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Hello and welcome to cross talk were all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle the partisan impeachment process against donald trump continues apace the framers of the constitution warned impeachment of the chief executive was an extreme remedy are the democrats in the Corporate Media trivializing the impeachment process are they tempting to short circuit democracy itself. Ross talking impeachment im joined by my guest john karr dello in West Palm Beach hes the host of america talks live on t. V. In baltimore we have wendy yourself oh she is a professor and political commentator and in seattle we cross the collar he is an author and media analyst ari cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate as one of my rules on this program i go to the 1st the person 1st i got up for this program and that is john ok so john let me go to you i said in my introduction to basic things here ok the trivializing of what is really all about and short circuiting democracy because i think the 2 these are the 2 broadest concepts that are being in play right now and theyre part of the same thread here because im not a Political Animal i eat and live survive off of politics and i cant even get through these hearings because i dont know what theyre talking about i dont think they know what theyre talking about ok i mean and i want to be respectful to wendy because when hes the odd person out here and shes going to have ample amount of time to defend her position here go ahead john. Well look the entire process is illegitimate they always say when a president impeached theres going to be an asterix in the history books next to their name in this case is going to be an asterisk next to impeachment because it was an illegitimate process this is a coup in plain sight peter thats all this is 1st it was russia collusion they couldnt prove that it was a quid pro quo they couldnt prove that then it was obstruction of justice they couldnt prove that that it was bribery they couldnt prove that then it was extortion they couldnt prove that so then they trumped up no pun intended fabricated these new charges abuse of power that they say oh its a catch all and obstruction of congress which is proposed to wrist i thought it was the executive the presidency is a coequal yet a coequal branch of congress you can obstruct your coequal branch by taking hold on by taking subpoenas to the courts the other coequal branch this is a coup that todd thats why the Republican Senate is going to dismiss that its dead on arrival or theyre going to vote to acquit quickly and the American People are sick of it thats why donald trump is now beating every democrat in a head to head match up especially in swing states even though the polls are averaging a plus 6 democratic over sample ok wendy i think most people are in agreement i mean even the most liberals that i know is that the in the trial in the senate trump will be acquitted so whats the whole purpose of going through this exercise if almost everybody agrees will be an acquittal go ahead wendy. Just because someone will be acquitted does not mean that we should not help hold them accountable for things that theyve done especially when you are the president of the free world and the president of the United States donald trump has abused his power as president that is a fat whether you sit on the left side of the right side of the al that cannot be argued so i believe that the senate will uphold this impeachment absolutely not they will not do that but he needs to be held accountable so whether this is a symbolic way to try to say you know what we see what youre doing and the American People and as stand for it then the democrats have the right to do that but what im really looking forward to beyond the impeachment is actually that i know im a loner right that they dont have a right. Ok lets go right to let you get the framers did not intend to ok let him. Wendy finish because i dont understand no prosecutor no prosecutor would go to trial knowing that theyre going to lose so are you still havent convinced me here ok go ahead. Youre saying they dont have a right as if you speak for the American People when you look at their recent polls you will see that the American People a majority of them actually for impeachment now the polls also asked whether he. Would be impeached and a lot of them say no but in america we have a democracy here we do not have a dictatorship so part of a democracy is holding our elected we have. Got to go right to our you let me go let me go to is that i me go to zack here i want to get everybody on the panel and 1st lets go to zach here all right but i mean what is happening here because the other side of the coin of all this impeachment process is what the deep state did to try him campaign and to the Trump Presidency and these deep state actors were not elected so you cant use the democracy issue here very well because what has happened against a Trump Campaign and presidency is antithetical to democracy theyre trying to overturn the vote of 63000000 people go ahead zack in seattle. Yeah i would john i mean he kind of knocked it all out right at the beginning there you know this impeachment process is just you know another massive cover up by the democrats to try and distract away from the real problems that trump and his administration are looking into its like people keep saying that theyre impeaching trump for investigating the corruption of joe biden and other democrats you know we saw during the 2016 election they invested they invest invented the russia gate smear to distract from Hillary Clintons crimes now are using impeachment to distract from the really really scandalous things that are coming out of ukraine between joe biden and other u. S. Politicians you know thats where the real dirt is coming out and this whole impeachment circus its just an absolute mess its a complete you know you were saying peter that you dont even understand what theyre saying its like most of us dont its all hearsay its just he said she said its actually pretty convincing that trump didnt commit any serious crime because if he had they would providing they be providing evidence for that. Obvious n f l use of whoring out about what the f. B. I. Did we exactly let me let me let me to give more clarity about what my point about you know not understanding what theyre talking about i have been actually to ukraine many many times i know ukrainian politics very very well i know all of the players and watching these people going for these committees they make a joke of themselves because theyre talking about a perspective on ukraine not the reality of ukraine and the perspective that they want everyone to have thats what makes it even worse because theyre all charlatans and hats and they dont even know what theyre talking about ok john let me go back to you here but you know it seems to me i mean i understand the democrats hate trump fine its called politics here but i think the culpable party in all of this has been the media and you have the horowitz report come out and theyre also you have the liberal media Corporate Media thats absolutely in a complete state of did not ideal i read parts of the report its very damning go ahead john. Tara well thats very damning before i was in media i was Law Enforcement and the f. B. I. Has a big black eye but the f. B. I. Got away with it because they have people in this country like wendy a well educated woman hold spew the left wing medias talking point from our point there was a specific statutory what youre spewing youre spewing left wing talking points youre saying. That allowed to be 7 balik hold on allowed to be a symbolic gesture youre saying impeachment is allowed to be a symbolic gesture thats absurd professor thats absurd you should go back to school the framers never intended that its one of the most i think sacred that i think is absolute i mean. That everybody where all of the old you know where what i think right ok thats what i want to get thats where i want to go here but it seems to me that this trivialization of an impeachment is. Obstructing what the what the framers wanted ok and i think that that has to go away wendy explain to me and speak slowly so i understand what crime has donald trump committed worthy of in pietschmann just one explained to me absolutely abuse of power undermining the american democracy by colluding with its not a crime our theory ok can you put it can you can you put im sorry no wendy wendy can you put some flesh on those bones what do you mean by that what you mean by that. And thats. Why the democrats and anybody who understands american politics i really believe that i wrote to the people who said on the other side of the aisle because you dont have to meet to those bones that any of this self im sorry but cant you wendy cant you cant you cant you admit that thats simply just a talking point because its really quite its quite. Vacuous let me go to zach in seattle here ok if you want meddling inside the american democracy as it were well then you kept ukraine you have that you have Democratic National committee functionaries talking with ukrainian officials you have before the election you have the ambassador from the united from the ukraine to the United States writing an op ed piece criticizing donald trump theres plenty of meddling by the way everybody just to make sure everyone knows theres a lot of countries that meddle in elections in the United States its not the 1st time and it wont be the last time ok but they say they want to hang this one on trump after the report says nothing and then we have this damning horowitz report and we have durham coming up and still zach state of denial. No talking points are necessary you know. Its totally shocking and for those of us who are paying attention i think most americans are paying attention we see how often the media and the democrats are revising the script changes from one thing to the next they expect us not to care but we are keeping track of what theyre saying and so you know this is been going on for years and years were already approaching the 2020 election where this is still been going on since the 2016 election liberals are still throwing fits that trump got elected throwing anything against the wall to see if it sticks when nothing is sticking and you know we really are just seeing all these actual crimes being exposed on the other side it just makes it very clear that this whole process of the total sham and you know theres no due process for the president its alarming and its you know it is a lot coming from the media telling us what to think when its like they still think that they can get away with that and you know this is the same media that sympathetic to Harvey Weinstein that just looked the other way when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself you know we have known for a long time that the media is not a trustworthy source so that theyre trying to tell us to believe one thing americans are smarter than that we can still detect a scam pop up the moment we see it you know they just think that were not ok were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on the trump impeachment stage with our team. And. Join me everything on the alex im with and ill be speaking to us of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you. Welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to munge were discussing the trump impeachment. Ok lets go back to wendy in Baltimore Wendy i want to make a very clear im not trying to be as partisan as they may sound i dont care personally if donald trump is an peach i really dont but i has to be done the right way because if you dont do it the right way youre going to tear the country apart and as i point out to my friends all around the World Americans have a lot of guns ok so be careful will you tread ok so i mean wendy it is it seems to me ive been watching this whole thing its just a personal thing they hate the orange man in the white house and theyll do anything to harm him that is irresponsible and you know what wendy its not working go ahead wendy. Yeah i think its really interesting what you said about impeachment has it done the right way or in a word here the country or part im not sure where youve been for the last few years but done trump has torn this country apart he has twice the country apart by the party some were up by his rhetoric he has turned the country apart by the things he stands by by embracing White Supremacy he has torn the country apart by talking disparagingly against women against people of color i guess people with disabilities i guess anybody who does not buy into his right wing rhetoric so what youre talking about impeachments here in this country apart i want you to take a few steps back and think about the ways that the man who resides at 1600 pennsylvania avenue has 20 this country apart from the moment he was going into the press and the United States and that is the Biggest Issue here ok but i would make the counter argument is that all i ever do any time i hear about race its always liberal media thats all they talk about and i dont think it resonates with most people the more you denigrate the man the more he rises in the polls the more you try to attack him the more he comes out on top i mean i mean you dont have to be a genius lets call the learning curve ok ok john let me go back to you again i want to be very very clear here if impeachment is going to be done there is a process of doing it it has to be oh by the way by partisan i will portray my age i remember the watergate hearings ok i remember how bipartisan was howard baker to remember him he was the republican and he worked through the impeachment process with great dignity by the way ok represented the Republican Party well and the president and when they got the goods the evidence he made a decision a thoughtful decision was an amazing moment in American History i dont see that happening right now go ahead john so one way street. Oh look shift the shift in that made absolute fulls of themselves and i got to commend wendy she went to the race card at the expired race card much quicker than i thought she would because thats what democrats are doing here peter theyve got nothing theyve got nothing we have wendy earlier give us one title 18 violation one statutory violation in the us code donald trump committed while there are none and you know how you know there are none because mother with his criminal subpoena power and teams of investigators and prosecutors found none they found done because there are none so what happens the left does exactly what wendy did they defaulted to the race card but you know why thats falling flat with americans the lowest black unemployment in history the lowest hispanic unemployment in history some of the highest Consumer Confidence in history the lowest unemployment in general in history its about jobs jobs jobs and its the economy stupid americans are not going to give that up for race baiting identity politics and virtue signaling and here is the fatal mistake democrats are making with black and hispanic voters when these in her baltimore east coast liberal bubble academic bubble what they dont understand in that bubble what they fail to understand in the. We lost them ok all right when you know exactly what to pick up there were john was speaking yet happily i mean i completely agree with everything that he was saying and you know. It is there are real bubbles on the coast that are really seeing whats going on in Middle America and you know most people in my view here in america have been you know uniting over time not only behind the economy which has been growing and improving in so many ways that you see real world examples in peoples lives already but also because were finally seeing between bar and durham were finally seeing some restoring of justice in our Justice Department that has had this 2 tiered application of the law for so long people are sick and tired of these white collar criminals these politicians that say trumps not trumps you know not too big to jail well wheres the investigations to hold by and accountable where the investigations to hold the clintons accountable were finally starting to see that so while some people like to tell us that the country is being divided i think what were seeing on the ground really is the opposite effect and people are getting together around the concept of draining the swamp around the Strong Economy and that is printing people together under trump and the democrats really have nothing to say against that so theyre just throwing the impeachment against him you know its its very telling what the democrats are saying they try to get you to focus on what they are and what the media wants you to believe but we can look around and see outside of their world ok wendy why dont the democrats because they have the majority in the house why dont you just go for a censure to censure the president that would probably have more of an impact because you dont look you merely aided after losing the trial in the senate i mean if you want symbolism thats what censure is really all about its kind of a symbolic move and it might be more effective. Lets be clear the democrats were not married after the trial in the senate because what he. Its hard to understand is that were going into an Election Year everything to do in this calculation that they are galvanize their base and they are going to have a wing into the 20 twentieths i mean so yes when you do you just said this is all calculator are you serious i mean this looks like this isnt this this is the most sloppy strategy i have ever seen in my adult life you think its calculated i mean you know jerry narron and adam schiff to recalculate think people really go ahead wendy and i and im so and i were having this conversation with you the day after the election and they were really see how calculated it is when donald trump is a one term president and the current well you know when you could actually do the opposite of a good job you know we could have the same conversation after trump is reelected go ahead john we lost you there for a couple minutes go ahead john yeah look. My audio cut off what i was saying is the reason Donald Trumps going to win in a landslide is that black and hispanic voters arent about racial identity politics theyre Kitchen Table issues voters like everybody else they care about their bottom line they care about making more money their kids going to better schools and going on vacation with their families and donald trump is giving that to them or as the Democratic Party has tried to keep them on entitlements thats why Donald Trumps support across the board even with the demo oversample is around 30 some odd percent among africanamericans that doesnt mean hes going to get that turnout that means they like his economic policies but he doesnt need that all donald trump needs about 2 to 4 percent more africanamerican support that he had 2016 which he will absolutely get after the jobs numbers for a lend slide when hes on track for that with black and hispanic voters thats what the democrats dont understand when they play the race card like when they did it when they talk about nobody cares what the media telling them anymore people are looking at their own Bank Accounts their own flora when it caves and theyre happy ok wendy jump in go ahead because youre the odds are so now go ahead wendy go ahead wendy. No i was just saying you know i just find it laughable that you have someone tell in a black woman that shes playing the race card when shes not playing a game shes actually live in it and black every day and i know the issues that eyepieces of black women and the issues that people who like me face every day so i know sarah and that plane the race car i would love to tell me what black issues are since youre so well dressed in black issues versus someone whos actually black ok exactly well i think. This is what americans american sick of americans sick of that black issues white issues thats why democrats are losing thats why you lost in 2016 and thats what youre going to lose again because youre trying to view politics through the lens or reacts i think its really viewed through the lens of personal economic it really gets down to it because i remember when they were they had the 2018 elections and everyone was talking about diversity and again as a conservative i talk about unity and i think thats the message here that people want to talk about its bring us together again were so tired of being divided all of the time im sick and tired of it im so sick and tired of people angry all the time as well zack let me go to you because you know the this that this whole impeachment process is going to keep rolling on because its almost a reversible theyre like a huge Aircraft Carrier you need 30 miles to turn around and they dont have that much space so. In the trip if there is going to be a trial which what looks like its going to be should it be really short or should it be how witnesses because ive heard are good arguments and bad arguments on both sides go ahead. Well i you know the democrats are you know they need to be careful what they wish for because i dont think that anything is going to go well for them in the future with this i think you know its already a Dumpster Fire as is you know Rudy Giuliani is the only person that really even needs to open his mouth and the democrats will be wishing they never began this whole process so its you know im glad wendy mentioned that its very calculated because it does seem like its a democratic you know for as much as they claim to be opposed to you know meddling in elections it does very much seem like this is a political hit job that is specifically calculated as a Campaign Strategy for the democrats its obviously backfiring trumps making so much money in terms as Reelection Campaign obviously the improvement the impeachment polls are working in his favor so you know most of us are just kind of encouraging the democrats to keep on with that because it is really helping trump and youre seeing these just huge defections from the Republican Party the walkaway of the democrats that movement is massive because the you know the democrats this is what theyve been doing since 2016 like john said its a losing strategy and theyre carrying on with it and its going to be even worse for them in 20122020 its going to be one of the most read elimimian in American History to give wendy the last minute on the program here why is it a Winning Strategy when you go ahead yet one minute. I think that both parties whether is donald trump using the pietschmann that said to galvanize and raise money and hes gained so much money as you have Election Campaign or whether its the democrats who are also galvanized and saying you know this president is unfit to hold the highest office in our land we need to make sure we get him out both sides are using this impeachment process because its an Election Year and thats something that we cannot deny and so i would like to see who comes out on the winning end of this i think its too early to call who it is when they but we will find out the morning after election day who really used this impeachment process to galvanize their base and get out the vote and for people to you know vote what their mouth and you know come to the polls and so thats what were going to see ok i think its very interesting because theres really no polling evidence that the impeachment process is going to bring anyone to the ballot box ok theres no theres sure there will be by the time we get to the election but i dont see any evidence out there that thats going to motivate people one way or another i think by then the democrats will be embarrassed by it all as all the time we are here many thanks to my guests in West Palm Beach in baltimore and in seattle and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r. 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