huge amount of them have to build for us through for us to get the result we have we would see any major difficult bits of their down here as regards dealing with justice issues so we just if joins in johnson refuses the good friday agreement under the agreement aboard a poll you know we're going to use the military i don't foresee and that sort of situation occurring no no i don't worry america that again. after the break did their liberalism get off in a gale in vienna for oil we speak any of our ad because news in right wing finagle and the movement founded by easter rising commandants name and develop a referendum foyle both arguable allies after the 2008 western economic crisis all this more coming up in part 2 of going underground. in 2040 you know bloody revolution to keep the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be freezing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know we're here to put a premium list put video clip in the new bill is that i knew pulling you to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of 2014. those who took part in the studio over $5000000000.00 to assist ukraine in these an article that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome back continuing our coverage of arguably the biggest transformation in islands electoral politics since independence i'm joined now by the party that won the most seats in the doyle if not the popular vote fianna foil barry andrew former minister and now member of the european parliament joins me from strasburg what did you make of this huge defeat for fianna foil even though you won in the door well well look it's a classic case of the people have spoken but nobody's really sure what they've said so we are now in a state of flux there's no doubt that the political landscape has been redrawn for the 1st time in many many years and. so you have now to. present themselves as a alternative government but the numbers simply aren't there so for a few to fall we're in a terrible position whereby government just in a gale doesn't represent change government which in fain would cause mutiny within our party another election isn't exactly possible either so it's a case of least worst options at the moment so go get to know what happens next but isn't the problem. with. the your body is completely in the nation is associated with that when you wait graces its closeness to bail that anglo-irish. the i.m.f. arriving in dublin after a total destruction of your economy no you will know that there was an intervening general election in 2016 and that there were local and european elections last year and 2019 and in both of those leaders fall did extremely well these the largest party of local government there circumcise the 2020 alexion almost no bearing on what happened in 2008 i think we're being punished for providing the stability and sustainability of the government to the confidence to supply arrangement i think we did the right thing and i don't think blame needs to be attached to the leadership of the party it's just the mood of the people is very negative towards finegan and it was a plague on all your houses you're saying that it wasn't memories of brian cowen then the woman was. it was perhaps a few in the gale in your govt it is a blood agreement but maybe those young people that grew up during the they've grown up in effect and maybe that's surely the problem yeah but it doesn't know i think the housing issue is. the problem there is the finegan government took an approach which is that they basically genuflected to the to the to the private sector to deliver housing for our young people is what the private sector doesn't care about social issues and so it was a terrible mistake and so there are loads and loads of people now in their thirty's that are paying high rents that don't have a realistic chance of owning their own home but have good jobs so they feel almost detached from the state they feel almost tenants of the state and that sense of disenfranchisement really bubbled up and to the surface during the course of this election when you talk about housing with respect it will. it is a journey google now neither of those people would say with this case the republicans will go with the tories sorry we didn't have a coalition with finegan we provided confidence and supply we supported 3 budgets initially and a 4th budget there after health housing child care the cost of living these were the issues fein ran a very good campaign there were a lot of people elected on sunday who couldn't get into the local authority just 6 months ago in local elections so it was a presidential style election and mary lou mcdonald presented a very good case together with some of her leadership we acknowledge that we put our hand up and there are lessons for us there but i believe we paid a huge price for confidence and supply. vanes very limit donald hadn't exactly miscalculated in terms of putting up candidates at the election your party would have been wiped out and i don't even i think most people said follow just looking at its calculate that they might have left behind 6 or 7 seats due to their miscalculation but that was based their miscalculation was based on the fact that they got hammered in the presidential election in 2018 they got hammered in the irish european and local elections in 2019 and they got hammered in the westminster elections in december 2900 so they understood that the direction of travel was very negative for shin fein. cian fane whether it was going to. unification like foyle become the new uniform. even of the right now to say when the conditions are right reunification referendum should occur it doesn't have the right to say there will be a reunification referendum within 5 years or less doesn't the gift doesn't fall into their hands as you probably know the good friday agreement devolved power to the british secretary of state when he or she determines that the circumstances are career. act and then if they make that conclusion they are obliged to unity referendum but as you probably have learned in the u.k. about referendums it is vitally important that the landing ground after referendum is clearly delineated for voters so that they know exactly what they're voting for we've made no capital planning provision for the consequences of unity in terms of any of the government programs that are in published over the last couple of years as an enormous amount of work to be done on those issues it's not something that an irish government can deliver as do i new economic modeling is we. didn't do it when it was in government and huge speaking to me from strasburg surely instead of just saying it's all up to westminster and the boris johnson government the government in dublin should be leveraging if indeed reunification it should be using e.u. leverage to get reunification only doing bood i think is less of an e.u. issue than say brags that this is an issue the u.k. has already made it clear that it has no strategic interest in the continuing presence on the island of ireland and it's merely there in deference to the consent of the unionist majority within the 6 counties if in a fall supports the reunification i do personally is one of the basic principles that i believe in the integrity of the island the geographical integrity of the island but we also fully accept the good friday agreement and all of the principles that underpin it including the principle of consent so we aren't going to go in with a steamroller and trying to force unionism we have to build reconciliation in real terms politically economically and culturally with our unionist brother and on this island even if it is much even in the. politicians north of the border in the stormont was the result actually very expected and. a clear legacy of the western economic crisis invent a foil should have adapted to the conditions of the poorest people in the island who have clearly suffered since the i.m.f. and the e.u. bailouts of your country yeah i think i mean we've we've put our election slate our manifesto was prudent and acknowledge the reality of the situation and we weren't offering tax cuts we were offering increases and probably expenditure with with whatever additional revenues were available to the government and we were doing that at a prudent level. by contrast we came up with a classic magic money tree they were going to spend 22000000000 over the next 5 years and i think the same criticism probably made of jeremy corman's manifesto so we've taken a very prudent line we don't want to beggar the next generation we've learned our lessons to critics it's no really big good because the payments have to be made over what decades yes they do and there's a very very high national debt so that's still a millstone around ireland so any party that presents itself to the people with additional spending including abolition of property tax no carbon tax getting rid of the universal social charge or reducing it substantially and while also massive public spending capital spending increases that is reckless in the extreme thank you well if you can afford to let these got the most members of parliament at the election the big losers will be over it because in a gale joining me now from the irish capital is someone who campaigned with finagle councillor kiran dennis. commiserations just remind us why on earth your leader the 1st tee shot in irish history not to be elected in the 1st count cool the irish election in the 1st place well essentially you run out of numbers and as a result of the european parliament elections number of. members of the dole and i were elected to european parliament and we don't do it by elections. were held in november and. the result of a by elections and a day leading party for the gale you know only got one of those 4 by elections we only won one of them so. it became a numbers game and we had to be essentially a sort of minority government being propped up by the center left and if you don't fall on they felt they couldn't continue that confidence and supply arrangement any longer why has the lead america not gone now given people on the doorstep saying under him thousands of children homeless rents up 40 percent albeit that 2008 i mean i was reading life expectancy of a homeless irishman is 42 for irish women who are almost 37 why is your lead in all gone now well you must remember you know. this is the reason ireland for anyone to be sleeping on the streets free of very good welfare system for anyone who finds and sells. a house in terms of the housing problem that's beginning to turn around a central statistics office announced that new hospitals have gone up by 18 percent and that rents are beginning to come down again so it's a little ironic that the i come up the election that they one of the biggest problems people had was with housing and that that is now turning around but the over occur was elected party leader 2 years ago. i think it's personal popularity was very high until before the election. still high in the party. we had difficulties during the campaign obviously the buck stops with him but i'm not sure he was the problem. or the reason the feet of water or shouldn't say and so artie will be reflecting that over the next few weeks and months. but certainly nobody is calling for his head at the moment you have to face is obviously came too late for you from the central statistical office. but having said that and of course i should say shin fein supporters majority of the people who got the popular vote they say there is reason for people to be homeless there's a do statistics office also says more irish people killed themselves in the 20008 austerity that were killed in the entire troubles between 68 in 1998 you can see why she in fame and the troubles are not really that relevant anymore despite their what a fin a gale politicians used to be saying on television screens after the result watch for it but to just it can prevent researchers look at all said was that there's a lot of us if you look at suicide figures they're actually higher in northern ireland which is which as you know what i meant or what i was addressing was why finnegan ailes continued attempts to talk about it in fein in the context of the troubles when in fact austerity arguably killed more people than the entire troubles between 69 and 1908 i very much disagree was i but i think most people find terrorism repugnant and they find it very difficult. to understand why people would a joy in a party that still had a private army that was responsible for so many deaths so many injuries. involved in smuggling in drugs and buy groceries up until quite recently. and they still celebrate that so others eatable the trip all busy to bother the irish electorate arguably but i have to ask you given that it was very radical. it doesn't bother 25 percent of the electorate but it does bother 75 percent elected i think people have to remember that ok but it was very odd who apparently leveraged boris johnson to accept a line down the irish sea off to theresa may have successfully stopped the irish government trying to put that in any post back to negotiation you think it is a finn a gale has done more for irish unification than the ira then shin fein then even him and developer is fianna foil well d. line down they are you see on the questions about the irish border true an international agreement signed between united kingdom and the irish republic you haven't heard them there on the terrorism a it was there under boris johnson in his negotiations with the e.u. and of course. took a close interest in those negotiations well the obligations under the good friday agreement are there under every prime minister on less u.k. wants to revoke that international agreement to resume negotiated a post breaks it deal that did not include a line down the irish sea where as well as johnson did now brooke yes facing aligned a border down the irish sea yes but in trees amazing agreement with europe there was to be no border between the republic of ireland no our border crete republic of ireland i'm not an ardent there and as a thank you. thank you. that's over the show will be back of the table gusting globally at the same times but a lot to you kate on new times of 83423830 g.m.t. until they get judged by such media don't forget to subscribe to your. we know in psychology that the more people are told that they can't or shouldn't do something whether it's sexual or otherwise the more it makes them want to do it so trying new things violating taboos are some of the most common and pervasive elements in our sexual fantasies. as the election cycle rages on the media highlights or even invents what they deem to be important even radical what they don't tell you is how the political center is collapsing in today's campaign is what voters think about the status quo. in this community there are people who believe. it's really hard there are no jobs and you see the kids. and as a pair. are gibsons and there's a lot of conflict within the game and between the teams most of the conflict i would say. is maybe. close one on each other since. there's good business the state of california makes $6000000000.00 a year of the prison complex to get some $25.00 where. you don't care. how serious it looked probably this is a box type file and tensions between russia and talk to you accuse each other. when terry minister has to face trial for not admitting refugees system last year despite him being elected. sitting on a powder keg briefs takes on claims that i'm following the team bus 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