Took place in glasgow. Of course this follows another general election victory for the s. And p. Where their unionist appointed sorted used to a grand total of 11 seats compared to 48. 00 pro independent same piece however there is no sign whatsoever that bothers johnson is prepared to accept that landslide as a month date for the for the independence referendum this week hed ought to nicolas cage and the scottish 1st minister brushing aside her demand for a new pool and a future programme will examine in detail the westminster response to the Scottish Governments demand for the for the independence referendum but the show will feature the fuse of commentators and probably maintain and on how scotland should best progress its claims in the face of this feat today we asked 2 top political commentators. And judge kevin how the drama is likely to play it im to be asked to expedience to s. M. P. Parliamentarians from scotland and with spencer for their views on with their scotland but 1st your tweets messages and emails in response to russia last week lynn says its good to look back at the year now its time to move forward and work towards Scottish Independence scorches says really love the shores of Northern Ireland catalonia and finland far surpassed that i put of p. P. C. Martin says love the show alex great to see all the folks at major issues so interesting over the year whod have thunk it that limits predictions would be so i could it have you got in picking your horse is now andrea says cant wait until the day that programming like this is our mainstream scottish t. V. My favorite thing to watch thank you so much andrea and finally taria from finland says independent scotland soon i dont want to get a visa to get there now the general election provided the Prime Minister with a mind to get bricks its done however north of the border things did not go according to the johnson fun with half the tory seats crashing and burning the other unionist parties did even worse with labor just to install the cheese seat and the liberals losing their you keep party leader to success however that is no sign that borders johnson is prepared to buy to s. N. P. Government demands for the powers to hold another referendum or indeed have to as its known in scotland these are the exchanges a Prime Ministers questions the Prime Minister is a democracy. Thank you to the brave men of crises calling privately you know this position is undemocratic unacceptable and completely unsustainable the Prime Minister has showed an hour took a turn for scottish democracy your school the parliament of the scotlands people the speaker it was not only the right honorable gentleman who leads the s. N. P. In this house it was also alex salmond and does protege nicholas sturgeon who said at the time of the referendum that it was a once in a generation to any city they said they the right thing why do you change their mind here is that you know are these that in our a democracy yes and still how is the impasse likely to be resolved alex asked political commentators miss wishart and former s. N. P. M. P. George coven. You know for sure welcome back to the Alex Salmonds show thanks alec now and your preelection forecasts of a month ago you were more or less spot on you said the s. N. P. Would make substantial gains the unionist parties and suffer the vassals you didnt foresee that the feat of jewel swenson but apart from that youve got matters right whats happened since then and scottish politics there is a standoff as you know because the Scottish National party has said it once had referendum this year the government with mr has said no we and him thats where we stand at the moment but as you say its a start of a request from nicholas stopped them to have the socalled section pfaff to have another referendum accepted by westminster the point blank refusal from bala starts in this week so how does that sort of constitutional standoff get resolved im not at all sure because theres actually quite a lot of Division Within the ranks of the independent supporters as to how we should proceed theres a theres a bit of a head of steam i mean amid some supporters of the with the government and independents that mr keep seeing new then we should effectively just do a u. G. I. On the groans that the union of the parliaments in 1707 was a union between if you pardon the expression 2 consenting adults it wasnt a teac over at least it it wasnt put treated as such at the time so thats one thought the thought of this Scottish Government quite differently is that if we have any sort of independence referendum in scotland which doesnt have the legitimacy of the section 30 order that you flagged up then it would have properly galatea and if it doesnt a proper legality it will impinge on scotlands ability to stay in europe to make a bid to become a european nation there after of course the idea of Scottish Independence being decided and the referendum is actually a relatively new concept and scottish politics for for many many years successive Prime Ministers even Margaret Thatcher accepted the majority of. Beans from the sh t. Would provoke the pan the situation was all that changed i dont know id really like to know the answer that myself because even m. L. S. To jack the scotland secretary said as recently as last autumn that if in the end the 2021 scottish general election there was a there was a majority in favor of independence then that would be a mandate for a referendum he just this last weekend hes changed his tune in that possibly because of boris i think its also interesting alex to look at the Northern Ireland situation there are many similarities in as much as Northern Ireland voted remain the majority voted to mean as indeed the majority in scotland did but Northern Ireland has come out of this with a very nice do its good another bumper bonus coming a long down the tracks but significantly in the Northern Ireland agreement there was provision that if a majority of people in Northern Ireland wanted reunification they could have a poor to say to a so about a Family Member correctly and the legislation not out of the can of a poor theoretically every 7 years if it suddenly the good friday agreement is 7 years printed off for nonviolent but not good enough for scotland well just at the very fact of having a referendum having a pool is good enough for labor no good enough for scotland and of course the other thing i mean i dont begrudge the irish this a toll but the other thing is that ireland Northern Ireland thanks to boriss withdrawal deal is no able to see within a tariff Free Trade Agreement within a factory still within the e. U. Who has scotland is going to be in some difficulty the i mean weve already seen signs of this with the americans putting slapping a tag of scottish whisky which is as you know is a very big Foreign Editor for scotland and indeed for the for the exchequer in london so what is scotlands reaction in your estimation likely to be the johnston vehicle going to be well were sure him or tough there were people shrug our shoulders and go to the back of the bus i dont think anybody shrugging their shoulders and. More and i think the fact that there were 80000 plus people marching in and i mean that the weather in glasgow last saturday had you know any self respecting ducks looking for umbrellas it was absolutely horrendous but the number of the troops came out in numbers who i would worry about if i were nicholas sturgeon is you cant keep expecting people to turn know with their so tires demonstrate a high level of enthusiasm and then do nothing i think they will come a point where the Scottish Government has got to take some for my action when were the other otherwise they stand to lose the support theyve already built up requests are going to push in your gut the general election result scotland more or less correct not going to ask whats going to happen not well i mean i think the general consensus with which i agree alex is that there will be no referendum in 2020 apart from anything else we learned this week from the institute for government for one to happen just in terms of the logistics and they would have to be in agreement on a section 30 order by april and that aint going to happen self evidently from what we saw this week so theres not going to be one this year the 2nd the fullback position if you like is that the year the 2021 scottish general election is effectively the referendum the next referendum on independence but the problem with that is that even if they win and win big the Scottish Government and even if with the help of the greens theyve got a substantial majority in favor of independents you still have the no inconsiderable problem of burra saying no. Arent whats going to happen when boss says no i mean i seem to remember that mark and such of used to say north scottish devolution yes thats right and the bliss it can in kenyan writer for and memory when scotland put dont its cream of rate 70 of the scottish people in 1980 and he was asked the same question in the he said what ive said to him too kind in a kenyan right what happens if mrs thatcher says no and he said well we are the people and we say yes id like to see something similar reports out for glasgow thank you very much indeed thanks alec does cover the welcome back to the alex salmond show happy new year arts. Well i just kind of a bull for commentator but you also are a farmer of Scottish National party member of the Westminster Parliament so firstly as a commentator how would you assess this impasse this deadlock between edinburgh and london on the subject of the independence referendum well i mean were in Uncharted Waters here for the 1st time we have been told in scotland that you cannot have a referendum ever youre youre part of an Indivisible Union and you have no say in the matter now Indivisible Unions have a have an unhappy record of breaking up but were uncharted water also because after the election people in the labor party people outside the National Family have begun to think well games up we want scotland to decide where its going they need a bit of leadership and i think theres a question mark over the Scottish Government which seems to have walked into what we walked into a trap from from Boris Johnson hes going to say no hes got to go and say no so what does the government do but just kelvin the 1st burst or so should be responding to the vitriol from bob as johnson by the end of this month what the answer come forward and that stage that you can all rally behind well we mean its an amazing thing going on in scotland in that people are voting with their feet that actually literally getting on the streets and marching theyve been marching presently every month the beginning of january 80000. 00 people in the pouring rain in glasgow theyre looking for a leadership and the leadership has to be something more than just waiting on boris that appears to be the Scottish Government like you know in Northern Ireland they already have in the good friday agreement the constitutional right to call a referendum on the border whenever they want scotland is being denied that and i think its some point if boris is refusing to give scotland what Northern Island has there will be civil disobedience but as a nod now in the good friday agreement is a 7 year period what we see that would be 20. 21 to be applied up to stop the desire. Democracy is invisible if people if people are part of a union they get it they get the right to say whatever they want whether they continue in that unit and that is no happening i think that the problem for the Scottish Government so far is it wants to take all the decisions itself but there are new forces in in train after the election people the labor party are shaking their heads they want Something Different we have to have some form of reaching out which goes beyond simply the Scottish Government and having of addicts and i think we might need some kind of institution some kind of convention some kind of gathering of all the Political Forces goal of the say we want the right to selfdetermination and the people who are marching in the streets in scotland they need some kind of leadership as weve seen in catalonia say where they dont were told the politicians they organize themselves and they campaign themselves if this go to a really has a plan it is to start spending some money on it and actually theres theres theres been no move from the s. N. P. Leadership to mobilize on the streets to campaign to produce Campaign Literature for independence or a referendum it cant all be left to the people at holyrood no youre becoming known as the the man with a plan after the after goal you wrote to the National Paper this week in scotland so spell out what the planners of you think theres a way forward trucked for viewers there are 2 issues one is the right to selfdetermination the other is winning an independence majority on selfdetermination i think there are no broad forces who agree that its scotlands democratic right to have a referendum when it wants if it wants its not something of be imposed from london secondly on the issue over india winning the case for independence where scholar at the moment split 5050 we need to campaign on the doors everyone agrees on that but the campaign has to be organized scottish s. N. P. Leadership is is not actually talking a good game but its not actually. To do anything we need to set up a separate movement of those who want independence in the streets separate from the politicians who are poor can organize the marches you can raise the money you can produce the campaign but you can start knocking on the doors no we cant wait another year we cant wait to the next Holyrood Elections we need a campaign now but the campaign has to be organized and that has to be organized by the people themselves george garrulity and edward thank you very much indeed. Join us after the break to get the views of 2 s. N. P. Parliamentarians on how scalding can progress the case for a referendum in the face of a westminster to. You know world of big partisan new things. And conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now were watching closely watching the hawks. Welcome back the view from scotland from the streets on daily action seems clear and determined however the view from dynasty seems equally determined so is the it is a civil force meeting an immovable object alex spoke to form a scottish cabinet member im briggs at rebel alex new m. S. P. I just former 7 colleague i knew the elected m. P. For east Lothian Kenny Macaskill to charts their votes ahead. Kind of mccaskill the newly elected member for the slow into the Westminster Parliament congratulations and welcome to the exam and to thank you its good to be back but yourself and the other 48 independents support again peace aleck 2 from scott with a huge election trials but if i arrived in westminster making your 1st speech in the palace the west most of this week of Boris Johnson says that you know getting a referendum so we go there now its a democratic right to the people of scotland to be able to decide upon their own independence and therefore this i to treat been taken by Boris Johnson that you cannot have an independent stress. Random ever despite the fact to prepare to see one in a border pull in ireland is fundamentally undemocratic super got to build the base not just amongst independents supporters but all those who cherish democracy but when you last week suggested this new Scottish Constitutional Convention replaying what was done in the eightys and ninetys of devolution you took a fair criticism a for breaking ranks and secondly for people saying look we want our referendum no we dont want another talking shop for a number of years well i think late every member of their same p. I want a referendum if we could have it yesterday i would have it but the fact of the matter is it was never going to come i dont think i broke ranks i think we said what everybody knew but some people chose not to not to accept or to acknowledge so i think weve got to plan our peer we now know that hes not accepting it we should be doing i think building that beast that Grassroots Level because everything we do a senior political level of bringing together than i can see to you have not said it to others i can see ive had private approaches from other members of other Political Parties no s. And p. In greens who agree with us so weve got to reach out to them but weve got to do it not just a National Level we should be doing this look level a nice little bit those and other Political Parties who agree with us who oppose not just to see the because its not just scotland right to choose a different direction on whether an independent nation is the right to choose a different direction in membership reviewed up of a relationship with europe of how we impose taxation whether we you know look after the poor upon arrival or cost them through the windows johnsons going to do this is a poke in the people of scotland to be able to run their own country and choose their own destiny after pressure in this new names no patco but split pool parties on what level of seniority of these people who are saying the at least back scotlands right to choose the labor party and its. Individual members i would name then thats for them but theyve been in touch to see that they agree so well as a good buddy to supplement colleagues actually i was at the hand of friendship by others the talk in parliament were talking parliament in and i think thats what we have to do all levels we have to reach out to activists in the community as weve done elections as were chopping doors but as a particle that we bring together whether we call a Constitutional Convention a convocation of this is how we move forward get the elected representatives of scotland in the uk or those that choose to come but s. N. P. In green will be there im sure including the person who got in touch me there will be more because of spoken out from the labor party and there might be others but if a Prime Minister with a parliamentary majority of 80 it westminster hes prepared to dismiss an election result scotland is prepared to struggle inside the loss of half of the same piece is he really going to be impressed if the s. N. P. And some labor of people and perhaps the s. T. C. And some others get together in scotland though is it really going to borrow some of the late bata starts well im sure would initially hell have some consent but it wont bother but its then the actions that we can work locally because then the day you and i were there the time when Margaret Thatcher decided to bring the poll tax in on scotland to bring in a year from south of the border the elected representatives because we didnt have a Scottish Parliament would oppose to it but if the people of scotland ultimately said no Margaret Thatcher was brought down and the iron lady was well and truly melted on the backs of the anti Poll Tax Movement after conception that of bottles johnson will wave the check book. Check book at no niland the present moment that he might not to be quite as unpopular as many people in the National Movement in scotland believe well 1st of all i dont believe that the check will be waived or know that action even of this has been a spate across the channel but more importantly i dont thing. Keon has 0 caliber going to be popular in scotland have never been in portland scotland ive just been doing some research about 200 years ago an adult of henry didnt dast so you remember he was a potentate of similar males he was a tory it represented an oligarchy of rich landowners 200 years on horse changed alice to jack represents an oligarchy he says hes a scottish secretary hes got no more political legitimacy than henry dunn dyess and yet to see it represents an oligarchy of the rich and find a kind of a classical form of scottish justice a new boy in the Westminster Parliament you signed up for a 5 year term will you get your referendum and not 5 years for counting can a car school thank you very much thanks for making me. Feel member of the Scottish Parliament bought us johnson says no to another Scottish Referendum does come as a surprise to the Scottish Parliament members i do think it was a tall a surprise given the comments he and his colleagues have been making in the ridiculous comments made by the scottish take it to alice of jock the even if next year again we renew the mandate for an independent verification dome they still wouldnt accept the democratic decision of the scottish people its unbelievable that the tory party has got itself into this situation yes but surely the Prime Minister whether its unbelievable of not consider look ive got the commons majority of 80 my mandates bigger than your math you can go in wessel for your referendum well 2 points 1st of all on mine didnt actually relatively big of them has because he had 43 percent of the vote we got 45 percent of the vote in scotland but much more importantly than that but this is a both the right of selfdetermination which the tory party in the past has been prepared to accept that the scottish people have the right of selfdetermination we went into this union valan tonally. Were entitle to exeter voluntarily and he can stop that and is somebody one said we are the scottish people and we see yes so were not listening to Boris Johnsons neat yes but he doesnt require you to listen to heaven all here the choir says not to authorize another Scottish Referendum so in the bowels of the Scottish Parliament is that a strategy to deal with the johnston veto and already we see people in other parties most noticeably the labor Party Breaking ranks with the in leadership and saying yes the scottish people should have the right of a referendum and determine whether they want independence or noid and thats coming from a party whos actually going through a poor is independence and such a referendum Kenny Macaskill the former scottish justice secretary has told us that he supports another form of Scottish Constitutional Convention to press the case for a referendum is that the sort of initiative you support or do you believe are those to say well thats another talking shop thats more years delay we want a referendum now and if the last time we formed a Scottish Constitutional Convention and actually was very effective in forcing the issue of devaluation onto the agenda and of course its no 20 years since the devolve polman it was established we could do it they were much stronger now because weve got a polman and we could use that palmer as a forum to bring you why its a action of Scottish Society together to demand the right to selfdetermination so you say scotland speaking in one voice but you yourself has been a rebel on european policy youre one of the few signal s. N. P. Figures are they simply parliamentarian who kind of agreed with brakes or if you speak one voice when youre putting forward a different point of view on the key issue of europe the fact that breaks it is going. To happen legally at the end of this month means that weve now got to look at our future not only in relation to the rest of the United Kingdom but what kind of future does an independent scotland want with the rest of europe by your own view is by far the best solution to that would be for an independent scotland to become a member of the European Free trade association efta and that gives us the benefits of the e. U. With most of the dont sides of the e. U. And i believe we could garner a consensus for that position as well i mean finally what do you say to these tenants of phone thousands of referendum independents d marshals on the streets of glasgow defying the elements last weekend these are people who are looking for a mean shit action not less they for for talking shops are for the delay that they want to see the Campaign Progress to immediately put sure message to them well well those many of us been fighting for independence for 3040 years and even more so i would see 2 things through them 1st of all i believe that we are going to win this battle and win it within the next few years but secondly we have got to play with the hand weve got to maneuver got to be more perfidious than albion sales and that means continuing with the marquiss setting up the Scottish Constitutional Convention looking at the possibility if were not going to get ascension thing at the order to legitimize a referendum in the eyes of westminster is it a toll possible legally to have a consultative way for end im organized in scotland can waste months the start up all of these things have to be considered but weve got to keep the battle going and put a fairly clear battle plan in place easy to get the right to selfdetermination through a 2nd referendum to tame of our own choosing in the Scottish Parliament and secondly in that way for a i will be fighting for an independent scotland neil from edinburgh thank you very much indeed. Pleasure there is an ancient chinese story dating from the 3rd century b. C. Sometimes called the spear and shield potter talks and tells of a seller of armory being exposed when he attempted to simple to mislead sell an unstoppable spear and an impenetrable shield or only to have it pointed out that logically both could not be valid seals thus in the wake of the general election something has to give when it is a simple force of Scottish Nationalism movable object of majority government and the house of commons. The scottish 1st minister promised every friend in this year indeed f 2020 and said that a convincing general election victory would sweep away all of position the victory arrived but the opposition his state however the british Prime Minister fought the election in scotland on opposition to these demands and lost spectacularly it is difficult to explain a mandate to run britain while simultaneously denying a bigger one expressing scotlands will some argue that the s. N. P. Should by their time prepare their case rechecks to other parties and to wait until the new johnson government hits civil however was predicted evident the mitten scotland among the independents marchers is not one of calm appraisal but of bold and determined resolution that is a viewpoint that far from done the brakes a constitutional drama is only finishing its 1st act with the Withdrawal Agreement in comparison however the scottish constitutional standoff has just started the opening curtain its barely up on this particular scottish plea from whether scotland to be will soon move to whether the labor party with the runners and writers now declared for the leadership contest but next week we returned to the subject of his ng and examined both Practical Action and academic study on homelessness so for now from alex me and all of the team at the show well see you next thank you thank you thanks. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy to. Let it be an arms race in. The very Dramatic Development of only loosely. I dont see how that strategy will be successful ready. To sit down and talk. The russian president appoints former chief. The countrys new Prime Minister after parliament overwhelmingly votes in favor of his account to see. Media suggest putins to devolve power to the Russian Parliament are part of a plot to stay in power beyond 2021. Libyas rebel general. Reportedly agrees to abide by the cease fire currently in effect in the war stricken country it comes hours after president said turkey would be sending more troops to libya to support the u. N. By