Inside of iraq against the will of the people in government and parliament there that is what makes this all asymmetrical and i think you can draw different conclusions about as the media likes to do who won and who lost go ahead alex and well. Heres what i think the fundamental difference is that the iranians deployed the. Range of their assets together that that Foreign Policy that diplomats they bring to get their political leaders they be able to bring in their intelligence operatives manage me people also their economic assets such as they are and they set themselves very clear objectives which they dont let themselves be done 38. 00 from and that objective is not clearly defined easy is to try to get the United States and the middle east out of iraq specifically areas where they can threaten iran the. Knowledge states by contrast what we see there is a dysfunctional government which doesnt have any kind of clear long 6 long established plan so you have different people pushing for different objectives you have people look wanting to escalate as you put it which means essentially having a wall you see the Us Government forced into frantic through the Swiss Embassy in tehran which it now turns out it was the United States which initiated it was lee us and having started the escalation became panicked and saw the way out to deescalate in other words they dont have clear objectives and theyre not working towards those objectives instead you get the impression of a very powerful country stretching around throwing bombs in some directions killing people in other directions threatening people with sanctions but it isnt coherent and you know. You wouldnt get that impression from Mainstream Media go ahead glenn go ahead and i was just going to say this the theme of. Dominance has been the very central strategic objects about do not a state so. The simplicity that america would be able to increase escalate when it wants and the bring it down so for example if the u. S. Drops bombs in pakistan to syria or in another dozen countries understanding would be that country would not be allowed to respond because of the unpredictable and there are devastating consequences from your so they can bring tensions up and down as they want for for pressure now whats interesting with iran is more or less denied this is america cause what they did was they launched their missiles directly at American Military bases and america essentially have to suck it up and accept well this is the price we have to pay for. For killing yes general in iran so this is so that they rob the americans of this escalation run their business very interesting because if you look at the rainy in response by firing those missiles they were just hitting buildings and store where houses and things like that its sent but that is the message there is that they can do it they cant be stopped and theyre not limited to iraq and i think that is the strategic message that they were sending nobody in the Mainstream Media the Corporate Media picked up on that well and that is the city i asked in my introduction what has changed that has changed and policymakers in washington if they have any kind of horse sense at all have to take that on board go ahead well i slightly disagree with you on Corporate Media because this is what i read in the New York Times. Sports was well was a well calibrated measure but for the 1st time is that just being anti trump exactly ok fine so this isnt the 1st time in 10 years that they agree with and maybe the wrong reason for going for their own reasons because actually what we saw was you know the no calls have shown their obvious site you know during the obama years and during this russian gate in ukraine gate investigations we have seen that ugly side of the liberal interventionists they started the war in libya they started the war in syria they started basically started the war in ukraine now we see the ugly side of the neocons i mean they havent been cancelled i hope by the new brilliant interventionist we saw it and what i think was more stable was basically of the moral side of it all i mean tom given an interview to fox news they asked him why did you do it why did you kill general sorting mine and what are your facts you know and trump responds i believe it could have been a good round to see who would have i believe i did grew to be in foreign business i believe if we could have been military bases it could have. You know a lot of other things but suddenly he was gone well this is thinkin im sorry or Oscar Pistorius you know that soul surfer can this lead who killed his daughter and shooting her from a bottle because he thought it could have been in court or see it could have been roberts but pistorius was on trial for that and mr crump instead of based on trial gets britneys from the wall street journal though you know we have the article there which says. Are we seeing a regen survival of trumps 40 portas see if thats the headline any imagine. If you could you know alex it seems to me and ill just be kind of more blunt here i think the assassination of the money was an act of desperation because theres a lack of imagination in how to move forward because essentially the u. S. Is going to be find itself isolated in its frame friendly country iraq instead of fighting isis or put making sure it doesnt come back its going to have to worry about the shia militias firing upon them and their bases i mean i think this doesnt make any sense to me as something was started and have no idea how its going to end go ahead alex well this is good this is correct because of course the United States as i think has become very clear now seriously underestimate if you do run what then they pulled out of the j. C. Way when they imposed all these sanctions on the thing that iran would on the very quickly come to the negotiating table all that the government there would rapidly collapse because of massive bore you to protests nothing like that has happened the european allies have shown that theyre not very keen on this whole crisis distract all they werent consulted it is the United States in this situation which is looking increasingly are isolated even the saudis even the israelis were not particularly ignore it. Andrus thing out that was one of the questions i sent out to you guys is that there was it was really relatively quiet in the region as this all is going on ok because again the demonstration effect of the the the attack on the saudi. Energy installations sent a message and everyone else has been taking that on board except for some neo cons in washington d. C. You want to get in a just a small you know it all started with the United States born being a base or sharing militias in iraq and then mr trump got very angry about demonstrations near the American Embassy in the United States about it but we hear from c. B. S. From c. B. S. From david martin their correspondent that i called these shared militias are part of the Iraqi Security force and there were 25 People Killed there imagine some foreign country. You know a base of u. S. National guard kielce 25. 00 people and then theyre dismayed that theyre going to have to states citizens are staging a demonstration in their embassy you know and these demonstration it was von percent all d war the ukrainian nazis did during their mind on protests they set on fire 10 buildings there and people and killed 38 policemen this is how the war started put in didnt start that it started in kiev but now there were just a few storms thrown their gate of the embassy the current of their. Green zone you know and the Iraqi Security force did not react why because plenty of 5 of their colleagues were killed you know its interesting you know. I was watching how mike pompei of the secretary of state was reacting to all this and they dont want any kind of questioning of their i was going to say strategy but there is no strategy the way i can see it i mean it looks quite empty in vacuous and they dont really have a reason it seems that this is the goal and it seems to me they did. The nation is merely because they could do it not that was made any strategic sense no i agree and i think they kind of walked themselves into this difficult position because the the mainland. Legitimacy behind this would be they call them a terrorist and again then this is killed terrorists and its probably the most fundamental individual in the region that actually pushed isis back but its going to show the problem of demonizing iran because you know already a few months ago they recognized that the revolutionary guard a Military Branch in iran is a terrorist organization and then by definition the leader of the solar money they define him as a terrorist now once you start throwing this words around terrorist calling foreign leaders Foreign Terrorists now youre opening for you having this legitimate socalled legitimate. Interest in us is legitimizing that why cant a rand do that is well its been legitimized. Exactly. And the kind of language that youll just you know it could have been for emphasis and then suddenly hes gone you know it was ascribed to study and then he said there is a man there is a problem there is no man there is no problem no one cant start in saying that publicly but truong is basically saying that both that part were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news stay with arkie. Believed ponder that future and look into 2020 what bassam naming stories on our way there are often said on this show that you cant have capitalism without Capital Capital that positive registration encouraging people to. Say and this next story this next whole show this next entire segment is going to be dedicated to this very notion. Seemed wrong. But old rules just dont hold. Any old belief yet to shape out this day comes to educate and in games from an equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. The world is driven by a dream shaped by. The day or thinks. We dare to ask. The mind is in my. Brain to have a time about what it was it was a bit. More about. What we were doing this i dont. See that im going to gain but im before putting. Them by the. Body im not obama. Welcome back to cross talk were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle time to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to alex in london you know alex like this this 10 day. Fiasco that we all went through. A lot of war jitters and whatnot and a lot of exaggeration in the media and misinformation disinformation thats why we do programs like this but theres one problem out there that is not resolved then is going to be increasingly. More difficult to resolve and that is the u. S. Military presence in iraq now trump is been threatening iraq with sanctions making you have to pay for these bases while the u. S. In its allies in baited in 2003 illegally i dont see why the iraqis have to pay one cent as a matter fact an apology is due also we have threats that the new York Fed Bank may withhold cash reserves that are held on behalf of iraq and if im not mistaken in the in the tune of 3000000000. 00 i mean is this how you treat an ally i mean dont you go shade in top with a now i not threaten thats how you resolve issues or maybe that is something no one void in this administration when it comes to Foreign Policy go ahead alex well this is absolutely shocking behavior because those troops those american troops in iraq are supposed to be there at the invitation of iraq if iraq asks for them to go they should go in fact it seems that the United States not only wants them to stay it is prepared to put coercive pressure and you talked about this attempt to stalk you iraq axis banking facilities in order to force them to stay that is not the action of an outline that is the action of an occupier of a country that is trying to occupy iraq for its own purposes in order to conduct walls against other countries namely iran with which iraq is on good terms and which iraq needs to be on good terms with so it is all for behavior and of course it is extremely unwise and very dangerous behavior because increasingly iraqis at every level of society who are already very angered by the experiences of 1st the war and occupation at their current treat but also the crew. It is history of sanctions that the United States imposed on iraq are now increasingly going to start seeing the United States and its military on that territory is not the solution to their problems but theres a problem you know yeah i mean as glenville it glenn it seems to me we have to remind our viewers that in the 1980 s. Iran and iraq want an 8 year war something akin to like trench warfare in the 1st world war it was bloody it was awful it was destructive. And now we have this illegal invasion of iraq and the net outcome of that is that iraq has moved closer to iran a country that they fought a bloody war for 8 years. Doesnt the american stance actually than in push forward a better iraqi iran relationship because you know the trumpet ministration say were going to leave and part of the conditions is that we want everyone else to leave everyone should get out of iraq i think you could sell that idea the i think a lot of iraqis would go for it i think the majority of iraqis would like to see all foreign troops all foreign opera operatives leave but the way the trumpet ministration is playing it works to irans advantage again. And all of it in 2003 and 4. 00 after the invasion and we saw that to. That. With a sudden same gone a future shia dominated iraq would increasingly align itself closely with iran and of course overcome their troubled history now i think. Theres been a one of the unintended consequence of killing some of money as well now the iraqis are asking americans to leave iraq because of course they dont want to be battlefield for the in the middle of or so so. Yes the there they play this and then a very very bad way and of course this will be a big strategic victory for the iranians because they would like the americans to leave the middle east iraq would of course be. Highest priority in terms of where they should leave syria next yes of all obviously so i think well i do sympathize with the goal though to get like you mentioned get them on out of iraq and i think what middle east really needs is a proper Security Architecture and now i think the problem there is i think this more interested in conceptualizing Security Architecture like we do in europe where we establish a military alliance for example against russia now i think they want to recreate something similar in the middle east now Security Architecture should include iran once excluded then we have the european system or its targeting another state and then security becomes defined very much since there are some terms ok but you didnt used the word ill use it nato they want to get you know the navy bring up an air of nato or even expanding nato to include arab countries which i think is kind of interesting as nobodys mentioned if israel should be part of that i think thats an interesting no wrinkle we would have to work on but you know this idea of an arab nato has been floated before but nobody in the region seems to be particularly interested in tromp said that he said you know i am quoting him we can use nato in other locations for example in the middle east like liberal interventionists have been on it withdrawn for all these years saying that he did not respect his european allies you know he thought there germany was no plane and off no drop of seen you know these european guys that use this medium least you know we can expect there but isnt that. Table. Has been occupied the americans have a civil war that killed according to various estimates about ive heard any good men you know on television citing physicians for peace who see it could be up to london media and People Killed in the rock as a result of that Chain Reaction from the American Intervention in 2003. 1000000 People Killed and now mr trump is seeing you all last one clearly. All the money that we spent on the war in iraq you with iraq youre going to or us but also as other interesting point is that i think in the rockaways see how liberal interventionists and now of course in the United States how the miscalculated to both democracy they had been warned that the majority in iraq is basically shaded more slips so if if you introduce democracy there bro you raney an audience would get would win you know that it was obvious but still you know george bush doing in and others the press to have you know they had elections and now theyre on paper that iran has influence well of course iran has influence and there are some parts in the rock which support doing in presence because they need it against the socalled Islamic State the true lies are on there so when youre a vehicle and and also iran is religiously close to them we had the same story in ukraine why is ukraine a dictatorship no because if you have do more prosy the pro russian and the eastern candidate wins as it was the case with kuchma win over kraft to work with the young record which actually beaten you going the 1st all astroland over elections so low with the zelinsky of having a landslide against against portugal so this idea that we need democracy thats incredibly creepy and we do not have translated into policy ok this go back to our next hero me i think its really quite fascinating that you know the europeans and the country should get more involved in the middle east why would they want to do that because it turned into its richard backwater in a quagmire but i guess thats what trump really wants he wants other people to do his dirty work for him and not just his i mean prime previous administrations as well i mean it really shows a lack of Strategic Vision i mean want to leave the middle east Problem Solved and we solved for the United States and let the people in the region for. Your doubt because thats the only way its ever going to be figured out go ahead well thats absolutely right and i think that in europe the hunt deer expanding nato or sending nato troops to the middle east is absolutely horrifying to most people i mean speaking here in gross that there would be massive opposition. In germany where it was proposed some time ago by the current German Defense minister that they send troops to syria to act as a peacekeeping force when the u. S. Pulling out the you know what horrified at the whole notion the europeans would be appalled European Public would be appalled by such a thing it seemed to me frankly that this is just trump again trying to find a way saving face pulling u. S. Troops out of the middle east without at the same time surrendering all appearing to surrender to the you to the middle east and so he turns to his nato allies who are of course not interested it proves again exactly the point you made at the start of the program that there is no real Strategic Thinking behind all of this was a quickly say ideas of setting up arab and arab nato they go all the way back to the 1950s those of us with memories or knowledge of the history of the region you know there was the baghdad pact yet of the 950 s. What do you do it provoked a revolution in iraq because the people as a region dont want it its extraordinary how the u. S. Instead of learning from its mistakes always seems to repeat them you know the strength of the critics are gonna turn from the left im actually from on the right as well i think of some writers on the website the american conservative is it 3 years in if the ministry in election looming is that trump has not dreamed the swamp pieces actually. Taken it over hes running it now thats a little bit over the last. 10 days so really show that going you know i agree and again the key attraction for many of to vote for trump is again this this idea that he would pull them out of the wars now is interesting that. They did this discrepancy between the American Leadership and the people because every kind of election has had the same following like bush he won after clinton because it promised america would not be a global policeman to be in tunisia to build a new nation with nation building then you had the obama he wanted change the new peace candidate the new trump he promised you know were going to pull us out of the middle east and all of this foreign conflicts its going to be america 1st they get now he seems to be doubling down as well the whole see taking on iran is just if there were where do you go who would who to vote for its so i think this this might cost lection its interesting its kind of how it plays out of the. Last 25 seconds go to you well its amazing that probably one of the good things about it all is that for the 1st time in many years democrats are speaking out against the wars vali nasr of all the ages of the New York Times the person who supported the interventions in the in ukraine and you this why their son says youre a new son nationalists a new war with the United States they would see as forced on them as a fight with the bully well thats true but the only problem is why did he cave like my god he said before that it never would have been said if it wasnt for the individual sitting in the white house it shows how everything is warped. Politics because of one man and your perception of a match all the time we have gentlemen here many thanks my guests here in moscow and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Tyson nation full of unity. 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