We went to this demonstration because we wanted to defend womens rights the violence against women the protests raises questions and demonstration with the slogan all of us turns out not to be for all of us at all. Theyre great to have you with us this is our internet. Generally and stoltenberg has met with in paris after the french president caused a stir in the alliance by calling a brain that however stressed what he claimed would natos achievements. As the latest. Well indeed the 2 were emanating tension they were trying to keep a straight face with a less than a perfect game again even as they were delivering their statements Standing Shoulder to shoulder to each other. Obvious that one is way more optimistic about nato then the other have a listen nato is a Strong Alliance but more than that we are adopting it we are agile and we are active so we are responding to a changing world and the reason why nato is the most successful launch of these 3 is that we have been able to change in the world is changing and thats exactly what we have done over the last years thats exactly what we are doing to see questions i asked our open questions that we have not resolved peace in europe i never position the relationship with russia in turkey that who is the enemy so until we resolve these issues let us not negotiate whether kostas sharing a burden sharing is there sort of that maybe we need a wake up calls of the of the this is effectively the french president refusing to retract his previous comments about nato experiencing brain death this is the exact quote by him from a couple of weeks ago and that was not the only instance one of the 21 the secretary general of nato and the french president werent exactly seeing eye its why for instance young stoltenberg has retreated repeated leave that while the alliance the allies in the block do have some issues that they do have their differences he reiterated that well they agree on the fundamental issues but nato is relationship with russia is one of those fundamental issues and thats where emanuel mccrone again in the 1st of all those members of the bloc refused to have or any sort of dialogue with russia who refused to see russia as a partner this is where emanuel mccrone called on a more open and a more friendly stance on a more friendly relationship with moscow that. We want to loose it robust and demanding dialogue with russia with neither naivety nor complacency our alliance is based on a certain common history and geography the nato secretary general he also emphasized how he believes that europe. Is effectively defenseless without nato that europe cannot defend itself well i talked to some of the french citizens and my colleagues in berlin did the same to find out whether or not they realize how crucial nato is for you to be honest. We dont really know whether they do or. Was afraid of i became a peacemaker last founder founded is now known and then to the Design Movement to certain countries. You know i dont know what all achievements. I think it was necessary after the ball. Nowadays. Its not important anymore i think basically. No war the last. 60 years 70 years i dont know to be honest i dont know since the eastern part of the us was always down i dont know she needed the nato was historically beneficial for us but of course we have a completely different situation now i should say such Public Opinion goes in stark contrast with for instance what Angela Merkel the german chancellor had to say the other day when she said that she believed that nato now is as important if not more important than it was during the cold war and by the way she was also among those who criticized mccrone for his brain comments so clearly today young stoltenberg anemone emmanuel mccrone didnt come any closer to resolving their differences but next week nato is celebrating its 70th birthday so well see for that parties overshadowed by all the difference is that this big family has. All the spanish will be taken off air in bolivia at the start of next month thats according to the countrys top private t. V. Operator comes amid a violent political crisis in the country during which an unelected government assumed power and said that by the right wing senator janine and is g. s accused of suppressing the meda as well as supporters of ousted president evo morales steve Russian Foreign ministry has expressed its concern. Acknowledging yeah i dont think its a coincidence that r. T. Has been taken off air in bolivia its a consequence of the political course there was declared in the country but no reason was given for the decision with no real facts presented ourselves we were notified prior to the decision and. While no specific reasons were provided and the bolivian team. We operate our coat which pretty much excluded our t. From their list of channels starting from december the 2nd they explained it through some kind of order from what they called the companys administration this is a decision taken by the companys administration which talks to us with shutting down the channels broadcast is a private t. V. Provider and the leader and believe he is cable t. V. Market we do have to remember that a similar move has been made by ecuadors public t. V. Operator almost 2 weeks ago they cut off our t. V. Spanish as well and moscow demanded explanation for that and still hasnt got it from quito now whats very important here is that the interim leader janine yes was never elected in any kind of vote she basically proclaimed herself the interim president of the country when its had to step down when the Vice President presided and when the head of senate resigned now she says that at the moment her goal is to make sure that new elections are held in the country. That this is the law we believe in we have arrived at this day with the satisfaction of fulfilling that duty because this is the Main Objective of my government new elections will happen in the shortest time possible but it seems that so far her focus was absolutely different 1st of all she was accused of turning a blind eye on a violent crackdown on the indigenous protesters who are mostly in support of the former leader. But also it seems that all d shes been up to is trying to make as many u. Turns asked possible in the countrys Foreign Policy she appointed a new ambassador to the u. S. For the 1st time in more than a decade and also severed diplomatic ties with bolivia. Traditional allies especially under. That is with cuba and but as well all diplomatic personnel representing major divinest while an embassy and believe you will be allowed to leave the country for having interfered in internal state affairs i do have to say though that eventually interim president on is pushed through a legislature in which allowed a new general election in bolivia although this is something thats going to be boycotted by almost a half of the population the supporters of this say that they are not going to take part in this vote so what kind of general election is that gonna be with almost 50 percent of bolivians deciding not to take part. In this step down earlier in the after weeks of violence triggered by claims that his election victory and being rigged he fled to mexico with many of his Party Members former leader described events that as a coup of. Who resigned as vice pres the minutes after all this is that spoke to us about the people now in charge and their crackdown on the media. You lost me i would not release that the socalled Communications Minister warned journalists to be careful because shes going to take down the names of those who step out of line how can you say that to journalists what kind of constitutional freedom can we talk about if they are preventing journalists from doing their jobs and sharing information and telling the truth because she no longer has free speech or a free press. But there was also look at this insidious craze this after 11 years of the u. S. Distancing itself from libya the 1st thing that the q. Leaders did was to believe me and to make overtures to the American Government we need to have relations with every part of the world which we also have to build relations based on Mutual Respect equality and nonintervention in our internal affairs i hope the believe is successful economic policies will not be revamped at the whim of a foreign power that would without a doubt cause an economic disaster. The only thing they have achieved is to create terror in the country 32 people have been killed and there was no investigation no one has been held to account or jailed leaders are hounded they are either in exile in hiding mass media are gagged or threatened with accusations of subversive activity or sedition its difficult to engage in peaceful resistance against this regime its hard to say how long this reign of terror will last and how long people will tolerate it it depends on how events unfold over the next few weeks. A convicted murderer in germany has won the right to have his name and other details he raised from web searches under the e. U. s right to be forgotten man was convicted of a double murder back in 1902 and served 20 years in jail the case and his name was widely reported in the media he claims his right to privacy an ability to develop his personality have now been infringed germanys highest court agreed that giants such as google will now have to remove the mans details from search results. The law states that any european citizen can ask for links containing Sensitive Information to be erased from Search Engines since being enacted in 2014 google says more than 800000 requests have been made to remove more than 3000000 web pages. Ok lets discuss this in more depth and live on the line now by Stephen Morris is the National Secretary of the English Democrats Party and also by cody is a former prisoner now a Prison Reform campaign a very good evening to you both and thanks for coming on stephen 1st of all to you. This gentleman in germany does he not have the right to start life over yes he committed a heinous crime he served his time to people not deserve a 2nd chance. Well they certainly deserve a 2nd chance but what they dont deserve is to have the historic crimes of theyve gone wiped off that no one can find them this is clearly an attack on free speech freedom of information and its International Censorship because the rights of those that he killed the families their victims should never be forgotten but what he wants to do he wants his past to be completely wiped clean yes all of the really rebuilt asian defenders act and all the items they do deserve a 2nd chance but what weve got here is a complete trying to raise Historic Events and they should never happen because once you start with this kind of thing where does it stop obviously in the u. K. Do we start in everything to do with you in the carbon and hes linked to the. Do you just wipe that out for people so fools know it quite clearly they do deserve a 2nd chance but once you start to we raise Historic Events then you are. Right in what historic what history was his crimes should never be forgotten the victims should never be forgotten and the families are still suffering he wants to get on with his life he wants to forget about it but the families can never forget about it. Cody what do you think about that and youve been in a situation yourself where youve broken the law and how hard it made life for you afterwards the fact the details of that might still be around for people to view on the internet what do you think of it. Well its actually stopped me from gaining meaningful employment since leaving prison 2 years ago and like you say when youve served your debt to society and you released back into society and you try to become a productive member of society why should your criminal past which you paid your dues right they should not infringe you from because like say with time and age comes maturity and a lot of these i myself have used the right to be forgotten because the end of the day these these links to the stories that are no longer relevant all reflective of my personality and my demeanor and the way that i carry myself now because i am now a reform man. I dont see what the problem is that this person should have a slate white clean on the fact that the still showing up hes going to be discriminated against or it could push him back into a life of crime if hes not given the right to leave his old life by law behind and carry on with his life to go forward. Steven cody is making the point here that he you know he personally experienced how difficult it is to move on when theres that reminder there constantly should we be distinguishing between the different types of crimes or perhaps more serious ones that theres less opportunity to be forgotten. Well quite clearly with the one in germany committed to murders that these should never be forgotten like you said the families will never forget it. There theyve been software in all the time he may have served his time he may want to get on with his life then families cannot they are permanently scarred they have a permanent reminder and if there is suffering then why should he be allowed to start his life completely over and actually ive even advocated or let me get let me make a little bit more in that what if this was someone who stole the theft that they have a chance of still being in a contributing member of society but every time a future employer looks online theyre going to find that that news report that stops them getting a 2nd chance. To have a 2nd chance im all for giving a 2nd chance and like say the rehabilitation of offenders should should help but sometimes its down to employers having confidence in the judicial system to corrective behavior for people to come out a changed person and sometimes you need confidence in businesses to give a chance but the problem is when you start to hide your Historic Events then that adds another dimension to the people will look into employer if hes trying to hide this what else is he trying to hide why dont you be open about it and just say look yes this was in this was 30 years ago im no longer that person completely changed fine but when you start to hide them events to me that would cause even more problems because youre trying to hide your past trying to hide. Code you would think about that people people who committed crimes they should pay the consequences and that says the way it is if you know if you cant handle it you shouldnt do the con in the 1st place wouldnt people want to know if they have a murderer or a paedophile living in the street. No because the thing is theyve been victimized to be discriminated against at the end of the day if you come away from your criminality and youre a reformed individual right you should have every opportunity if you go for a job you still got you still got to give your previous convictions which will discriminate against you anyway but the thing is theres no point releasing the individual from prison if hes still going to die if you still want to live in the past and keep throwing out the past the past theyve committed the crime of prison theyve served the time the coming out the its no longer reflective of them the reformed individual they should be able to pass on and wipe the slate clean they serve the day if they go for jobs theyve got to disclose yes i was convicted of this spent on spent convictions and you get discriminated against anyway by not giving them or by Wider Society and employers not giving these individuals being in prison the charges a 2nd chance you could form and you could force them back into criminality and then they go underground and that causes more more problems for society and prison creates more problems for society than its ever ever conquered anyway and this is why i wont be looking to the man on the thats on the line with us thats why i will not vote liberal democrats. Even a just sort of thing that democrats. Just dont think about the personal experience of record correctly when i did jury duty. We were not given the information that the actual person who was on trial did have a criminal record so the legal view point was that you shouldnt be allowed to know someones previous convictions because you would discriminate against them its human nature so therefore the law says you should be allowed to to no previous offenses because you its human nature to discriminate so if the law thinks that should we just accept that and realize that the internet is going to be a permanent discrimination against people if that information is kept online no its not its not permanent discrimination what youre looking at is the way the law is youve got to look at individual case i deal with Employment Law and employment tribunal cases are a lot and you have to look at the initial incident you cant take previous items into account and thats what the law looks at the difference here is somebody wants a completely historic past they want to move on victims cant move on the families cant move on they want to hide their past why dont we just say that is my past behind have moved on and on the rehabilitation offenders then given the opportunities to show that they have moved on but to me if somethings had in their past the now we want to what are they going to hide from me as an employer you know if i know exactly what that person used to be like look at what the child to be now as an upstanding citizen and give them that chance or if theyre going to lie about their past and show how did it to me thats even worse because that shows the cant be trusted Going Forward could you what do you think of that argument steve makes that end of the wedge basically that they are going to let issues lying about their past trying to whitewash they story. Well after them m. P. Should be in prison already but anyway going back to subject matter right. Wants to not its not about lying to individuals or if you go if you go for employment it will say what are your previous convictions and then if you disclose your without an obligation to go it alone then it will come to light on allegations right well theres a thing in the theres a thing in the u. K. A call back in the box right where people say people are trying to outlaw and in the box and its about disclosing criminal convictions both spend and spend and like i said its not about hiding the persons not trying to hide from the past the trying to stop being discriminated against for their past deeds which in been in prison it will have engaged with the offender Management Unit will of dont cost says hes obviously showed his demeanor has changed over the years hes become a reformed individual is left prison and he wants to start fresh and like i said c. E. O. The past is exactly the past his crime should never be forgotten and when it comes to victims if it was down to victims no one had ever be released from prison because victims know no sentences ever high enough whether that be murder or whether that be a low level crime so this is the thing that the fact is it should be a whats the point in these individuals leaving prison changing their criminal behavior so why does society and employers are going to show them you might as well just go back to crime and keep doing what theyre doing what this person trying to better themselves the trying not trying to raise the past the trying to be given a fair shot the way of thinking you know what clearing the policies when you know they were not the ways of the internet did you want to raise the past you can change names always on the internet could just change a name if they want to eventually get into the right let me quote by your right you want to keep repeating yourself but the fact is you can change your name and you can just do exactly that anywhere. I change my name for example when i go down is called you can have a go at the opera not with. You know if you if you actually go for jobs where they need to do certain disclosures because of the certain criteria you have to say if you change your name or you know by other names so that they can do a proper search so that they have to do that now the issue here is you want. Everyone off the internet to deal with the crime on the i do you want to know you just go where you know events. You just alluded to yourself if you change a name like i just alluded to thats the way of circle navigating but like i explained in the early part right even if you change the name it still come up on disclosure right so like i said you cant get away from your percentage of your just close if you dont disclose it anyway if of course whether i work there and i dont know that ive actually dealt with a case ive actually dealt with a case of somebody who was in pretty prison who did change the name it went through a job where they didnt need to disclosure but what happened was somebody that the previously knew from the previous role spotted them reported them to the employer and the employee dismissed im acutely dealing with that case now so these things do happen so when you are now that person did have. Did it wasnt titled to move forward however it never did nowadays past he didnt want to why peace passed out it was always there for people to check up on but what you want is for it to be completely what you want to erase the past and thats the problem. The victims cant be of no right the talk about the victims families have to be remembered. What you saying is you want it completely eradicated you have never happened well so no take responsibility and then move forward and let the let the prisoner says make their decision but if you came to me and youd hit your past the way id be say no where else are you hiding. Out in seconds each night just to wrap it up. Yet serve you serve you that society you released as a new person with a with hopefully with a new mindset you should be given every opportunity so that your past is stricken from the record like ability to go in for jobs it will always come up so theres no getting away from it just about. Being a new person produce produce projection yourself in a different lie and try to become a productive member of society and steven final word from you. Well this is a complete censorship in syria and trying to eradicate Historic Events what it is is they want the criminal who serve the time he wants to move forward but to absolutely wipe Historic Events from information so that no one can check up on them however the families are still living that that the criminal may have served the time they may want to move on the families cant move on its still there and they should never try and wipe it because if the try and hide their past what else are they going to try to hide in the future journal i just want to thank you 1st of all for taking part time for contributing to think of a very vibrant conversation on whats a very important subjects that is going to affect a lot of people in the future no doubt many thanks Stephen Morris chair of the English Democrats Party coalition a former prisoner now a Prison Reform campaigner thank you gentlemen. And to other news now on a rally to raise awareness of violence against women in paris on saturday has been marred by clashes. Ah ha i. Was c. Several women from a feminist group called nemesis collective joint im actually holding the placards said 52 percent of rapists are immigrants and the figure taken from a 24 to. The movement criticizes lax migration policies in france saying that women suffer as a result some of the other demonstrators didnt like their presence so its hard to boo them in terms of the placards. A video from the march went viral and that led to a wave of online threats against the nemesis activists they were branded fascists and a focus on racists the group later released a statement saying that other feminists want to silence them we talked to one of the no mrs activists who asked us to distort her voice to hide her identity. I dont. Rerun after the demonstration with our plaque cards and started to protest and within minutes other demonstrators saw a massive jump lockharts it escalated quickly we wanted to put our message cross in a calm way now we have freed we know that our message is truthful but there are people who are aggressive to us the violence against women the protest raises questions and demonstration with the slogan all of us turns out not to be for all of us at all since we have been treated like fascists im asking what is the basis for this do this women know the definition of fascism i am angry about this attack being treated in that way we are feminist movement we denounce any kind of violence people speak about freedom of expression but do they mean it we have questions to women who pretend to be feminists who say that they represent other women ok join us for more news at the top of the hour. The u. S. House of representatives has wrapped up its 1st round of impeachment hearings against President Trump but its not done with trying to oust him with new impeachment proceedings ahead is impeachment of viable strategy against the president. Young elephants have come to us off the. Myspace lee brutal pledging incidents because sadly the baby elephants often do see their mother as need be killed but also be caught up unfortunately. I do believe and laugh and smile i see it in the salons the home they should express untamed says. You know one of the things we talk about on the show how if you read the Financial Press about the latest scandal its just a new name for a recurring scandal like theres only 3 or 4 ways you can rip people off as it changes is the name they call to rip people off. Welcome to the alex salmond show where we continue our series. On where theyre catalonia in the aftermath of the spanish elections is the battle for the future going to move from on the streets to online alex reports from barcelona where hes been interviewing government ministers and International Observers on the future of the rebellious province but 1st to your tweets and emails on recent issues and must make sure our panel of political pundits and fun white assessing the prospects of all the parties competing for seats in the u. K. General election speaking about a pundit show morning says another excellent show alex always informative and relevant dickey says the only sensible thing thats worth viewing well thank you dickie cast says the pundits dont always get it right but theyre willing to admit it yes they are i always enjoy listening to this where she is sort of fishing well then alex interest me enough or to reprogram arthur says i a grown up civilized discussion among thoughtful political observers fabulous issue anti linda says i thoroughly enjoyed it the pundits and i thought very good now when an ardent tory says the tory lies need to stop then you know boris is in trouble then speaking about her 1st programme in the cities on catalonia caroline says the dignity and courage of laura and chill and most incredibly the lack of bitterness were so moving i Hope International pressure so far milk toast coming brought to bear on spain and that all 9 are released so the families are very united thank you caroline now weve asked the new Spanish Government for a response to our 1st programme on catalonia featuring the spices of 2 of the independence campaigner sentenced to long terms of imprisonment but to get to deceive a response when they reply we will cover their comment or their interview however reuters reported last month that spin socialist leader Pedro Sanchez was stepping up efforts to control separatist groups and Party Activities on the