Being caught. One persons case unraveled years of large scale cheating a trove of documents suggesting Kenyas NationalAnti Doping Agency was helping the countrys team get away with it more than a 100 athletes caught red handed no not russia kenya but the punishment wasnt sweeping it was specific individual to each test and case or how wide a call did not institutionalised drug taking another scandal that snowballed olympic skiing it looked like parts pulled from the American Horror story script. So a doping cartel with the now infamous german magic has their ringleader a whole network concocting mechanisms to fool the agency keeping sport clean youd be shocked to know the sport you play all watch is swarming with drug cheats but the focus remains tight on russia those other scandals cost into the media archive and forgotten so reports of institutional conspiracy check and undercover doping Network Check what about implicating one of the giants of sport coat with its name in lights for promoting a group spearheading american Long Distance running with performance enhancing drugs. With the c. E. O. Apparently on top of the medical experiments within the companys brainchild its as close to institutionalize drug taking as it gets in the realms of business but you wouldnt expect anyone to band nike and its billions of dollars from sports now would you because otherwise who is going to tailor team u. S. A. s olympic outfit. I think we have to look at the why the geopolitical context anybody who has studied this in depth this whole. Story im afraid would come to the objective conclusion that double standards are being applied here we are seeing a campaign to delegitimize russia on a number of fronts what people are saying quite rightly in russia and elsewhere is the standards must be applied equally thats what this is about its about standards being applied equally yes when there is evidence of individual athletes who may have consciously taken drugs in an attempt to get advantages over their rivals then any athlete that does that should be subject to the rules no one is disputing that but where this goes way beyond that is this call for a blanket ban and which is unfair because it punishes the innocent as well as the the guilty. A quick reminder of our breaking news for anyone just tuning in the World Antidoping Agency has banned at the russian flag an anthem for Major International tournaments for the next 4 years. Of course the Olympic Games in tokyo in 2020 difference here joins us live now with more on this so charlotte what are the implications of this decision. Well this decision taken by the world antidoping association here in the sun in switzerland will have wide ranging implications jack and those implications are a 4 year ban on russia participating in any major sporting events as you mentioned that that knocks out the olympics in tokyo 2022 Winter Olympics after that and theres also a question now over the world cup in 2022 it will mean that russian officials will be banned from going to those major sporting events to russian officials wont be able to sit on any Major International sporting committees all their boards and it means that the. Russia will also be barred from hosting bidding to host for any Major International championship although we understand that that wont cover the european championships take place next year in the football field and we know that russian athletes will be able to compete with a neutral flags and they will actually be able to compete for the coolie of their home country and as you mentioned that the russian flag on the russian anthem will also be banned from those major sporting events for the next 4 years lets take a listen now to what what they have said in regards to that decision and why they made it. Russia was afforded every opportunity to get its house in order and rejoin the Global Community for the good of its athletes and of the integrity of the sport but it chose instead to continue in its stance of deception and as a result the wada has responded in this. Strongest possible times while protecting the rights of russian athletes that can prove that they were not involved and did not benefit from these fraudulent acts. Well rosado has a 21. 00 day period to be able to appeal against that decision we understand that its going to do that immediately and weve also heard from russia that they say that they complied with all of warders conditions they provided the commission with what they described as being a detailed report they say that report provided evidence that data manipulation was just not possible yet despite that that decision has been taken by water in the sand lets have a listen now to what James Fitzgerald from what i had to say. Who were the g. O. P. Regency approved unanimously the decision of the components of the committee to assert noncompliance on the russian and utopia to see 1st period of 4 years or so with us to come certain consequences these consequences were clearly laid previously in advance of the meeting so they were approved in their entirety all those all those recommendations have been approved by the exco today found a number of strict conditions of of readmission reinstate reinstating russia when the time comes. Well that decision means 4 years in the sporting wilderness for russian athletes is that by and by would it takes effect russia has a say has said that is his complied with all of the things that what i asked my colleague Daniel Hawkins has been looking now at what russia says in regards to those claims that it is compliant with the conditions of what. Russia saw in limbo once again many of them are just taking the 1st steps of their sporting careers when this whole doping saugor began 5 years ago and back then the World Antidoping Agency accused the russia of a huge cover up they slammed risotto the russian antidoping body as being unfit for purpose and things escalated quickly as a good job being scandal after a ban on its paralympic athletes was upheld blocking the team from taking part in the upcoming rio Paralympic Games 15 of the 33. 00 russian Medal Winners were part of a state run doping program the banned the harshest in olympic history hits officials hardest the Russian Olympic Committee is suspended. And. But things seem to blow over moscow denied they had a state run doping program but admitted they had a problem the Russian Olympic Committee was reinstated and even are now reformed for assad or was given the green light subject to strict conditions i mean we actually cooperate with the requirements that they should as ation laid out to russia are fully implemented but there was no happy ending water required full access the russian of tree data related to the field of doping testing after a brief deadline delay this was provided in generate 2019 fast forward to all time and things have gone wrong again this time water accused russia of tampering with the data while the 29 team copy of the Laboratory InformationManagement System elias database matches in many respects the 2015 copy of provided to wander by a whistle blower in 2017 hundreds of presumptive adverse analytical findings that appear in the 2015 copies have been removed from the 2019 copy and the related underlying rule data and p. D. F. Files have been deleted altered or water havent named the mysterious whistleblower but one a key witness at the very center of this doping scandal is going to go to watching coffee before fleeing to the United States where hes now in a Witness Protection Program he was head of the moscow to borrow a tree for 10 years and it turns out his reputation is far from spotless the icy further find that at the heart of the positive drug test coverup is director rod ching cough he not only accepted brutha requested money in order to execute the concealment of positive test results which makes him equally responsible for incidents where coaches or officials extorted athletes even if he was not personally made aware of the extortion no wonder independent russian experts have doubts about the consistency and reliability of the data. Since november 28th 15 when the informant left our country till 2017 when the informants data set was handed over to the Water Intelligence and Investigations Department 6 data bank was at the informants disposal he could do anything to it but they allege the system was accessed hundreds of times from abroad and that rob schenck off who is wanted in russia for abuse of office and drug charges may have been complicit in tampering with the messages in the system independent forensic examination suggests that ruching of support Staff Members to my fisa bill if ski hand me the actual remotely logged into the limbs in moscow on numerous occasions after they had detected abroad so they could have changed the zeros to ones both in their database copy and the one that remained in russia and the monies may need to know what is up but russia cut off access to its database in 2016 while water claims the data was being tampered with as late as january 29th team blaming russia further significant deletions and or alterations were made in december 28th seen and generally 2019 i. E. After the war the exco imposed the day to requirement these activities were concealed by backdating of Computer Systems and data files in an attempt to make it appear that the morse code data had been in their current state since 2015 furthermore the command issued to execute the manipulations deletions and backdating what also deleted in the attempt to avoid detection of what had been done russian experts challenge the pause ability of the investigations findings claiming that such large scale tampering is simply impossible it was like and we cant do it we cannot deny that there were occurrences of copies of files being destroyed and other fast created but there were no deliberate manipulations this is the working condition of the database when every year the operator begins to work with this database to change delete and free memory. There was a complaint to us the decision disk was reset but the entry was exactly 17 seconds it was impossible to completely delete information on the disc during this time so how do things stand now unfortunately very much where they left off. Of lawyers and get another cover up by water to allegations by russian officials questioning the credibility of findings based on the testimony of a controversial informant. Of hundreds of athletes supposed to be innocent until Proven Guilty hangs in the bottoms. For more on the decision from water were joined live in the studio by alex. Now were of course right now waiting for that Hour Press Conference that were hoping will happen in about 15 minutes or so but for now lets talk about how badly this might affect russian sport it will affect russias sport badly and lets no lets make no mistake about it being is a horrible thing for sport and everyone who says that cheetahs should be banned for life from participating in any kind of sport they are absolutely right on the money i mean it is a bad thing for sport but we should take into account the Current Situation where russia is. On the way to be punished for something it had already been punished before so this is basically like you know youre punishing a person for the same crime without actual new developments in the very same story so this is what essentially means and judging by whats been already coming out from behind behind closed doors that the. Executive Board Meeting in. Switzerland it seems to be pretty severe the one thing we have to understand is how far the limitations on Russian Sports will go its almost set in stone judging by what has been said already. This will affect the Olympic Games that participation there not something russia had not experienced before as we remember russia had already been banned from big games not entirely as well performing on the usual flock but believe it or not. With many questions raised about how exactly competing on the flag can rectify a problem of doping as it did just doesnt relate to russia but secondly just everywhere in the world. There are people including the Vice President of the World Antidoping Agency in the how do you say that this is this punishment is too soft it should have been harder lets listen. Im long for that complete and that we have 2 choices and i support to. Speak today and im afraid that if we. Didnt support to see that i would want to. Miss helen is not alone in that kind of sentiment we have the obviously the head of the u. S. Antidoping Agency Travis Tygart who has been one of the most vocal and staunch proponents of banning russia from everywhere from like a complete fool blanket ban on dissipating in the olympics and other major Sports Events the u. K. Antidoping agency same story and you know in my mind this strikes a very bizarre question. Again if we look at the history of sports and im not even talking about the olympians you know the men and women and. 20 centuries ago performing under the. You know the beautiful greek in front of the crowds im talking about even the last 3040 years weve never heard a word dont being until probably like late eightys or Something Like that if you think about any sport will be football or tennis or athletics anything there was no no dropping at all now we have the common spread doping everywhere. Why is that why is that all happening because of a constant need to succeed to succeed to be. Goals and. I wouldnt be naming those names almost exempt from doping checks for various amount of reasons but nevertheless. If we look at who are the powerhouses of you know elevating sport to a new level that is of course the United States with an immense Business Model for developing sports the College Sports basketball soccer football whatever you name it. The u. K. Pretty much told the western world and now you have people from this spot of the world saying russia should be completely banned they do understand better than anyone else wat you know and exile in isolation from sport would mean to the development of sport especially in a country like russia where only just started springing up look at the National Football team which played in the world cup last year it got to the quarterfinals the whole country got infected with football and now imagine you take it all the way sideline people the sideline National Teams and federations and associations for it period of 4 years which in the case of some athletes who are hitting the peak has could mean you know well not necessarily the end of their careers but its definitely a very serious stalemate so the reverberations from this decision which we are about to hear because i can see this press conference is about to start in switzerland they will be huge for russia sports indeed well exactly next time many people who. Its not that big of a deal but as youre saying that spreads out into a country because its such a Business Model youre talking about how there is so much more tourism and whatnot what that does for the economy when the football world cup was just here last year so that really spreads out there is tourism thats going to be impacted the entire economy when theres less people coming to the country since russia cannot host events are there they cant bid to host events in the future i wouldnt go that far yet just because the press conference we are anxiously awaiting right now here in moscow. And was on obviously this will be a starting point for lots of different statements from lots of different federations and associations because not all of them directly out here and to the water code the i. O. C. Is so if were talking about the russians participation in the Olympic Games. Thats almost set in stone at this point as everyone says and feels that russia would be able to would only be able to perform as individual athletes or libyan flag. But when it comes to the football championships the next summer is euros the world cup and. Honestly i seriously doubt that would pull the plug on you a definite not pull the plug maybe considering but. You know knowing those people knowing personally knowing the president a few johnny and you know we spoke to him a couple of times during last years world cup i doubt that he would take a decision like that because they are the ones who understand what you know keeping the teams in sport means and especially when it comes to the teams and the players and the individual athletes who have never violated any doping regulations not a single russian Football Player had been tested positive for doping i mean im talking about the National Team obviously plus we have you know the Champions League final what does this have to do with certain individuals allegedly barging into a board story and you know. Altering doping tests or Something Like that they 1st and foremost and they compete and before. And they play to their strengths and they are not involved in any kind of b. D. S. And things like that and there are so many stories of cleanup its like that who will suffer immensely one of those stories is the story of. The skeleton athlete we spoke to and here is the story lets listen to that. You know a little bit of subject to the deceit the skit its almost like you just get your goal should be a little better than the other. Most of the male over this commuter. The book in this is. The 3rd so that i knew because we didnt get mine you know. The thought of the thought. Process began. Yeah the you know i also know what it would also. Just but others in chile echo 6 dozen of the rival up. There are still you know well at the mission thats the. Still of the bunch. Of that actually and they had a good. Idea discipline that might be somewhat but i do look at the pendulum of support us they will shape the truth into just not a new family but a way to get us knowing us im asleep i mean when i see images then yeah. I could keep a lot of the. Go really washable into yes no. One can do all of that for more call in the office and yeah people still spinning my i was at the cook if you will just. Put facebook tell me on the porch next. Still sitting near. Manuf and i eat. So this is the story of an acting out who is struggling with the shock waves in the reparations off whats about to happen. In switzerland but speak. To the legends of the game we spoke to the boxing legend the unique athlete who won 4 world titles and 4 different divisions roy jones jr he works with the kids in russia now and he he said one very specific phrase that you know the blanket ban on Russian Sports and participation in Major International events would kill a lot of dreams so thats what its all about its its killing a lot of dreams. All right now we are going to go live now to rivera editorial director at reactionary times dot com for more live comment on this now what has Vice President has said that the punishment should actually be harsher still do you agree. No absolutely not i mean i think that all you know russia did you know that they did perhaps make you know obviously a mistake a point to go. To their Antidoping Program and you know but i think that the problems are limited and isolated to him alone i mean i think a lot of the points that are being made right now were valid that you know the majority im sure if they tested all these russian athletes you know the majority of them would test clean theres no little comprehensive or indisputable evidence of a state sponsored doping program and it is its killing dreams and theres a lot of important events there the economic implications of the 4th revenue being lost you know for russia for a vent you know that theyre not going to be able to host any longer this in a lot of these athletes is mr able to walk youre being taught to run youre being taught to be youre being talked all these other things and you know there are unfortunate by standards as you know this kind of unfolds and you know their lives in a lot of cases you know their identity as human beings i mean these are people that have been training since they were children to become athletes their lives are destroyed you know as a result of you know basically speculation because a lot. Well you know i think theyre claiming isnt necessarily you know rock solid beyond a reasonable doubt proven here with the information that we have at this point but even if you know all the allegations are completely true if there is a stonewall proof of what the officials at the most called a doping laboratory did if that is all correct and true fair enough it warrants a serious punishment that warrants a Serious Investigation and warrants possibly a big changes for the Russian Sports system possibly even sackings and resignations fair enough but how does removing a countrys flag and the anthem and basically stripping the athletes from the possibility of representing the nation probably with with a flag on their chest how does that help in the war on doping it absolutely does it i mean this is just more of a symbolic punishment you know i guess its more or less being done right now to deter other countries from possibly engaging in any sort of you know insidious sort of activity but its not going to do anything i think you know ultimately you know you know to to russia to you know to actually to punish them in this manner i think is unfair to punish the athlete you know at this point should there be comprehensive changes absolutely you know but they can do other things i mean they can put these russian athletes under increased scrutiny they can perhaps test them work you know so they can prove the fact that theyre completely clean but good in the allow them to compete allow them to compete under their you know their nations banner i dont really see why that should be an issue in this matter. Weve also heard from a number of russian athletes saying that they do think that politics are a part of this decision if not all of that how far do you think that argument is. I think it is i mean i think that theres always you know people are always going to go ahead and take advantage once there is a situation that presented itself if theyve got axes to grind you know obviously i mean you know at this point should there be some changes it was in the Russian National exist im sure if you know but but to go ahead and inflict this sort of a punishment with good into the future after these changes are made after corrections or in good faith you know mediated and you know and the team will do operating under a different system in there in total compliance and even extra compliant may be initially if they want to put them on a probationary period but to go ahead and inflict that level of damage either economically so that leaves themselves you know to kind of shame the country to not allowed flag to be flown you know during these International Events and you know i think thats probably going a little too far at this point jackie asked me here a couple of times whats the likelihood of russia waiting an appeal that its almost guaranteed to make now to the c. I. S. To the court of arbitration for sports. And i cannot really answer that question because it seems very very big whether russia actually stands on the chance of winning that appeal what do you make of a do you think that if russia goes to the c. S. And i mean it will go to the c. I. S. It has 21. 00 days to appeal do you think theres any chance that people at the c. I. S. Would be i wouldnt say reasonable enough but they would just say ok maybe thats a little too harsh coming from the world and i dont think agency and maybe russia should participate on their own flag sorry i know they wanted to answer that but were actually going to have to cross live to where the water press conference that weve been waiting for is about to start so lets cross over live and see what they do have to say ok we will also have an opportunity to do this at the end as well if thats easier we might just get going there. Ok. Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen you have seen the media. Release that was issued by earlier on today in relation to the decision taken today in those on by the executive committee to approve to unanimously approve the recommendation by the Compliance Review Committee in relation to the compliance procedure against usada. We would be very happy to answer your questions here at this press conference or just introduce you to my immediate right is the chair of the Compliance Review CommitteeJonathan Taylor q. C. Then is the director general of uniquely in the middle is what is president so craig reedy and to his right is the what a president elect who will start his term of office on the 1st of january witold banka and then at the end we have the director of our intelligence and Investigations Department going to younger. So you dont hear from me im sure so ill pass straight over to the president secretary does to say craig really to say a few words thank you thank you james good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Today the World Antidoping Agencys executive committee unanimously endorsed the recommendation made by the independent compline sure View Committee the russian Anti Doping Agency be declared noncompliant plus old and keep hoping code for a paedo of 4 years the c. R. C. A recommendation which was derived from the reports of intelligence and investigations and external for n. Z. Gauge could include the moscow doctor was intentionally altered prior to one file it was being forensic lee copied by wired up in january 2800 therefore the year aside on a reinstatement condition shortage where a good week agreed by the wider executive committee in september 28th were not fulfilled in that