Pillow and welcome to crossfire things are considered im Peter Lavelle up until recently politics were about policy preferences and ways to implement them but is not the case today your political views are now what define you as a person and there is a moral dimension bias against those who are not politically correct is the last acceptable form of discrimination this is the end of politics. Crosslinking political intolerance im joined by my guest kevin chavez in washington hes managing part. Of the chavez group as well as former president of d. C. Young democrats also in washington we have crisper hes a political analyst and iraq war veteran also in raleigh we cross to ryan he is the national cochair and founder of students for trump card gentlemen crosslike rules in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate ok kevin im going to go to you 1st because youre on the odd man out i want to make that clear im going to make sure that you get equal time on this program because i always welcome different opinions have any and in my introduction here i said that you know the last bias that is politically that is acceptable is discrimination against people because of their political views i mean that is on steroids right now and i think that is very its terrible for our political discourse im sure i would disagree with you on many many points but im welcoming you on this program and im i actually im very interested in what you have to say because i dont see that in the National Media much anymore go ahead kevin why is this the case where i think you know what youre referring to is the fact that people who are so used to consuming the media that they want to consume or theyre sort of validates their personal beliefs that theyre not really open to hearing other sides but i think when we call it discrimination i think that is probably not the right word because in what way is a stopping you from from living a certain quality of life its not like Racial Discrimination or gender based discrimination or Something Like that so i would use that term to describe the fact that people are so polarized that i have no question that dont you think kevins gotten worse how many liberals are work for it work for c. N. N. I mean thats the bias im talking about let me go to chris now in washington that is biased against people and that creates this polarization and to be fair on the other side there is a lot of conservatives that work for fox and lets be fair here go ahead chris. Thats thats true peter but i think fox has actually gotten a little more balanced with having liberal hosts and having a lot of liberals on the network with very. Different points of view but i think united agree about the word were discrimination but lets not lose sight of the point how is it infringing on peoples life i mean kevin if youve been watching people blocking traffic getting crazy spitting on veterans outside of the inauguration which i experience and trying can attest to this to so many young republicans in this country and hes done so much work mobilizing young republicans across the country on campuses in the College Environment look at whats happening in our campuses how vile and how hateful people are and a friend of mine who was punched in the face at berkeley and was assaulted for being a republican so you know i mean i think things have gotten a little bit a little bit out of control and i do think that not being able to hear that other side and have that sort of conceptual discussion which has got out of control is a problem you know im ryan and you have a lot of experience in this here i mean i guess i portray my age im the oldest one here but you know how being different points of view was good and people respected you know ways like it but now youre demonized toward and youre considered evil and that comes mostly from one direction i would point out here that is a real problem with our body politic and our National Conversation because if youre deemed evil then theres no its not worth listening to you thats how bad its gotten go ahead ryan right so im 23 years old and you know ive only been in politics for a short period of time and ive traveled this country to many different universities and ive seen the conversation happening there and its a very hyper partisan one never in my life have i seen this kind of partisanship where if you were a conservative or youre worrying that red make America Great again hat have you ever been so targeted you know we see an teef up which the democrats are barely wanting to denounce burn down buildings attack people results of physical violence we saw with any known washington we see multiple videos recently of turning point usa chapters having. Their tables vandalized in broad daylight students getting attacked milkshakes being thrown on people with cement in them you know people need to get back to living their lives its not that deep people do not need to go out and attack people for their viewpoints conservatives of some of the most persecuted people in todays day and age simply because of a man who says that he just wants to make America Great again and in the proof is in the put it you see a great economy see a booming economy see jobs coming back to the country you see high g. D. P. You see the lowest unemployment rates ever you see trade the us and see a deal which the democrats are failing to push through the house right now you see many things so i think that we need to get back to working for the country stop focusing on an impeachment which they know is going to go nowhere in Work Together ok kevin i mean reflective on some of the things weve already heard on this program here i mean ol give you my opinion again and like you to react to it its just that it seems like to me many people on the left dont want to have a debate they dont want to have a conversation they just know that they are right in very often i will say and i feel this very strongly they think that theyre morally superior to people that they disagree with thats not the art of politics is it go ahead kevin. I would agree there shouldnt be the way the politics is conducted but ill say you know in response to your question some of the points raised earlier that when you talk about conservatives being persecuted which is which i think is kind of funny on a College Campus where yes because a lot of College Campuses and College Towns are mainly liberal most urban areas are liberal but if i were to go in an obama shirt to you know rural texas or arizona or somewhere like that im sure id get persecution to who knows what could happen to me there are some places i still wouldnt want to be caught in america after dark or bob us off not knowing. Or i am so we have to put that in the context to it depends on where you are because you know were seeing them. Has gotten to a point where the cities are mainly liberal and then in the suburbs as well but then rural areas are of course deep red areas that candid like donald trump has been able to dominate so yes i will agree that on twitter and in particular social media people that are democratic or liberal leaning do tend to talk down sometimes to conservatives or technically morally here i think you hit on certain issues were going to have name tags if you think thats an understatement you know 10 to no i think its an all out war chris let me go to you i mean this is a cultural war is well you know looking down on the fly over states you know and even the fact that we call them fly over states is so demeaning ok that theres some now less than the coasts ok and i think a lot of people in the fly over country feel that way thats why they voted the way they voted in 2016 it has a lot to do with that cultural dimension and a moral dimension i would say go ahead chris. Well i welcome everyones thoughts on this but i wanted to point out one particular point and that is when youre discussing politics especially if youre someone thats in politics or in the news or in policy in the states or really anywhere is when youre when youre talking to someone is more left of center especially in the age of President Trump being in the white house being you know leading the executive branch theres a sort of qualification right where its like you have to qualify to pass their test and i think the term for it is virtue certainly right in todays politics where its kind of like well and you have to earn your way and how many discussions have you had or is ryan had where youre done with the discussion and then did they just run off they never wanted to hear your point of view they didnt care about your point of view all they care about is power and for 8 years when president obama was president i actually work with the white house on Veterans Issues at the time i didnt vote for president obama i would have preferred to have a republican candidate but you know what he was a president to work with if the President Trumps been there for 3 years you think hes been there for 3 decades the way these people behave because for them peter its about power they dont have it they want it and theyre nasty and its not equal i have not seen it be equal ive seen republicans and campuses and instead of just saying you know what i denounce it its always the what about ism and everyone should stop the what about islam i dont think thats a good thing in general but it is really bad to the point where you get threats you get people doing all these kinds of things and really i think we need to take a step back and not do it but i would agree with ok you know maybe you know it is an understatement you know its really do need to ryan here and im going to take a step back ok but ryan the question is whos 1st is going to take the step back you know i would say that but i would say you 1st ok because youre the one thats the most aggressive ok you take a step back id be more than happy to do it what do you think about that ryan go ahead. You know i wanted to respond to to kevins initial point on my comment about conservatives being persecuted you know i think its very important to mention if you look at these examples on College Campuses you see you know conservative speakers all across the country getting disinvited lawsuits that happen a u. C. Berkeley because the students didnt want those speakers there are a select group or select group of people at the top didnt want these certain speakers to come to this university and in order for them to even come to speak there to be a lawsuit about it you know the same thing applies with this impeachment stuff thats going on right now they know they cannot be donald trump they tried it with russian collusion they tried it with a recession they try to would Stormy Daniels they know they cant beat him so their next scandal is this impeachment inquiry and they know they cant do it you know i you know when we look at this country and how far weve come since the election they wanted to impeach this guy since hes taken office you know chris made a very good point you know our country at this point in time we need some unity we need people to get together but that i you know on the other hand i look at i say you know well you know this is a republican you know theres probably never much so unity just. Because of the fabric but one of the most important pieces here is that conservatives you know they want to have their voice heard they want to have an opinion they want to have a debate they want to have a discussion but you the left is constantly shown in that shutting them down they dont want to hear their opinion they dont want to talk to them they dont have a debate i can have a discussion i mean they want to attack them let me just jump in here lets go and i want to go back to kevin your last 25 seconds before we go to the break i want you to reply go ahead. You know why i would just say that you know i think that both sides are guilty of doing this i mean i interact with people on twitter i make a lot of appearances on fox news and conservative networks and when i appear i get the name calling and the sort of low blows that people throw i think both sides do it and i agree i think we all agree that it really isnt healthy but its just where we are now because things are so polarized and weve got to figure out how to to get back to being able to debate without those tactics will god bless you were going to hopefully we well were going to go to a short break gentlemen after a short break well continue our discussion on political intolerance stay with r. T. The was the but if she won you post the ballot than i did the dishes at the bazemore those g. s new speech that she me you blew truth. About that when you guys e. T. S. In the news i mean that so that infants involved. A lot of. Fuzzy fights and 2 kids each other both sides. As in the adams to me as if. God knows that 5 days of doing the same. Thing he. Knew. Would. Put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. So when you. And the president. Himself wanted. To do it right this is what the. 3 of them would be that. Interested in the. Welcome back to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle were discussing political intolerance. Ok lets go back to chris in washington just recently nancy pelosi the speaker of the house called donald trump an illegitimate president. Thats a doorstopper because it invalidates the entire electoral process the decision of the people in 2016 and again i want to be tolerant i mean i was brought up liberal im a conservative but i was brought up in a very liberal environment where you supposed to listen to everybody with politeness and respect but i we here we have one of the highest officials in the land. Saying the vote of over 60000000 people i mean how do you talk about being divisive i mean that is that is so irresponsible and it what it does is that it doesnt ask for dialogue it is doing just the opposite go ahead chris. Well its true i mean you know if you look back at what the speaker said before the election she just said donald trump will not be president take to the bank i mean i hope you didnt take that check to the bank because it didnt clear it bounced like a basketball. Theyre upset that they didnt win i mean thats what its about its about power its been about power and i think that its really that simple and i think to some extent Speaker Pelosi has a tough job because shes trying to balance this insane left wing side of the caucus and mainstream democrats that still want to oppose a president thats very vibrant and so its shes just trying to kind of keep that coalition in order but i do think that its its become cliche i mean i almost think from a from an electoral standpoint that democrats republicans will be better off if they keep with these sort of cliches of illegitimate this that resist all that i mean theyre going to have another term of president to go nuts about ok kevin react to what chris just said there its really a problem in your in your party because not only are conservatives demonized and i will stay with the word demonized but you guys have a lot of internal strife you know you have your radio sees in the squad and then you have you know theyre your bidens and you know in all honesty and i think objectively its fair to say he kind of is kind of bumbling along i mean theres a lot of problems within the Democratic Party as well and i think the same kind of you know political virus of this correctness you guys have more to worry about than the rest of us go ahead kevin. Well i would agree with that because that we have more to worry about because i think generally the Democratic Coalition socalled Obama Coalition tends to be a little bit more diverse and encompasses a lot more. You know people of different backgrounds different beliefs so it is tough i do think that when palosi talks about you know president be illegitimate that doesnt help i mean yes he lost the popular vote but he won he won the Electoral College thats the system we have in place i think what shes referring to is probably some of the tactics the campaign used in working with wiki leaks and roger stone and some of his associates whove sort of may have broken laws to get it done but he won and they did win and i think theres so many people on my party that do have what trump calls trump derangement syndrome t. D. s that is left is real and i think anything sometimes sets people off and weve got to be able to get beyond that i i really i really compliment you for saying that youre a man of great character to say that because thats obvious. Ryan you want to jump in go ahead. No i agree with kev it is the 1st time in a while it agreed with a democrat in the conversation but no i commend you for that the Democratic Party has a lot of self reflection theres a lot of things if they want to have a chance in this election theyve got to look at who they have running for office right now i mean you have a guy you know joe biden who you know he says its a speech impediment ive talked to a friend it was a speech impediment he says about 80 to 90 percent of the time when joe biden speaking where he just stops and halts its not speech impediment he literally is just trying to find the words to say he doesnt know what to say i mean this video that just came out about him loving kids jumping on his lap and having hairy legs or Something Like that isnt helping anything and this guy this guys the front runner. Of what they got going on over there so i mean you know you really have to think you know when you put your cards in a deck here and you look around what you got you dont have much and so impeachment to them is like theyre their Golden Ticket to winning this election you know theyve become so divisive they have about 6 or 7 maybe even 10 sacks of this party all with differing views you know i really do believe that socialists have infiltrated this party you see with a 0 c. U. Z. With stacy abrams you know you see all around the country that theyre bracing this terrible ideology its not going to help them theyre going so far left you know imagine the spectrum theyre walking off the spectrum theyre falling down you know its really incredible you know republicans are trying to stay united here under this common goal of reelecting Donald Trump Holding the judiciary defeating impeachment keeping a Strong Economy i say good luck to them you know youre not going to beat an incumbent who has an economy like this who has done so much to to withhold or to help bring conservative judges over 170 conservative judges now theres so much to like about the guy and i think many republicans are going to get past some of those things you know such as the tweets of the rallies. If they dont really care for them much because theyre seeing what hes doing for the country and at the end of the day thats all that matters you know chris i mean one of the things kind of staying with this theme of intolerance and i think another variant of it is is this changing the rules i mean lets get rid of the Electoral College i mean well leaks lets have a conversation about it ok im willing to discuss it im willing to listen to different points of view lets pack the court why give me an explanation why because you dont get what you want i mean the left historically the last 50 years when theyve gotten is through the judiciary system not through the executive and not through congress its been through the courts now if you you want to pack the court look at what happened to f. D. R. A very very popular president here my point in bring this up this is another form of intolerance if you dont want to play by the rules that have been are of longstanding and known to everyone and if you cant when you want to change the rules you want to move the goalposts i dont like that thats a form of intolerance against our institutions go ahead chris. Well i was going to some of the reference peter that you got i mean that happened before right with the Court Packing and those sorts of things and we moved away from that i think in the end its ironic because the constitution is actually everyones best friend because it gives you a set of rules to play the next game right so the idea is not to abolish the Electoral College the idea is to get a better candidate and i think kevin does a good analysis ive seen kevin i believe i saw him in a recent fox news segment about this similar topic and i think it was actually about the biden but heres the interesting thing i think the real issue now is finding a better candidate i think joe biden is actually a nice guy ive met him i think from a candid sand point hes just sort of like the guy they think has the best chance of winning but why not just tell the truth and just say you know what weve got some questions about the president s phone call we really hate him we really want to get him out of there so i want to get him on something but whats to fund the fact 100. 00 biden has a certain degree the guy with got paid 3000000. 00. For no work so the question becomes why was he given that opportunity lets think about that for a 2nd because they want something so that is called a conflict of interest why not just say you know what that is a stone cold conflict of interest and joe bidens not being honest lets talk about it and lets talk about Everything Else in their own context but the democrats their back is against the wall theyre get rocked and they dont really know what to do going into 2020 so you know i think that theyre just theyre out of cards i mean theyre trying to overturn our whole our whole country system its not going to work theyre going to lose and i cant wait to see it again ok kevin the the argument over arching argument that is made. By conservatives when it lean dealing with them in crowds is that you cant win by the current rules so you want to change them you cant beat trump so you want to try to win ph him or damage him as it were but isnt this fixation on trump doesnt it just damage the country it has this guys teflon havent you figured that out yet i mean i think that you know its damaging to institutions and to the average person all this fixation on this man that loves your attention and hell wind you up 247 and he does it in purposely he resides in the left brain and he manipulates it cant she see that cant you see to get away with him that he cant run free thank you go ahead kevin. Right not think of i mean you are right that he sort of his strong suit is getting in opponents head and sort of driving them crazy and not giving them a chance to sort of think clearly but you know i have to say this idea about were trying to change the rules by getting rid of the Electoral College is sort of ridiculous because weve been talking about trying to get rid of before trump its not just about trump its about the fact that vote for someone in a state with a smaller population means more than someones vote. In a state with with with more people i mean it should be one person one vote why are we the country. And how all numbers are going since theres already ruling in the senate its go ahead chris jump in no its just i understand what kevin saying but remember in the house its its majority rule so you have more electoral votes and more votes in the house so a state like new york has more power but in the small states its the power equalizer the connecticut compromise which is saying look its going to the same power its beautiful the reason its there is because you have to win the cultural us of a and remember you if you guys would have spent time in the right states you would have won you lost you know last period and just accept that and get a better argument about the electoral. You have been ok hang on the problem is when you lose half of the no one would have an interim one that kevin kevin but the implicit are good when you. Guys go make the implicit implicit point in in changing this is that it will. Theres a better likelihood that you would win and thats why you want to change it its not out of principle its because you want to win last minute to be fair on this program goes to kevin go ahead kevin. Well ted but it is about fairness because think about if the Electoral College was abolished you would just focus on 5 or 6 states youd be focused on getting every vote out getting to everybody because right now you know that ok there are certain states that are foregone conclusions and certain candidates wont even spend time there if youre democrat why even go to the socalled fly over states or for republican wives waste time in california but if theres no Electoral College one person one vote it encourages candidates to get in front of everybody republicans know that all of their candidates would be dead on arrival so the popular vote we saw Hillary Clinton get 3000000 more votes than donald trump thats why theyre fighting to keep the Electoral College lets not act like thats not what this is about here but the fairest system and people been making this argument for decades would be to go to just the popular vote winning we do that with every other race. Ok well it went again lets say you that is a procedural issue but youre looking at the democrats are looking at power and so they want to change the nature of college because it will be a blue country for a very long time squeezing out the red a topic for another Program Thanks to my guests many thanks to my guests in washington and in raleigh and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r. T. C. The next time and remember. Reality has mandates of its own that go beyond what our wishes and preferences are. And our utopian visions maybe were going to get a new deal but it may not be the Green New Deal that people are expecting will get the Green New Deal that we have we deserve rather think we are going to get a Green New Deal because the Green New Deal in compas is things beyond just straight infrastructure healthcares in that new deal there are other elements if you go back 20 started in 2006 that we are going to get and that are popular in this country. Should seem wrong. But. 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