Be similarities some things are the same but theyll be the b. Distinctions theyll be very distinct things that are that are clearly different from another and so another way to say that is we all living life through a very unique lens and that lens is created the language its in the now what of that youre telling yourself and you tell other people and and i think its important for people to Pay Attention to how theyre describing the lives and what theyre narrative as we are also the products of our conditioning life conditioning and i think the only difference really is that some people recognize and sometimes even break free of that automated behavioral pattern something that you call to on after yourself and others get semantic in those patterns and till theyre totally sapphic hated what was your personal jolt out of these throttle south patchy ation mind less south perpetuation mostly in our lives we can only see the circumstances when we look at whats going on around us and we dont really have a sense that we are shaping them you dont really realize how much for shape and so was a number of years ago there are realized that my particular model a ship with my mom was a really it would explain it by similar as her you know she does what she does. And really what was happening was she was doing what she was doing and i was then some kind of story or narrative about death like i was i was describing what that meant to me and so i had this really like toddy. But but can a disconnected relationship for my mom like it was really constrained and when to realize what i was doing to this relationship and id spent my whole life by the way talking about what she was doing to this relationship once i realize what i always do until it thats when it started to crack open for me its a very touching story i heard your describe it in one of the interviews and you said an interesting thing that your mom being at tufts scottish lady and that she expressed her allow through criticizing you im pointing out things that were wrong about what you were doing and i found it very similar to the russian culture as well and i think many people misunderstand that criticism could also be a form off if not love then the care you have a choice and it doesnt seem like you have a choice there are things that happen and why start or not fair there are things i opened and fight not right. And but but where do you choose to kennedy look at that from is ultimately how that thing will play out in your life and i chose to look at my mom as somebody who didnt approve of me and didnt think i was good enough i didnt realize until much later of that well what if all of these criticisms were to keep me on and line what if all of these criticisms were designed for me to turn out in a way that she thought i could or or perhaps should make it ness life and it was then that i started to get that she raised me with the tools that she had and that i growing up are criticised those myself i was criticizing her but then i started to kind of get a glimpse of who she is as a human being now speaking about this process of sort of human unfolding one of the things you write about the law that beach resonates a lot with me is that we are all born as a as essentially a factual of beings and that all over the course of our lives have we become narrow where. How much control do you think people have over this process and i dont think you have any control over the process of who youve become i think you have a massive say and recognizing that at some point your life like who youve become and start me to live your life beyond those constraints so what i mean by that well some people have become very senekal some people have become way too positive where the ignore all the problems in the light so i invite people in really investigate and explore their own ways of being like whats whats available to you as a human being and he started realize well ive turned out this way but that alternatives that are other ways for me to express myself. Its a very interesting thought for me because and the big conflicting thought as well because i heard you say that nobody makes a conscious decision in their adult life to be a jerk and i partially agree with that i think we dont become jerks consciously we are usually made into one through our childhood that usually traumatic childhood experiences but d over once you are grown up you usually do acquire a capacity off at least see who would you like to be what is it what was that process for you a from a jorak to a hero in your own had how did it go i started to see what i was doing to myself like id become this my off peak hardworking stereotypical scottish guy. In you know it wasnt a problem for me and i surely i was like well this is just how i am and fight it was mostly a problem for the people around me. And then i started to can i get in touch with but what else is available for me like you know what else could i be up to in life and one of the things that i saw was i become less and less and less vulnerable less and less and less loving with the people in my life and then again there was points im a wife and i was ok with that. But when i really started to investigate what it was costing me the impact it was having on me and on my marriage and my relationship my kids and my family. I realized that id stop becoming a loving human being and become this driven hard working shut off. And thats when thats when that the sweats went off and i started to started to really take on expanding myself as a human being now they sensual point of all your books is personal responsibility and people having to take on a ship for whats happening to them instead of blaming others which i think psychologically is one of the hardest things to do especially for people with negative self perception because they already have a voice in their had whispering that they are not good enough and trying to sound themselves critically threatens to make that voice even louder or perhaps making it intolerable how do you condition yourself to take on that discomfort of looking straight into the mirror for your own image rather than the reflections of somebody else when if you look at your life if you examine your life youll see its going in a particular direction. And its an illusion to think that that direction will change with some serious and to invention from you know most people think well ill change my job but ill move to a new city or and thatll change my life it wont it will just be you in a different place itll still be you know. One of the things that i started to realize is that the noise in my head as it me im not the voice in my head i have a voice in my head its usually critical. If it was me it would say nice of thanks. It doesnt its a survival mechanism its made is the zine for me to make it and barely make it and this life. So what i started the practice of organizing my life around what i wanted my life to be about even when it conflicted with my internal knowledge its so you know i wrote a book but in my head im not smart enough people like me dont write books but what i held myself to was the action if i keep writing the book the noise is there but then it starts to get a little quiet or something to even disappears sometimes it comes back its really allowed and i started to notice that i could coexist with it while still living a life that went beyond it its interesting you say that because my own method of calming and being at peace with that was is the practice of meditation and holding those emotions good and bad in these bowl internal bowl of awareness but from what i understand youve never practiced meditation you you came up with the old tricks right yeah yeah i dont know if i can sit still long enough to mad to tell you so i know a lot of people love meditating and ive heard great things of but it but ive never practiced it myself but what i am out to do is is just to cannot distinguish the noise in my head and to just let it be i dont have to do enough and with it i dont have to wrestle with it enough to control that enough to make it go away i can just let it be i really view all of us each human being is youre more like a conduit things pass through and when something is passing through if its a negative thought or a negative emotion the more you try and make it go away the more it states the more its here and so i do have this practice of just letting those emotions be those nothing wrong because its theyll they come and they go but what stays consistent is what ive made my life about. Well this is exactly what the practice of meditation is all about and i have to say that a lot of the things you write about in your books living in the moment the spectrum of beings that we all are loving kindness the difference between happiness and success they all seem to come straight from the buddhist teachings and they have in your books you almost never a mansion eastern philosophers and its just. Ironic and very interesting to me that you would serendipitously arrive with what buddhists 2500 years ago i guess thats fixed to the universality of human experience. I think i think that as a set and can a universal truths around as. Off too all too often we can i go north of them because we think well thats got to be more to it than that oh thats got to be more to solving this problem that i am and so we just kind of dive deeper into it but even if you look at it like some of the some of their early 20th century philosophers like heidegger and get dominant hospital you know they spoke of ways of being and ways of acting and and like that can steen in how language ties into our ways of being and acting and im and im sure they were probably influenced by you know some of those more ancient teachings too i want to quote something from you here i am continually observing my 4 letter words starting with ass i observe the observer apart from these 4 letter words this is as buddhist as it can get and what i find very interesting about your work is that you found a new way a new language of bringing these centuries old ideas to the people who normally would not be very interested in is to philosophy. I think i speak to people in a wind which that that they use. My problem with a lot of of similar work and my space or my genre feel like is that it tends to be very very conceptual and people dont want another concept the lives are busy and off theyre overwhelmed theyre stressed they dont they dont want to be can i have to know one some brand new concept so what i find as when i speak to people in my terms and which tends to be kind of everyday terms. How do you. Even manipulate yourself to shift yourself to move their emotions a little and to move some of your actions a little. It so. Its easy to understand and its very powerful well gary we have to take a short break now but we have a back in just a few moments. This is a sticker from the water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the Cocacola Company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that lets tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be blamed for all this waste to company has long promised to reuse the plastic. Thats. A special projects funded. On the. Gulf and now the mountains of waste only grow higher. The world is driven by shaped by one person those. Things. We dare to ask. Welcome back to worlds apart from Gary John Bishop a New York Times bestselling author and coach gary your book your 1st book came out in october of 2016 if im not mistaken and its just. The month before donald trump was elected president of the United States i dont know your political views we dont have to discuss them but what i see is that you both have the said p. L. O. What i would call. New rugged authenticity is what do you think about it do you think theres any overlap between the your audience and some of the people who vote for donald trump i dont know i really dont know you know i have one message on this earth and thats to empower people you know i dont really care what your political view as im here to empower people the one thing that i well say is theres a lot to use in this word authenticity. That its that its a misuse of the word and what people when theyre say an authenticity what theyre really saying is Something Like candor or speaking your mind which i actually dont agree with i think theres a lot of stuff in your mind that youd stay there. Authenticity really is its more about talking about yourself when it comes to that subject its about talking about whats going on with you. And what people of confuse that with is. Voicing their upset voicing their concerns about others and how all those that are impacting them and so i take a slightly different view but as i say im here to empower people period thats well to some extent i think dont know chump also sees himself as somebody empowering people and specific kind of people people who may not perceive themselves as overly intellectual people who may not have the most polished language and im saying that nonjudgmental i think everybody has to be themselves and try to be the best version of themselves they dont have to look a certain way are as you know somebody who thinks that the model is but i guess my question is as somebody who value south and to city a lot have you ever cringed at. How forthcoming are authentic President Trump maybe in the way he expresses himself well i think hes hes representative of a lot of human beings i mean what we think is authentic ultimately turns out to be a facade and nuts im not just im not just pointing that at one person saying its been point its been discussed and studied many many times in fact in youngs teachings you know we are were constantly presenting something to the world that weve been presenting it for so long we relate to it as a real self but if you stop and you and you take some examination youll see youre mostly presenting what you think will protect you and what youre trying to hide from the world which is usually so. Um and security or uncertainty or can a dementation thaw of self and thats thats not just one person and its all human beings are doing some really obvious lee and noticeably but all of that when i heard the say that you know books on not really for the high flyers or the high browed they are for the ordinary folks and there are many speakers who try to appeal to that audience Jordan Peterson from canada would probably be one of the most successful ad the most controversial some people even describe him as the stupid mans smart person i wonder if you have ever felt the same way the stupid smart person. No way thats too much about me and i really dont whatever people think of me as what they think of me i cant really control and thats all all of those sort of observations or from what i would say up in the stands like watching life and i want to get down in the dirt with people i want to. Tell people and what people think of me do when they are not there when the ultimately makes no difference to me you know im bored and to ask that and the person who just lost their job or they just got divorced or d theyve been through a really tough time in life and theyre trying to get out of it or thats my concern im completely organized its my every thought everything i Read Everything i study everything i say i just want to empower people ill leave the opinions off the over his head the reason im asking is because this proverbial a metaphorical stupid man is also a big power its a major commercial opportunity its the people like that ordinary folks who made motivational speakers like tony robbins for example multimillionaires and given how big this industry is today i wonder why do you think there are still so many screwed people around i mean on some level thank you. Thousands of dollars to hear somebody speak is not the most rational decision either its not and its one of the reasons why. A lot of what i do i use a do it for free or really cheap play you know i mean you can do an online course of mine for 20. 00 you know and the course last like 3 hours of sin you work book and you do the work on yourself. You know i look i think specially in our society writes and most societies around the world. You know theres theres a cannot drive to do better that is make more money bigger host better car but usually that dry is too far is to can i satisfy some need with yourself i dont do what i do to satisfy indeed with myself ive done a lot of work on myself i continue to work on myself i know whats going on behind the facade to feel like and i share openly so that i dont i dont become a victim to do it but i but i authentically do what i do it is to empower people i think thats my lifes work you know and i did it when i make no money and i do it now that i make money but but i like to think that personal growth and personal development. You dont need to re mortgage your house to do it you can go on a budget and you can do it with very almost no money you know you can go online and you tube and the some great resources are there for people to empower themselves and make significant change in the logs let me ask you about them that brought a question about the industry and i want to quote with ken stein again because. He was once said that the biggest difficulty in philosophy is to say no more than we know and i think thats a major challenge for many of the life coaches because they. I think then though theyre always on this both with themselves and that their audience is they often try to over project confidence to over and over solve the wisdom can you always spot the fakery of their i mean then how do you go about it with your own lives because at the end of the day you also have to pay the bills i never go and invest business to make money i really didnt i really got to me authentically to help people because someone had done that with me ive done work and ive done courses and i experienced the difference that it made for me and i just wanted to get it to other people now i know that this is a senekal world i know people look guys like me in the look in for the saying you know like yeah but what about you know you drive on a car and i bet you you know all the other stuff which is fine you know its people are going to do that anyway. But youre right there are people who do this and its a career move and i would say thats a big mistake i think its a big mistake to get to make your life be a boat others but really its about you. And. You know over the law its all parties in this life and of of lots of people come to me and offered me opportunities to do this thing or that thing with my bulk or do and i dont i wont do one because. You know im selling out on what this is really all about so anybody who ever comes to work with me at any partnerships that i do know its always its always going to be about how many people can we help and how can we do it and how can we make it is broadly accessible as possible and if it doesnt fulfill own that criteria are those needs then i wont know what ok well i dont know if you had a very interesting life to check through from being a musician to a live coach and now a bestselling author where do you see yourself moving nags and can you confidently say that you have dogs that work to you on after yourself and when ever deemed that process complete yeah no its not a death to answer the last part its not a destination its a its once you realize what it takes to cannot unstick yourself then what youre looking at is new and unfolding ways to get access to that freedom isnt a particular space its new realms of freedom new dimensions of freedom what what im doing now with my wife 10 years ago i couldnt of im i get it and im still in the process of whats next and whats next then whats next but not to get there but rather to can i bring up vibrancy to the life that ive got all you know i live my life looking at the future but im but im not pining for it the future informs and live in the life of go and thats what i want people to get when people get that you can live an inspired life you cant see me right now but im wearing a t. Shirt. With a side that sass its time for new dreams and i wonder what i know b. S. Guy like yourself think thinks about new dreams do you find them helpful in and what is life im sorry for using the expletive finally yeah you got to bleep out one but yeah. I do think dreams are important for human beings. But you cant get so wrapped up in them that that you sacrifice the present the present as your life this is where its happening and so i like to look at things like dreams and aspirations for the future as being the kinds of things that that inspire you to get up off your seat today that that inspires your life today. Other than now if you dont if you if the dreams you have on impacting the life you currently have then youve got to let them go theyre not serving you well gary i do think that you found a new language wart talking about things that are eternal in nature and im sure many of our viewers feel 5 your books fascinating in the meantime thank you very much for being with us today thank you and thanks for having me our viewers can keep this conversation going in our social media pages to ask for me and the team we hope to see her again same place same time on the worlds apart. I had a spiritual experience. And i had the little girl that died in the fire cynthia collins. A 5 year old son. Were looking for a kidney reaching. 54 years old and 21 years on good role model. For a crime i didnt commit. I only knew that he was innocent doesnt read the rumors that nobody but. You know your. Trial was pretty much a farce. We already had him guilty before the trial. Nobody. Not. God. 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