Head to argue dot com stay with us now for going underground looking at the collapse of the British Labor party under. Watching in the u. K. Sputnik finds out what could be in store for the National Health service with us. I just seem to see i might see the queen and she greets to dissolve parliament. To the stage where we have. These of the public. A view that you. The 317 seats the conservatives of the last election within 3 months will secure a credible deal with the European Union and in 6 months well put that deal to you i need to watch a very. Great state it is time for scotland to be made in the country at the bottom of the Economic League table in the u. K. At the moment but you know we dont have to accept. We will not vote for the Prime Minister to prevent other proposals you would have just one referendum on the e. U. Youd have one on scotland as well as the bible to deliver for the people of this country lets get. 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Imagine a times you were going on the ground general Election Special after a result that could see the un condemned conservative party in power for the next decade well have reaction from across the political spectrum but 1st lets go to Oxford University professor Danny Dorling author of peak inequality in front man of sheffield and reverent of the makers John Mercurio campaign for labor in this election welcome both of you professor Danny Dorling 1st what now for Boris Johnson what can he do to prevent any other corporate politician threatening power and privilege like robin did ever again in this country thatll be a high high priority for him because corbin and and the labor party became available for that they were going to take away the kind of privilege of his wealth they way from fighting its cold is the whole background to media matters the easy thing for them to do is to implement boundary changes weve been to have a new commission to make the seats even even smaller in areas that labor could do better in i mean thats thats probably on the cards but he may be thinking of other things he may be thinking of changing the Voting System so you have to go for various stages of id to actually be able to vote and that would harm labor in particular ways its perhaps a party for him and for the people who backed him in the people who gave the money for his campaign they never want to see the fret of a social Democratic Left wing labor party again john. Famously the Bullingdon Club reputed. Lee used to send their Members Around oxford to burning a 50 pound note in front of the homeless is that what britain is seriously looking forward to that kind of future i think unfortunately i mean im from yorkshire and we have like you know large mining communities securely where we literally for you know the police the politicised police force in the street and now were seeing those very same people suddenly voting for the conservatives. The one kind of area to come for the ive drawn the bricks it now becomes completely the conservative creation because you said all grieve johnson opposes an inquiry into what you call it politicized. Event and famously in the miners strike why did all the mining towns where did they all go tories it racism are anti immigrant something there is a i think we have to be only so we have to call it what it is in the a large appeal to bigotry in the conservative. Kind of styling in the way that theyve sort of position themselves to the rival on the money as you can over these areas of become older and older young people have had to leave the savings because they want those were so huge so you will also look in a no demographic in those areas younger people in britain not just people diversity but in general have moved into the cities where the opportunities are ok because older people are old enough then to know how is that sure if you really destroyed the Manufacturing Industries in those areas yes although some of them im going to start the strike was not in 84. That there were people that who had who are now out who my age you know it was still a school of those caught in the miners strike it was a long time ago. Its its going to be very tricky the conservatives have managed to blame immigrants and blame of a people who blame everybody but themselves for the situation people find themselves in they promised them that if you do this one thing if you get. Yes it does everything will be great they probably still do loads of spending on health and so on theyre really good at promising and they really really did a lying theyve practiced it and for the next 4 possibly 5 years they will be telling people that theyve done a lot for them is just that people in those areas will not get to see any of it john people did say that young people. Just proportionately supported corbin what happened to the youth quake in all those constituencies i know danny just love the move to the cities i think is still there i mean my experience of doorstep and i just doorstep the main killer marching for chris the m. P. Chris piece and also in sheffield for the m. P. Louise hay on my experience is that weve seen kind of what the same is a shift away from class politics and more into a generational divide now the young people do not believe that they didnt but equally and i dont i dont think that theyre conservative supporters either and i think theres obviously the idea that people move to the political right as they get older in the uk more wealth to protect but i dont think it really holds up i think in the longer term the conservative party in real trouble because their appeal is almost exclusively to older voters now its a baby boomers. Interested in my wifes grandfather died last week and he was older than 3 any vote to remain in the he was part of the generation that fought the war and set up the postwar consensus which the conservatives are now going to rip it to pieces but he was the generation that tried to you know establish peace in europe the baby boomers have rejected that in some ways they betrayed both their parents and their children you down here featuring in john pillages new film the dirty war in the n. H. S. Were going to actually speak to john pilger soon on the program. What you expect to happen to the National Health service i should say the polls did show they trusted the people thats going to trust Boris Johnson more than jeremy corporately and they did well john pilger this film couldnt be shown because of perjury lets campaign the fact that hundreds and that would last few months files and of. Extra people have died above the already high level deaths of icing again in britain the n. H. S. Will be blamed for that by the conservatives theyll say its not fit for purpose it doesnt work they have wanted to find ways of privatizing more of it they will try to difficile and where people are told that well were Still Available for you but the services were actually being provided by private contractors no baby to be dying in england it and feel it year for the last 4 years in for more weight as wizard in england and wales no where else in europe in scotland the infant mortality rate used to be higher in 2014 it was the same as England Wales since then theyve had a dramatic fall because the Scottish Government have raised money and raise some taxes and have employed more with wives and then a whole series of poverty policies to get in from all toilet seat down so it will be quantifiable that some of the poor people in the mining towns that trish they were labelled a tory they will die oh earlier than that would really expect on Life Expectancy in britain is still below the level it was in to in 2014 we are the only country in europe with a lower Life Expectancy than them we are straight we have the widest inequality in all of europe and weve done where we are normal is weve done what the most unequal countries in the o. E. C. D. Do these are chile russia the United States israel all of them the most unequal countries nearly cd let the strong man he says follow me and i will make everything better theres a kind of have a board have a book kind of predictability about this sort of the question is when the strongman doesnt deliver do people as you say. That or do they measure find a new lies labor about 235. 00. Thats a terrible situation to be back to in terms of popularity when Clement Attlee lost the election yes but we have a disaster coming. Not a disaster or anything as by the 2nd world war but makes it is going to be a disaster for well im sure johnson will say were a desert or a great opportunity he will he will say that but just remember what happened was the election after 935 anything is possible what this photo is shown. This vote yes youll vote was outside of the confidence limits of the 100 friends and people polled a turd a week before this was this was not on the cards john you being very vocally for your recall prolabor why dont more rock stars Cultural Icons with the honorable exceptions what why dont more of them coming out for labor is it because they are part of a culturally financially will feel it themselves may now been a great fan of the kind of social theorist mark fisher has talked about the kind of slow comes elation of the future this idea that weve stopped trying to Progress Society forward not a lot of people of a century become very kind of comfortable and ultimately comes down to 2 careerism you know people who you know by the very nature of the fact that you write songs means that you have some sort of empathy for the world around you and that you look at you look at all the you know the situation in politics everything that happens in the world its not something that you can kind of sort of disengage from yourself and i can only write about my own personal feelings and i have to say that many of my contemporaries in the in the music game you find that they often left wing and socialists and labor supporters joining the p. B. When they havent got any money and as soon as they meet one of them this speaking to seek an intellectual justification for their own great job in the factory is youve got a great kind of social awakening bombs like the specials in the class rose to the challenge of confronting government equally satire became very good in the eightys you know right across the art scene in films you know a lot of the ken loach movies and stuff so i would hold it up the Artistic Community and rise to the challenge however knowing some of them as well as the day why i had the misfortune to spend not this election not the one before with. You know amount of street fighting man in the sixtys and the consume 1017 was praying for a tory victory so theyve been losing money to coburns tax policy professor Danny Dorling thank you. After the break the chairman of the welsh conservatives and labor m. P. For 30 years kate oh wait on the partys apparent betrayal of the english working class all this more coming up about to have going underground. And there is only johnson. And i just got out of prison for. 41 years. Im 72 years old now i got arrested for to mary for some i. Feel like just everything was taken out of. My work in the hospital but it was. Meant to snowman that looks a little bit like me. Because about high. Homicide cars. Now. Work hard tough you is doing that so by yourself youre going. To go to stuff. I didnt do now im afraid to try to frighten kids or not give. Us no good something right due to. Join me every 1st day on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see that. Bodies gone from. Off the heart break you. Moron lives you walk over do you want to think well see what we will do with us so. That gives a lot of quality and clarity. Im very sad that my party did so poorly but i think that was selfinflicted by having run a dreadful dreadful campaign and i think that made the crisis that we should not have argued for a vote possible 55 i think we need to properly develop a sense rights. Argument with regard to it to benefits. To the moment so i think we need to deliver on the National Health service and i think its important that we ensure. Power to the english reach its just the 1st time. Nonunion so often are the majority in Northern Ireland and i think were going to have to ensure that we can get the devolved executive working again i think its particularly important that we fight hard for the union. Were not in front of their result means that we have a soul and mind to move forward in scotland so we can and have. The time the sessler end of course fully sooner rather than later and know if they the situation is just a bit catalunya we are you know spain has. To just read a nice letter so awful flesh random and then barcelona and then catalonia what do we do need to resort to to you know likes of silence or excess. You know. People being put in a position where shifts which is not respect in there to the democrats in mind well be having discussions over the weekend and into next week. To see. Welcome back in the 1st half we heard from revenue makers from and not read universities Danny Dorling now progress of veteran labor m. P. Kate hoey you decided enough was enough and enough she wouldnt be running on thursday after 30 years on the reasons labor lost kate thanks for coming on so labor paying the price for betraying the working classes of this country i think thats a fair summing up of what i think labor has after the 2017 election where they did quite well with a new leader germany corben and they promised that they would honor the referendum and then labor m. P. s that the next 2 years delaying for stressing trying to stop it happening and they have not paid the price and unfortunately they paid the price for some very good labor m. P. s whove who where are wanting to honor the referendum honestly but is it a weakness of call them or is it foreign share of orange agree with all. Other brics its a greek as strong as they reputedly forced corgan youve got to have as they are largely nonmember upon for 30 years and then every single vote there was which was anti European Union last treaty lisbon treaty all of those where we had a vote jeremy was in the same lobby as well as i was and i think he is a genuine believer in leaving the e. U. And all the neoliberal policies of the e. U. But he has when he became leader of the party he had a very important very prudent to me in. Parliamentary party and he had a shadow cabinet to gradually move the policy towards being remain and then knowing that they quite couldnt quite become a remand party with Jeremy Corbin having to say he would be neutral but you cant go into an election which is a bracks it election and say you can be neutral ok with some go in then go but he wont because hes got bricks it fortunately delivers it hes always favored been seen to favor irish unity Northern Ireland merely a referendum no way already talking about a referendum in defiance of westminster voting. More money for the only chance for a conservative but i mean hes obviously not going to benefit from that in the sense of still being leader because he will go but you know i think what we need to think about now is weve got a conservative government with a majority government can i get it done we have large conservative m. P. s representing labor held areas working class constituencies who are going to see their surgeries every week people with problems that ive seen all my life in an inner city area of prison benefit problems employment problems housing problems and some of those tory m. P. s are not your kind of standard version of what some people in labor think are tory m. P. s they are going to be putting a lot of pressure on the Prime Minister to really genuinely and stare at it because they know that if for a stance and doesnt deliver on a lot of these issues theyll be out at the next election so i think it could be a very interesting time for the conservative party going to have to look at actually their policies really meaning that theyre working towards an end to inequality and funding the Health Service and lets not just going to be good enough for labor to say as Emily Thornberry tried to do over the tories are all just right wing. Extremists because that is actually being incredibly rude about it labor voters who switched to conservatives for all sorts of reasons yes it isnt the vote not progressive bricks it voted for in these 4 mining areas it is an anti immigrant prick for all i think thats just nonsense and that thats just the kind of almost slur i think that people who remain in have wanted to argue that anyone who voted leigh was somehow some kind of right wing extremist who is a racist and a fascist and all of that is just obviously not not true people want yes control of immigration and do not want to see complete Free Movement because we know that that leads to a reduction in workers wages and big. Corporations being able to play off workers from one country against another but no one is saying that were not going to have immigration but what i want to see is a fair immigration system treats the whole world in the same way why should the 27. 00 European Union countries have this special relationship you know where we should be an independent country deciding that we want to come in reasons for them coming in treat everybody equally when theyre here and a lot of people who are here to be treated properly will them as we said the 52 percent of the vote at the election as you know were cast for remain parties in youve said your country comes before your party when you step down and people are talking about the end of the United Kingdom scotland is talking about secession and in Northern Ireland many people seem a good friday agreement clearly states that a change in voting pattern more or perception of the desires of the north requires a real referendum on irish unity well on scotland 1st in scotland was the manifesto was to stop breaks it of that mean that doesnt work for them now and are they really going to go into an independent referendum and say that you know theyre going to rejoin the the pain you know we will see you know the early stages of i said that with or without that i mean the government does not have to give a referendum at this stage and i see no reason why there will be another there will be one we argue as well i mean they cant they cant have a referendum unless parliament votes to give it to them in a bag. Well i mean you know theyve made it very clear the conservatives and labor that they were rushing in to give another referendum as far as arlen concern i think you have to be very careful in the realising that the people who voted for the Alliance Party many of them are disillusioned remain unionists they are not going to tomorrow in a referendum vote for United Ireland i am absolutely certain and i know Northern Ireland very well that there is still a very big majority to stay as part of the United Kingdom because people in Northern Ireland have their irish passport and their british passport they can have it both ways. Ways they like being british a lot of them they like being irish a lot of them and i dont think that any of the results yesterday in faction fee invokes went darling and it went to went to the s. T. O. P. The d u p votes went die in as well im not really out of the system the system in Northern Ireland the whole Peace Process and the way the elections are free and needs to be looked at because its ridiculous that one party can bring the whole Assembly Done and even if it goes back again tomorrow in 6 months time another party can simply say were walking out and then the whole thing colonials no way to run a democracy what about media bias in this election do you think youll stop seeing what you and other appropriate for 2 years of often call the pro remaining legible elite media is at the end of that now that were definitely having breakfast on the air i think it was a it was kind of tweets last night which i thought were very good of people saying that it must be awful for all these media people and some of the particular sky news and even the b. B. C. Who are having to put forward these results knowing that theyre absolutely furious that by the way the results of gone its a london centric media its a media many of them never get out of london and they live in a little bubble i knew we were going to lose labor was going to lose when you talk to people out of london completely different and labor has to remember that it should be representing people with decent working class values of you know respect for people law and order and wanting to help have security of the country and not this kind of liberal anything goes attitude that is here in london in the capital city and theyve lost theyve lost the trust of labor voters and theyre going to have to win that back if theyre ever going to come back out of this big big defeat ok thank you thank you. Well im now joined by the german of the welsh conservatives or davis or davis thanks for being on going on going what do you made of the result so welcome many respects weve now got to work. In parliament so that we can move forward and on a more localized basis here where theres an absolute united because we won quite a number of new seats giving us a total of 14 members of parliament here and where yet on the whole those new seats i mean you did one support remain is it clear now the tory success in wales was anti immigrant feeling bricks it thats what working class wales in bridgend thats what they care about are trying to round where i was last week and visited all our sort of talk it seats i went to bridgend and the message on the doorstep was quite clear that they wanted this brick city issue resolved they want to get delivered they wanted to move on they want to investment in our Public Services and. The Prime Minister has promised that and we will deliver it yeah but even you didnt think that you were going to win blithe valley presumably i mean like a 3rd of all welsh eldon are involved at. A quarter i think in blood valley and the tories have been associated with the stereo and yet youve taken by the way but no youre absolutely right im astounded by the success that weve had in places such as dr ali. It again you know its this kind of commitment to to to live in brick city and and getting the country out of the stalemate that its been in easier to me chairman of the welsh conservatives people talking about Northern Ireland splitting off scotland splitting off wales will be part of the United Kingdom presumably theres no theres no appetite here its all in wales for independence and moving away from the union i think its the last time i heard any. Polling on that i think it was something around well and 10 percent and of course you know gala very well one of the most beautiful places in the United Kingdom expecting lots of rich foreign buyers of property around there is bars drugs and opens up a globalised britain no i dont think thats going to happen to toll gag. It hasnt got up me Bridge Properties it has a it has a number of very Nice Properties but it is as you rightly say is the 1st area of outstanding Natural Beauty in the u. K. And we need to protect that why do you think that many conservatives didnt support Boris Johnson strategy all across this bricks and period he even had to throw out so many people from the tory party in effect i think. Well i think you know as far as the tory as long as far as the Parliamentary Party was this and there were people and people that were my colleagues who were absolutely dedicated to remaining within the European Union in fact speaking about gallagher i can say that. Number of people we look didnt win go this time around simply because a number of people who work at it is wanted to remain in the European Union and lend their vote to labor of course a lot of banks in the city of london still support remain do you think any breaks a deal will guarantee Financial Services access to the European Union when britain leaves the European Union well thats thats something which im im not a financial expert by any means all i can say is that in terms of financial world weve weve seen today how the pound has risen against the dollar and the euro so i think that i think the city of london will be will be content now that we have a plan a way forward and i feel quite sure that that will be done to be to our great advantage and as for the welsh people a lot of blame during this campaign for welsh devolved labor leadership in wales do you think its going to be harder for the tories to blame devolve power for things like 25 percent of parents on low incomes in wales now frequently skipping meals. As far as evolution is concerned. We. Have an evolved parliament now in wales and that will remain we supported as watched incentives and we want to make it work we want to make it work well and for you know i dont know youre aware of it but for every pound thats spent on a person in england one pound 20 spent on on people in wales so you know the westminster government really does invest well in the people whereas its the way its spent by the government here in ways which is the problem and thats the real issue and thats what we need to change and thats why now in the in the forthcoming. Elections that well have for the assembly will be look