Power Better Cities more efficiency these. Cities which used to provide Better Service to its citizens having these 2 events. Creating a brand its also another policy which makes us strong in order to. Attract companies to attract talent to get on here all of the strive. To become a digital hub to become the the focus of activity in the in solid europe takes place against the background of huge constitutional controversy of trouble. In catalonia doesnt that Political Uncertainty doesnt inhibit economic plans of the impacts that you can see in the economy of the this agree it political controversy i think we see and certainly the around the world weve seen. In the u. K. Weve seen in perrys all these demonstrations of the yellow shirts in the streets i think that thats not the problem the problem is whether we are serialized or not a Civilized Society and i think that. Weve shown the world that we have our own obviously controversies with the spanish authorities. Trying to solve these controversies democratically in a civil way in a way the people from the Business World understands that weve seen how we. As the 2nd most. Cd that is in europe after london according to mr which is a European Index tourism has been growing which is also something which people when they see riots all over the world. You know this isnt as according as well on what they see on the t. V. But recently the bill indications that this spanish a poorly a clamp down on the social media intercepting these messages how concerned are you as digital minister of such a draconian clamp dont make me introduce or have to say im very concerned but not for the catalan citizens but for the whole Spanish Citizens this is a practice which is more similar to turkey china and china than to what it should be a european standard i havent seen these in any european country so we are really concerned that the spanish authorities for trying to stop a Democratic Movement which is us using the social media as a tool as everyone else the world the european regulations the competition regularly since the freedom of expression. In strasbourg would be all the raider spanish 10 or can the spanish say security reasons an exception to the normal standards actually the one. The spiny state he wants to do is that they they say that according to. Not only National Security reasons but according to public all of the reasons or do even for economic interests they will be able to shut down the internet in any part of spain. Without actually sell all of that just because the government will say so and its just technically possible do you better place than most politicians to to do technically could you you black cat and warning are from the digital expression well we will see whether they do it weve seen the war how are they doing it in turkey and other parts of the world we think that this is something which should not be accepted by european laws actually we want to appeal against these the Spanish Government has announced regarding 2 very very important issues one is the freedom of the internet so that the access freedom of access to internet which is something you cannot just. As you want it should be regulated. And should be respectful of the other principle which is the freedom of speech how do you see the cattle and crisis coming to a resolution and most observers cant believe that it can continue indefinitely in a process of still meet with a majority opinion for independence in cattle and a majority opinion in the rest of spain against cathal ambitions how can you see a resolution of the crisis and can there be any resolution of the freedom of the the imprisoned independence supporters who symbol you carry in your lapel a previous minister is in jail just for but im all doing and making it possible for the people of other referendum where we. We think that this is a process which has been for almost 10 years right now. So the demand of the catalan people for the beginning for more autonomy. And independence processes that again was just a reminder of fiscal follow it efore definitely more have more autonomy in say spain was actually. Pulled down by the Spanish Government. With its Constitutional Court to say no to a state to a new set of settling which had been voted by the Catalan Parliament had been voted by the spanish. Parliament where the spanish only rejects of the whole spaniards and it was approved by referendum in the lonny that law that new constitution which was not an independent constitution was ruled out by the Spanish National court after that people started voting for independence parties and now we have a majority in the park at the bottom and for independence and weve had a majority for some years and i think that will continue to show and it will do to grow if the Spanish Government continues on its way of not wanting to sit down and negotiate not wanting to sit down and having a dialogue we had an awful abuse but we won elections the coalition of parties not just the rule the coalition of parties who spoke. The spanish elections in catalonia you had a referendum on all the elections for many years and you still are no nearer independent so what can be the resolution. To the cattle controversy we believe that the only solution to this is this has to be a political solution based on dialogue and that means that. Institutionally spain is having for the last 45 years a. Lot of innocent realty economically and internationally. If i have 4 elections they have approved only one budget in the last 4 years eve they dont think that without solving the problem they go there one half the stuff. Is that not understanding how important is the lonia in the way. Of 4 for spain to understanding what the future friend has to be negotiating a solution maybe you can negotiate a solution for the next 1015 years the only way to solve that is through dialogue through negotiation jordi i can bring everybody to the negotiation table but what i can do is present it will for the average salman quick for for appearing on the sure know you know the drill from scotland whiskey scottish. In the quick and then you you pass and everybody returns of negotiations thank you very much minister thank you so much. Join us after the break when alex speaks with International Commentator les castro. Thats geysers financial survival you know they say that the girl was going to take it easy this is the central plank support diet good news a good problem right now so you stopped. We still got use it to tie a duty to clean. Your own records or cook if you screwed up you. Could want to think about you think about it. Conveyed. To them as though. You didnt have them dirty too much haha good to be a good tone cook on the author to get those people to feel when im in the good children tell them with all that you can fire one next time you dont come. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation or community. Are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. For a mate in the shallowness. Welcome back the cattle an independent struggle has had a huge cut in c. In the social media world white one of the reasons for the informed reaction has been the rapid translations into english and the informed comments offered a marketable american list castile who in her time in catalonia has embraced the Independence Movement alex caught up with lace and barcelona. The list castro and the medical and. Company what brought them to cross the atlantic a number used to do to experience cattle on life you know the 1st day that i walked into this office where i was looking for a job they found out that i spoke a tiny bit of couple and not very well and they never spoke to me in spanish again and it was it was a wonder they were so appreciative so welcoming and that speaking called on opened many doors for me people wanted to take me to their homes for parties to talk to me they took me on vacation they they treated me as one more person in the family and i felt like my efforts at speaking caught on in the 1980 s. As an american was one of the pieces that made that happen it was that was a special thing there werent very many people who did that and that was surprising because in the United States you know when you go to the United States you have to speak english everybody does and nobody thinks all that so wonderful you speak english you just take it for granted and here thats not the case so i saw this give you a fairly unique insight religious say because youre an american coming to class a little bit youre learning to speak the language so it gives you a very good Vantage Point to assess the question as cattleya nation and this ticks off the nation of catalonia but thats a really interesting question and its something that i noticed right from the beginning i had travelled a fair bit in spain and i had been to madrid i had been the elysee i had been on the most here and other places and there were a number of things that were different here theres a feeling about it there is a feeling of identity is the interconnectedness of a people to be the big of a new list because you went back to about a could pursue this highly successful career in the web design and computer. Bucket isolation of the way. And then returned. To catalunya. 2011 so its quite interesting you. Say there will be someone with knowledge of castle or other many people of different nationalities i think you get the most severely candidate when you strip for the National Assembly is that normal a lot of these people from other countries are part of this grassroots National Movement somebody like me who is an american ive lived practically all my life the United States except for 10 or 15 years here can also become on and be considered for the National Board of the cop on National Assembly which is a its a lobby its not a political its not its not an elected Office Volunteer group. Is elected who should go it was a little bit less true but its what i mean its not you know its not an elected as a government of government yes a governmental body but in terms of your own contribution to the nationalists able to this Grassroots Movement and clearly the your expertise. In online masters has not been a big influence in the this burgeoning growth of the castle and Independence Movement the fact that so much more this possible in terms of causes for the with the democratization that comes with the online process is that we same people can absolutely absolutely i mean it wouldnt we wouldnt be here if it werent for twitter and facebook and particularly whats up lately and telegram and signal and whatever else you know is coming now but youve also been a very articulate voice for the cattle and Independence Movement in the in the media little white again you have an advantage because you know as a native english speaker youre able to translate from the cattle and then and give a view as to fight your lameduck at this are also helpful in terms of being able to spot your mesh and the cattle on Movement Still gives a set. The degree of. You know i think its theres good things about em bad things about it i mean the fact is im not called on im not from here and so sometimes it feels like its not my place on the other hand i speak up on very well and spanish and ive lived here for a very long time and so ive seen all of things not all of them but many of the things that make up this process and its complicated you know ive met practically all the people who are not practical ive met all the people who are in jail right now i know them personally. And i have other american friends who say you know i never met the president of the United States but ive met all of the current all of the president s how is that is it that couple in society is more accessible is that because were americans somehow you know that makes us you know special. Im not im not exactly sure. What i do know is that. That this Community Aspect of couple on the. Importance that people put on talking and on debating and on deciding what they want to do and im listening to people thats very special and thats something that that should be celebrated and taken advantage of the personal passion of tragedy for the named people involved of course the history teaches a great rallying call for the for the castle National Movement. Very seldom in history. Substantial same to politicians to the benefit of those who are imposing the sentences the general rule is to the benefit of those. Incarcerated who should impression where do you think this is going to take the national mood. Theres many things about it like you say its a tragedy when i think about those people in jail theyre just regular. People you know theyre politicians who had a mandate to have a referendum and the fact that theyve been jailed for sedition by a lie and an overthrow of the government its just ridiculous and it really threw all across the violence wasnt established in the in the charges i suppose its quite interesting because if you look across the marcus is there and sedition the something that has to be these be associated with violence the very very few countries apart from spain sedition as an offensive self and so a lot of mexico obviously freedom of speech would be pretty preeminent to work over all things and so the they say that one of the reasons that they originally accused them of rebellion is so that they could keep them in jail because with just charging them with addition they couldnt and so the rebellion charges which involve. According to the spanish penal code you know violence real violence with weapons and its stipulated in the statutes could be used to keep them in jail until they were convicted the statute describes sedition as any kind of resistance using force or pressure against the government that kind of definition were all seditious all of us i certainly am because i resist with pressure the things that my government does all the time there are plenty of things that i disagree with so if people are in jail for 9 years for that that means that there is no democracy in spain because spain will simply. Apply that definition of sedition to anybody that it doesnt like and thats a step to shame and thats a thats a travesty but that is not the point when you have this contrast between popular opinion democratic opinion political opinion in general read by the podium should have these sentences the question is still will merely speaking go against a state of the government can possibly be considered a crime in the book you see all thats from the one hand the government so you look at the institutions of European Union have been pretty cool towards catalonia. Yeah and that kind of gives you an idea about if theyre just cool about democracy because they certainly been up in arms about hong kong about democratic supporters there theyre complain a lot about democracy in venezuela in any other place besides couple why because spain has a lot of influence within the European Union and they dont want to be on spains bad side but if castle in democracy is inconvenient what does that tell you about the prospects for success of in. Popular support traditionally it into success against institutional. Well theres a thing about people in general i think all around the world and its that theyre not really willing to live. Without freedom were sort of waiting to see what was going to happen with this trial you know were the judges really going to be honest and impartial and when they handed down 10 year sentences for demonstrating or for holding a referendum we realize that there was no justice in the Spanish Court for couple idea but after these sentences it becomes so much more basic we want independence because we want to live in a democracy and want to be able to have freedom of expression freedom of Assembly Freedom of political. You know manifestation and that is not allowed today jordan who shot at the door of the sign says were civil leaders i have been in jail for the last 2 years and will be in jail for 7 years or more because they participated in a nonviolent demonstration i was there i saw it it did nothing except tell people to go home and they are now jailed for sedition i would just say that. The right to speech. Freedom of Assembly Freedom to let you go to government because independence is that good to prepare you to independence or to take a tea tax or. To to move things that might delay what should a pretty well thats a good question what will it take to get spain to sit down and talk which is the demand of most people and i dont know you know spain is very very stubborn about couple on the 01 because it doesnt want to lose 20 percent of its g. D. P. And 2 because of pride theres definitely an emotional element involved spain cannot stand the idea that cough dont want to be part of spain anymore really its hurtful understand that its a little bit like a divorce and thats not. But thats not thats not reason to impel them to stay well would normally violently thoughts be held to the circumstances we have but. I think so yeah anybody who took place took part in that october 1st referendum knows the strength of that strategy and the strength also of the Common People working together to make that happen you know thats what we will do again we will join together to insist that we have a right to be heard we have a right to speak to choose our own future and that future for you live in catalonia of america was supposed to future for you so right now its income pawning absolutely i live in the middle of barcelona with my 3 children and. I love it here you know people call me called on which i think is a great compliment i feel very much at home here i feel a part of this community thats thats you know a wonderful thing for. Anyone perhaps a lafayette to the castle revel that is quite a convoy hit thank you but to to do my part to toast to future life is that you will always solve and quit the. Loving cup of scots girl if you only score should love a bombed out i wouldnt dream of getting past that word your catalan for thank you very much well thats a treat i love with you. In the weeks following the spanish election that is still no sign of a breakthrough in the standoff between catalonia unlimited government with the Catalan Independence party is gaining ground and the extreme right wing making political progress in the rest of spain socialist Prime Minister sanchez may feel that he has little room to maneuver in changing tack from his hard like towards catalan ambitions and with regards to Political Prisoners however this became the. News that the largest Independence Party the e. R. C. Are suggesting that they might be open to supporting a sanchez government in the cortez if the Prime Minister is open to discussions on independence we will watch developments with interest certainly there seems to be few more attractive options to real dialogue it is difficult to see how continuing use of the spanish judicial system is going to quieten rather further inflame independent sentiment and it is difficult to prosecute the feelings of the people with any hope of success meanwhile the Independence Movement has its own Strategic Issues to grasp can there be this independence parties continue to present a united front and avoid major splits on strategy and above all can the cause hold on to its Price International reputation as a Nonviolent Movement in the face of heightened political atmosphere of 9 marchers to the cause languishing in jail in this regard if indeed the spanish authorities really have in mind a social media content of the kind only previously deployed in turkey in china it seems unlikely to break the catalan spirit however it would subjects lead to further international reputational damage were reporting any development in next Weeks Program join us next time when alex interview some of the people rallying to the catalan cause we take the temperature on the streets as catalonia debates its strategy for nationhood but until then for me alex and all of the show its goodbye for now and we hope to see you all next week. 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