And stuff like that and the reason why i bring up those 2 examples because there were facts facts that everyone agreed to facts that were dealt with obstruction and other crimes high crimes and misdemeanors by the way so i was watching jerry nad lawyer and unfortunately a week before that adam shift and i think im kind of a normal pretty smart guy you know i like politics always home i dont understand whats going on here what are these hearings about why are lawyers interviewing lawyers where are fact witnesses ok and im not god im not taking a partisan side here im looking at the process here i dont understand the process current go ahead in palm beach. I think most of america doesnt understand the process and i just like you im somebody who absorbs politics all day every day and august starting at 2 in the south because its. Simply rhetoric if you look at the watergate scandal youre talking about 3 articles of impeachment that yes were agreed on if you look at bill clinton its 4 articles of impeachment again a grade on you look at this its 2 articles of impeachment that they basically just pulled out of this you crazy scandal what happened to them over report i thought this was all going to be based on the molar report and because it didnt fit their narrative anymore theyve now just grasping at something new to make their case they will stop at nothing these democrats will stop at nothing to impeach this president and theyll stop at nothing to just do anything that they can to affect this 2020 alexion this is treason quite frankly and they are looking to affect the election this is not about actually anything that the president did its simply about the fact that they dont even have any viable candidates lined up for 2020 and they have nothing else its a big nothing burger ok brian you jump in there i mean im im trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt i really am ok and im not taking im not taking the sign here but i do remember these past impeachments and i remember that they were very huge issues they were actually very tedious when it came to the law and it was most importantly by partisan this partisanship here worries me the most here ok because if i cant as a political junkie understand really what is the kernel of all of this then i think the American People obviously they dont watch politics every heartbeat of the day like i do and like the rest of us do on this panel i mean what is compelling about this process that im missing go ahead bernie. Well 1st of all i think youre mischaracterizing the bill clinton impeachment i was around so that impeachment and that was not exactly like ours exercise where there were less thats a fair thats a fair point thats a fair or less unfair or less a strict or it was more or less a Straight Party line vote now your question of where are the facts and where the factual witnesses i dont know peter if you were to win did in the past couple of weeks but weve had plenty of sexual witnesses weve had people testifying under oath who are all on the whole line with donald trump and leaders of ukraine testify what was the crime what was a crime committed a crime they were asked we have to wonder but they were asked and none of them said they knew on National Television on down to television they they were asked what crime of they would reach the level of impeachment no one raised their hand seeking the florida election interfere thats what they all test. Oh ok graham why dont you jump in on that ok i mean the United States interferes in elections all around the world all the time and now it is hearing you have it said i mean what it is how its going to equal time last night law its let everybody have band with it everyone johnny and law and then we can have it spread it out go ahead graham. Yeah this is a fantastic reality t. V. Show thats put on by the ruling class to have these 2 ridiculous corporate war parties battle amongst this nonsense as was just brought up that look it was very partisan for clinton but even clinton actually as it was stated had 4 articles of impeachment he lied to the grand jury and all of these democrats who back in the during the clinton era were like oh this is a witch hunt theyre now doing the same thing here with heres whats going on with the democrats i dont agree there is a very strong candidate its called Bernie Sanders that is the most popular candidate weve ever had but the Democratic Party if they give over to him they lose they lose all their corporate money they lose all their corporate so they cant have Bernie Sanders in poll after poll is beating trump head to head hes beating trump head to head in texas if a democrat wins texas its over but they cant do that ok going to cram or he would rather lose to republican ok ok you just answered my question so youre saying youre saying but democrats would rather lose to donald trump than have Bernie Sanders elected youre saying that. Absolutely because of but i think theres something to takes no corporate money i think theres something to it theres good corporate my he doesnt take you to court ok let me go back to the good to go to court and keep it moving its go back to palm beach here ok ok brian disagrees with this and thats good because disagreement is good because that moves is towards the truth what in your mind is the crime or not crime committed because brian is saying that there is a crime committed go ahead con. Theres no crime committed and its the democrats grasping at straws and what amazes me about this is the fact that you know if you look at it it seems so Crystal Clear to most that most of us you know they started this all off you know talking about the smaller investigation and if you just look at the pivot just look at the pivot towards the ukraine and all of a sudden its so obvious whats happened and why are we not talking about the democratic involvement why are we not talking about everything that they did why are we so focused on strictly the president and strictly on discrediting him because they at the end of the day this is about the 2020 alexion all this is a ploy and its sad for the American People because there was a time that we could have a healthy debate and there was a time that there was a bipartisan system in place and there was a time where we really focus on having a 2 party system and somehow weve gotten totally away from that and there is just this situation that is so contentious and so bad its not even serving the American People anymore and like a lot of americans im almost at the point and im in politics where i want to tune it out because it really makes no sense and there is no factual basis there is no crime and thats why theyve turned this into the whole ukrainian scandal is because they had a big nothing with the mole report and now all of a sudden they have something to grasp onto and theyre going to take any little kernel that they can thats it. And i think i dont think we should waste a whole lot of time if there was a crime or not a crime because if you look at the process how its being brought up. And shown to the public i mean i think and any rational person fair minded person would say this is a pretty one way a one party dictating the process here and its. All go back to the nixon one and well stay away from the bill clinton won and he was bipartisan it was very carefully done i dont see any of that here and i think thats a danger to the institution of congress and civil public debate about politics go ahead brian im actually reaching out to you brian go ahead. Once again peter i with all due respect i dont think youre paying attention but 1st we need to start we need to start going back to whether or not a crime was committed if everybody on this panel cant agree that seeking soren election assistance on the part of a United States candidate is not a federal i want you know youre talking about 2006 are you talking about 2006000 200 and im talking im talking about what they said didnt i so you have someone from that representing the d. N. C. Going in talking to the ukrainians why isnt anybody no ones talking about that i cant do one person and that in the Tram Campaign i went to ukraine and i look in horror youre ok well i mean you know what the problem is is that this is whats happened if i dont misread how to go from you know we have we have this parallel conversation thats what its turned into keep going thats because youre not listening to us and you know youre not adding 10 and youre not adding to it ok youre just saying a crime is the worst what is to cry and what has go ahead is trying all over me go ahead you know what partisan rancor is coming from us like west lightly answer you and your yelling over and well let everyones listen and everyones lies and i know ive noticed you let the other yes uninterrupted that i cant talk for 5 seconds before you shouting go ok youre wasting youre wasting time you want to answer not well thats because. If you give me time to answer a question or you just need your 2nd so you just get your guy 2nd some words are up just like the 2 other guests can i get that go ahead that i get ok 1st of all if we can all agree that it is a crime to seek or to seek for an election assistance in the United States of america we have the conversation thats number one number 2 in this whole business of it being some kind of a not quite bipartisan this investigation as the conducted almost 2 with steve so the law was to see the exact same way the investigations into Richard Nixon and bill clinton for there are 3 parts ok are there i know youre ok then you might be right i dont know why this happened i know why this had been through i know why this happened you know why happened and i can go right into my desires to win it because you want c. N. N. And you want to m. S. M. Be senator tell you why there are we just want to let that word in and that is going to say i dont know youre lobbying at all other times than you are its irritating there are 2 in it process number one is the investigation which is conducted behind closed doors number 2 there is a house hearing and number 3 there is a senate trial and it hasnt even gotten so in their pay and the g. O. P. One thing i recall very easy out gets people a party and say this is 100 my dog in any other you know how this gets in the process again we are and supposed to be to. Everyone you know everybody has shout outs and less it was an ace they were you sir until it moves to trial we havent gotten to trial yet why is the so complicated for republicans youre either lying or you dont know the law yourself ok well thats a very but you give us all very limited options there i k were going to go to a short break and after that your break well continue our discussion on impeachment stay with. Live. Leg. Live leg. 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Ok graham lets go back to you in los angeles and im going to Say Something and this will be in reference to to our good friend brian ok i dont care if donald trump is impeached ok i really dont but i do care i do care about you and i hang on everybody hang on but i do care about process here and i have to categorically disagree with what brian had to say here this is been so one sided and and broken so many precedents i keep going back to the nixon impeachment and that i think is a model here ok and unfortunately the way the process is being done now were going to go through impeachment every 20 years probably ok because its being treated in such a callous way talk about process graham well thats the way i agree and thats by problem with this is this if we go through this process then well then then the next democratic president the republicans are going to do this i mean this is just this is the problem i have with this 2 party system its so one sided if were going to talk about ukraine lets talk about hunter biden getting 55. 1000. 00 a month from his dad like we always the both parties are so corrupt and then you have people like law professor turley i believe who talk to one who sees that thats the bipartisan problem theyre all. Youre going graham a credit card he is corrupt i dont know robert oh man when i listen to your Little Island or to. Get grant theres no way to do that at all theres no yes you brian please please go Brian Griffin leaves you there live. On the board of directors ok. Fine im talking to you yeah im talking to the grandmother cell so come on you guys stop she dont have time stop to have time go ahead graeme the ruling class is completely corrupt this process is complete the law professor turley said were the process isnt good and no one on amazon b. C. Or c. N. N. Covers that 11 turnley said this is a distraction 219219 democrats voted to extend the patriot act during this whole circus so thats what this is really about and you know were also not talking about how trump in the clintons are all tied to epstein so none of this is really being talked about this is a circus and a distraction 60 percent of americans dont have money for a handle a 501000. 00 emergency and were talking about this its like the russian distraction if were going to talk about russia interfering in the election why dont we talk about the democrats being corrupt in their own primary im so tired of this ruling class ridiculous corruption from both of these completely corrupt parties that all they care about is money and war and banks and wall street and i dont know its its a its a ridiculous circus its like rot watching the real housewives of washington d. C. Its a complete waste of time and the American People dont care what a bunch of beltway insiders be they g. O. P. Or d. N. C. Think about lets have a real debate on how. Were going to affect Climate Change or wow theres another thing were not talking about ok climate collapse ok all right all right you know ok lets go to this let me go to palm beach let me go to Palm Beach County i am for freedom of speech graham had his bit the following thats ok with me and i want the same kind of question to you about process here and i will repeat what i said in the beginning in the 2nd part of the program i dont care if donald trump is impeached ok but looking at this process here. Not being allowed to call witnesses the way he shifted and jerry. Was running the his. Judiciary committee i mean its just its absurd i mean interrupting people not put not allowing points of order and coaching coaching witnesses as well its really quite obvious here i think its very very dangerous again ill say for the 3rd time i dont care if trump is impeached but i care how its done go ahead its about a little too also you know im trying to play im trying to placate you a little bit raw and dry and hot this is the problem this is only a 100 percent the problem and brian is illustrating so perfectly and im just sitting over here smirking at myself because you know peter that i love a debate more than anyone it i can argue all day long you know. And ill slap and i do it every single day but youre you were absolutely not working im going out with because you were just loyal supporter of the 1st i am really i dont want to see it on show exactly whats wrong with the laughter right now and its like there. Are any viewpoints out i know what are your own just dont want to tolerate like anybody else ok this is a waste of time and ok time were like the royal liberals are like its ok because i was me i was it 3 am let me ask you guys dont let me ask a bipartisan question here and ill go to brian ok all right. Take it seriously i do know is that you think do you think there is do you think there is a lack of tolerance in this debate here that neither side wants to listen to the other i mean when you look at the i. G. Report and then you look at the Judiciary Committee it reminds me of the western front during world war one you know everyone said and the thing how it was go ahead bryan and i finished i finish my question now you can answer go ahead what is that like you are. A lot of malfeasance yes yes it also contains i notice that you did not mention this it also contains that this investigation into donald trump at russia is completely justified why didnt you. When you go you want to testify go ahead you have your time go right ahead i know its not me its in the report. But will i what is the Reference Point here i mean the mother report i read it once no where did the letter reported him didnt the mother reported demonic it up here we go and buy or it is there are 2 important things in that i. G. Report and youre only reporting one thats why. Well you have the floor go right ahead i write only all i want to tell. You what are you getting at if you dont you know hed be on my own program go right ahead say it straight out means only its only reporting on one of them because he is trying to see if his own political narrative if you actually read the i. G. Report you will see the information that there was no political bias and that there was legal justification for best and Job Well Done lets try and i didnt mention i didnt mention bias you did i didnt mention it i expose you did i didnt know because and i thought if the reporter had said it was biased i would have said it but i they say they denied it all are hey hes reporting for survive partisanship if this site you report shows that yes i bungled this investigation and i say take all the charges and drop them but you will also have to admit that the i. G. Report also what and how are you this are you being made you want to tell i dont want charges serious or would you say hes not really justified hes not something and his supporters continue to lie about they say it was politically motivated which it wasnt its right and look and i have it right here too and im agreeing with you theres im not saying i think that they could made to them no i dont think they drew the right conclusion but thats what the report said but. We have other reports coming out the Durham Report and we know what attorney general barr had to say. When shooting well now well see where it goes ok brian i have a secret for you to be open minded a little bit ok granted i had a. Grand think graham were just listening. To brian youre you know heres a look possibly ring tone the filibuster on my program im going to go to now to gray and lie every day and says ok all right ok youre there im sorry so youre talking so no youre when youre talking point the conversation just your talking points conversation. Ok do you want to have that this is you have in this economy what action would you have the common courtesy to listen to another guest youre not the only guest on the program graham go ahead jump in go ahead graham. Yeah i mean this is just a prime example the democrats rather than getting it getting behind inspirational candidates what policies and platform that resonate with the majority of the American People they do this insane arguing like you tell me a lie is what that just arguing i just had to listen to as why is it any is any worse than the trump supporter who says trump never lies this is the problem i have this is why im an engineer or just addresses who has not inspired well he was once your he had on me was once. I destroyed her eyes because im against the war because i want medicare for all the right thats. Why he said i do you agree that is such an important question why are you so he got angry go ahead karen i am not really either so i hearing thats why he has you you would write brian if you want to give us that ball i stick it on i think this is the heart really. Really honestly this wow such a. Direct a lot of everything thats wrong right now when they cant get their point across the democrat your letter you cant get less weight across the only thing that they are doing the al you didnt you didnt get your point across at all i cant wait to actually let you know as we look i cant wait is that a lot of media resists going to show your point across illegal or illegal to seek for an election into serious and United States question legal or illegal answer yes or well the democrats are we got i mean i mean i discussing the d. N. C. That is that it was all you and i and others who want to talk about think and say are you want to agree as we were out in the forest a lot of eggs or is it were back its now i dont want to go i should not i just waiting to go there oh youre going to were almost out of time were almost out of time hang on everyone. Hang on students. What is happening here is that each side projects as theyre doing on the other side thats what happens all the time and thats why were not having a conversation on fortunately this program is emblematic of american Politics Today i think thats a really good test case here for whats wrong we all need to Start Talking to each other again thats what we need to start doing car and im going to give you the last word 55 seconds only for you i have my fingers crossed that they will be good for you go ahead thank you i hope so too and i think we need to get back to listening i think youre 100 percent right but its very hard to listen when the other side is just yelling nonsense that youre to the point where its impossible to listen to and you know this country was founded on a 2 party system im a big fan of america im a big fan of freedom and i think most americans are thats a bipartisan thing were all very happy to be a part of the best country in the world and we need to get back to that we need to focus on the things that unite us not the things that divide us and ive said this again and again but its very hard to do when youre not listening and youre just yelling. 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